On October 19 2015 05:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok and does my not explaining my reads to your satisfaction make me scum?
Yeh, it looks kind of bad.
'kind of bad'
come on give it to me! I want something with real emotion! Why am I scum? You started posting right around the same time as I came back to thread, why is my inactivity with NAI excuses worse than your inactivity? Why is my goading you for fun scummy when I missed the fun joke around phase?
Who would you kill if you had a gun right now?
You. Your not worth a lynch. Not playing the game sadly doesn't make you scum. Refusing to give a reason to have the reads you have might but until you actually start playing that might be difficult to figure out.
On October 19 2015 05:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok and does my not explaining my reads to your satisfaction make me scum?
Yeh, it looks kind of bad.
'kind of bad'
come on give it to me! I want something with real emotion! Why am I scum? You started posting right around the same time as I came back to thread, why is my inactivity with NAI excuses worse than your inactivity? Why is my goading you for fun scummy when I missed the fun joke around phase?
Who would you kill if you had a gun right now?
You. Your not worth a lynch. Not playing the game sadly doesn't make you scum. Refusing to give a reason to have the reads you have might but until you actually start playing that might be difficult to figure out.
I did it already though
Oh, so you did. Sorry I must have missed it while I was typing. See how hard was that? If you had just posted that in the first place we could of had saved us a lot of time. My problem wasn't that you were absent. It's that you came back to the thread, popped up a terrible 3'rd post and then had an issue that anyone dare call you out for it.
On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny.
On October 20 2015 04:40 LoneMeow wrote: Can't figure this out. Sheeping Rels.
##vote: scott31337
People pointed that post out already but I think the really interesting thing here is that this is the vote that hammered scott. sicklucker said he'd be up for shennanies and he was around at EoD - so it wasn't just dumping the vote on scott but it was the vote that did not get Eversince hanged.
Thing is that he pushes Kelsier, backs off, does nothing, sheeps the biggest wagon. I understand that the unvote of Kelsier makes sense, town should re-evaluate. But the lack of participation and the "I do nothing" sheep of Rels is bullshit. I mean the guy isn't active for most of the day then comes in only to say this and back out again? I don't get it. Tbh that's bad scum play as well as bad town play. I expect more D2.
Eversince looks bad but I think it's a "bad town" category of bad and not a scum thing. That brings me to Farah who I insta-townread for the case on Eversince, I think it's decent, well-written and logical. Such a case isn't made by a newbie D1 on a scum partner. So it's either town!Eversince and town!Farah or town!Eversince and scum!Farah or scum!Eversince and town!Farah. We should keep that in mind, if one of them flips scum, the other one is pretty much confirmed town. The conversation on p37 between Kelsier and Eversince is also quite interesting. Makes Eversince looks bad, again. The only thing ES has going for him is the effort he puts in, I don't think scum needs to do this after the flip happened.
Also I want to put more pressure on Moosy but he didn't spam up the thread anymore and caught decent things such as this.
It is very well possible that scum hides between MD/FF/LM, no matter if both wagons are town or the Eversince wagon was targeted at scum. Since I said above that I refrain from my MD scumread, in this scenario most likely scum should be hidden between FF/LM/ES, pushing the mislynch that town people started.
The one guy voting outside of both wagons (to simply stay unreadable?) would be sicklucker. Wouldn't be bad scum play I think since basically voting outside the wagons is NAI (at least as long as we do not know both flips) - I don't have a strong scumread on him but I don't have a townread as well so yeah. I don't want to let go of the theory of sicklucker being scum and voting outside but the fact that he asked for shennanies says to me that he should be leaned town.
I have a gut feeling on Shining that I need to feed with arguments. Maybe I'll change my thoughts towards him but as of now, I got a scumlean on him. Same goes for FecalFeast, my reads on those two aren't fed with strong facts but are more a gut (and low activity/filler posts) thingy.
Concluding, I think it's very likely that we have two scum members on the scott wagon. The wagon went off decently and was not fought too hard, although the lynch was kind of close.
Can you explain why the one who start the wagon on a town are town enough to paint green?
On October 21 2015 05:36 boxerfred wrote: fecal your top scum read right now?
vonthin the newbie, eversince, and it was GB in third but I liked his drunk posting. I also had SL as scummy but the retarded play he just made makes me think otherwise
On October 20 2015 02:28 Vonthin wrote: Day 1 reads has always been the hardest for me, my first newbie game I got lynched Day 1 as town for posting like this, the other game I completed my Day 1 posting was also weak. You can go and look.
