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On March 02 2016 06:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 06:15 Felkyr wrote: So Sentinel, did you look into Spikey? What do you think?
I just want to point out that I reread Sentinel's filter and despite his recent activity there are still absolutely no reads. He is 'looking into people' but he hasn't come out with any real attempt to solve the game. He just voted the other wagon for no good reason (isn't that convenient). Despite the pressure he isn't trying. His responses to Kush's questions were also bad. Most of what he is saying is 'I would bus but I don't know who mafia is right now so I don't know who I would bus'.
Regarding Spike, he's been doing better these last 24 hours than before, but still can't conclude much. I'm not going to promise anything I can't deliver. What I can say is that kush's team is in the green, which as you can see is a judgment I promised to make (regarding kush, not his towniness). Still wondering about you but qob seems green to me as well. My responses were bad because the questions were bad. "If you were mafia who'd you shoot. No, who'd you shoot right now? No forget their alignment, who'd you shoot?" If I could vote for myself this game I would, just for that. kush is still town tho, just not the best at asking questions. Now, regarding my vote. You're absolutely right. The thing is, I've looked at this game and can't find any conclusive scums at the moment. If I had to say my two reddest reads right now, it would be cow/damdy (mostly due to cow, partially due to inactivity), and Rels/Race which is kind of a stretch because I kinda like the former but not the latter. I'll have to look at Rels at some point. Or maybe I won't if you people kill me. Then I'll fuck off and hope the next game turns out better than this one for me. Now one of those happens to have a wagon on it. More importantly, its main competition which is currently winning is the team that includes me. Since I obviously can't scumhunt when I'm dead, the next best option is to not be dead. So I'm voting for my tenuous scumread because it's better than no scumread at all.
Where is Marv?
On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote: Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good. Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all.
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On March 02 2016 06:37 sandroba wrote: I went to the trouble to read sentinel's filter again and honestly there is nothing there that makes me think he is mafia and a few things that make me think he is town. Damdy's FF theory is all fine and dandy, but honestly it is just a theory that COULD explain FF's inactivity, not a reason to vote someone Sent's vote on him wasn't oportunistic at all, he was simply aplying the metrics damdy himself told us he used to find mafia. The few posts FF does have do not look like a mafia saving face.
Cow in the other hand the few posts he does have DO look like he is trying to save face. And damdy's posts do not convince me in the slightest he is town, on the contrary, it looks to me he is trying to say the things we want to hear (his thoughts on his reads are very superfical and his reasoning is very shallow) and go for the easy target FF.
I really think we are making a mistake if we let this one slide, I don't think we can expect day 1 to get better than this.
Can you tell me what is town about Sentinel's post?
I am NOT against a TheCow lynch, but at the moment I still believe a Sentinel lynch is better. FF being here might change that.
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On March 02 2016 07:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 06:51 Felkyr wrote:Oh, is that going after Koshi? I assumed that 'going after' means he thinks Koshi is scum and is pushing him. There is no pushing at all in these posts. Just some aggressive defending. I don't like these posts at all. In any case, Sandroba you should let Sentinel speak for himself. The reason I am interested in this is because: On March 02 2016 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:23 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Killed that exam. I'm fucking amazing at number theory. Anyways let's see what people are saying about my favorite player in the game. So let's first look at the accusations provided by Felkyr: + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. On March 01 2016 23:56 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote: I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it. Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed? I can actually address these in tandem. I may in fact be the evil scum you think I am, but let's look at this through another lens: You see, I'm kinda dumb. I act before I think a lot. Personally I think it makes for an excellent game of mafia. It makes people open to say things they wouldn't otherwise say. It's a little like drunken kung fu. Anyways, my simple explanation for my thought process is this: 1. I see accusations levied against Koshi, namely his early D1 trolling. 2. I recall games I've played (and hosted) where he's done this. Can't think of a single time where he's been jovial and scum. I express these sentiments. 3. Marv points out a game where he did this and was in fact scum. I think to myself, "Well let's see what the trend is, because I'm definitely right and need to prove it". 