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On January 04 2016 09:29 nooniansoong wrote: @FF let me warn you that if you keep that meta read towards me I will be able to fool you very easily if I roll scum. I took a long hiatus from mafia and since I've returned I haven't rolled mafia. I think my mafia game would be a lot better these days. That's fair It's also all I have to go on right now.
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Nope, you're totally correct about my alignment but I personally don't think using mod actions to determine alignments is good.
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I was getting the vibe you were protecting fidei but I'm so uninformed right now
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It's night phase correct? I'm gonna read later on there's not a whole lot but I'm binging on youtube videos right now
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On January 04 2016 09:46 nooniansoong wrote: FF are you good at being mafia or do you suck? I like to think I'm pretty good if I don't do stupid things.
I often do stupid things
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aw no posts in 2 hours I guess 50 pages in 2 full day phases should have tipped me off but this game is slow. I'll catch up when I get a few tokes in me at home
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scumreads after reading day 1: (I am on page 32 at the night post)
Fidei mderg GiygaS TheCow
These are only scumreads born from the first day. Break time.
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Sorry for spam I didn't realize nobody would have posted since I left work
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You guys talk more during day phases right?
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Kush why is my opening gambit as replaced scum to put both my teammates on my scumlist?
Right after you asked if I'm good at scum, too. Maybe you think busing is good, or at least you think that I think it's good since I said I think I'm pretty good.
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On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote: I have re-read the game from the start (yay no work!) and here is where my head is at at the moment. The reads are generally ordered from towniest to scummiest.
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Irishbound - I liked that from the outset he considered a wide range of players (see #408). Although I am null-y on Scott, it is hard to fault Irish's reasoning. Moreover, the fact that he has been on Scott for his posts, rather than some of the other low activity players (eg Onegu, Gigya) suggests that he's scum-hunting rather than looking for an easy out. Finally, I thought that his read on me was honest and the fact that he asked Alex for guidance (at #416) felt like a genuine cry for help.
Shapelog - I really, really don't like Shape's approach to posting. Spam posting like he does is a pretty effective mafia tactic to confuse the thread and dissuade people from reading their filter. HOWEVER, I note that he had more than a page of filter in pre-game. Moreover, his posting has struck me more as someone who wants to play the game and is impatient with everyone else (see eg #232). That, to me, is something that a relatively new player would find difficult to replicate as mafia. I also liked him criticising GB for giving him a town read at #302 - as mafia it's much easier just to take the read and pocket it rather than challenge it. Finally, his list post at #448 covered all the bases for a town list post for me.
The Cow - I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts. His read on me seemed very genuine and is actually something I agree with, in that I struggle to condense my thoughts down as far as I would like, and I tend to focus on ephemera (tone, overall posting strategy) rather than digging down into the weeds of detail. I like that he comes in with strong reads on Scott and Kmatt, then follows them up with helpful questions. I think most people (myself included) have been giving Irish a free-pass so far, so it's very useful to have someone sense-checking that as well.
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Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that.
Alex/NM - Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town. Fair enough. My reads on Alex are coloured by the same thing - we've been town together twice. He is doing his usual prodding / poking and asking lots of questions. One concern I have is that I see the progression for his Scott read, and his GB read seems to be foreshadowed at #391, but I'm not sure he really has given any particular read on Kush/Noon to date? I agree with the read, but I'm not sure how he got there.
GB - I have played with GB a fair few times before, but he plays differently every time and I usually rely on others to give a good read on him. Here, he has really given out town reads with very little supporting evidence (he 'liked' Alex's opening at (#195), when that was a JOKE OPENING!), and then placed a vote on Kmatt without explanation (#333). As an experienced player, this sort of high-read / low-analysis approach would be easily explained as either lazy/distracted town or mafia. Someone said that GB is in another game at the moment, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. There are definitely better lynches today.
Kmatt - The big red flag for me here is what others have already pointed out - he seems very reluctant to give reads. That is understandable for a new player in his first game (#383). He does make an interesting point on GB that I kinda agree with (#197 - GB trying to buddy up to the thread). I think there are a lot of better lynches than Kmatt, but he's definitely someone to look back at if he doesn't start firming things up through D2.
Scott - This is ugh. I think I'm actually better qualified than most people to read Scott, given that we've played three games together and I have given him a lot of attention in each. Yes, he and I have been town in each. HOWEVER, as I said before he has a number of different playstyles that seem to accord to how busy he is. And this is probably a mean thing to say, but I don't think he switches it up to keep his meta clean and I'm not sure he could. All that said, his content is totally garbage. He has had garbage content before as town. His read on Noon ("why would he TR me going against thread sentiment") is utterly idiotic, mostly because at that point there wasn't much thread sentiment against Scott AND because Noon's read was obviously weak. I don't want to jump straight onto Scott today because I think there are better lynches, and because (unlike others) he is very capable of coming back into the thread and being useful.
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Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo.
Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.
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Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent.
I'm going to vote Gigya for now, but I'd consolidate onto Onegu or Kush if necessary later.
