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On September 15 2015 17:11 Vivax wrote: List of people who afked after posting. LS TheShining Bill Murray Dandel Ion I didn't AFK, I went to sleep. There is a difference. On September 15 2015 17:53 Vivax wrote: I'm taking a leap of faith here that you're town and correct rayn. I'm the martyr. well that was obvious you were the only guy with a weird theory on how to play it On September 15 2015 17:29 Vivax wrote: Oh and it's silent nights so no chance for the martyr to crumb anything during them, only atferwards. Still, later in the game the role can prove useful cause if he witnesses a witch kill being saved by angels the martyr can confirm him as town after claiming. i wasnt going to out you but the answer to this is soup fecalfeast is scum for this post | ||
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I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar. I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure why that would make him town. He would do the same thing if he was mafia and did not care. And not caring honestly points more towards being mafia than town. thank you rayn | ||
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yeah i dont like that post either | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote: Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon. I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on. I'm not sure I like BM. This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn. that wasnt an explanation at all that was my reasoning for doing it, not my explanation im not going to tell someone why i read them because i dont want them changing their play in a way that makes them unreadable for me in a later game. | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:25 Half the Sky wrote: Middle of page 10 - going to agree with the LS/Shining scumreads since they are the only things they've posted. I know LS has trouble playing scum when he is scum so this could easily follow that premise. Dandel's posting is less indicative, he could really not care for all I know. yeah even with me on skype with him telling him what to do he got lynched D1 when i was scum with him | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i seriously think BM is town now. BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town. I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town. I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk | ||
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Would I pick you as a lynch? No Would I be your defense attorney? No | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Now you can feel feelings for me? How nervous was I? nervous enough to type "lol" 5 times in 1 post after you got caught slipping | ||
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FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling | ||
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thanks guys | ||
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On September 16 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i was talking withgeript about how we play and what are our strengths in games. We both agreed i am really good in breaking setuos and finding holes in them. I am pretty sure BM was there at that time, and therefore his opening would make sense from town perspective. After giving it more thought he woyld probably say that as mafia aswell, so i dont really think that matters. i believe i was in that discussion now that you have explained it i thought i was the one who said that? On September 16 2015 02:56 LightningStrike wrote: HTS I think she is more likely town she came up with her own original idea about Geript which I kinda agree with given my history with Geript for his weird wording on his posts. Geript is a scumlean for now some of wording is weird esp his post about sheeping town leaders all the time as town is actually false as I actually did my own thing in Carol of the Bells trying to push Tubesock there with GlowingBear didn't want to lynch Tubesock there. if you wade through this post LS has a good read on HtS, and geript is someone I am wary of as well - agree with LS here LS + rayn then have town on town dialogue on the bottom of page 20 (very bottom) | ||
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your HtS read I disagree with, but other than that, I agree with 90% of it | ||
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BUT his tone is largely different... in the other game is a lot more trolly and wanting to try to scumandeer/take over the town as scum more in this game he is a lore more passive, tame, and chill. he even gives explanation for something he doesnt need to give explanation for in his quest for the grail | ||
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If we get any information about who is what role the best thing we can do is just hope it matters in 4 way or less | ||
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Suck it HtS | ||
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can anyone explain the case on the shining? i see he has a few votes on him | ||
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i feel like an idiot now | ||
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On September 17 2015 11:27 Half the Sky wrote: Saw this, I ran through BM's filter - posts 412, 434, there's a few points where he discusses that - actually the contrast for TT/Rels is discussed in 412. Unless you missed that post entirely and that's what you meant, but I am reading post 412 and I'm not seeing how that post is scum-indicative for BM. Maybe tonewise he seemed a bit confrontational on how you read it, but it sounds like meta or his experience playing with you. Nothing jumped out at me as unusual/scummy for him. i was just highlighting that our minds are opposite, nothing more, nothing less i ignore rayn why? because he's town. i'm hunting scum. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we lycnh mafia on D1 are they gonna angel save me when mafia kills me? they're going to have to kill vivax, no? | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:52 Rels wrote: Mm OK I still think geript is mafia for his play But I would lynch damdred before him right now @Rels why is geript mafia "for his play" ? why do you think damdred is more likely to flip mafia than geript? | ||
