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On March 20 2018 19:15 Palmar wrote: I have no reservations about lynching people on day 1 who are intentionally not playing like Koshi
I agree with this, except I swear Koshi does shit like this every game I play with him and seems more hostile when he’s town
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On March 20 2018 17:39 KelsierSC wrote:
For exo himself, I do have a scum lean I guess I would want to know if his read on me has changed. Some of exo's posts seem plausible like his defence of his moosy read was possibly ok..im rambling on this.
This is the main quote I'm referring to. This post reads to me like you want to know my opinion of you so you can then either scum read me if I still scum read you, or town read me if I town read you.
And I'm not leaving myself a backdoor to come after you later. But I'm not committing to you be a firm town or firm scum at this point. I'm leaning town on you now based on your more recent posts -- however it's hard for me to shake my early impressions of you. I have a really bad history of tunneling based on early reads though and I'm aware of it, so I'm trying to improve my own play.
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As a heads up, I do leave for work in about an hour and a half, and my activity will drop off massively after that point until tonight.
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On March 20 2018 20:31 Palmar wrote: To clarify, I agree that the read by exo is stupid and shouldn't be made. I also agree with noobking (and hf?) that exo's read doesn't directly push any mafia agenda.
Aka, Exo might very well be mafia, but that read is at best a mistake then, it's not some kind of a slam dunk case that he must be. Townies are more prone to do stupid shit than mafia.
Like I don't hate ticktock's vote, i'm fine with some pressure on Exo
......At the time I made the read, HF hadn't made a single post of more than a sentence. Thus I thought she probably couldn't care less about furthering the discussion therefore she was likely scum, or vanilla town annoyed she doesn't have a role.
I wasn't saying this based off a deep understanding of Holy Flare, but in a more general sense. I do know that I've played a few games with HF and she seemed more active in pushing town than she did thus far in this game when I posted that. That has sense changed, but at the time I posted I felt like HF had to be either VT or scum
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If HF is a he, I apologize...it's been a while and I forget...did think HF was a she but I might be entirely mistaken.
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On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote: I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.
I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.
I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.
##Vote: disformation
More votes on ykl would also be a good thing.
Was this ever explained? Because Koshi's vote is really crap with no explanation, and this vote was thrown out there and then nothing else really done with it
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On March 20 2018 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote: I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.
I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.
I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.
##Vote: disformation
More votes on ykl would also be a good thing. Was this ever explained? Because Koshi's vote is really crap with no explanation, and this vote was thrown out there and then nothing else really done with it disinfo soft defending moosy early on. I can understand that scum read. I could lynch disinformation 100%
But Noobking never says that -- Noobking references Koshi's vote as his reason for also voting disinfo -- however Koshi has no substance whatsoever.
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On March 20 2018 21:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 21:09 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote: I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.
I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.
I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.
##Vote: disformation
More votes on ykl would also be a good thing. Was this ever explained? Because Koshi's vote is really crap with no explanation, and this vote was thrown out there and then nothing else really done with it disinfo soft defending moosy early on. I can understand that scum read. I could lynch disinformation 100% But Noobking never says that -- Noobking references Koshi's vote as his reason for also voting disinfo -- however Koshi has no substance whatsoever. he probably read that Koshi was scum or VT which is a pretty solid basis.
Again, without posting any of this. You're providing reasons for him that he didn't provide for himself and then agreeing with the reasons you provided.
What's your opinion on Koshi, and sheeping Koshi -- both ways here (if he read Koshi as VT or Koshi as scum)?
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On March 20 2018 21:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 21:14 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:12 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:09 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote: I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.
I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.
I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.
##Vote: disformation
More votes on ykl would also be a good thing. Was this ever explained? Because Koshi's vote is really crap with no explanation, and this vote was thrown out there and then nothing else really done with it disinfo soft defending moosy early on. I can understand that scum read. I could lynch disinformation 100% But Noobking never says that -- Noobking references Koshi's vote as his reason for also voting disinfo -- however Koshi has no substance whatsoever. he probably read that Koshi was scum or VT which is a pretty solid basis. Again, without posting any of this. You're providing reasons for him that he didn't provide for himself and then agreeing with the reasons you provided. What's your opinion on Koshi, and sheeping Koshi -- both ways here (if he read Koshi as VT or Koshi as scum)? I was being facetious with the scum/VT comment. I looked at koshi's vote with the quote above it and decided I could lynch dis for that. I have no opinion on koshi but I like the vote. ##Vote: disinformation
This really baffles me. You have no opinion on Koshi, and the other two people voting Disinfo have offered no information for a Disinfo vote....