4. I look up a phrase that signifies this kind of mood: "totes town". I see mostly town Koshi using it. 5. I compare this with the amount of times Koshi's been scum - oh wait, he hasn't been scum a lot. I pull up the numbers to get the exact percentages. This isn't as intensive as you make it out to be btw - just open up any text editor that shows line numbers and see what your line count is. Then post that number in the thread. The number of scum games is much easier to count manually of course, since there's only 7 of them. On March 01 2016 22:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @SENT what is he hiding? Just the fact that he's scum or something more to this? Referring to qob. I'm still unsure at this point. Half of me just wanted to pressure him into doing something other than him building the Holland Tunnel on me. I'm actually getting a greener read on him now that I have no idea where the hell my partner is (he isn't in the QT either, hasn't been since last month) so I kinda understand where it's coming from. On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore. I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote: Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote: [quote] why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too. By the way, check this post out. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that marv is setting himself up so that if and when I flip green (not necessarily today), he looks like he was on my side all along with the soft defense, but still having enough stuff to say "Well it's his own fault we lynched him, he was acting suspicious". Not enough for me to make a judgment on its own, but I'm leaning pretty red on marv. Marv isn't voting you right now though. Since FF isn't here, you have to vote for your team. Who is scum and who is town? I do it as scum all the time. If I fuck up, the wagon on me intensifies, marv puts his vote elsewhere and gets to stay neutral. If I don't fuck up, then the vote goes somewhere that isn't marv. I'm going to take a look at Spikasaur as well but by marv alone that team doesn't look any good.Also going to look at some other teams. Namely kush's team because it's been under my radar for some reason and sandroba because it'll help me see if qob is town after all. So he obviously has a scum read on Marv. But that scum read just disappeared now and there is absolutely no mention of it in his previous posts. Why? Can't be just because of Spikasaur. I don't like this at all... Ha d. Couldn't find any further evidence aside from his leanings on me and that one Koshi post. I made mention here: Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 04:02 Rels wrote:On March 02 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:39 marvellosity wrote:On March 02 2016 02:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 02:29 marvellosity wrote:sentinel really making me want to tunnel him to oblivion Go ahead, it'll make your filter look nicer. so in your (apparently townie) world, it looks better if i tunnel a townie rather than look at both sides to discern your alignment? are you for real? By all means, go ahead. It would be way more productive than doing this silly noncommittal bullshit on me. Of course the best option would be actually formulating a strong opinion instead of letting others do it for you. I don't understand your reason for scumreading marv. He has strong opinions; in your case he's more nuanced but it's not a global remark. Someone being not sure about someone else is not scum indicative. After looking through his filter, this is actually true. Really the only points I could make to support my claim outside of anything marv's said about me is that post that Koshi got him for.
Okay, I missed that.
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On March 02 2016 07:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 07:14 Felkyr wrote:On March 02 2016 06:37 sandroba wrote: I went to the trouble to read sentinel's filter again and honestly there is nothing there that makes me think he is mafia and a few things that make me think he is town. Damdy's FF theory is all fine and dandy, but honestly it is just a theory that COULD explain FF's inactivity, not a reason to vote someone Sent's vote on him wasn't oportunistic at all, he was simply aplying the metrics damdy himself told us he used to find mafia. The few posts FF does have do not look like a mafia saving face.
Cow in the other hand the few posts he does have DO look like he is trying to save face. And damdy's posts do not convince me in the slightest he is town, on the contrary, it looks to me he is trying to say the things we want to hear (his thoughts on his reads are very superfical and his reasoning is very shallow) and go for the easy target FF.
I really think we are making a mistake if we let this one slide, I don't think we can expect day 1 to get better than this. Can you tell me what is town about Sentinel's post? I am NOT against a TheCow lynch, but at the moment I still believe a Sentinel lynch is better. FF being here might change that. The fact that you are basing this vote so heavily on my activity is scummy to me. Lurker lynches are heardly ever mafia lynches unless there's very strong meta to support it (marv, vivax, old kush, etc)
I don't know about that. In any case, I am mainly comsidering lynching you because of Sentinel. The reason I might change is not because you are actually here, but because of the things you say while being here.
