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On April 11 2016 05:33 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 05:08 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 00:37 Race Bannon wrote: ##Vote: Shapelog
For not updating the players list and important posts info.
Have you caught up yet? What are your thoughts on Art since you voted him last second. Too scummy to be scum. I think he's town and I'll be taking the piss out of him a lot reminding him of this game. My scumreads are LS Damdred and a lurker.
Can you elaborate on what too scummy to be scum means?
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On April 11 2016 05:45 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 05:37 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 05:33 Race Bannon wrote:On April 11 2016 05:08 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 00:37 Race Bannon wrote: ##Vote: Shapelog
For not updating the players list and important posts info.
Have you caught up yet? What are your thoughts on Art since you voted him last second. Too scummy to be scum. I think he's town and I'll be taking the piss out of him a lot reminding him of this game. My scumreads are LS Damdred and a lurker. Can you elaborate on what too scummy to be scum means? His cred for once? Everything GB said seems to be true. I know I'm town. He's townreading who I think is probscum and largely ignoring the lurkers. He's done everything wrong, I don't think scum would go full derp like that. And the thing about townreading CH it's ridiculous how he insists on slicing it up and viewing the pieces independently and out of context. Defending LS with meta that he dphimself denounced and now this naive assertion of LS's attempt to get me lynched being genuine and town. My last second vote was due to me being overwhelmed and my tablet clumsiness. I was stuxk with the notion of having to choose between RB and him, didn't evwn register the push on TW until after I pseudo-voted
Now couldn't it just be that 1: ART is town, in a t v t situation. Can you elaborate on everything he has done wrong in a case? He has been reading you as scummy for a while now. Even since day one. Cases against your top scum suspects will really help us as a town. Kind of important since you are being implicated as scum from a few of us and haven't really offered anything of value to the table.
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Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him.
guys/gals we are not going to lose today -- The case against Artanis.
On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote: I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. 1. Now this is fucking nitpicking but if you follow his filter you’ll see this; notice how in the above he says With the people not “with how many.” Implying he knows something more than a town would = who is town and who are his SCUM buddies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that he just caused a ML after tunneling in on a townie that he was so confident was scum (read his filter from D1 if you have any doubts on his thought process that day.) Why would it matter if GB was not there to defend himself, which would be best case scenario to lynch a mafia member when they can’t even talk their way out of it. Read GB’s case again on the matter:
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote: Art, is pretty simple why you're scum. You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel) But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia. The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos. To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing 2. This follows that Artanis had a clear intention to set up his lynch targets from the very beginning. Race gets set up and has been poked by Artanis throughout most of this game:
On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning. Obviously D1 early callout means nothing, but it is like that movie with Will Smith where they set the gambler guy to pick a certain number by placing that number in plain sight for the whole week before hand. In this case Art has done it with GB and Race.
3.Read his response to GB’s case – spoilers because its long, well planned, and trys to counter every single point: + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. Going to just pull out one part:
So who are we lynching? Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
Everything about his process is methodical, planned, and leading us to misslynch our town. So many posts about RB.
On April 10 2016 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fidei what's your current read on RB? 4. Everyone read this post:
On April 10 2016 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote: Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario... Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys. This is so NOT something a townie would do. Why would a town basically say its ok to misslynch them. He should be pushing GB super hard right now to make sure his top scum suspect gets the noose. But he doesn't have to here because I ended up doing that for him through my own bad reads and wanting the town to consolidate for once.
5. Backpeddling to fall back on when GB flips town:
On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf 5. After the ML: On April 10 2016 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow. Doesn't followup because he doesn't need to make sense of it for us. It DOESN'T as a town. Period. On April 11 2016 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more. 6. Back on RB. No other analysis on anyone else. Has barely talked about DYH or Dam, and only slightly on TW and LS because he was forced too.
In Summary A. Picks out GB and RB D1 B. Eod1 shenns, doesn’t lynch his top scum C. Calm after ML, perfect response to criticisms D. Back to focusing on GB D2 E. Backpedals near lynch deadline F. N2 Doesn't care about ML, at least in terms of trying to make sense of it and content -- keeping the town muddled and in the dark. G. N2/D3 back to RB push that he set up from the beginning Artanis is mafia. lynch today and we can move forward. Artanis is not demonstrating any sort of read progressions or deviations from his thoughts since the beginning of the game. IT IS FOLLOWING A PLAN. He is scum and needs to die.
P.S: also read TW's case against him: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote: Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it.
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On April 12 2016 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We had to put my dog to sleep today. Don't count on me doing much.
Fuck man. I'm so so sorry.
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On April 12 2016 11:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look. I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_- Right, we all kind of tunneled in on him. Art made a pretty persuasive case.
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Art you say your are calm but you are not really -- pretty emotional in that response to my post. And now I'm suddenly one of your top scum picks because I'm actually voting a mafia instead of pushing a player who will flip town.
Guys Art is scum, RB probably town given this scenario.
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@Race why do you think Art is pushing you so hard? He has been from the beginning. Get you misslynched and win.
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On April 13 2016 01:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 00:26 Gossemerr wrote: Art you say your are calm but you are not really -- pretty emotional in that response to my post. And now I'm suddenly one of your top scum picks because I'm actually voting a mafia instead of pushing a player who will flip town.
