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GB marv TT FF SL scott Onegu BF Sn0 OO is about where I'm at. The whole middle section is kind of a mess but it's mostly in order. | ||
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Why not OO? He's like the definition of "sounding contributive without actually being contributive". | ||
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On November 28 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: Because I want my lynch and TT isn't any better than OO. IMHO. Fair enough to the bolded, lol. | ||
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On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote: this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue. koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us. the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. Read this rant, and then look through OO's filter, especially after he makes this post, and see how inconsistent it is. This really feels like OO faking emotion to make it seem like he cares about the game. I don't think anyone so obviously uninvested in this game supposedly cares so much about it. On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote: brace yourselves thanksgiving is coming i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple? On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote: ... i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing. tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess. boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today. fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which. as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment. feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game. honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess {boxer onegu} strongerest {sn0 SL fefe} less stronk {tictock scott vivax} middling {everyone else} oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny #vote: onegu I could just be reading into this too much, but I thought it was really weird how he comes back to the thread with a nonchalant attitude, asking people who he should sheep. Then, in the next post is a giant list with a bunch of back-and-forth reads, ending with a vote on Onegu (?). Those are two different mindsets ("hey I'll sheep someone" vs "look at me I'm trying"), which I think makes more sense from mafia who wanted to act like they were contributing but forgot that it was inconsistent with their attitude. (you can ignore this if you think it's stretching, it was just something I felt) I think this is the most important point: He votes Onegu out of nowhere and then peaces out for a while. Then, when he comes back and it's clear that Onegu isn't happening (the votes were 4 Vivax - 2 TicTock, no one talking about Onegu), he doesn't consolidate or take a stance on the lynch at all like he claimed he would in the above post. Actually, he never actually takes a stance on the lynch of Vivax vs TicTock, even when it's really clear that those are the wagons. This shows him being really disconnected from the thread, just popping in to make a "contribution" when needed. Other stuff: He's very interested in posting whenever people express suspicion of him (happens both with me and with FF). I don't think the points I had against him earlier were weak either (jumped on the rolehunting comment and had a bad explanation for it, overreacted to suspicion). | ||
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On November 27 2015 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote: It's an interesting point that like 75% of chromatically's filter is blasting everything OO says but he doesn't really try to get anybody to vote for OO at all, he's just trying to justify his safe little vote. Even when moving to vivax he keeps blasting OO without any attempt to actually get him lynched Like he'll post stuff like this (implying that he thinks I'm mafia), but never mentions me or this read again. | ||
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On November 28 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote: im around n reading but its night n stuff that post was of course when koshi was discussing u and i was putting in my thoughts. there was never a point where a lynch on u was viable and even had their been I preferred the tictock lynch at that point. Okay, fair enough on that specifically. It's more of the general point that there's a lot of commenting on things without following through or taking stances. | ||
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On November 28 2015 04:44 ObviousOne wrote: IF I was maf it would have been easy as fuck to declare I had a scum read on Vivax or even just sheep someone else's case on him and vote for him and not be in this situation at all, but from my list of potential day one lynches vivax was two levels below my preferred lynches and I already said I don't have the first clue on how to read him. why would I bother to either point out I have no idea how to read him if there was a chance he could be lynched that I could have some credibility to join if i had not said that? town lynches that are easy to jump on or to be "convinced" of joining are my jam if i'm mafia. nor would i vote for ticktock on a day one in this game either based on his recovery before going to bed two nights ago, but i still haven't given the game a proper re-read to see if he's someone that deserves to be up for a day two lynch or not, that's something I'll look into later. so with the information i had to wit and the list of people i would be willing to lynch how could i possibly vote for either of them if i had zero confidence in one of them being mafia? in my mind onegu was a better candidate because it's possible there might never be anything there to read until it's too late to deal with it. finally, calling my reactions overreactions is subjective compared to other people and if you want to see how they are not overreactions you'll want to look at maybe one or two of my previous town games and how i react to suspicion, since i can't necessarily trust anyone here to factually report on that, nor would i expect anyone to defend me at this stage considering how well i always fit in a mafia line up all the time. You can't argue that it was correct for you to vote Onegu there as town. You're an experienced player, so you know that voting on-wagon is always correct (especially since it didn't seem like you had strong opinions on either of them). It's true that you could have picked a wagon to sheep, but you just as easily could have not cared about the lynch and wasted your vote somewhere else. Trying not to do meta after last game, but maybe the overreaction thing is subjective. | ||
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On November 28 2015 06:18 GlowingBear wrote: Chrome, I agree with most of things you say about OO. If I lynch him would you give me my lynch? I mean, I'd like to buy your vote like this, but I can't really make promises about lynching someone tomorrow. I can say that I'll seriously consider the points you have though (as usual). | ||
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On November 28 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote: Ah i wanna be a ghost. shut uo ff its so obvious that Vengeful spirits are people who got lynched (vivax) and Benevolent ghosts is marv. So vengefuls are lynched and benevolent are nked an who knows what mafia will be probably true | ||
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On November 29 2015 00:55 Tictock wrote: After going through his filter, I'm starting to think Chrom is town. Most of his filter is related to pushing OO, but he makes some solid points like enough that I might have to reconsider my read on OO. A few things feel nit picky though, and this post give me some odd feels. First the rolehunting thing happened before (though not by much) the FF smurf thing got brought up, so it's only natural for OO to react to that first. I'm also not sure why you wouldn't comment on something you felt was off even if it has an easy explanation, so that point doesn't make sense to me either. Post kinda feels like it's beating a dead horse. Maybe it feels off to me since I get why OO might push SL for saying he was rolehunting. I also kinda feel like reacting to SL saying he was rolehunting is more of a town thing to do, since Scum are more likely to be aware that there are no roles for them to play around in this game. ... SL made a comment about FF's smurf at the same time he said the rolehunting thing. It's that OO tried to attack that but didn't make a comment his FF read that is more alignment indicative (compared to what I thought when I saw it, "rolehunting comment is probably NAI but I want to know about his read"). Mafia are more likely to jump on things that look weird but aren't actually alignment-indicative. At this point it probably is beating a dead horse given that it happened so long ago, though. | ||
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On November 29 2015 00:55 Tictock wrote: @Chrom Can you elaborate on your GB townread for me? Why does he push you so hard yesterday for the lynch if it was two town (also doesn't make sense if he's mafia with you)? Plus he cares about the game, is putting reads out there a lot and pushing them, etc. | ||
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On November 29 2015 02:41 Koshi wrote: ANickelDrink This person might be mafia. Isn't doing that much and COULND'T CARE LESS about who got lynched. When he said he voted because "shenannies could happen" IT WAS 100% OBVIOUS it would not happen. If TT is town like he claims. He should look at this person instead of giving fefe a freaking free pass as top town. I didn't like his vote at all either but I thought the rest of his posting's been pretty town (giving reads and looked like he was figuring out the game). I can take another look I guess? but I can't see how he's a better lynch than OO/Sn0 (or even a lurker). | ||
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I'll let him defend himself against your points though. | ||
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