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On December 14 2017 04:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 19:58 Eversince wrote: Yeah so seems like Oats reads like he thinks the Conversion read is bolonga, Agrees that's Conversion isn't trying to figure out alignment. Then sides with Conversion to still this you and VE are forcing your stances to appear townie? (What I got from quick filters) This mean HF/DF etc are also forcing or just riding along? @Oats I don't think koshi or ve is mafia, they are just trying extremely hard to look town. Which isnt a tell one way or another.
Okay this is a garbage level post. Holy shit. Maybe Oats really is just terrible mafia
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On December 14 2017 04:53 Koshi wrote: I am playing Heroes. Also voting Palmar I think. It's not that I don't believe in the Oats lynch. He is a fine lynch.
Isn't there some meta on Koshi always using video games as an excuse as scum? Maybe that was Rels
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On December 14 2017 00:44 Palmar wrote:The case is this: As I was reading the back and forth and trash talking between conversion, hf, koshi etc, I started wondering "right, so some of them may be mafia, but they all care. If I am mafia, I let this happen but still feel the need to post". So I started thinking about people I remember posting, but don't remember if they said anything of value. I 100% admit that the first person I could think of filling the description of my supposed mafia was forumite. So I decided to read his filter, and that is when I said he's 99% mafia. The strong theme in forumite's filter is that he says stuff that mostly is just there to be around. It's not particularly investigative or contentious, but it is there. I'm gonna give a bunch of examples: I already had noticed this post: Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote: Lets get started
##Vote Palmar Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar scummy the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote: Lets get started
##Vote Palmar Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar scummy I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote: I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something? Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? Right, you can in theory argue that all this, and every post up to this in his filter is just trolling. The rest of his early filter are mostly random shitty questions with some tiny mechanics or role discussion thrown in. Like while I'm editing this a bit for effect, below is literally everything Forumite contributed to the game early on. Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 06:00 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 05:37 Kmatt wrote: On the first day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me: surprise murder mystery! Noone´s dead yet, planning to survive the first night? Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote: Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 22:45 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 22:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Man this wagon is big. I feel like it's this bitcoin bubble that's about to burst, Palmar isn't gonna get lynched at all is he?! Hi VE, what are your scumreads? Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 07:05 Forumite wrote:On December 13 2017 06:39 Grackaroni wrote: This is going to sound pretty stupid but I could see teammates wanting to jump on scum Palmar as a distancing maneuver at the start of the day when there's little chance that votes would stay on him for the rest of the day. Yes, that´s possible, but it doesn´t really give town-points unless Palmar is lynched and they lead the lynch. Why do you say it´s stupid? This is one of your first real posts in this game, and also full of WIFOM and a soft-defend on someone you are voting for. On December 12 2017 08:07 Grackaroni wrote: I'm sensing some electrical discharge of the variety typically found in a thunder storm. If only I could put a name to it. On December 13 2017 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:On December 12 2017 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 12 2017 23:01 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote: Lets get started
##Vote Palmar Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar scummy I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote: I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something? Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? I never blue/blackhunt and the setup is closed? stupid question. Palmar read OP = mafia no? Fuck man this opening has been so clean, the wagon so pure. I have no scumreads. Maybe Grack for starting such a pure and beautiful wagon? Nooooo. I was just upset about Palmar's callous hijacking of your unicorn. I swears it. Also I have pork chops. Lots of pork chops. Would you please explain these two? None of this is actually valid scum hunting. None of this seems designed to lead anywhere. There is no follow up, no thread. Just random shitty questions. I kinda remembered this yesterday, so this post here: Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 19:19 Forumite wrote:On December 13 2017 19:09 Koshi wrote: Hmm. It would be impressive if it was Conversion, Palmar and Chezinu. Hi Koshi. Is HF town? What is the case on Conversion? Around page 10 there were a lot of accusations towards him, is there any post in particular that started this? which is just a continuation of the same bullshit really struck me. He continues to sort of mull over the conversion thing which is actually the first thing he kinda follows up on, but again the tone seems super mild and overly diplomatic: Why, for example, does he repeatedly ask people to explain the case on Conversion or says he doesn't follow it. It's super clear (I think I quoted koshi's point about conversion and called it good yesterday). This is just a result of forumite either not reading the thread, or just posting shit so he can talk about stuff while pretending to know nothing about it so it's not suspicious that he's actually not contributing anything to the discussion at hand. He does end up making a call on Conversion's alignment, while still inviting more discussion on it without actually pushing his own alternatives all that much. To summarize, it's the mindset in forumite's posting that makes him mafia: 1) He asks questions with no intention to follow up or investigate the answers. 2) He makes alignment calls with no intention of using that information to move the game in a different directionIt's a rather good case.
This seems like a decently compelling case. I don't think I want to lynch Palmar today.
