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On March 11 2019 12:16 Tictock wrote:I'm back to the Catch-up Post! Have fun. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:37 Onegu wrote:On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom!
Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town!
Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor.
However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT).
Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. What do you mean by the bolded part... Random assumptions about Traitor role that are probably bad, is what I was thinking. Last time I played with a Mafia Traitor they needed to reach out to the Scum Team to be joined with them, but now I'm pretty sure that was in the Bastard Mod game or w/e it was called. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:43 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom!
Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town!
Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor.
However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT).
Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. This seems plausible. If Rels picks a townie, it's a new qt. If Rels picks the traitor, he gets access to the mafia qt. He picked tina N1 cause idk, and apparently rayn N2 maybe because of this post. On March 08 2019 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 04:09 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:01 Tubesock wrote:On March 08 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 23:45 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2019 23:30 Palmar wrote: go after mocsta -> threatens to kill himself go after conversion -> leaves the game
I may have a problem. You’re not the problem. Neither is HF. ? If Palmar wasn't a problem then why was your vote to have him killed at this point? I actually dived into your filter to find where you strong townread HF... and I don't see it at all. You made up your mind HF was town at the start of the game based on... nothing? And your comment after nightfall was about me, not about HF at all. In fact, it's the post that is continuously quoted here that has the whole ramble about how wonderful it would have been if HF had killed scum!Palmar. Why are you townreading HF? It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with. While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does. I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever. Lol if he killed rayn he 100% dies today Not if rayn is scum. But that'd be an amazing bus. i am super scum though. In a Scum!Rels world, these picks make sense. Far more important for Rels to prove to good townies that he is town. Honestly I threw out that tinfoil, but I'm kinda ignoring Rels' role in regards to reading him as it is pure WIFOM. While true, the amount of paranoia and kinda odd attitude Onegu is showing here makes me question the townpass I gave him based on SL's dumbtell. Especially since they kinda have been sharing the same attitude towards EoD and post flip. Also again, Role speculation is unlikely to be helpful and Night Kills will likely be more telling than any speculation we can do right now. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad that if we got another vig I want them to shoot Ace just see this last wagon? Actually Ace's flip would still be pretty telling... so No. I will get to this in a sec. #6992 This post was 100% written out before EoD, but Ace is sharing it now as current info. I haven't actually read the post yet, but this automatically feels a bit scummy to me. + Show Spoiler +How do I know? He didn't add Sentinal, but included BC. Which seems an odd thing to forgot for a town writing out a post and then editing it for post flip, but forgets that flip.
Ok so my thoughts about Traitor role, and then I am done talking about Roles. + Show Spoiler [Bonus Tinfoil] +Sent's opening could have been him trying to project his role to mafia I think we need to assume the Traitor role is unknown to Mafia, just as he does not know who is mafia. It would be kinda nice to get Mod confirmation about this, but it seems to me we kinda need to assume that. So, officially ignoring Role shit, and not giving any town passes just off that flip. We can deal with Role stuff tomorrow.
I just wrote that. I forgot to add Sentinel's role to the post that's all.
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On March 11 2019 12:20 Mocsta wrote: Also, I dont feel ace addressed me about chez/FF claiming the same role?
Everything he said about chez, should also apply to FF - or am i still missing something?
??? I answered it lol
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Ticktock be careful driving that WIFOM wagon
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On March 11 2019 12:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 10:46 Ace wrote: As of now we have these claimed roles. If any of the information is wrong let me know.
1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed 1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast Mad Hatter - Chezinu Day Vigilante - Pandain
Known roles:
Marv = Cop Trfel = Doctor Palmar = Backup Cop iamperfection = Veteran BC = Scum Roleblocker
With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds.
Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow.
With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker.
No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB.
So I just don't buy all of these claims.
Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more.
TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town.
FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante.
I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town.
So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me.
Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon.
Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow.
I believe you are wrong about your Chezinu Role Claim. I know... he is hard to read.
Ah. so you never claimed mad hatter, correct?
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Chezinu what do you think of my post about Acro's role?
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On March 11 2019 13:56 Tictock wrote: I think Meap or Wiggles would be fantastic follow up lynches tomorrow. For sure one if not both of them are mafia.
How did you reason this?
On March 11 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Ace, you know Acro explained his claimed role, right? Show nested quote +On March 10 2019 06:04 Acrofales wrote:On March 10 2019 05:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Acro, are you able to share the details of your role?
Is it based on a list of lurkers that you're just given, or were you told the criteria for inclusion on the list? Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead. I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p I think that "it" in the bolded is supposed to be an "or". Assuming that came in the role PM, which I'm guessing because of Acro saying he complained about it N1 because he couldn't shoot, then the choice of shots on N2 is completely not alignment indicative, but are simply the people who didn't vote or had under 5 posts. The role doesn't appear to care about alignment, just activity. In that sense I read it a lot more as a mod tool to handle inactivity by putting it in a player's hands as compared to simply mod-killing immediately. It's not inherently pro or anti town, looking at it that way. Now, if you want to make a case that Acro's not telling the truth about the role somehow, then that's another thing. Seems like a really weird thing to lie about though, as either alignment, so I don't think that's happening here. On the flip side, I don't see having the role as alignment indicative, could easily be given to scum or town, so I wouldn't use it to influence my read. Same thing goes for some of the other claims.
