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On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town.
What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika?
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On January 08 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:15 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote: [quote]
Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town. What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika? " If I was you that's what I would be thinking if I was town" If he was in ika's shoes and he was town then that is what he would be thinking. The first part of the sentence is the reason why it looks detached or w/e.
I'm still not seeing it. KSC might be referring to SW (who he is responding to) with that part but ika? No.
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On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute.
Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play.
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Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions.
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On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix
This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character.
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On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game.
I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you.
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On January 08 2017 03:58 Vivax wrote: Yea Calix is a whip swinging vixen this game
What does this mean exactly?
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On January 08 2017 03:59 beentheredonethat wrote: So. After having a glimpse on Calix' filter, I think it's very easy to give a town pass here. Calix is cleary giving insights on read development, feels pissed about people not really playing the game and is actively chasing scum.
To make things easier for me, I will townread her right now without going too deep into filter diving. Seeing the current votecount, we're not consolidated. That's a fine thing but we should end up with two main wagons.
Soooo being the lazy town here, are there any cases on anyone?
Read Vivax/ Grack/ Boston/ KSC/ ME's filters as those are the main scum-reads that people have.
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On January 08 2017 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:45 Calix wrote: Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions. That wasn't really my point. I'm concerned with how much of a circle jerk the thread is when there's a good chance that Swika is wrong on a lot of things. It's hard for me to pick out scum from sheep if everyone's opinion follows their sentiment.
I don't think this is as much of a bad thing as you make it out to be re; D1. It's a step up from a thread where nobody trusts each other, turns on each other and it turns out to be a bunch of bored townies at the end of it.
I am definitely not referencing a particular game I played here xD
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On January 08 2017 04:02 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:59 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game. I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you. Basically, this is also a problem of recipient/sender of the message. I received your sentence as very rude and even disruptive.
I've actually been very nice this game. I don't think I've even called someone a retard yet.
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On January 08 2017 04:02 Vivax wrote: Been tempted a few times to put the thought out there that we might be dealing with an active, disruptive mafia (Calix), but then that thought shouldn't be pursued too early, especially by me or I end up tinfoiling the entire game. So it's a thought on hold maybe I'll find something positive to take from her posts at some point. For now she doesn't look sheepable to me.
I think for today I would be content with a PL on ME, otherwise I still have my eyes on Kelsier and DF mostly as I might have been onto something at the start of the day, but today I feel like shit and am lazy to go dig for something and make a case, to be completely honest.
What makes you think that?
It would be good if you could expand on your reads at some point.
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Activity isn't AI for me, it's just a thing.
I'm not a fan of the reads I've gotten. BTDT unnecessarily bringing up another game, then backing down when I refused to talk about it doesn't sit well with me.
However your read (that you're not explaining) is also off because of the timing of BTDT's. He posted a town-read of me and then you said after that "Calix might be mafia" with no backing so yeah, I want the read pls.
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On January 08 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:13 Calix wrote: Activity isn't AI for me, it's just a thing.
I'm not a fan of the reads I've gotten. BTDT unnecessarily bringing up another game, then backing down when I refused to talk about it doesn't sit well with me.
However your read (that you're not explaining) is also off because of the timing of BTDT's. He posted a town-read of me and then you said after that "Calix might be mafia" with no backing so yeah, I want the read pls. I was pissed at the hosts of the other game. You are one of the hosts of the other game. This is why I didn't play this game. I also came back because I had confirmed this very game here. As you called me out on saying exactly the above, I wanted to remind you that you are one of the hosts of the very game I was pissed about, meaning that you should know that I am speaking the truth and not making up some lame bullshit about why I wasn't there for the majority of D1. I'm afraid that wasn't clear. If you have any questions, ask.
If you have a legit problem then take it to PMs instead of talking about it in the game thread of a different game.
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You're starting to get on my tits here. You keep bringing it back to this topic instead of just...talking about something game-relevant...
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On January 08 2017 04:23 Calix wrote: You're starting to get on my tits here. You keep bringing it back to this topic instead of just...talking about something game-relevant...
Instead of responding to this, just give a read or something.
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On January 08 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
now onto something i want everyone to answer
are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? -yes -off and on about 2 years -I have played a couple at Mafia Universe and a few at SC2 -It depends on the gamestate, my role, etc. -I like to look for motivation in posts and I also check for a few other things I'd like to keep to myself for now, I do both townhunt and scumhunt in most games -I know Calix from SC2, she's a good player but I've only played in like 2-3 games so I can't say I can read her well, I know ika very well and am usually accurate in reading him when he's town, if he's scum it might take me a little longer to figure him out What's townhunt
Looking for townies as opposed to scum, typically for POE.
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On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that
Is this implying a scum-read?
Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off.
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On January 08 2017 04:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Is this implying a scum-read? Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off. Yea no I have plenty of content going and all you do is focus on the one I don't decide on expanding on and won't for my own reasons which are explained. You could talk about anything in my filter but if you only ever choose to pick the stuff I don't want to talk about, you're not going to get a reply.
If you don't want to expand on it then why bring it up in the first place? You've already seen how well that worked when Grack did something similar.
FMPOV it looks like you made that read on me to doubt-cast given that it was posted after BTDT gave me a town-read and then you said that his KSC read was bad also. That's why I want to know your reasoning.
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On January 08 2017 04:46 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:43 Grackaroni wrote:This guy could be scum. On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote: Vivax I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town On January 07 2017 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:29 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task. I'm doing this because my read isn't based off of any one post. I find the task stupid. And if you show your quotes for silverwolf being town then I will show why I think so by applying the exact same things you say to Vivax. Anything that you can say to call her townie could be equally applied to him. It doesn't look great that he's joining in on this when he had the exact same general non post based read on Vivax as I had. He should have been able to understand by predicament! On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game. could you see them being scum as a team where kmatt is trying to coach him on what to do and stop the fight with me?
Scummers have constant chat on this site so I'm not sold on that reasoning. Not to mention that making pre-flips is bad play. Do you think the Kmatt point stands regardless of Vivax?
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