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On March 02 2016 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote: The main reason I think it's damdred/thecow is that damdred's reasons for scumming me are speculative and based on a meta that doesn't exist. Thecow has been ripped apart by everyone else so I won't go into detail but if the only things damdred has against me are: 1)Never answered question about qob's alignment
2) used words that imply a conclusion about someone's alignment
3) Inactive day 1
Then he's scum or playing very poorly
Can you tell me what your stance is on the other teams? Who is mafia if not Damdred/TheCow? Who are your town-leans?
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I'm just going to sheep some town reads. I'd like to have Koshi's input but fine. I am not sure about Sentinal anymore and TheCow is still the same.
##Unvote ##Vote Team Cownadow
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Okay this is the last post I can make before deadline. Sigh. I'll just sheep the claimed blue.
##Unvote ##Vote: Team Jolly & Awesome Townies
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I have a feeling that VE and Sent can't be on the same mafia team.
The following has been pointed out before but I feel it is not emphasized enough. VE only voted for Rels for about 3 mins, after which he voted for FF/Sent for like 2h before changing his vote back to Rels towards the EOD when there was a wagon by both Damdred and myself. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2016 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team Jolly & Awesome Townies 3 mins later: On March 02 2016 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team Anal Prolapse 2 h later: On March 02 2016 09:04 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Team Jolly & Awesome Townies
So this is not really correct (or at least doesn't capture the full situation):
On March 03 2016 04:50 sandroba wrote: I think the mafia is probably Anal and OMGUS. TT looks a lot townier than both. There is no comment whatsoever (or any analysis of team anal on VE's part) on the possibility of ever voting team ANAL. He simply goes directly to team cow -> considers voting TT for a split second -> vote Rels for no apparent reason.
I know this is a bit of an associative read but I'm finding it hard to see a world where team ANAL is not mafia.
VE, why did you so quickly change your vote from Rels to FF/Sent without ANY mention in the thread?
Note that his vote on Rels kinda fits his story and perspective from these points (he was doing a read through of TT his filter because he thought he was scum, see previous conversation between Marv and VE):
On March 02 2016 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay I'm mostly caught up.
Ticktock, you should talk to me about Rels. I understand that you think I'm mafia, but at least you should understand where my initial suspicious comes from, as you should know your meta better than most and should know that I wasn't far off in thinking something was amiss. I'm taking the time to respond to you specifically because in spite of how it pains me, I think you're town. And I'm town.
So talk to me about Rels. He's going a long way to white-knight you here and frankly it looks horrible to me. He claims I haven't done anything but push you, but he hasn't done anything but push me right? He claims my reads don't evolve with the thread, and his read on me has been adamant in spite of my multiple attempts to explain my (perfectly sound and logical TOWN) reasoning.
Tell me: why do you think I'm suspicious but not Rels? Is it REALLY only because I voted for you an hour into D1?
On March 02 2016 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It occurred to me that perhaps Rels was just mafia fanning what he thought could be a Town on Town shitfest, and then pieces just started falling into place. Like, I don't know what you want me to tell you marv, I don't know how many different ways I can say "I changed my mind in that time"
So VE did vote Sent/FF for a long time (even when he could still vote Damdred because he hadn't claimed yet). Why did he do that if they are both mafia? Also, this interaction does not look like scum-scum to me:
On March 02 2016 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 09:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 02 2016 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 02 2016 08:49 sandroba wrote: Nevermind TT, I just reread his filter and I'm back to being unsure on him. His cow comments can be interpreted as him being on the fence, but having a town lean on damdy, so it could make sense.