I know he explained it. I just don't see how it fits into the game. And yes I made that case earlier, as his role claim isn't the only thing about him that makes him a prime suspect.
On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy
Sure lol.
On March 11 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our brave Dead Zone Show intern took this call a few minutes ago: Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:58 Mocsta wrote: Deadzone wiggles.
I would contest its a scum-favoured role. Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times. There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible.
Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago.
Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro?
Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes. Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets.
This post is awesome haha
On March 11 2019 17:08 Acrofales wrote:I PM'd Kita for clarification on the traitor role, but he won't say more than in the flip post. Mafiascum has this, which doesn't really help at all sure to the caveat: Show nested quote +Normal Guidelines A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned knows the identities of all of the Mafia team identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them. On this forum, godfather is considered normal, so who knows what a "normal" traitor is here: we're following Kita's playbook, which seems like a bastard version of "normal". Anyway, seem dangerous to do any association reading for sentinel. As for my role, Ace and mocsta are being idiotic. In what works does mafia ever want to shoot inactives? So either you think I'm lying about how my role works, or you aren't using your brain. Mocsta, Ace, do you think I'm lying about my role?
If one of the currently inactive players is a future threat ie not currently posting because of real life things but will do so in the future.
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Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts:
1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now?
2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154
Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game. Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive: Onegu Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:54 Onegu wrote: Aright LS..
##Vote: Rsoultin obvious mafia what are you doing Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote: Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green! you need to die too Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote: Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar" Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh. It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all. However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing. Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post. If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit. He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead. Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF. How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus. Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia? When did you get so bad at this game? Trying to bait me? Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in). So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help. I don't trust you And of course, iamp's only vote Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote: ##mayor: iamperfection ##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum. 1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now. 2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility. 3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip. It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
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Possibly. I guess my thinking is if you have that role and are Town, you'd think about the ramifications of shooting a Town aligned player that could potentially help you later. So you'd think damdred is scum but I didn't notice you push this.
But, I know I look at the game differently so this part of the accusation can be me pretending to be in your shoes instead of getting a grasp on how you play.
That being said, it's only one part of the case.
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Darth's ninja vote then exit didn't go unnoticed. Great analysis post.
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On March 12 2019 00:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 00:31 LightningStrike wrote:On March 12 2019 00:27 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up from my nap because my cat was yelling and she took shit near my room so I am still a little awake On March 12 2019 00:07 Onegu wrote:On March 11 2019 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:Didn't get much from Marv/Iamp's filters but found a gem from Koshi's filter. Here it is before I take my nap: On March 05 2019 20:06 Koshi wrote: My list lynch is now: HF (vig not on BH) Wiggles ( Palmar) Sentinel (Palmar + Tfrel) Anybody marv currently votes for
I will pick 1 at my pleasure. List will update after lynches but not on nk because those come from mafia.
I am sad Tfrel ended up blue.
Not much more to say and do. I will now take my nap for about maybe 1 hour? What am I supposed to glean from this? Lynch wiggles? The sent read might be why Koshi was killed that's why I posted that. Koshi was depressed coming into his last posts but I think Koshi was killed because of Sent. Thoughts? Why are you assuming scum knew who sent was? Because Sent didn't know who his teammates were so it more likely scum knew who he was unless the host wanted to bastardize the role where either the mafia team guess who traitor is or traitor will have to guess the team. So ya I think it more likely mafia knew who sent was but sent didn't know who his team was. I’m going off mafia wiki. They say scum don’t know. They also said sent would know but... I am guessing balance wise there needed to be a extra scum, but a very weak one.Honestly ls I am really feeling you are scum now. Trying to get town cred.
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Damnit he was one of Iamps suspects. Fuck this game I can't lynch my former student🤦🏼♂️
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Maybe you didn't understand. I'm no longer speaking on his claim. Actually read the post.
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On March 12 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 04:50 Vivax wrote: Town would have 3 KP with hatter, one night and one day vig.
If acrofales is anything, he's the serial killer. Cause having a lurker-only vig sounds like a completely made up thing. You're right on one part, my role IS a made-up role, made up by kita. I'm not an SK. I'll prove it by not killing anyone for the rest of the game
Well he's got you there Vivax
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On March 12 2019 05:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 05:23 Ace wrote:On March 12 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 04:50 Vivax wrote: Town would have 3 KP with hatter, one night and one day vig.
If acrofales is anything, he's the serial killer. Cause having a lurker-only vig sounds like a completely made up thing. You're right on one part, my role IS a made-up role, made up by kita. I'm not an SK. I'll prove it by not killing anyone for the rest of the game Well he's got you there Vivax Reads to me like he's telling scum they need not be afraid of him killing TS and ExO tbf.
FFS why'd you ruin it lol. Shhhhhhhhh.
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I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game.
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On March 18 2019 03:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 03:22 Ace wrote: I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game. That's just because you were dead already for the chezinu lynch. We had some terrible lynches this game.
I saw that too and didn't get it
It's like when the person that had a wagon the day before didn't get lynched or NK'd, they just HAD to be a suspect next day with all previous knowledge about the day before thrown away. But Mafia team did a good job of never letting anyone get a solid hold of suspects.
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Brown bomber and suspected criminal Rels calling in were hilarious.
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