On December 15 2017 01:28 Kmatt wrote:
I'm still keeping up but probably can't post much for the next 8hrs or so.
Are you going to be more active during D2? I'm still keeping up but probably can't post much for the next 8hrs or so.
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On December 15 2017 01:28 Kmatt wrote: Are you going to be more active during D2? I'm still keeping up but probably can't post much for the next 8hrs or so. | ||
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I don't think it's impossible that there could be 2 scum left, I'm not sure what the usual number is for 14-player games. | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:23 Kmatt wrote: Or HolyFlareHot dog! I figured Grack would be a default lynch by virtue of being so afk, but what a hit! At this point I think the safest course of action is to lynch Palmar. If he's red we win, and if he's really a cop then Forumite is on the chopping block. Only other option would be if he was a VT claiming for who knows what reason (I've seen this unfortunately). Or is it possible to have four scum players? Palmar, could you clarify your check? | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:44 Conversion wrote: Yes, but you don't get read of red/green, but of same/different alignment. So Palmar seems to be saying that I and HF are different alignmentswait so parity cop checks TWO people in one night? not one person one night, one person next night? | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:48 Conversion wrote: We don´t know, if you google Parity cop then that´s the rule on MafiaWiki, but Damdred could play it some other way in this game. Closed setup. ohhhhhhh. okay. I thought parity cop can only check one person this night, and then another person next night woops | ||
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##vote HolyFlare | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:18 Palmar wrote: I don´t like to remind people but I was the one who called attention to Oats which lead to him getting lynched D1. Why do you feel that I´m a good D2 lynch? Are you saying I pushed a scumbuddy under no pressure at all in order to save Conversion? Is this a weird plan to gain town cred or is Conversion scum too? I don´t get it, please explain. Show nested quote + On December 15 2017 07:05 Kmatt wrote: So we can't make any concrete rulings from a single night's scan. It's even possible that all three are green. This is gonna boil down to whether or not HF can produce anything to back up his own cop claim. Still think we should lynch the three of you. If it turns out to be a triple green flip and Arya was the scum or something I'll eat my shoe. yes, it could be the forumite is wrong, hf is random and prplhz is correct. I still think we should lynch forumite. there's a 50% chance (assuming prplhz is town) that I simply have a correct red check on him, and additionally he hasn't claimed a role so even if it's just wrong and he flips town (which tells us nothing about hf), hf can have an additional day to explain his thing. Palmars reads are too unsure. All three could be townies. I think we should wait until a second round of reads from Palmar/HolyFlare, and until then play without relying on blues. ##Unvote | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:36 Holyflare wrote: Palmar gets 3 checks, but none of them are reliable. He needs a second round of checks, preferably at the same people, and even then its not certain to give results. Your power is actually more reliable, although it takes an extra day to use. We've had 2 normal roles rber and gf and a vig shot and you're a non standard cop that gets 3 checks in one night? Not going to believe that. | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:40 Palmar wrote: Back to square one. Show nested quote + On December 15 2017 07:40 Forumite wrote: On December 15 2017 07:36 Holyflare wrote: Palmar gets 3 checks, but none of them are reliable. He needs a second round of checks, preferably at the same people, and even then its not certain to give results. Your power is actually more reliable, although it takes an extra day to use. We've had 2 normal roles rber and gf and a vig shot and you're a non standard cop that gets 3 checks in one night? Not going to believe that. he unclaimed. | ||
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Both confirmed scum had very few posts, but both talked a lot about Palmar, especially early game. Oats got on the early Palmar-wagon to which grack said scum might try to distance themselves from other scum. When Oats wagon got speed Grack stayed away and said Palmar was a better lynch, but that wagon had allready halted. It might be nothing, WIFOM, maybe them being starstruck and focusing, and we should probably wait for Palmars N2 checks, but something I noticed rereading with focus on Oats+Grack. | ||
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On December 15 2017 09:08 Arya321 wrote: That was the thing, the thing I found. I just told you. Show nested quote + On December 15 2017 08:42 Forumite wrote: WIFOM but still: Both confirmed scum had very few posts, but both talked a lot about Palmar, especially early game. Oats got on the early Palmar-wagon to which grack said scum might try to distance themselves from other scum. When Oats wagon got speed Grack stayed away and said Palmar was a better lynch, but that wagon had allready halted. It might be nothing, WIFOM, maybe them being starstruck and focusing, and we should probably wait for Palmars N2 checks, but something I noticed rereading with focus on Oats+Grack. What you found from rereading with focus on Oats+Grack? You haven't told us yet Both have few posts, both talk about Palmar a lot. I don't have a quote-list right now. | ||
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On December 15 2017 09:23 Arya321 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2017 09:22 Kmatt wrote: I just checked myself, both Grack and Oats were openly taking shots at each other when they graced us with theit presence. Additionally, Palmar was one of the only other things they both talked about. It could still be that Palmar was their ideal first mislynch, but depending on how this roleclaim fiasco plays out it's quite possible Palmar was the third sum player and they decided to try playing super-insular as opposed to distancing themselves. Would it be funny as hell if the scum team bussed each other in that fashion lmao. It's possible. You're scum lurking away, see town lynching eachother, then notice people talking about your scumbuddy and you choose that post to reply to, because people pushing your scum buddies interest you. WIFOM but possible | ||
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On December 15 2017 14:49 Koshi wrote: Good callShow nested quote + On December 07 2017 02:15 Damdred wrote: Setup: Closed setup, any number of roles can be present as long as they fall within criteria. Hint: The criteria will be normal type roles that would generally be in normal games. Can you guys read the hint ##vote Palmar | ||