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On September 17 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Who is the best mayor candidate i don't see much talk of that. If rayn is town and playing this strongly and gets the grail wont he just be NK bait? he's already NK bait after they get rid of Vivax Mafia knows Vivax can be angelic protected and use his save on Rayn which would result in 2 town being saved and then night 2 when one of them gets angelic protected they're at best at 3 kills on n3 | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shining already explained this and he is town anyways. if you think shining is town then damdred has to be mafia (pretty much) because damdred has been claiming a meta read on shining (saying shining is maf) which i dont think he would do if they were both town | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote: Slight townread on LS and shining. Scumlean on Damdred. HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho. Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far. Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game. BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess. well i have known you the longest and i am a meta player... gonna finish catching up on the presidential debates (GOP) and go to bed though will pop up tomorrow | ||
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2) he wasn't really a "mayor" he was more of a "floridian" 3) rayn is the town leader and he is still alive it sucks because geript was my 2nd strongest townread, however | ||
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His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together ##Vote Damdred | ||
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but yeah im pretty sure scumteam was/is one of Shining/Damdred... and if Damdred is scum, pretty sure he is with FF. If it's not FF it's Rels. Depends how Damdred plays. Might be neither, but there are some tells in his filter that point me in those directions. Pretty sure Damdred is an A-B-C player, which would be Damdred/FF scumteam I am playing based upon "worst case scenario" ... with there being 7 town left. If it's 8-2 ... then maybe damdred is just playing poorly this game... anyways i dont see him being scum with shining ... im really just not seeing a way i was right about shining's flip... idk im kind of tired and rambling but im keeping my vote for now unless rayn wants to talk me off of it | ||
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im just gonna leave this here for your enjoyment + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2009 13:06 Xx5k4t3rG0H4NxX wrote: wow u sound like a fukin ungrateful douchebag. be a man n suck it up cuz life aint gonna get better if u think like dat u gotta skate | ||
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On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote: Also, just gunna throw this out there. Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore. Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles. So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill. That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo. So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before. Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred. I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong | ||
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On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote: So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. yeah i did make a mistake im glad you brought this up: if they souped and we red then the scum would be dead so that wouldnt be a mislynch but if there was, worst case scenario, it would still be better than if we dont because i like to avoid mylo it's statistically better for town to have an actual lynch lose instead of mislynch lose however with 4 left or 6 left and mylo this scenario is about the first i've thought hey this might be decent we might not want to avoid mylo because of the angelic protection food for thought What do you think of LS's "long" post about Damdred, TT? | ||
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On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote: Pretty cool (= I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is: EoDVote Count LightningStrike (2): The Shining (0): Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript Damdred (2): Bill Murray (0): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, Vivax (0): Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS. I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here. um, no i wasnt going to vote dandelion and if you have been paying attention to me this game you should have realized that bro | ||
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On September 19 2015 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i got that, the timestamps on new TL are fucking horrible. i hate those. i hate the new design as whole... me too but im getting used to it On September 18 2015 07:00 Dandel Ion wrote: well prepare to be anally blasted it will be...... grand you could say oh i thought he was crusader thats REALLY FUCKING BAD FOR US that we lost one of our important roles This gimps us because if he visited the wandering wraith they would have learned who he was | ||
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We need to stick to old fashioned scumhunting. We got vanilla icecream ready to eat Don't fuck it up by adding too many things | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote: OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. you're wrong; recheck your math | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:21 Rels wrote: Fuck I forgot soup. Let me redo this: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 5-2 after soup Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing OK even with soup it's better to claim actually. are you purposefully putting out bad information and maf or are you just stupid? | ||
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On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote: Now about BM. Town points 1 Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia points In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote: Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote: OK let's bring back this little thing. The useful list of useless people The Shining HTS LS fidei Dandel Ion If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote: I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote: you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar. I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote: ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin 1 Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2 BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote: Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. 