Please explain to me the case on Rels. Basically it's OMGUS from me, he's accusing me of everything he's doing, only he's maliciously misrepresenting my actions in this game which is worse. He doesn't care about the lynch, he spent the entirety of today trying to get a lynch on me. I mean, obviously you don't know I'm town but I do. That he's wrong doesn't make him mafia. That he doesn't care if he's wrong or right is what I'm seeing, he's just pushing me to push me, and it doesn't matter what I say or do. But maybe it always feels that way to the guy getting pushed. Wait so you say that On March 02 2016 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Can we get some votes on drunk ass Rels now? And this But your vote is still on FF and me? I just haven't changed it bby calm down. A second ago there was ZERO chance of lynching Rels. There probably still isn't without Sand or marv.
At this point I'm not sure who is town and who is scum, but can they both be scum? I feel like no. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Actually, I would still pick Sent/FF as scum over VE at the moment, so I suppose I agree with Kush's lynch order for now.
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On March 03 2016 22:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 07:55 Felkyr wrote: I'm just going to sheep some town reads. I'd like to have Koshi's input but fine. I am not sure about Sentinal anymore and TheCow is still the same.
##Unvote ##Vote Team Cownadow Felkr, can you explain a little bit what caused this change of heart?
With both Sent and especially FF coming into thread I got unsure about my scumread on them. I also had a scumread on TheCow. I didn't feel comfortable reading Damdred but I relied on Marv and Sandroba's vote/read, which we both had as town at that moment. I thought it would be the better lynch.
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I agree with Shape that it seems unlikely that FF/Sent are mafia with Dam/TheCow. Possible, but unlikely.
I haven't really dived through other filters yet but VE/Tumble is the most obvious choice for mafia here. VE said in thread he would vote Dam/TheCow after his TT tunneling but instead voted on Rels (weird). True, he quickly changed to FF/Sent but that can easily be explained by him realizing Dam/TheCow were getting lynched and that he had to push the other wagon. Once claimed blue, Dam/TheCow started pushing Rels (convenient).
Let's talk about Tumble. Some people said he looks town but look at what he has done so far: he has allegedly gone through everyone's filter and done a lot of work. But he basically concludes everyone is town. Very easy for mafia to find the good posts to call people town. Should he not be reading through these posts to find scum? He should be looking for the scummy posts, not the townie posts. He quickly filled up his filter, trying to look engaged, but hasn't said anything of value so far.
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It's night, we are sleeping. Mafia is killing us in our bed. And we are killing ourselves.
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On March 04 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote: TT. Do you have real reasons for VE to be town?
I want to know this too.
VE you are going to be lynched so if you're town please tell me why and who is scum.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 15:28 Tictock wrote:So I'm not feeling like I have any solid townreads this game. I'm leaning town on Damdred, Kush, Koshi and Rels... mostly kus I feel like they are doing things with purpose and reason, that purpose being to move the game forward. a little less on Marv, but I can take the wait and see approach with him for now I'd like to see a little more from the "newbies" not only for the purposes of reading but also because you guys will get more out of playing actually doing stuff yourself then hiding behind your "vet" player. This includes my own partner ^.^ Having said that, I'm reading Team Innocent as scum with Team OMGUS as the most likely 2nd scum. Team Innocent:Careful, these spoilers are WoT status. Sandroba:This guy's open felt off to me right from the start. I mostly ignored it at the time kus i wanted to see what he would do given some time. + Show Spoiler +Pinged my interest right off with this: On February 29 2016 10:14 sandroba wrote: yo damdred. How do you think we should deal with people that claim blue right before they get lynched? This is such an odd question right off the bat. It looks like sand saw Damdred post, decided to ask him a question, and then thought up a good question to ask. I see no reason for a towny to be worried about how a blue should claim in the first 5 min of the game. The followups from this suggest no actual opinions or thoughts about the game from sand. It's pretty telling that Sand wanted to ask about blues claiming (something mafia cares about more than town should) with Damdred, but had no thoughts on how best to approach reading pairs of people (something town SHOULD care about a lot) On February 29 2016 10:30 sandroba wrote: Had not put much thought into that, but I believe it's optimal to lynch the person we believe the most is mafia should be lynched regarless of how the teamate is behaving. This is also a pretty scummy answer imo, and it's exactly what his partner had been doing, focusing one person. I think we have to consider each team as a slot, and town needs to win by lynching the 2 scum slots. There is no reason to discount half of the info we have on on a slot because one person seems like an easier read than the other. This post is an example of something I tried to call Kita out for in the PyP game, I'm gunna call it "The Red Perspective" or thinking with a mafia mindset. This was in response to Kush asking "why not consider both players" On February 29 2016 11:02 sandroba wrote: Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline. Ofc, both alignments know that Scum want to look like town, but look at the bold. This is not a town mindset at all, this is sand just reversing his scum mindset, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Why? Kus mafia want to look like town, but town want to Solve the Game! So this reasoning is not only flawed but it's flawed because Sand is not looking at the game from a townmindset. This also stuck out as odd to me. On March 01 2016 05:29 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote: And at this point, I don't care! Someone present a better alternative or shut the fuck up! I'll be back later on to see what's happening. BYE!!! Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:24 TheCow wrote: I do not understand the point of the philosophy being posted in this thread. It seems like filler discussion to me.