As for liking Meow I don't see any scum motivation behind the posts. I understand the logic behind them and what he was trying to accomplish by trying to get reads on people and to trap BF that one time, I just don't see mafia doing that D1.
As for Scott I don't think he was trying to scum up the thread at all in his posts, I don't think being lynched for inactivity day 1(unless they didn't post at all or vote but they would get mod killed anyways) isn't worth it because if they get lynched it doesn't give us much info to go on depending on the result since he has given us so little information which would give the scum an advantage and it would be like playing day 1 all over again unless we get lucky and he is actually scum. Day 2 he does the same thing then you can go for him.
Anyways I'm off for class, not sure I will be back before deadline so my vote will be for Ever
##unvote question Vonthin: How is GB doing a good job 'leading town' as you say in your most recent list post? If GB is leading town, there are 3 town dead day 2, he is doing a good job? You even note something scummy he did in your read of him but call him town.
Boxer's first game was a scumgame and he survived til endgame with a fairly short filter (11 pages including pre and post game for a 5 day game) and his filter d1 was a mere 2 pages. Not to mention, his filter this game is all over the place. He wants to kill lonemeow, no he wants to kill moose, no he wants to kill scott
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB. I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
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This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
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Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
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So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
On October 19 2015 04:21 boxerfred wrote: Disclaimer: I haven't read deeply into the thread. I skimmed up to this point. This is going to be gut heavy.
First up, going to bring up the one serious interaction I'm in:
On October 18 2015 05:44 boxerfred wrote: hey guys I'm here.
Hi! Are you happy to be here?
Actually no since I rolled VT just like I did in all of my last games ffs and I have moosy and gb spam up the thread although I said pregame that I'm on a limited schedule. actually no, I#m not happy.
I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game.
I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from.
Yes I'd have rather rolled scum or at least blue. It's (spare last newbie game where I co-hosted) the 3rd or 4th consecutive VT game for me. I don't love the guessing in this game, I love the lying. Obviously I prefer playing scum. Also I think I'm better at scum. Last game I was scum in was actually the game that got a 3 game ban to sicklucker because I was tryhard not conceding as the last scum. Good times. Let's get constructive now:
Thus far there's nothing too good to be had. Kelsier is way too active to have rolled scum again given how he reacted last Student Mafia to being scum. MoosyDoosy can be town or scum. I can't read him at all. Gut says "lynch before he misleads town", brain says lynching the (most likely to be) most active player in the game is bullshit.
I recommend to not let Shining slip off the radar. He asks lots of specific questions to specific players, thus far me, scott, kelsier, while the rest seems to be banter such as this:
On October 18 2015 11:27 GlowingBear wrote: Anyone wants to play SC2 with a complete newbie?
I mean, I know the basic commands, but I suck
I stopped playing when my gaming laptop blew up and I had to downgrade to a Macbook. Now League is all I play
I think that can very well be scum pretending to be constructive.
Also I see that while MoosyDoosy pushed me, GB insta-defended me. Given they joked around about being scum before (as a resemblence to their last game were they were indeed scum together if I understood correctly) it's a behaviour that might be tying them together. Since afaik BH randomizes roles, how high are the chances that exactly the same constellation is happening again? I don't think so. I can see one of them being scum but not both. I don't know what that is worth but I feel like we should keep that in mind. Chances are they are both town but I don't think so. MD pushed me hard, knowing I'm not the most active player. Can be scum pushing a mislynch (he did so already in the one game we played together). MD is my top scum read atm.
On October 19 2015 03:29 FarahBlackwing wrote: However I'll end this here and move on.
I think kelsier is,most likely town. If he was scum a good plan would be to let moos and myself spam up the thread when we can't see eye to eye. But he interjects to try to get us back on a different path. I see good town motivation and his dogged questioning and prodding seems to come from town.
This feels genuine. Running out of time (also my finger hurts as fuck) so I'll be gone for another hour or two.
On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote: Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this:
On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring.
This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here...
On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB can i bus you again?
And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else
welp too late.
##Vote: GlowingBear
And a shit early vote.
Now he's spamming up the thread.
I'm not caring for this play so far.
GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it.
I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up:
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.
Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old.
I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB.
Just was making sure - Thank you.
To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread.
And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon.
##unvote ##vote scott12345
At first I had BF as town just for playing the game but his first game as scum he was making big posts with reads and questions so the fact that he is doing such this game is nai. Scumlean on boxer. boxer: Look at vonthin's other games linked in this post and tell me what you think afterward.