3 BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote: Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together ##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote: I changed my vote to LS Conclusion Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia. wow youre pushing fucking misinformation hard 1) vivax's case is bullshit a.) i didnt try to break up an imaginary towncircle that didnt exist. you and tt were cuddling in a corner while vivax was making terrible reads and rayn was trying to drive the shortbus the real towncircle D1 was rayn-geript-me in my opinion 2) i didnt participate in that because I WASNT HERE. 3) i was voting damdred D1, and i believe he is scum, so i voted him at the start of today a.) I read rayn say "ls is definitely the lynch for today" b.) vivax posted and didnt say "nope we're not lynching LS" c.) im 29 with obligations and shit so im not 100% im always going to have time to change my vote so i went ahead and did what the thread sentiment was d.) i can easily see damdred-you damdred-ff or LS-you LS-lordknowswho-scum#3 i dont know how many scum or left but i can see damdred or LS being maf i WANT to believe youre not maf because you feel genuine to me but god there are some people making some terrible reads this game yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: If would also like your reasons for switching to LS Are you just sheeping rayn ? Way to ask questions and try to get fake ass town cred for someone you thought went to bed lol. but nope im here so you're gonna get this flipped back around on you | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:11 Rels wrote: explain to me what is the fucking problem ? 1) if there is a red check there wouldnt be a mislynch numbskull 2) you seem to be only purposefully analyzing scenarios where we go into mylo which is why i posted these things in the first place... do you EVEN REALIZE IM THE ONE WHO STARTED THESE? 3) if you really want to go into bad scenarios you need to analyze the one that i got corrected on... because tictock and i already discussed these | ||
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well theres another thing Rels tried to take credit for and parroted | ||
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On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote: In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that: - the oracle has a garanteed hit - if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check. SO Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch. In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target. OK ? | ||
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On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote: I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before. Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred. I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote: Pretty cool (= I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is: EoDVote Count LightningStrike (2): The Shining (0): Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript Damdred (2): Bill Murray (0): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, Vivax (0): Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS. I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here. On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote: OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. If you look he also steals tictock's wagon-analysis post and said "here i color coded it for you" it's like he's protecting his filter i am 100% sure Rels is scum. I suspected him D1 and let you guys talk me out of it but im 100% sure now and i'm 100% voting him the rest of this game 1) he parrots rayns plan 2) the lynch analysis i do and discuss with tictock he parrots 3) the wagon analysis tictock did he parrots 4) he is claiming oh ill vote so and so but he's just a hypocrite who will vote LS even when he's accusing rayn of this ##Vote: Rels | ||
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You are also bandwaggoning while accusing other people of doing so | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:31 Rels wrote: Did you REALLY posted this to contradict yourself DId you miss the "as rayn posted" ?? Read what I wrote. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:29 Rels wrote: So Vivax made terrible reads you agreed about later ? I'm pretty sure you were in the thread at the same time rayn posted his plan. Let me check. rayn's plan: Your last post of this series of posts: So if you weren't aware of this plan, you were not reading the thread. So you are following the thread sentiment ?? WTF IT IS NOT MY PLAN If even if YOU think I'm not townie as I think, ARE YOU SAYING THE PLAN IS BAD ? Well yes I do remember that post but I wouldnt say 5 words = a plan he's directing a cop check and the cop might not even do that you are flailing now so im even 5% more sure you're scum 95-105% you're scum. you get scum bonus points. want a brownie? | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:35 Rels wrote: OK, no way you could be this dumb (= So you will explain very cleanly what is bad about taking good ideas from other people and applying them Then you will quote the ideas I took and explain how I disformed them to give my team an advantage ok he just slipped here look how shady his wording is "disformed them to give my team an advantage" like he's begging for us to look at him as town LOL this guy is hilarious | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:37 Rels wrote: Oh OK, I understand where you're coming from Well I made a mistake so this is valid appealing to authority | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:37 Vivax wrote: Rels is NEVER mafia in this game, BM. Nitpicking over that stuff is just ridiculous. He's pretty much the guy who puts himself out there the most in this game and does a shitton of research out of his own motivation. The only way you don't see this is cause you aren't town. his "research" is largely stolen, at least in the last 10 pages. There are 3 major instances of this. 1) cop plan 2) lynch analysis 3) wagon analysis | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: BM he actually has a point because i kinda find it really hard to believe you have a strong town read on me based on early game (i had basically said geript is town, LS is mafia, cop check should be directed because of reasons). And then you... just what? forget one of these things and use it against him when it should be a reason to TOWNread him (as you are basically townreading me for the same thing)? who is "him" here? Rels? Vivax? who has a point? Rels? Vivax? use what against who? i dont see how using logic A for player A means logic A works for player b you're being illogical | ||