Conversion has done a couple townie things like not taking people's defense of him for granted... but then he also posts some uber scummy shit with no logical read progression so
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On December 14 2017 05:04 Conversion wrote: I didn't ask you to give me more reasons to called you tunneled as fuck onto me, I asked you to tell me who my scummates were if I flip scum and who is scum team if I flip town
You're dodging an obvious logical inconsistency in your posts. There actually can't really be a logical progression because I did not post at all between those two posts, but your opinion went from Town: DF >> Koshi to Scum: DF >>>>>>>> Koshi
If you flip scum, i'll look at anyone who tried to divert lynch to Oats or had shit reasons to join Oats wagon. Koshi is also not out of the realm of possibility to be your partner. HF less likely.
If you flip town, I think there's probably some white-knighting from someone. I actually think HF is more likely to be town than Koshi.
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On December 14 2017 04:57 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 22:07 Conversion wrote: there probably is a mafia between koshi/df btw if I get lynched today. I’m leaning toward more Koshi than that and he’s probably just rerolling his playstyle cuz he knows VE/Palmar won’t let himnslide like last game
df is lookin better. I’ll eat a shoe if they both rolled scum again Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 02:42 Conversion wrote:On December 14 2017 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:On December 14 2017 02:19 Koshi wrote:On December 14 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:Ok I did a quick reread of Conversion's scum play in the last newbie. I think the difference between his play in that game and in this game is really night and day. Do a quick read for yourself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=ConversionIn that game his reads are a lot more indecisive. He gives a list of wishy washy reads and whenever he gives a read on somebody that isn't a town read he adds a qualifier for why his read may be wrong. In this game he calls out things that he doesn't like about DF, Forumite's and Arya's play right off the bat without reservation. On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote: BTW Setup talk is a dumb thnig to speculate now since we should just focus on pure scum hunting. this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:16 Arya321 wrote:On December 12 2017 12:04 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:00 darthfoley wrote:On December 12 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote: you won last game I did. It was not as glorious as advertised ya but why would you tell people palmar led "us" to utter defeat last game, when you won? i think he means he led town to utter defeat? Just not worded right I think. from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting? On December 12 2017 23:53 Conversion wrote: the way I see Oats is he makes a lot of weird aggressive posts early. it's what he does after that matters more (when I was mafia w/ him he opened the same way, but then starting being more passive)
what's your opinion on Forumite? I don't like the soft questioning he(she?) is doing without giving away reads unless asked I think the chances of Conversion being scum are really quite low. Hmm. Does that mean I am bad? It probably makes one of HF/DF mafia more likely. this is more interesting than my between DF/Koshi read, but idk if mafia!HF would expose himself so much by sheeping onto a town lynch like that. even in my head between DF/Koshi DF is way more likely to flip mafia if I go under the assumption that one person in the "Conv is mafia" case is mafiacan you explain your DF/HF split? So I somehow became "way more likely" to flip mafia than Koshi without posting anything between the times of these two posts, after saying "df looking better" than Koshi. That is some really scummy fucking shit. Also the push back off of Conversion and the fact that Conversion never got more than 3 votes is sus as shit
Y'all should read this post of mine. It's pretty great.
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My opinion is that he or she spammed a fuck ton to the point where I didn't want to read it, so I skimmed it and I can't remember what he/she said about anything.
If you have a more specific question, let me know.
Apparently I don't need reading comprehension to kick ass as mafia or find mafia as town
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On December 14 2017 05:12 Conversion wrote: I'm not going to split hairs with you because you can't read apparently.
my big post was stated to be: "If I believe DF/Koshi are town because x," not "DF/Koshi ARE town because X"
then I said if I get lynched today, there is a chance that there is a mafia between you and Koshi. and if there is a mafia between you and Koshi, I see Koshi being more mafia than you. then I thought about it more as Koshi posted and you were at work, and thought eh maybe now in my head DF is more mafia than Koshi in this hypothetical situation
for someone so eager to call people's posts garbage, your reading comprehension lacks. by a lot. like an almsot laughable amount
Why did your opinion of the two of us change? What did Koshi say that swayed you? Why am I more likely to be mafia than him?
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On December 14 2017 05:19 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 05:17 darthfoley wrote:On December 14 2017 05:12 Conversion wrote: I'm not going to split hairs with you because you can't read apparently.
my big post was stated to be: "If I believe DF/Koshi are town because x," not "DF/Koshi ARE town because X"
then I said if I get lynched today, there is a chance that there is a mafia between you and Koshi. and if there is a mafia between you and Koshi, I see Koshi being more mafia than you. then I thought about it more as Koshi posted and you were at work, and thought eh maybe now in my head DF is more mafia than Koshi in this hypothetical situation
for someone so eager to call people's posts garbage, your reading comprehension lacks. by a lot. like an almsot laughable amount Why did your opinion of the two of us change? What did Koshi say that swayed you? Why am I more likely to be mafia than him? it was a possibility case that I was spilling to the thread to get feedback. to paint me as scum because I apparently called you two scum at that point is just dumb because that's not what I was saying in my post
I'm not calling you scum because you think we might be scum. I think it's scummy that you have waffled between me/koshi being the one scum in your hypothetical and arbitrarily changed your mind with no real explanation besides vague platitudes.