I don't know it seems really weird to me that I point out something odd with NK, you provide a defense for him, and then join the wagon with two others who have offered no reasoning for voting him.
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On March 20 2018 21:30 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 21:22 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:19 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:14 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:12 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:09 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote: I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.
I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.
I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.
##Vote: disformation
More votes on ykl would also be a good thing. Was this ever explained? Because Koshi's vote is really crap with no explanation, and this vote was thrown out there and then nothing else really done with it disinfo soft defending moosy early on. I can understand that scum read. I could lynch disinformation 100% But Noobking never says that -- Noobking references Koshi's vote as his reason for also voting disinfo -- however Koshi has no substance whatsoever. he probably read that Koshi was scum or VT which is a pretty solid basis. Again, without posting any of this. You're providing reasons for him that he didn't provide for himself and then agreeing with the reasons you provided. What's your opinion on Koshi, and sheeping Koshi -- both ways here (if he read Koshi as VT or Koshi as scum)? I was being facetious with the scum/VT comment. I looked at koshi's vote with the quote above it and decided I could lynch dis for that. I have no opinion on koshi but I like the vote. ##Vote: disinformation This really baffles me. You have no opinion on Koshi, and the other two people voting Disinfo have offered no information for a Disinfo vote.... I don't know it seems really weird to me that I point out something odd with NK, you provide a defense for him, and then join the wagon with two others who have offered no reasoning for voting him. koshi did offer a reason for voting him. it's in the quote. I already said I was being facetious I am offering no "defence" for NK. I just like koshi's reason. I assume NK did too. I can see you are not reading "super closely" again. but yeh keep calling stuff weird and being baffled. really helpful.
On March 20 2018 10:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 09:42 disformation wrote: just for the record: moosy asking bout the setup is fairly nai. totally in his town range. ##vote disformationIt's ok. You tried.
You're trying to brush me off, but this quote doesn't look like much of a reason to me.
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Or is: "it's ok. You tried"
some sort of profound reason I just don't see
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On March 20 2018 21:35 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 21:33 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:30 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:22 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:19 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:14 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:12 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:09 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote: [quote]
Was this ever explained? Because Koshi's vote is really crap with no explanation, and this vote was thrown out there and then nothing else really done with it disinfo soft defending moosy early on. I can understand that scum read. I could lynch disinformation 100% But Noobking never says that -- Noobking references Koshi's vote as his reason for also voting disinfo -- however Koshi has no substance whatsoever. he probably read that Koshi was scum or VT which is a pretty solid basis. Again, without posting any of this. You're providing reasons for him that he didn't provide for himself and then agreeing with the reasons you provided. What's your opinion on Koshi, and sheeping Koshi -- both ways here (if he read Koshi as VT or Koshi as scum)? I was being facetious with the scum/VT comment. I looked at koshi's vote with the quote above it and decided I could lynch dis for that. I have no opinion on koshi but I like the vote. ##Vote: disinformation This really baffles me. You have no opinion on Koshi, and the other two people voting Disinfo have offered no information for a Disinfo vote.... I don't know it seems really weird to me that I point out something odd with NK, you provide a defense for him, and then join the wagon with two others who have offered no reasoning for voting him. koshi did offer a reason for voting him. it's in the quote. I already said I was being facetious I am offering no "defence" for NK. I just like koshi's reason. I assume NK did too. I can see you are not reading "super closely" again. but yeh keep calling stuff weird and being baffled. really helpful. On March 20 2018 10:06 Koshi wrote:On March 20 2018 09:42 disformation wrote: just for the record: moosy asking bout the setup is fairly nai. totally in his town range. ##vote disformationIt's ok. You tried. You're trying to brush me off, but this quote doesn't look like much of a reason to me. ok then don't vote and talk about something else. Honestly you are either scum or town with zero reading comprehension so you aren't that important.