Sential is sticking out to me. I am reading the slot as scum at this point.
The current meta-ing occurring looks like a dead-end and I do not understand why it is still being pursued.
How many games has Viscera played? Ask and you shall recieve. Cow just made it to my number one suspect based on this post alone. On March 01 2016 05:39 sandroba wrote: His post sounds fake as shit. Says he can't understand the "philosophy" of the thread (w/e that means) and it's mostly filler discussion right when the game is starting to pick up, and his post itselft is filler with no reasoning for anything or any new ideas. The comentary on the meta ignores the fact we are questioning the player who made said meta and dismisses it for no reason. Pretty much as generic filler fake post as you can get. Doesn't sound like a townie interested in people's alignments at all. This completly ignores that Cow is pretty clearly a newbie player and personally I find this explanation pumped up unneccesarily. Was Cow's post filled with tons of reads and great reasoning? No, but it was commenting on the important stuff going on with his opinion and thoughts. I find the bolded line especially forced here, this doesn't look like a read to me at all. It looks like a hastily made and forced read. Sand isn't trying to think about Cow being scum or Town here, he's jumping at something going "look at this scummy thing! lets kill it!" On March 01 2016 06:13 sandroba wrote: Quite an arduous job to read without the filter function, but from the town game I read from him his tone is more inquisitive / tentative / hedging his bets as opposed to more assertive in his mafia game. I gather that Cow and qop played together a bit so Cow sheeping qop's sentinel read does not look as fake as I had thoght. Still, his overall tone looks more in line with his mafia game. Lol points for the big word to make us feel the pain of reading a game without a filter. Also what is this trying to use meta based on 1 post? This was after discussing how VE's use of meta was questionable... He also "gathers" that his partner has played with Cow before, but hasn't spoken to him about their reads? Didn't qod suggest there was nothing scummy about cow based on his own esperience? I just find this whole read really weird. On March 01 2016 11:43 sandroba wrote: Damdy all your post did nothing at all to the game, just took up space =/. And your partner is scummy as shit. Can you provide some amazing insight? On March 01 2016 11:54 sandroba wrote: Damdy, I might be biased here, but the qob town read I believe is pretty obvious. Not saying FF is town, but is that your best hint at a mafia this game? Idk this feels weird to me, like he's accusing Damdred of being scummy kus he thinks Cow is scummy. Worst of all he ignored my question to him. On March 01 2016 08:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 06:13 sandroba wrote: Quite an arduous job to read without the filter function, but from the town game I read from him his tone is more inquisitive / tentative / hedging his bets as opposed to more assertive in his mafia game. I gather that Cow and qop played together a bit so Cow sheeping qop's sentinel read does not look as fake as I had thoght. Still, his overall tone looks more in line with his mafia game. Since you seem fairly convinced Cow is scum. What do you think of Damdred's posting? What did you get from your questions to him at the start of the game? qod:This guy is like a little firecracker. I would kinda like him but I think he's going about stuff in a really scummy way. + Show Spoiler +On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. Funny that he missed FF and UN being partners... idk about this read either I also legit have no idea what he could possibly mean by the bolded line here. UN has literally no mention of qod until he responds to THIS post... also prior to this qod had literally only posted "hello" On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. If this is true, then why didn't you mention that until here? This looks like qob is just confused as to who he is talking about... On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:please read this Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post Is is Shape or Sentinal you are reading dude? On March 01 2016 01:47 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 01:36 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote: Which advice did you think was scummy? please read this On March 01 2016 00:09 Shapelog