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On December 15 2017 18:42 Palmar wrote: I like how his case on me hasn't changed since D1. Here's a list of people I think have a realistic chance of flipping mafia: Holyflare Eversince Forumite The list of people who probably are town but it's weak: Conversion Kmatt LS And here's the list of people who are highly likely to be town: Koshi VE prplhz the wildcard is, as always, Chez. His 3 checks could all be townies, so there's an out there if we lynch 3 times. I'm not 100% sure on HF though, but he looks much better than Palmar after this claim circus. | ||
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On December 15 2017 20:25 VisceraEyes wrote: 3rd Party? Oh you were claiming third party with your non-claim. I get it now. You're a pleasure Palmar, I'm sorry we didn't get along for so long. | ||
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On December 15 2017 21:21 Palmar wrote: Said anything? I've done something, I got Oats lynched. It might have bern with support from town and against lurking scum, but are you really implying I bussed a scumbuddy for the hell of it? Sure, it happens, but is that what you accuse me of? Show nested quote + On December 15 2017 21:09 Forumite wrote: On December 15 2017 18:42 Palmar wrote: I like how his case on me hasn't changed since D1. Here's a list of people I think have a realistic chance of flipping mafia: Holyflare Eversince Forumite The list of people who probably are town but it's weak: Conversion Kmatt LS And here's the list of people who are highly likely to be town: Koshi VE prplhz the wildcard is, as always, Chez. His 3 checks could all be townies, so there's an out there if we lynch 3 times. I'm not 100% sure on HF though, but he looks much better than Palmar after this claim circus. The case doesn't change because you can't change actions that happened in the past. However, if I was a betting man I'd actually pick Eversince as my #1 chance of hitting mafia. You did put the first vote down on Oats. While that may have simply been bad luck by you (as mafia) that it took off, it does give me some hesitation about your alignment. You've still not said anything that particularly makes me think you're town, but of the three people in the scummy part of town you'd at the moment be my last pick to be lynched. | ||
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If there is a vigi, you should probably claim. | ||
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On December 16 2017 06:02 Palmar wrote: Is there any truth to your pleas? They haven´t helped town any, just muddled up D2 and made sure that you are the lynch. It doesn´t even make sense from a town perspective, you claimed cop during the night, putting a huge target on yourself. That wouldn´t have been a problem if you were a 1-shot vig with the Roleblocker dead, except at the time you say you thought you had unlimited shots. If you thought you could just keep shooting then why paint a huge target on yourself by claiming DT? Also, you are usually so confident with your ability to find scum, so you would throw away that and your blue ability by claiming. Did you expect the WIFOM and confusion of claiming to confuse scum enough to shoot someone else? It makes more sense that you are scum and claimed blue because you wanted town-cred and were not afraid of getting shot during the night. Then after Grack flipped you became desperate or lost interest in the game and just went crazy with claiming several different roles. Show nested quote + On December 16 2017 00:33 Holyflare wrote: You weren't sure until now if you were multi shot vig so you claimed cop at night to bait out getting shot so you were clear instead of being the lynch? *clap* I admit I may have had better ideas. But that does not change the truth value of my plea for innocence! | ||
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On December 16 2017 07:26 prplhz wrote: Grack could have been killed by a lurking townie that haven´t gone online yet, or a townie with multiple shots who doesn´t feel like claiming. Why claim to save scummy Palmar when town is on its way to lynch him allready? That just draws attention to a blue. Not likely but possible. Or maybe Palmar shot his scumbuddy after Grack got tired of the game. Scum Palmar makes more sense with the play during D1, Palmar chainsaw defending Oats without even reading Oats filter, and later claiming he was on the Oats lynch. It´s a huge mess, Palmar really isn´t helping and I´m not going to leave him be. Show nested quote + On December 16 2017 06:36 Forumite wrote: On December 16 2017 06:02 Palmar wrote: Is there any truth to your pleas? They haven´t helped town any, just muddled up D2 and made sure that you are the lynch. It doesn´t even make sense from a town perspective, you claimed cop during the night, putting a huge target on yourself. That wouldn´t have been a problem if you were a 1-shot vig with the Roleblocker dead, except at the time you say you thought you had unlimited shots. If you thought you could just keep shooting then why paint a huge target on yourself by claiming DT? Also, you are usually so confident with your ability to find scum, so you would throw away that and your blue ability by claiming. Did you expect the WIFOM and confusion of claiming to confuse scum enough to shoot someone else? It makes more sense that you are scum and claimed blue because you wanted town-cred and were not afraid of getting shot during the night. Then after Grack flipped you became desperate or lost interest in the game and just went crazy with claiming several different roles. On December 16 2017 00:33 Holyflare wrote: You weren't sure until now if you were multi shot vig so you claimed cop at night to bait out getting shot so you were clear instead of being the lynch? *clap* I admit I may have had better ideas. But that does not change the truth value of my plea for innocence! Really How does it make more sense that Palmar is mafia? Then where on earth did the Grackaroni shot come from? If that´s not enough, then lynch him for lying, Palmar has lied to town repeatedly with his weird claims, and there is no clear reason why a townie would do this. If he really is a Vigi, then claim that during the night, or keep quiet and keep the blue role safe. Or what, Palmar is a player who likes to mess up for his own team, so we should ignore everything he does and hope he´s green? Or Palmar got a bad start of the game and lost interest, deciding that shooting his scumbuddy might be fun. His play today looks like he´s throwing the game. | ||
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On December 16 2017 08:25 prplhz wrote: Come one LightningStrike, how many times have you read Palmar and thought "What on earth is this man even DOING?" only for him to be town? 9 out of 10 times? So if a player is impossible to read we leave him be? Even when he´s been caught defending scum, messing up discussion and derailing the whole D2? I don´t see Vigi-Palmar, I see a desperate scum that is trying anything that might work. I can´t explain the Grack shot, but that doesn´t make Palmar a confirmed Vigi. | ||
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