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if someone is strong at setup speculation (you) and i know you do that as town (you do) which you were doing earlygame i am going to townread that person if someone wins a lot as town and im town im going to try to make sure i read that person as town as soon as possible i did that with you, i felt comfortable you were town, and then i continued on from there. i felt like geript could be mafia because you townread him didnt matter he had a series of small(ish) posts and wasnt really pushing the thread forward in the way i would have liked to see him. i dont read geript as easily as i read you. your town and mafia play are COMPLETELY different whereas he is kind of similar in his town and mafia play As mafia you were really kind of quiet on voice mafia and you would only speak up every now and then to try to do what you would have to do to act like you would act when you were town. when you were town you would basically tell people to shut up and do what you would want to do look here... you're like "no wait" "bm you need to X" it's obv you're town to me based upon our voice mafia play | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I make a plan. Rels agrees with it. You townread me. You scumread him FOR agreeing with me. You are using "sheeping rayn" against him. And I AM BEING ILLOGICAL? no im scumreading him for stealing peoples posts and plagiarizing them | ||
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On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote: I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before. Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred. I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong So here is the first thing he stole: On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote: OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. On September 19 2015 14:44 Tictock wrote: Vote Count: ~24hrs before EoD LightningStrike (2): The Shining (1): Dandel Ion (1): Rels Damdred (5): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): Rels raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky Vivax (1): geript EoDVote Count LightningStrike (2): The Shining (0): Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript Damdred (2): Bill Murray (0): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, Vivax (0): EoDVote Count: Cleaned up with colors! Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion Damdred (2): Bill Murray, Vivax Holy Grail Vote geript (7): raynpelikoneet, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion Vivax (4): Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike Fecalfeast (1): Fecalfeast Ok this doesn't really tell us a whole lot, or at least I dont see much information from this, but maybe someone who is better with VCA stuff cna read more into it than I, also now we have a couple of VCs for D1 to look at. The runaway train that grew on Dandel probably has all the mafia on it. Rayn has been pretty clearly town, Vivax is unCC'd and I'm leaning town on BM, so that's where I'm going to put my focus. Damdred, LS and FF and an outside chance of Fidei are the people I'm thinking are most likely scum. I'm not really sure if I'm still scum reading Fidei, but I'm gunna leave him on the scummier side of null for now untill I get a chance to reread him. I know that he's playing in multiple games at once so that split of his focus might be affecting my read on him. And then stealing tictocks On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote: Pretty cool (= I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is: EoDVote Count LightningStrike (2): The Shining (0): Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript Damdred (2): Bill Murray (0): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, Vivax (0): Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS. I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:41 Vivax wrote: And rayn keeps bringing this cop argument when he should realize as well that the cop claim is only worth it if he got off at least two checks. Or me and the cop get souped the next night for just one witch. Rayn puts it as if Damdred's alignment was relevant but he doesn't really care while he keeps using that excuse to not do anything about Dam and push the easy lynch LS. So rayn is mafia too, which also explains BM's odd behaviour towards rayn on D1. Just not sure who between FF/Damdred is the most likely third. FF gave me a weird impression during the course of the game but if Dam is town then I don't know why he's (not) playing like that. vivax that wouldnt be that bad we are gonna hit mylo if we have odd number kills losing you + cop for 1 red is actually worth it that way it doesnt end up 3 town 1 maf potentially (3 town is worse than 2 in that scenario) On September 20 2015 21:46 Rels wrote: The ONLY time when this is scummy is if I disform the original post to get my team an advantage so show me where I did that or show me where the original plan was bad otherwise your reasonning is super bad you did that with my post | ||
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Furthermore, if what he's claiming is true, and the WW is dead ... WW strategy is right out because Dandelion was the Grandler and WW strategy only worked with an alive Pope or Grandler | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: DOUBLE CC IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE WE FUCKING LOST THREE PEOPLE AT NIGHT. Fuck why do i end up playing this setup with dumb people. I really hope i was mafia.... I agree that Vivax is playing subpar this game | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:01 Rels wrote: OK BM claim I am mafia for stealing people's idea and posting them As I said, the only time it is scum indicative is if I disform ideas to get my team an advantage And he couldn't prove that he is mafia you're gonna call me mafia for 0 reason when I have a huge case on you? You know only mafia do that to me right? Oh my god, you suck | ||
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you are a parakeet you steal other peoples words rels is the parakeet-mafia | ||
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You don't have to twist ideas to be parroting things for town credit I dont have to do it for any check when you are trying to steal ideas to look town I dont have to do it for vote counts but I could. You didnt analyze grail vote or half of the vote at all. You cherrypicked certain parts of the vote. I havent analyzed the check enough to do it yet but i could easily do it with the other 2 You saying you shared my conclusion is the most credit you have fucking given me for that. YOu didnt even quote my original post you quoted tictock discussing it with me because you wouldnt EVER want to give me credit for the work i've done you are all about credit and the thing is the credit you deserve is none because you are mafia who steals | ||
