On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
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when your done catching up, tell me what ya think of slam, read into chrom too plz : D
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On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote: I have arrived when your done catching up, tell me what ya think of slam, read into chrom too plz : D | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:53 yamato77 wrote: hm slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable" I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic. I don't necessarily disagree that GB looks better but I'm rather hesitant to sleep on the idea of lynching him entirely. Rayn is just not mafia here I don't think. Unless he is mafia with marv and they both successfully pocketed me. I doubt this though, because literally everyone thinks I am town now so lol. I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either. so who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: So after catching up. Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games. I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule. Rayn is like 90% of his town meta. Yamato did some stuff looked townie. GB rolled my RnG. Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think. Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game. I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority. Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read. Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. Ummm..... No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked. Damn I am good at this game. You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. Could you elaborate on chrom besides forgettable? It looks as if hes basically your lynch proposal / : | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 02:57 gumshoe wrote: Also what was it that made gj look better to you Yamato? The post Hopeless pointed out. It did actually look townie to me. you mean this one? I meant "shitty scumreads", not shitty scum reading me. how did this change your read? Can you elaborate? | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:59 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote: On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote: On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote: On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote: So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. OK Rayn I kinda get what you're getting at here but let's look at the shared game history between me and xat 1. II Titanic Mini Mafia -- I replaced in for cdgcorazon (wow, I remember that dude) and was the town vigi. Also that was a shitshow 2. TL Mafia LXIV -- Another shitshow, in which I was town 3. TL MAfia LXIV Part 2 -- I was town again 4. Golden Sun Lost Age -- I was Isaac, Town, again 5. Assassination Mafia -- I was town 6. Paranoia Mafia -- I was town In other words, Xatalos has literally never played with scum Blazinghand. He has no firsthand experience of playing with me. He couldn't know, not wihtout doing research or blindly trusting others. He is unaware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has not seen it first hand. Ritoky has played with me twice. Once in Golden Sun Mafia, and once in Cell Mini Mafia, the infamous game in which I took photos of cardboard boxes and pretended to be moving house and not have internet. Ritoky is aware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has seen it first hand. That being said, I still like Ritoky doing resaerch on my meta and when I use RNG. Yes, he's wrong, and yes, he should remember what I'm willing to do, but he sitll went and did actual research when has scum it would have been totally unnecessary, right? Ritoky is not a target for todays lynch. Stop talking about your RNG, nobody cares about rng XD who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:10 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote: On October 24 2015 03:08 yamato77 wrote: On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote: On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote: Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate? Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him. Perhaps a valid point. Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive. It is true that you have faded a bit. We'll see what that means. Yamato, where are you on hopeless? You seemed really confident about him early on Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO. I actually see what he's saying with Hopeless. what about him read as town to you? has anything changed? | ||
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1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam I don't really agree on. also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? | ||
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yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question. 1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam and Hopeless are town why? also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:53 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote: ebwop yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question. 1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam and Hopeless are town why? also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed These are simple questions and it's important you answer, earlier I asked bh questions, he answered in a convincing way so I town read him. I'm doing the same thing now. If your actually town and you dont want me to waste time tunneling you then please answer. Also I'm not asking you to pull more reads out of your ass, I'm just asking you to explain ones you've already given. Which is something you should do right away if you want to avoid being bored by nosy gumshoes / : so once again, why the slam scum read early on. Why the hopeless town read. | ||
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Chrom feels pretty active/emotional, dont wanna lynch him. Rayn strikes me as sincere but misguided, exactly how I would imagine a townie. We have expectations of veteran players, but truth is bieng right from the get go in a game of mafia can be more about luck than anything else. So no, I wont vote him today. Slam is playing too sensible, dont wanna discourage this by killing him. gb is town, unless hes scum with slam his reactions plus the way he protected him take him totally off my list. I kind of need yam to answer mah questions before I can say anything else. Today I'd be willing to lynch Ritoky, who has totally disappeared and needs to be on more peoples radar. 20 hours as of right now since he last posted. Hopeless is also a target, but everyone seems to magically think hes town so I guess he gets a pass. | ||
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On October 24 2015 04:37 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: Gb- I rather not lynch him, his tunnel onto Vivax is probs wrong, but then again I havent really dug into vivax, (but I dont like how he turned around onto Gb / : the guy whose tunneling you tends to be a really easy mark for maf, they can just focus them till lynch and not contribute elsewise, which is pretty much were vivax is at, also I dont like detailed excuses*he done it twice now#),. Overall I think hes just a derpie townie who got caught up in a tunnel with a player whose more null than scummy and now feels compelled to stand his ground. Def been there. This seems spot on Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh. I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today. Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. etween Xat, Chrom, ritoky, Onegu, and hopeless1 I see no serious statements differentiating them, other than that you want to lynch onegu and Hopeless1 from the other three without any explanation? What's the deal broseph??? You must have REASONS for this. You say "unless someone can magically explain..." but your'e the one with magical explanations here. Or magical lack of explanations. Man up and post some. Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be. No input on the slam case!!?? Pul it together brometheius Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me. After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for. I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. Yeah, see my meta read on MArv. From the XV scum QT (this game is over so the QT is ok to link) http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/zRTyp8RMU5dNs : "i was never going to try this game very much if i rolled mafia anyway " "it kinda takes me time to recharge my scum batteries, and i've only played 48h of town since i tried pretty hard as mafia last. batteries low. i will play though. just poorly." "*giggles* we're gonna lose so hilariously hard, it'll be great." Then, night 1: "##concede nothing left for me here" and he had a crappy like 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity&view=all the difference is palpable. In any case, I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll leave it aloen but anyone voting marv is not paying attention to the obvious evidence here. xat was a scum read of mine early on, but his sheer level of activity detterd me from pursuing so didnt waste mah time there. Onegu and hopeless had >2 page filters and most of thier commentary was fairly banal jokey and worthless. Felt this went without saying. Chrom and ritoky were entangled together, I found ritoky townie from his initital pounce on to me (though my opinion has changed since) chrom also just came off over time as really active and sincere so I revoked mah earlier scum read on him. I generally tend to not go too much into mah town reads cause they dont interest me, and there wasnt much to say on onegu and hopeless, the mix made for a shallow one. As for Slam, gonna be honest, me finding him townie is more an asociation thing. Basically people I dont like are calling him out for very little reason. That and his death match with Rayn feels dumb and townie. | ||
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On October 24 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote: On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me. After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for. I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. ##Vote: GlowingBear I must admit, there's a certain temptation here! Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:21 Xatalos wrote: On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote: On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense. Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter. i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts. you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way. like I can answer your question about rayn's play. rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you. Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is. And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left. I doubt it's actually PoE, but a mixture of PoE and read Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:26 yamato77 wrote: I'll be around later today. I have a meeting at lunch and then I'll be free. Will become more active afterward, assuming I can stand this shitty keyboard I am forced to use because my nice mechanical stopped working D: is to too shitty to play counterstrike??? Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote: On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote: On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me. also this I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them. the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion. why doesn't it? essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process. Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / : "Too correct" about GB's meta or shitposting isn't actually a reason to mafiaread someone. Like... you're literally saying, and I quote "Yamato is just right and succinct"... so he is mafia. You're calling hm mafia for having good reads. How do you get to this place, mentally? How does that happen, where someone comes in (and I'm not saying I think Yam's reads are good here-- but you clearly think so) and says "wow, this guy makes a lot of sense!.... CLEARLY HE IS SCUM HUE HUEH UEUEHUEHUEHUE" like how does that happen, what happened to you? In a perfect game, mafia would never fuck up, and use their superior knowledge to secure a lynch. They would find situations in which they are 'right' result in a mislynch and that pose the least blow back twoards them. A scenario in which vivax and gb are at each others throats and gb is flat out wrong is an example of such a scenario. I came away from gb seeing him as a derpy townie but could see the potential to set him up as a bullshitting mafia player. The way yamato did exactly that gave me chills. Is that really so fucking outlandish? That a player whose good at this game could use mafia omniscience to set up a derpy townie? As I said as well, I didnt like how yam sort of directed marv onto gb, gave me a slimy feeling. I'm also stunned that Yamato has marv level cred from everyone for literally a 10th of the effort. They guy wont even answer my questions on his random unexplained reads. But of course Yamato is town right? Tl mafia circle jerk meta says so, guess it must be true! | ||
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On October 24 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote: gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are. Funny how your circling back around to me as a suspect the moment I turn against you. Cute, also as the master of afk, I can tell you there are dif kinds, and the one where you disappear because thread sentiment isnt against you and then return to ask "sup guys who we lynching?" at deadline is pretty shitty. | ||
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On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things. I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. thats is the format in which my mind is made up. | ||
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On October 24 2015 05:20 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote: On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things. I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. thats is the format in which my mind is made up. low post count = scum. + Show Spoiler + rip jon stewart, i already miss you so much Def don't mean town too. This meta argument against slam is pretty sils. You also match my fantasy mafia team so thats mostly why I wanna see you die ) : | ||
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On October 24 2015 05:27 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 02:53 yamato77 wrote: hm slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable" I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic. I don't necessarily disagree that GB looks better but I'm rather hesitant to sleep on the idea of lynching him entirely. Rayn is just not mafia here I don't think. Unless he is mafia with marv and they both successfully pocketed me. I doubt this though, because literally everyone thinks I am town now so lol. I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either. so who's top of the list for you if, say, we don't lynch slam? Show nested quote + On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: So after catching up. Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games. I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule. Rayn is like 90% of his town meta. Yamato did some stuff looked townie. GB rolled my RnG. Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think. Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game. I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority. Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read. Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. Ummm..... No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked. Damn I am good at this game. You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. do you actually have a scumread or case? maybe we should lynch onegu jsut for this truly awful list post, who's in? Also for that RNG thing. Wow actually yes I'm now caught up to my first post in the "catching up to posts" series. Replies inc id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. | ||
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On October 24 2015 06:24 Xatalos wrote: Seriously rayn, you hosted the game where he was scum and only trolled all game. You even talked to me on Skype how he didn't really play at all. Here his effort level was like 20-30x higher, yet you are mad about it. Following your logic, half of the players in this game are useless trolls, since he put in more effort than most. Especially Onegu/Hopeless/gumshoe. Bro I've put way more effort into this game than you and def more than slam and thats Besides the fact that I wasn't pushing for a retarded lynch like half of town. I've provided plenty of solid reasons all throughout day 1 for why I deemed gb, rayn and slam town. I scum read you initially and then realized I was flat out wrong before my idiocy impacted the lynch (something you could learn from). Worst thing is, now you fucking group me with the people I wanted gone? That is total bullshit. apologize to gumshoe + Lynch yamato/hopeless day 2= eat crow and profit. | ||
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