I don't think attacking me makes sense here. If I'm missing something, instead of antagonizing me show me: where is Koshi's reason for his vote? I certainly don't see it in his filter -- quoting disinfo and saying "it's okay you tried" isn't offering any reasoning or explanation at all.
You clearly think disinfo is worthy of a vote here, and Koshi was the first person to vote Disinfo and you've established you believe Koshi has a reason you agree with, I would like that explained to me, because I don't see it at all.
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On March 20 2018 21:44 KelsierSC wrote: Koshi quotes then votes in the same post. Huge leap of logic to assume Koshi doesn't like the post that he quoted.
I don't like it either so I voted dis.
If you are fine with the post then don't vote and contribute something else.
I would try and explain in more detail but you have already said you don't read the thread and just try to bury people rather than read their explanations..
The problem I have here is that I don't think this came up organically. I brought up the fact that NK voted Disinfo with Koshi without providing a reason (and I still don't believe quoting one sentence from Disinfo is remotely a good enough reason to vote him without further explanation).
You then provided a potential reason why NK might have voted Disinfo -- I said he didn't provide this reasoning though, and you double down by voting Disinfo yourself.
It feels wrong to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but this makes me think you are scum with NK.
##Vote:KelsierSC
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On March 20 2018 22:21 Vivax wrote:Some thoughts I feel like sharing in inconclusive post manner. - Almost purely tonally TT and NK look town to me. - rsoultin hasn't been pestering anyone and might be mafia for it. - Did anyone hijack Kelsiers account? Don't even want to decide what he is as long as he keeps posting. - Koshi probably town for not giving a shit so far, will have confirmation when the town Koshi trademark posts start to pour in. - ykl very diplomatic, could come from mafia, currently stuck deciding whether he's just catering to the people he answers to. However his filter leads me to Mocstas for this reason: + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 12:01 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 11:32 ykl wrote: Also, the whole reason Mocsta even called me out to begin with was that I thought Conversion's early call on n00bking was misguided. Hi ykl, Above is a gross simplification. Refering to #232TMI related to you expressing that: Ex0, Conversion, Moosey & n00bking are all "chasing down the wrong path". This does not only infer they are all not scum. But that they are also all town - enough that further info is not needed. Your explanation since does not address the Moosey/n00bking element either. Post 10 / 14 Ah, that's pretty weird. Intention was only to say ExO- and Conversion are chasing down the wrong path, bad wording from my part. I wouldn't say that no further info is needed and they are all confirmed town, just that I don't read either of them as "scum" at the moment and that when I made the post, neither case was particularly well thought out? I really don't have much to say about Moosy or n00bking. Moosy has been trying to off himself, which screams someone that really doesn't want to play the game or is frustrated about something, could swing either way to be honest? I don't think what he's doing is helpful at the moment but its ignorable. n00bking, I really got more interested in the last post he made. Completely ignored the scumread from Conversion and does not seem to want to interact with him at all, instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. I think it's odd here that Mocsta pays attention to the TMI element in the #232 post he links in the nested quote and emphasizes it when ykl said he doesn't think either are scum already which implies that there is at least a null read, I also didn't like Mocstas post on TT. It was cute style-wise but also read like plain rhetoric without much substance cause the entire point was to ping TT for the sole reason that he hadn't been pinged yet. I'd have found the part more interesting where he says: Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 10:54 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 10:30 Tictock wrote:Hi ykl. I hope you are prepared for how quickly this game is likely to pick up. People usually throw out votes super early around here to kinda get the ball rolling, though it is up to you to determine how serious these votes are. + Show Spoiler +Hint: Koshi's votes are not likely to be very serious It sounds like you might be familiar with Forum Mafia, do you play on another site? Eh, its fine. The filter just isolates posters right? pretty useful feature, the rest of the site could use it. I've never played forum-based before, just other versions of Mafia. Anyway, so that this isn't just a pointless spam post. I don't think I like the weird posting style darthfoley is using, seems like a deliberate attempt to muddy up waters for no good reason.I don't like the early call out from Conversion or ExO-, both are very weak reads based off almost no data. I don't think either are scum but I think you'd be chasing down the wrong path. Bolded is pretty much an example of a"let me go and look for something to write about on the go" mindset, but in a natural way. I think this particular case comes from town cause he's so brazen about it. Scum does it more accidentally. To have the post actually end conclusively though, I need to point out something else and why I still think we should lynch ExO: Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 11:21 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 11:05 Vivax wrote: And you still didn't explain why what you said makes moosy mafia.