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i made the post so you all would come to the conclusion i already came to imade the post to explain the conclusion not to get any credit or anything i want to try to help town if you are town u need to post less u have coming up on a 15 page filter bro | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:17 Rels wrote: LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS YOU QUOTED IT you didnt even call me scum for this post and most of this is misinformation you have been soft pushing me the entire game and the minute someone else called me scum you jumped at the opportunity to fake a case on me i have already refuted this point by point the case i made on you you have not refuted because you are not realizing what i am saying you say you would have to make information disinformation but the point isnt that you would make it disinformation but that you are stealing it in the first place to make your filter look good | ||
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i then said you had a plan with the cop check rayn corrected me and said it was his plan i then did research and noticed a 3rd time you have done this exact same thing and stolen from people if i delved deeper into your 15 page filter (i am honestly too lazy and already believe you are scum) i could probably find more/further examples/analysis of you doing the exact same thing i also have found cases of you playing with scum motivation towards bw | ||
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Scumandeering: Active scum. he has a 15 page filter and is pushing his agenda out there as much as possible. Some scum play like this, and when you have one by the hairs, you need to lynch them as soon as possible. I don't think anyone has posted as much as this guy so you all need to trust me that he's red. WIFOM: sentences like "if i was scum i would take these posts and twist these around for my scum win condition" that Rels is making are sheer wifom. There are other examples of him using WIFOM, even in the last couple pages. Look at the way he's reacting to Rayn's 5 words directing the cop check. Rels is acting like that's solid gold, when we have 0 information regarding whether or not the cop actually checked Damdred. OK, if the cop fucking checked Damdred off 5 words, great, but we don't fucking know that. WIFOM. Wine in front of me. Sicilian. Whatever. OMGUS: Rels goes from "maybe maf, i don't know" (after townleaning me a half a day ago) to "OMG MAF KILL IT LYNCH IT WITH FIRE" on me the second I make a case on him. This is typical mafia behavior. He even started to all caps and flail relating to my case on him, trying to not only discredit my case, but also me in general Parroting: He has blatantly stolen analysis from 3 different players, if not more. Be careful if you're town, Rels will probably steal credit for any and all of your ideas! Lying: The act of stealing peoples stuff and then barely giving them, if at all, credit for it is lying in and of itself. Guy is scum so he is lying anytime he acts like he isn't. Mudslinging: This is where he was mudslinging. He wants to call me an idiot, and act like I'm stupid, because he knows the case on him is rock solid. Why ? Because he knows everyones roles? maybe. I'll let you be the judge. Misinformation: Him acting like he was in a town circle d1 LOL ok no | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:27 Rels wrote: Oh and I found the other post I was looking for: LOLOL yeah this just shows how much of a lying flipflop you are you call me town and then today you go from scumlean to voting me in 1 page because i make a solid ass case on you bro i really hope when i lynch you you dont cry into your pillow | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you this fucking bad or what? I am fucking done posting in this game before the lynch. This is retarded as fuck. he is flailing as scum because i am pressuring him he has devolved into OMGUS | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:32 LightningStrike wrote: I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in Himalayas Mafia I want that game out of my mind T_T LS you need to quit worrying about you and worry about who is scum in this game do some scumhunting ... | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:34 LightningStrike wrote: HTS can attest to that I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in her game(Himalayas Mafia). OK WHO CARES | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:36 Rels wrote: haha guys im scum i am sorry i like baguettes | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:37 LightningStrike wrote: Rels is obviously joking BM. No he isnt. He is flailing. He is REALLY MAD that I've called him out. He's so nervous he is attempting to laugh it off, as Jeb Bush did when Donald Trump was stealing the spotlight. Rels is Jeb Bush. | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:38 Rels wrote: I cut a part in which you said something I can prove is false I'm waiting for you to confirm you said it purposefully and not by typing too fast or whatever So I can prove you're scum Quote my entire post. You cutting my post is scummy as fuck. | ||
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On September 16 2015 10:30 The Shining wrote: Since I look better based on my re-entry, would you mind addressing my points against you? If you could help me feel better about you, that'd be great. Because you seem to have read my post but you didn't mention anything about me calling you out for playing with me before but not picking up on my not liking D1 and not really playing Mondays/Tuesdays, although you mentioned my not liking D1 to Damdred. | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:48 Rels wrote: But you said that: You said it would be great if cop fucking checked Damdred off 5 words. And you say we don't fucking know that. Well, I pushed rayn's plan so hard last night that I am 100% sure the cop checked Damdred if he is alive. So you think either of this: 1 - I didn't push rayn's plan too hard. This is false and you are scum for pushing something so obviously false. 2 - I did push rayn's plan, the one you think is good. But you think me parroting rayn's plan is scummy. It doesn't make sense. You are scum. That is not what I said at all. I said you are using WIFOM and that was the 1 example I gave of that Rels is red for strawmanning | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:37 Bill Murray wrote: let me reread and try to find his partner(s) On September 20 2015 22:55 Rels wrote: alright mafia time to find your partners now within 1 hour he steals my line Rels is the Red-Parakeet All he does is parrot me If we don't lynch him today, I'm afraid we never will More votes on Rels | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:58 Rels wrote: So rayn is spewed town by BM fidei may be too, for this line about me attacking easy mislynches and fido being the next Will read carefully to see if there are others LOL You're acting like you read a 7 page filter in 1 minute? | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:02 Rels wrote: yeah maybe 'cause I opened your filter and the first post was "rayn is town" rayn IS town | ||