wrote:On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. So this post right? On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker + 1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). With the follow up of: On February 29 2016 13:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 29 2016 12:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 29 2016 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1 lurker +1 active is definitely a scum trait this game. It's a cheap way to limit information (only have one gut player to go off of) while still having the team participate and influence decisions (second player contributing by QT). Disagree unless it's intentional. I don't think lurking is any scummier than in normal games. 1 active and 1 lurker is less Scummy than 2 lurkers, 2 lurkers is very Scummy because it makes it less likely that the lurking is due to irl, and more likely that it is due to the stresses of being scum. I did mean intentional lurking, but otherwise I actually agree with you. If you look at what I bolded in the 1st quoted post. I admit, there is something weird with the timing of that. Since Team Koshi posted a feel moments before: On February 29 2016 10:44 Koshi wrote: I have decided to not post in this thread but just post in our QT. I am not sure what to think about it tbh. It feels a bit too coincidental that UON mentions a scum trait that fits one teams play style. On the same page. Maybe he was trying to respond to it? But no one was really raising a eye at it and in that case he would post "Team Koshi...." That is the post Qob, how would you compare Sentinel's entry posts to your own teammate, Sandroba, his entry posts? Did you realize FF is Sentinel's partner? Sandroba's entry post? Like, for the thread or the game? No im focusing on Sentinel rn, not this FF person. But... you just... And you were even responding to shape before telling him you didn't like sentinal's post? I'm really confused here now. But here he knows he's talking to two differen't people. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. On March 01 2016 05:35 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 04:42 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 04:39 Queenfestor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2016 04:34 Rels wrote:On February 29 2016 23:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2016 22:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Glancing at Ticktock's last few towngames, his tone is starkly different this game. However in his most recent scumgame he looks more like he's trying to emulate his townplay rather than just not give a fuck.
Ehhhhh. Ima leave it for now. See what they say. Why aren't you distinguishing between joke phase and normal game? TT making those posts 24 hours into day 1 is different from him making them at the start of the game. My thoughts when I read these VE posts. He's reading stuff where there is nothing. Seems like an easy way to appear to do stuff "hey guys I read some games!" that have 0 consequence. well i would go one step further and claim hes behaving obvious since we just said scums are lurking but hell in the end its my team being analysed here How so. Especially when Team Koshi Openly admitted to intentional lurking? They were serious? Many times yes, i know my way around things do not worry. On March 01 2016 05:36 qob wrote: Unlike my partner Team Anal Prolapse is still my main suspect. Unfunny team name might i add.
Like if this was all of qod's filter I'd ask if he's sure he isn't mixing up players here, but given his fighting and pushing with Sentinel later on I can only conclude that he's sure about Sentinel. Yet his whole read on sentinal makes no sense, I can only conclude this is a fake read and the hyper focus on one person is just a tactic to appear engaged and that you believe your read. The problem is, I can't believe Qob's read when I look at it so I find his over-aggression very misplaced and likely fabricated. Team OMGUS:Ok I actually spent a fair bit of time on the last team read I did, so skimping on this one a bit. VE:Jumped all over my obvious trolling at the start of the game by trying to pull out meta on me being scum. Gut read is that he is scum glad to have something easy to push right off the bat. Actually my read on VE is a lot of what I'm talking about in this post #405. Which he didn't really respond to and instead posted this: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: So my thought process is this, just to clear up any confusion.
