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On November 01 2018 03:06 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 02:56 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2018 01:52 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. How will votes on a government that didn't pass (on the first day at least) be more telling than a passed government? Like what can you get out of these votes that will help you to read people until you can vote for the next government? Because we don't run the risk of a crapshoot government passing a fascist policy in the event that you are not town? Thank you for the explanation... Could you please go ahead and give also an answer to my question you quoted there?
I don't get anything out of votes, I get more time and eat an election tracker that matters very little to me
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On November 01 2018 03:12 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. conversion lied. Here's the proof
you got me dude I'm hitler
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but "reveal where votes went" != "discuss votes"
If you're going to semantically nitpick at something, do it well
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oh I didn't even read my own thing. woops
yup I must be hitler
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On November 01 2018 03:10 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 03:07 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote: was kitaman the one that said just keep electing one dude until facist policy happens?
why was that a bad idea again Election tracker and we can't just elect the same dude in two consecutive elections, it's a rule. Also it is likely that we get at least once fff. And if the two fascists that are not hitler get into government and enact fascist policies, we have three, which would let mafia auto-win if hitler gets in the government. So hitler could enact liberal policies to get in the town circle.
6/11 liberal/facist
worst case scenario we get L/L/L L/L/L in the first two draws, leaving us having to enact 1 facist policy before the deck cycles (by discarding every government policy until a "random" one is chosen)
so we are at 2/1 and the deck cycles. hitler infiltrates the "town" circle, and worst case scenario we're dumb enough to have a facist in there too. so then they throw away liberal policies to enact two facist ones, in which case we deserve to lose anyways for somehow building a town circle with a facist and hitler in there.
in a less dumb situation, we have 2 liberals and hitler infiltrating this triangle. we pass two liberals and 1 facist again, and we are at 4/2. we now get an investigative power to peek into the triangle and a lot more information on who is liberal/facist based on conversation, and we go into the later phase of the game in a very, very good spot.
why won't this work?
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On November 01 2018 03:10 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 03:07 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote: was kitaman the one that said just keep electing one dude until facist policy happens?
why was that a bad idea again Election tracker and we can't just elect the same dude in two consecutive elections, it's a rule. Also it is likely that we get at least once fff. And if the two fascists that are not hitler get into government and enact fascist policies, we have three, which would let mafia auto-win if hitler gets in the government. So hitler could enact liberal policies to get in the town circle.
this argument is "if liberals play bad and stupid facists win"
yeah welcome to the game.
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oh fuck cards don't cycle unless a government is elected. ignore me
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okay I'm out of steam I thought I had a good idea. I need to learn2read
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On November 01 2018 06:19 happykrogan wrote: Conversion did a very good in totally confusing me... I don't get what he wanted to say, but I guess it doesn't matter as his theory was under a wrong understanding of the game mechanics...?
He still lied though
you could have read nothing but my last post and gotten that conclusion
congrats!
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also you fixating on a point on me "lying" is really inane and forced trying to generate content when no one's paying attention to you
also I hope we draw F/F/F and descend in to chaos
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ideally we'd send off as many governments as possible, no? I think statistically we are unlikely to enact all 6 liberal policies without a reshuffle
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when cards are reshuffled, are we reshuffling all the non-enacted cards, or are we shuffling the entire deck + the unused policies?
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On November 01 2018 11:26 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 07:20 Conversion wrote: also you fixating on a point on me "lying" is really inane and forced trying to generate content when no one's paying attention to you
also I hope we draw F/F/F and descend in to chaos you might not believe me, but I actually think lying is a scummy thing to do. And you did lie, as you stated two contradicting things. Also I think this response is scummy. It doesn't fit into the careless attitude you showed, because you are clearly bothered by it. Also instead of explaining why you said what you said as town (what town should be capable of), you decided to attack me and my credibility, calling it an desperate attempt of generating content. Also you made this post, which I interpret as an attempt of making me look stupid Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 07:19 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2018 06:19 happykrogan wrote: Conversion did a very good in totally confusing me... I don't get what he wanted to say, but I guess it doesn't matter as his theory was under a wrong understanding of the game mechanics...?
He still lied though you could have read nothing but my last post and gotten that conclusion congrats! Where I stated that trying to figure out your argument was confusing me (before I read your last post of course), which I admit was unnecessary to state as I already realized it doesn't matter anyways. But the way you attacked me on it, together with the second post, seems like scum trying to defend themself by making the person with the argument look bad opposed to trying to convince him that argument was flawed.
so what makes you so sure that I was lying instead of literally forgetting what I wrote?
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On November 01 2018 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: Cool.
I'm probably going to pick either Conversion on Rels.
why Rels out of curiosity?
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On November 01 2018 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways i dont think grackaroni should choose conversion as chancellor anyways since conversion is next in line for president.
I agree with this statement, not sure if Rels should be the alternative though
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not not sure, I think he shouldn’t be.
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I'm chill with passing this government
I'm assuming I want to pass krogan or rayn into chancellorship-- is it going to pass though?
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On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote: What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?
If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.
I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.
In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.
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On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team. I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote: No wait a second.
Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote: I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F. I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.
Who would you have me vote (besides yourself) for chancellor? keeping in mind people will most not likely push me through anyways..
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also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no?
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