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Bill Murray Vivax raynpelikoneet Tictock Half the Sky Fidei86 Fecalfeast LightningStrike Damdred Rels Scum Would lynch less Bill Murray Vivax raynpelikoneet Tictock Fidei86 Half the Sky Fecalfeast Damdred LightningStrike Rels Would lynch more | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:04 Rels wrote: didn't even realize it. It doesn't really rhyme p: i wrote it in 10 seconds, give me a break | ||
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I used to be really really active and play like I am now http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/133561-tl-mafia-xxviii TL Mafia 28 - AKA Allahu Akhbar | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote: Whatever though, we're lynching BM. @HTS though: I think LS is town because LS cannot lie. Please say it if LS is in fact capable of this. LOL nope. If people want to follow the good case on the red we're lynching YOU | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:13 Rels wrote: no one else is spewed town by BM so mechanically speaking two scums are in here: Damdred FF TT HTS FF scum is no surprise. I really hope inquisitor is dead and Damdred is the last one. I'm pretty sure TT is town and I think HTS is too. distancing himself from TT here. this is what he did with me before he voted me. he's leaving opportunities to vote TT / Damdred / FF Rels is gonna turn on any of you all if we don't get rid of him now. He's scum... and he's cluttering the game with all his posts... so we need to do this sooner rather than later. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:32 Bill Murray wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: RELS On September 20 2015 22:29 Rels wrote: ##DeadlineUnvote ##DeadlineVote Bill Murray that's convincing enough You voted me within half an hour of me voting you for no reason other than I have a case on you. (= | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:22 Rels wrote: LOL I am the one cluttering the thread ? And how am I distancing from anyone ? It's called analysing the game. Those 4 people are the only ones not spewed town by you or having claimed something Anyway leaving now. Good luck convincing others p: can't wait to read that haha you're even going to parrot me leaving at this point, even if you are town, im keeping my vote on you the entirety of this game | ||
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I'm going to have to ignore this guy I see why he wanted to push me now, because I was starting to analyze the situation we're in. He took the analysis I did, and twisted it on its head to his own ends. If he's town, he needs to post less. His banter with me created 5 pages of filter for me. The post he stole from me was from 10 hours ago. It's 10:30am and I haven't been to bed. the last 3 hours of my life have been filled with arguing with this scum. I am so sure Rels is red it's not funny. This is how scum react to me when I am pressuring them; they try to push me | ||
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On September 21 2015 01:12 Half the Sky wrote: Alright. I'm on my way home, I was out all last night, I was out all day today. Since the husband is going into League marathon mode before work tonight (kill me please) I am setting aside HOURS to sort through this shit. Offhand as I recall the questions - is LS capable of lying/fakeclaim history OFFHAND - I know for a fact he fakeclaimed Named Town in Himalayas and that was massive controversy after he rescinded the fakeclaim. He had a MAJOR breakdown when the pressure piled on him that almost got him in trouble with the hosting team (Fecalfeast and I had some discussion on it) but ultimately we settled for a post-game warning (reference Ban List 2.0) - has LS ever fakeclaimed as mafia? Honestly NOT THAT I RECALL. I think he was lynched very early and picked off early in Witchcraft 3. In TL LXX Guardians he was tracked to the N1 kill. In my first ever game, Student IV, he sacrificed himself, both blues were dead so he did not fakeclaim. - is he capable of lying? honestly he has a very difficult time. He said so himself in Witchcraft 3. He doesn't like playing scum because of the lying. - is he capable of breaking meta? Well in JOAT he fooled us once, but he played VERY close to meta as coached by geript. To my knowledge he hasn't broken meta in a manner that benefits him as mafia. well take into consideration i had about 2 days with him as scum on the same team and even if we didnt have the best D1 and he got mislynched i believe i showed him the light on how to play mafia somewhat... so he's likely gotten better. That being said, do I believe he's scum here? probably not. On September 21 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote: 2000 my time is not a problem btw. Will be here before and through. Also the meta for FF I'm seeing so far is the "lazy town" meta. I'm reading through Carnaval for possible parallels, but he's spammy as shit there. And I mean really spammy "shit up the thread". Rels having 17 pages of filter btw I'm not sure is indicative. I don't think he's been mafia but his posts have had direction and he scumhunts in a very conversational fashion, fishing for reactions and such. Which contributes to his longer filter. The question to hit upon is whether he's misleading and misdirectional if anything and so far I'm not seeing it. someone doesnt have to be misleading to be mafia. On September 21 2015 01:59 Half the Sky wrote: EBWOP - on Rels - "I don't think he's been mafia before on TL and in this game his posts have had... you just saved me some time. I was about to hunt for games he/she has played where he/she is mafia. On September 21 2015 02:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Is there any situation where we want to use the IML mechanic as town? It seems to me like longer days are always the best way to go unless we have an outed mafia spamming gifs or something Yes. When the mafia has an 18 page filter. On September 21 2015 02:30 Half the Sky wrote: Nope. The OGI is related to your personal life, which is why I stopped short of talking about it. I