Cause it doesn't and you also have no clue how you got to say that. Again, if he knows the setup, posting asking to explain it is scummy to me. Do you have any reads on anybody else? Or anything else? or are you just gonna yolo tunnel me as your one contribution? I believe it's a very mafia thing to do to point at what the guy pressuring you isn't doing while he is busy with you, cause it's a way of getting rid of pressure by trying to play it back to him based on the posting qua ntity of said person.
I could just omgus, but that’s not really gonna help town now is it? I’ve been bad about this in the past. However I can’t help but notice you offer nothing new here. I’ve posted a lot, take the above for example — do you have no thoughts on this exchange between myself and keisler?
Asking you your thoughts on other players and do something other than insist “lynch ExO” isn’t scum indicative. If you wanna tunnel me fine — offer something else too. Calling everyone town and only looking at me as scum isn’t productive in my opinion
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I've just now gotten home -- but I'm tired. I'll be awake in roughly ~7 hours and will devote the first couple of hours of my morning to mafia.
Gonna quickly browse over for 15-30 minutes but then i'm off to bed.
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So far, getting really scummy feelings from rsoultin:
- Doesn't commit to a scum read except on slam (and even says doesn't expect other people to get it). - Is okay with voting noob not because she thinks he's scum, but because his post makes her yawn? wtf reasoning is that.
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch.
Everything else rsoultin said came down to "tone". I don't know, I don't buy it. This rsoultin is very wishy washy and not the town-driving rsoultin I'd expect.
While I'm at it just general other reads from what little I've seen throughout the day via phone
HF - Town Mocsta - Town
NK - Scummy
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Still kinda want an explanation from KelsierSC regarding his initial disinfo vote. Really not satisfied with how he never gave me a proper answer as to his own reasoning for voting disinfo -- and again Koshi's quoting of Disinfo is not an explained reason.
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Holy shit can you guys chill out. I wake up to like 10 more pages of thread to read, why is it the activity picks up most when im sleeping.
Also, awake now!
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Vivax I think you're tunneling me super hard and finding a way to see everything I do in a bad light instead of actually reading my posts and focusing on their content. In fact going through your filter tunneling me is the only thing you've done the entire Day 1 while offering very little in the way of analysis of my posts or analysis of other players.
Maybe it's OMGUS a little bit, but you look like scum tunneling your one read (similar to what rsoultin was doing until she was called out for it last night by me/DF).
Again I ask do you have any other scum read, and what's the reason for them? Or is it just "ignore all ExO's posts, I'm going to call him scum without reading his posts all day" day
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On March 21 2018 15:23 Vivax wrote: I'm currently thinking mafia are rsoultin, HF, ExO. HF read largely depending on NKs flip if we get that but I suspect shenannies today.
Fefe and Palmar are kind of my lower tier suspects . Disfo and rayn nullish and kind of reserved to be looked at later. Didn't look at much of what df has posted so far so got to keep him null for now. Skimming him makes me think he might be doing the rp thingy to conceal a lack of passion in his posts which is what sticks out to me on the go, but I'm also going to hedge on this one for now.
That's pretty much it when I disregard SL and Rels. I also might be being too generous with not considering Koshi and Moosy but I don't really see a benefit for them in playing like they do if they are mafia which is rather feather ruffling.
I don't usually mention that many big names on a D1 for suspects but when it's so many of them I almost have no choice if I want to tell everyone where my head is at.
I will only be casing ExO among them today though, maybe FF as well. I explained what made me suspicious of rso already and in regards to HF it's pretty much about the way he's going after NK. Should he flip town at some point I'll start casing HF, if NK flips mafia I can abandon that suspicion for a good while.
Are you referring to this post Vivax? Because I don't think there was this much content in this post. You basically said "here are some people and I kinda maybe not really think they might be scum" before going back to spending every post hard tunneling me.
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