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Yea those posts are bad. They're either good points made by others and parroted or random reasoning to justify leaving options open for next lynch imo
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On December 14 2017 05:21 Koshi wrote:darthfoley is a lost boy
So i'm a lost boy for pushing the person I want to lynch, who you have said many times still has a high chance of flipping mafia?
Your apathy towards this lynch is bad or mafia. Maybe bad mafia
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Fwiw Oats is probably gonna flip town. If he flips scum, we probably look at the last couples votes on him and maybe some slick player in the middle of the wagon
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On December 14 2017 05:24 Arya321 wrote: I sort of here I trying to do a take home test atm but I don't think Koshi made that many game excuses as scum but it been a long time. @DF I know you are tunneled atm but imagine if Conversion is town in your world: Who would be scum?
On December 14 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 05:04 Conversion wrote: I didn't ask you to give me more reasons to called you tunneled as fuck onto me, I asked you to tell me who my scummates were if I flip scum and who is scum team if I flip town You're dodging an obvious logical inconsistency in your posts. There actually can't really be a logical progression because I did not post at all between those two posts, but your opinion went from Town: DF >> Koshi to Scum: DF >>>>>>>> Koshi If you flip scum, i'll look at anyone who tried to divert lynch to Oats or had shit reasons to join Oats wagon. Koshi is also not out of the realm of possibility to be your partner. HF less likely. If you flip town, I think there's probably some white-knighting from someone. I actually think HF is more likely to be town than Koshi.
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What I don't understand is if Conversion is town, why mafia really didn't try to hammer him at all?
Even if Koshi or HF is mafia, there was no effort at all to push the lynch or get people on board. This was part of the reason that I held my vote. I wanted to see if the wagon gained steam, and it really didn't. In fact, it encountered pretty severe backlash and Oats/Palmar/Forumite became a huge thing. Conversion was really relegated to the backseat. Koshi especially hasn't given a flying fuck to push Conversion.
I'm concerned as to why
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On December 14 2017 05:27 Arya321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 05:25 darthfoley wrote:On December 14 2017 05:24 Arya321 wrote: I sort of here I trying to do a take home test atm but I don't think Koshi made that many game excuses as scum but it been a long time. @DF I know you are tunneled atm but imagine if Conversion is town in your world: Who would be scum? On December 14 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote:On December 14 2017 05:04 Conversion wrote: I didn't ask you to give me more reasons to called you tunneled as fuck onto me, I asked you to tell me who my scummates were if I flip scum and who is scum team if I flip town You're dodging an obvious logical inconsistency in your posts. There actually can't really be a logical progression because I did not post at all between those two posts, but your opinion went from Town: DF >> Koshi to Scum: DF >>>>>>>> Koshi If you flip scum, i'll look at anyone who tried to divert lynch to Oats or had shit reasons to join Oats wagon. Koshi is also not out of the realm of possibility to be your partner. HF less likely. If you flip town, I think there's probably some white-knighting from someone. I actually think HF is more likely to be town than Koshi. So nothing changed from that post? Okay....
I made that post like 15 minutes ago asshole
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On December 14 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote: Ls you aren't the slightest bit concerned at the oats wagon forming this quickly yet every other game you play and this happens you say something. What gives?
Yo pls don't be buddying me because I think you've made a few really good points and I would be sad if you were mafia.
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I take no credit for that lynch but I am most pleasantly surprised by the outcome
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This is actually quite interesting. Whoever said Oats was AFK'ing not to implicate his partners was diggity right.
I'll have to do some rereading later tonight
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On December 14 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote: Koshi is town. Mafia was lynched D1. That's how we roll.
Now. I still stick to my 4 names.
But why were you so mad df? I just don't understand. You are obvious town. But still so angry.
I said a million times I am fine with this lynch because we are lynching the 3 people I think are mafia.
Kinda knew it seeing Oats awake so late :D
I'm mad because this dude who moans 24/7 about how bad he is and cry cry cry had the audacity to claim the my reading comprehension was laughably bad.
You of all people should know how aggravating it is to have people question your alpha status
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On December 14 2017 05:38 Conversion wrote: I am also happy you, DF, and Koshi failed. and whoever else
Tbf Koshi didn't try at all and I didn't have time.
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