##Vote -- Gigya re: why I'm scumreading fidei
Everything he posts reads like he's trying to justify his thoughts rather than actually develop reads.
Irish- "although I'm null-y on scott it's hard to fault his reasoning" Justifying a townread on someone scumreading a nullread? Seems paranoid
thecow- " I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts." The first thing he writes about thecow as though he knows it's a weak read but then goes on to give multiple points about why he's town. Makes me think Fidei was thinking these reads up on the spot rather than having them prior to writing this post.
NM- "Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town" the first thing on his mind is 'what does this guy think of me?' and it shows with that opening line
this is getting lame and I think I'm starting to look for evidence that fits my conclusion rather than using the evidence t ocome to my conclusion but it really feels like fidei is trying really hard to show where his reads are coming from, moreso than he's trying to show his reads, if that makes sense.
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I don't think GB and fidei would hard align like that as mafia buds though.
hm I guess I have more reading to do when I get to work today
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I haven't given shining a closer look tbh but thecow's earlygame posts felt REALLY REALLY meticulous and as a slob, anything that seems meticulous is suspicious
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I think I got caught up in 'fidei is scum -> this is why fidei is scum' rather than 'These things are scummy -> fidei is scum'
I was reading his post with the mindset that he is already scum
That said, I agree that fidei's reasons for townreading people are legit and you could call my read a toneread. To me it felt like, while fidei had real reasons to townread people, he spent more effort justifying why he had the read than I would have liked.
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you can defend yourself to me let me find the posts i didn't like
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On December 30 2015 10:13 mderg wrote: Time for some sleep. I'm not sure what to think about Kmatt, gonna think about that until I'm back here. You generated an entire page of what I would consider useless posts before this post. You never come back to kmatt and even go on to chastise GB for not talking about kmatt. This post also feels really out of place from mderg's obvious conversational style almost like someone in scum QT said he was shitting the thread.
On December 31 2015 05:33 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:54 Irishbound wrote:On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense. I'd say scott flipping town would make GB look worse. Strongly defending a townie based on nothing just screams too much information. Setting up what if scott flips town even though before this you made your first real post about someone about scott being mafia.
On December 30 2015 23:01 mderg wrote:Went through scotts filter and realized that there was even less content than I thought. Only 2 posts really. + Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:29 Irishbound wrote: I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.
Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.
I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.
@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting? You're the quickest townread I have ever had! Hi! Welcome to the forums! Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax GB throwing out townreads like it's drunken Monday - hmmm... Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:52 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:What exactly you didn't like about their openings? I didn't like Scott bandwagoning with Nonians comment in #167, it's also a very easy way for scum to enter into the thread, quite a similar concern with Mdergs #168 although I have liked him prodding you about your town read on me. Do understand that Giygas accusation on Noonian in #172 was a joke but I find it's the type of statement that scum awkwardly make more often than town do, either way I think I'll be able to get a stronger read on the three of them as the day progresses. Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right You get a townlean for this Irish. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:08 NocturneMage wrote:Greetings everybody! We're going to start the day by getting rid of obvious scum. And by obvious scum, I mean the dota players. Because as we all know Dota is a shitty game played by shitty people so it's never too soon to start taking out the trash! ##vote Fidei86Fidei is the worst of them all, as he's openly admitted pre-game, he steals my wife on a regular basis playing dota with her in the evenings. After Fidei, we plow through Onegu who I understand plays with her on occassion and then we take out GlowingBear who has told me in a previous scum qt (newbie 13) that he wouldn't coach me because I'm a League player. Welp. EZ game EZ lyfe get rekt scum. I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now... Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote: @Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote: Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! On December 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote: 100% true
##Vote: kush On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote: You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well. I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime) In the first one he mentions GB's strange townread on Irish which isn't bad in itself. But the fact that I had done just that before and that he doesn't provide any follow up at all makes him look bad in my eyes. Then he townreads Irish and Kmatt with only vague reasoning, nothing worth mentioning. Also the strange "I could possibly jump on this". I have no idea where to put this. + Show Spoiler +On December 30 2015 14:21 scott31337 wrote: So I have CPR and first aid training tomorrow morning so I have to get up early - I should be back on before EoD.
The thing that gets me is - why would noon have a town read on me and go against thread sentiment if he was mafia? What's the motivation - so he moves up for me.
Giygas's filter looks the worse - there's some SC stuff and nothing else - so I'm going to vote for him for now. In the second post he provides a weak defense of noon. I don't like it regardless of noon's alignment. Then he votes Giygas. I don't think this one is particularly scummy, it's just a vote based on the lack of actual content from Giygas. His own lack of content is not something that should be taken into account for this vote. I'd say he's pretty scummy and I'm gonna vote him for now because I'm not sure I can be back before the deadline and he looks like a good place to safely park my vote. ##vote scott
To me it seems weird to be talking about what if scott flips town after this.
Most of your posts this game have been replies to people talking about their reads. I'm not going to paste a bunch of random one liners here but I'm getting more about what you think of other people's reads than what you think of people. GB is scum but who else? Can you give me a list of people you think are scum please
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wait do you have cases this game?
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Why not try making one now?
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