In my recent memory, I don't recall Ticktock to have ever played the relaxed jokey beginning. I just recalled him to have very serious posts right from the outset, that's been MY experience with him. So I mentioned being suspicious of him. To check my memory, I went back and checked the games on the TL Mafia Database, because unlike some people in this very game, I can't recall every game every person has been in on command. So I checked the most recent games in his history on the DB. Maybe they're old, and maybe the meta is outdated. Could be, as it's been a while since I've played with Ticktock. All I know is that the database corroborated my memory of Ticktock's towngame. It also a recent mafia game, which admittedly doesn't look much like this game. Others have come to bat saying that his mafia game looks different than this. This is all well and good. But I left my vote because I wanted to hear Ticktock say something more so I could decide if I ultimately DID think he was mafia, as I had originally suspected.
I think it's pretty hilarious that Rels is going off so hard about this. I can see Ticktock being suspicious if he's town, but Rels is just going off, and I think my suspicions have been reasonable. Which basically is him defending his meta, and then admitting it might be wrong, and then refusing to come to any conclusions but lightly hinting at Rels possibly being scum. So basically VE had made a ton of adue about nothing. bumatlargeI realize bum was playing his heart out (I mean I'd assume so I'm not really following it) in the other game trying to not get lynches as scum so him being mostly inactive is pretty NAI. I do however find his attitude somewhat scummy: Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 11:29 bumatlarge wrote: I have to read all of this? This is daunting... you people post too much, it's the first day. But this one VE guy looks pretty townie. Yep, he's 100% town. I just need to work on the rest of you. There is just a theme of excuses and not wanting to be here in bum's filter. I get being distracted, but this feels much more like burnt out scum to me, making excuses to not do anything. It's pretty much exactly how I'd be trying to play if I'd rolled scum this game after having just been lynched as scum the other day. On March 01 2016 16:51 sandroba wrote: This whole thing is total twisted garbage. I'm going to adress it either way because I'm actually disturbed by how bad this actually is: 1) I asked setup related stuff to damdred: Very start of the game, nothing else to talk about, let's try to interact with someone while having nothing relevant to talk about besides setup. With Open setups dealing with claims and ccs is very relevant to any decent town player. 2) I admit that at the very start of the game I had not thought about something, then provide pretty good and unique perspective on the matter in my opinion. The conclusions he draws from this are very much distorted from what I actually said. 3) "Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline." This is factual, and the reason I believe that if we think one of the players in a team are very likely scum we lynch the team no matter how well his partner is playing. Trying to distort this into fitting a scum mindset mold is disingenous. Again the conclusions you draw from this have absolutely nothing to do with what was said. 4) TheCow mini analysis posted by me: If you simply read any of thecow's post you would conclude (based on lingo and assertiveness) that he has some forum mafia experience under his belt and isn't a clearly newbie player. I do use meta quite often, yes, and it has nothing to do with VE bad usage of meta that I dig up myself which you forgot to mention in your analysis. I guess the stuff you were not able to twist is not worth talking about, right? 5) Me trying to get a read off Damdred, who is partner with someone I'm suspicious of, is supposed to make me scum too huh? And regarding your question I did ignore it becuase I thought it was stupid, since obviously I got no read off damdred on the very begining and was only trying to get the game started.
And about qob he is like the shinning beacon of towniness giving no shits about anything and saying what he pleases.
Now regarding you I need to chill for a bit and decide what I think about this. I'm finding it hard to believe that you really believe what you are saying.
On March 01 2016 17:24 Koshi wrote: Ticktock is a bit craycray. But on the other hand he was right somewhere D7 in a game once so his craycrayness leads somewhere.
This game he is full craycray. But very likely town.
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Sandroba who would you vote right now?
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Sandroba can you tell me who you would lynch right now?
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Koshi is town.
If anything, he is more town than you because Qob has been useless and I haven't been (allegedly). You should tell Qob to be more active.
Koshi has coached me very well which is why he hasn't been in thread as much.
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Sandroba's reaction to all pushes this game has been extremely bad. Like, he is saying he is trying to solve the game but refused to accept anyone else is? Such childish behavior. He actually got someone modules with his pushing, lol. But then when somebody pushes him town can lose? Doesn't sound like town to me.
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