Guys Art is scum, RB probably town given this scenario. Well yeah, I've never been mislynched before and the potential of getting mislynched gets me going, especially if it's not for very good reasons. You're not going to lynch me this game, for I am not mafia. I've detailed plenty of reasons throughout the thread. Also, townreading RB from an unflipped association that is also wrong is awful. Don't worry you are not going to be misslynched now
This is a game of associations. Mine on RB will be fine when you flip red.
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Also where the hell is everyone.
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On April 13 2016 03:52 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 00:28 Gossemerr wrote: @Race why do you think Art is pushing you so hard? He has been from the beginning. Get you misslynched and win. I'm not seeing how a more stealthy approach would've been less incriminating. @Art Do you think Kura's recent ahoy in activity is scummy?
Right, I'm asking: do you agree that Art is our lynch today?
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On April 13 2016 04:01 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 03:53 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 03:52 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 00:28 Gossemerr wrote: @Race why do you think Art is pushing you so hard? He has been from the beginning. Get you misslynched and win. I'm not seeing how a more stealthy approach would've been less incriminating. @Art Do you think Kura's recent ahoy in activity is scummy? Right, I'm asking: do you agree that Art is our lynch today? Help me lynch LS, Kura or Damdred FFS!
We need to lynch mafia or we lose. Art is def scum.
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TW/LS/Dam where are your thoughts?
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On April 13 2016 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 04:19 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 04:01 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 03:53 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 03:52 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 00:28 Gossemerr wrote: @Race why do you think Art is pushing you so hard? He has been from the beginning. Get you misslynched and win. I'm not seeing how a more stealthy approach would've been less incriminating. @Art Do you think Kura's recent ahoy in activity is scummy? Right, I'm asking: do you agree that Art is our lynch today? Help me lynch LS, Kura or Damdred FFS! We need to lynch mafia or we lose. Art is def scum. Where is your certainty coming from?
You are too good of a player to be leading us this poorly. And everything in my case. +GB's case +TW's little case
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You didn't have emotion until today with the new heat on you. Why would you check CH and not GB your top scum pick?
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also lol @ cherrypicking.. its not like you are going to come out and say that you are scum. everything just adds up that way
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CH was looking pretty town. HF leading as town would have been fine. Find scum is cop's top job. You coould have check CH N2 or pushed a lynch on him D2 instead of GB. You were so confident in GB scum that you didnt want to N1 check him?
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ok this is fucking dumb. its just me and you arguing T v S with nobody else contributing. I'm the actual cop and I left the crumbs: why couldn't you get someone else to claim the role lol. Anyways can we lynch Art now and move on. I'll die next night but at least you guys can live another day.
On April 11 2016 05:36 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:34 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, so RB's whole game appears to be "LS called CH town and was right, and his reasons were bad, so he's mafia".
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LS is ALWAYS BAD in most people's eyes. I don't know why I have to explain this to people still. I've said this like ten times.
The thing I really don't get about RB's push on LS, however, is how he hasn't interacted really with anyone else on it - especially not me. If I was *that* sure someone was mafia, and there was another playing posting incessantly negative things about my target, I'd be hitting them up for support.
That was tortured, but yeah ... I'm starting to dig the Race mafia case. My early read on him was based mostly on his picking out bf early as town, from a crowded field, for reasons that looked good after the fact. But since the middle of day 1 ish, his weird LS tunnel has me concerned. Can you share more about this. On specifically LS v. RB. Placing your vote only on LS now? LSseems to be pretty tuned out at the moment like you have commented on before. Too many close wagons from these past two lynches. Off the top of my head it feels like we have a few vocal players: Art, Fidei, myself, - LS sorta. One liners. What kind of scares me is that nobody really is saying anything about me being wrong on GB. Now I pushed GB super hard and was totally wrong, which I could imagine probably looks scummy to some in this game? from my N1 analysis post I still think that one of LS, GB, Fidei, or Dam is scum. I wish Fidei was more consistent around the EoD instead of bringing up new lynch candidates, RE: spika, as he is the most vocal *likely town* right now. @ Fidei what are your thoughts on Art now that GB flipped town? C O P LS T O O W N N1
On April 11 2016 07:02 Gossemerr wrote: Now couldn't it just be that 1: ART is town, in a t v t situation. Can you elaborate on everything he has done wrong in a case? He has been reading you as scummy for a while now. Even since day one. Cases against your top scum suspects will really help us as a town. Kind of important since you are being implicated as scum from a few of us and haven't really offered anything of value to the table.
N 1 ART C H E C K (yeah fucked up it was N2)
On April 12 2016 02:11 Gossemerr wrote: Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him.
N 2 C O P A R T MAFIA
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On April 13 2016 06:11 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyways, I'm an idiot, but I'm also the cop. The idiot part because I ended up greenchecking CHodge N1 (believed he was HF and if it was he could definitely be scum and crush us all) and greenchecked RB N2 which is stupid because I want to lynch him anyway. His play lines up well with being a godfather in the sense that he's been very abrasive, basically inviting people to check him.
Can we please lynch someone not me and not immediately lose the game AND cause my first mislynch ever? That would be nice. Oh wow. I was betting that Damdy was the blue.. I must rethink my life.
hes not, just claiming to try and save himself. w.e. just lynch and try to figure out the last two
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Also from that post you can see i checked LS who was my top scum suspect at the time. came back town. so he could be town with small chance at being the godfather
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On April 13 2016 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wow, you're good at capitalizing random letters in your posts.
lol look at the time points, and the speed at which i just did that after you posted. fuck off
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