Now that I give glowingbear's filter a good read, I think he could be scum. His buddying up to kelsier after realizing that kelsier was going hard on scott is really scummy to me. + Show Spoiler +
On October 18 2015 11:35 The Shining wrote: And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see...
I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either.
Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though.
Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well.
Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me?
I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start.
Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list?
The joke phase between the three of you was so incredibly unfunny and I would have happily lynched all of you, upon reflection there was probably one mafia trying way too hard. Moosy was just spamming complete nonsense it made me want to give up reading. That was my interpretation of the events up to that point.
(A)GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. (b)Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB. I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
Dude, Kelsier, I've been trying to play a good game with you but you insist with this. I have a history of doing "stupid stunts" for some people, but I am playing a very straight forward game since the last one. So IF you're town, actually read my list instead of just saying it's classic GB with illogical reads, because they are far from illogical.
If you have actually read it you would realise I was commenting ONLY on people that had posted, so point (A) doesn't make sense. Point (B): it's a post where I share my vision of what has been posted so far and I ask players to bounce their reads on it. You see, I've seen a lot of alignment indicstive behaviours - which you fail to realise/discuss just to base a read on a joke phase. And the joke phase wasn't even that long. I started playing the exact moment the game started, and you should see it if you actually read my filter.
If you're town, please, play the game. If not, die.
##Vote: KelsierSC
On October 18 2015 22:53 GlowingBear wrote: Oh okay! Now I'm convinced
On October 18 2015 23:03 GlowingBear wrote: Who is mafia with scott, Kelsier?
Which, I'll admit seemed to me like it was sarcastic, especially when followed with
On October 18 2015 23:17 GlowingBear wrote: Game is not going well...
Which would be odd since he just got convinced that someone is scum. Rather than expound on what he means by this, he posts some fluff and a while later this
On October 20 2015 03:31 GlowingBear wrote: I actually won't be able to catch up, I have a lot to do.
Skimmed a little bit. I'm not sure what to do with Kelsier's answers, it felt townie to me, but I find weird that he says there is at least one mafia between me, shining and moosy but never really pushes any of us effectively - instead, he goes against scott. But overall, his posts has town vibes in it.
Scott came bad to the thread and I agree with the suspicions brought on him.
I don't wish to lynch Eversince since I didn't read his posts. I don't think he is one to be lynched today due to activity, either.
As my knowledge of this ongoing game is limited, I'd go against lurkers. I hate fecal feast/sicklucker wasting their votes. If one of them is mafia, both wagons are town.
That said, I want to vote sicklucker for his lackluster push on LoneMeow. If people don't want to, I'd vote FF. Since I don't think Eversince should be lynched today, I am voting the alternate wagon that did a scummy think.
##unvote ##vote: Scott31337
BUT I PREFER TO LYNCH SICKLUCKER OR FECALFEAST FOR WASTING THEIR VOTES If people is willing to do so, let me know
So he's convinced by kelsier that scott is scum but would rather vote elsewhere (myself[town] and sciklucker[I think town]) and explicitly says he doesn't want to vote eversince.
On October 20 2015 03:50 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, I think a townie can only be very tunneled and keeping his vote on someone if they constantly try to convince the rest of town to vote with him. A tunneled person can never be this passive.
And a town not sure if his scum read would be voting one of the main wagobs right now.
I'm voting Sicklucker
##Unvote ##Vote: sicklucker
SO HE MOVES HIS VOTE OFF THE WAGONS AFTER SAYING HE WANTS TO VOTE SL AND I FOR VOTING OFF WAGON?
On October 20 2015 04:19 Fecalfeast wrote: I just woke up and skimmed the new posts. ##unvote ##vote scott31337
seems fine to me if nobody else sees how scummy vonthin is
##Unvote ##Vote: eversince
AND THEN CHANGES VOTES FROM SL (off-wagon) TO EVERSINCE
His entire reason for voting eversince over scott seems to be that I am scum trying to save eversince but wait
On October 20 2015 14:21 GlowingBear wrote: My drunk senses says that sicklucker is totes mafia And that FF might be town.
Maybe
So he gets drunk and comes to thread to revert his read on me.
So, coupled with the fact that kelsier died who was calling GB out a lot, which isn't much on its own because kelsier was super towny anyway, I think GB is a good shot at scum today.
##vote glowingbear
Town: farah rels sicklucker vonthin
scum gb boxerfred
will be looking into moose, shining and eversince next. I am leaning scum on eversince just because it seemed really weird that GB would pop his vote on her after saying he would never do so, but only after scott was clearly in the lead to die