highlighted the parts from stuff you said about your university coursework that alluded to it. I admit I am a bit cautious on you breaking meta to lie but for what I know it is still in the tinfoil world for me - you've never done it before and you openly admitted in QTs/etc that you don't want to/won't do it - and I'd be a bit more concerned if you were still alive late game. The fact that BM had to coach you on Skype on how to pull it off (and you still couldn't) in witchcraft 3 is clear indication enough. In Guardians I don't think you had to deal with any of that, and you claimed scum anyhow when you were tracked by Trfel. You didn't even try getting around it at all. i didnt coach him how to lie... it's not like that. if you're mafia you don't lie so much as you convince yourself what you're saying is truth. if you believe it's true, it isn't lying (to you) On September 21 2015 02:40 Rels wrote: Your page argument is stupid though. I don't know why having 17 pages is alignment indicative It's not, and I never said that reason in my case on you. It's just something that makes me adjust how I need to get you lynched, not the reasoning for the actual lynch itself. OK This is a straight up lie. Rels was DEFINITELY talking to FecalFeast when he said "well we'll see ... tommorrow ill summarize why you are scum" here's why 1) he's already made a case on me, so there's no way "tomorrow he'll summarize why you are scum" is directed towards me 2) the comment was right after FF was talking to Rels 3) This interaction makes me believe FecalFeast could easily be Rels partner . I could see Rels/FF/LS | ||
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In 1 hour he goes from "FF scum is no surprise" to "FF is town" He's backtracking on a JEEP tell He votes me while FoSing his partner .... a JEEP tell. If he merely FoSes him and throws a little shit on him, he can wipe it off the next day, and FecalFeast is still alive. hell, this way, where he's backtracking, flipflopping, and blatantly lying to you guys, he won't even have to do anything... wish you guys would help me dig his grave though he's obviously scum to me i wish you guys could see it On September 21 2015 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now if people cant fucking understand that really easy fact that should be clear for like a 10yr old, then i don't see qa reason why i should be posting here rn. you ok bro? shouldnt we see if LS+vivax get souped tonight? we should... Give him 1 cycle, and if they don't soup, i'll consider voting him with you. I really am starting to believe he might be town. A lot of people are. Sure, he's stubborn, unhelpful, and toxic towards town, but he could be a buffer against us losing, mathematically speaking. On September 21 2015 03:00 Rels wrote: OK I got it. If we decided to lynch town today, the best lynch would be ls since he claimed By that logic, we should have lynched vivax yesterday Lynching mafia > lynching claimed town > lynching unclaimed town But here is what we can do. If we cannot agree to a target before deadline, the judge should lynch ls On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote: to lynch town today On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote: lynch town did i just read that right... | ||
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On September 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: and what kinda idiotic statement this is? the situation is completely different. he's scum. On September 21 2015 03:05 Rels wrote: I would lynch ls if I was 50% unsure he was mafia But I am maybe 90% sure he's town. And I'm 90% sure bm is mafia And don't play your martyr. You know very well that if you really want ls lynch, you'll get ls lynch. You always manage to convince me to do what you think this post actually is +town on Rels a little for me sadly I was pretty convinced he was scum even if this is appealing to authority, he might be town... shew I hate when I am wrong. I would still lynch Rels though, because he's the best case I have. Kind of wavering on my resolve here, because this conversationalist tone feels relatively honest to me | ||
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Will probably move my vote, but might not. Sorry LS. | ||
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On September 21 2015 03:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I will sheep rayn in lieu of reading words ##deadlinevote ls what do you mean here? (ff) On September 21 2015 03:06 Rels wrote: You know what I agree to lynch ls if the exorcist shoot bm @ RELS (BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEED THIS WARNING) ;( ........ i already told people NOT TO DO THIS. Geript did it and it was BAD PLAY why the hell would you claim what role you're not? that's terrible !!! Do you understand what souping is??? DO.NOT.CLAIM.WHAT.ROLE.YOU'RE.NOT On September 21 2015 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would prefer James but i don't really care about this game anymore. Maybe you are right but i am 90% sure BM is not mafia. If people won't even try to understand why this thing must be played in a certain way when there are soup kills and mafia gets the roles of NK'd ppl then it's going to be impossible to win already. OH AND RAYN CHIMES IN THANKS FOR HELPING MAFIA GUYS On September 21 2015 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to try to say this once more. The reason why Vivax claimed on D1 is because then people cannot hide behind claims and HAVE to play this game by just.. playing the game. There are people who do that as town, like Dandel. Apparently he didn't give any fucks and i hate it. And i know it's because he just.. .didn't give a shit because "he gets to shoot anyways". Which is idiotic. That role is one of the best roles lategame because it cannot be counterclaimed ever, otherwise you just die. Well, LS has not played, at all. When geript died mafia got his role. Now LS claims the ONLY thing that he can basically ever claim as mafia. Because it can (and i believe mafia thinks it will) force out a counter claim. LS is going to die anyways if he doesn't claim and he knows that. If he claims he does the best thing for scum if someone counter-claims. Because then mafia can STILL soup two people. Vivax, and the claim. Here is why the lynch is the best: 1) LS is mafia - obviously best scenario 2) LS is town and we lynch him - we know he is town because exorcist shoot someone, hopefully mafia (yes i am really sure James is mafia), on D3 -> D2/N2 there were 2 dead town, 1 dead mafia 3) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch mafia instead - On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. SAME FUCKING POSITION. 4) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots mafia. On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. WORSE FUCKING POSITION. 5) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots LS. On N2 mafia kills whoever. WORSE FUCKING POSITION. The only scenario, even if we lynch mafia that is not LS, is WORSE/SAME than lynching him. The only scenario which is BETTER is if we lynch him and is mafia. IT IS THE BEST PLAY REGARDLESS OF HIS AFFILIATION. there is only 1 problem with your plan, but i really can't say what it is right now it's not really a problem, it's just slightly better scenario for us (in my opinion) and really is in regards to playstyle in general so it is semantic and doesn't have meaning to this conversation Really excellent post, point, and sentiment, Rayn. Bravo. Glad I'm already voting LS because this is an S+ concept. Buy more wards, though :D On September 21 2015 03:21 LightningStrike wrote: Not worries Rayn Geript and I forgive you and so will God LMFAO LOL On September 21 2015 03:54 Fecalfeast wrote: which post do you mean from me? I don't think we should assume he is a green check and I think he is still on the table for lynch. I think the lack of a red check claim might buy him today but if he doesn't pick it up I don't care about implied cop checks I feel like FecalFeast dodged the meat and bones of HtS's questions here... FF's response doesn't sit well with me. I can't put my finger on why, though. On September 21 2015 05:19 Tictock wrote: I'm a little confused by this question. My "numbers post" had nothing to do with LS, it was purely an attempt to make sure that a claim and soup kill today did not leave town in a shitty spot. Why is my post dumb? There was 3 people who did the exact same type of post. What about mine in particular is dumb? If LS is town and we lynch him then town is pretty SoL. Being 5/3 or at best 6/2 going into D3 is going to suck. Even worse if the crusader gets picked off and takes a townie with him. I'm not completly sold on it just yet, but I'm thinking it's pretty likely LS is scum at this juncture. (Shoutout to Waffel-Boy who couldn't be in this game). Mostly my read on him is based on his lack of reads despite having a large filter. I also thought his position on Dandel was strange going into EoD. He asked at one point if we thought Dandel was just trolling or was mafia. Rels posted a mafia case on Dandel well before EoD (when LS was around, but he ignored/missed it) then a few hours before EoD LS comes back calling Dandel trolly town. Other than that "read" I've only seen LS give opinions on Geript, Damdred, Rayn, and when pushed rather un-opinionated reads on myself and Fidei. @ BM This reminded me you asked me a questions about LS's long post about his Damdred read. I thought it was a pretty useless post, tbh. All he really did was pull a bunch of quotes from his filter and state what each was a response to. Was made even more useless since Vivax had just been asking him for reads, but then he goes and rehashed an old read like he was proving something. I forgot I asked you about that, but I'm glad you remembered. I just thought it was odd, especially the fact he called it a long post. It was just a few short snippets of responses that felt discombobulated ... almost as if his teammate made the post for him. It didn't sound like an LS post in general... I'm going to go reread that. I'm glad you brought this up. | ||
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On September 21 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote: At least I know I will be in a better place if I get lynched and actually talk with geript about who to angel save. this is a game, not real life; you're not going to heaven if you wanna look at it that way, though, if you're really the pope, you should be happy with where you're at right now .... all you can really do here as town is SCUMHUNT like i've said to do... like... go through pages 1-70... pick page 57 for example... and read through it trying to find whose words would have come from scum. If you want a good idea to do, while doing that, that will help you, read what people are saying and try to not look at their names... just read the words that are being posted.... that way you aren't reading it like the person posted that and you're reading what they posted instead which would help you if you do this for me ill unvote you and try to get other people to lynch someone else because im not as sure you're scum as everyone else is sure you're scum... i really would like to give you 1 more day to see where you are at this game and put you on probation instead of sending you to the noose Will you do that for me? go to pages Fifty Seven to Sixty and just read them and talk about 2 to 3 people that are scum. dont talk about who is town, talk about who is scum. dont give information about what they said so much as do analysis of why they are scum for saying it and what makes them scum for the motivation of doing it. | ||
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On September 21 2015 05:22 Tictock wrote: Oh shit I forgot about this role if we mislynch again today... I'm bad. 3rd person falling for Rels trap Rels brings up a role, 2 people have claimed not being it THANKS FOR HELPING MAFIA GUYS | ||
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"Vivax said my Damdred read had very little substance or something along those lines and I made that post explaining my position on Damdred throughout the game and why I thought the things I did during those posts." Well, in your defense, Damdred has had very little substance, low impact, and no energy So how could your case have a lot of substance, when there isn't anything to build it off of? | ||
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On September 21 2015 08:00 LightningStrike wrote: But in all honesty it might be the best to lynch me so I can tell Geript how bad his read on me was and actually try to make hero plays with the Angel Saves Mechanics did you even read my post asking you to do something? it's like 2 posts above yours here. Do you read? | ||
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On September 21 2015 07:58 Bill Murray wrote: this is a game, not real life; you're not going to heaven if you wanna look at it that way, though, if you're really the pope, you should be happy with where you're at right now .... all you can really do here as town is SCUMHUNT like i've said to do... like... go through pages 1-70... pick page 57 for example... and read through it trying to find whose words would have come from scum. If you want a good idea to do, while doing that, that will help you, read what people are saying and try to not look at their names... just read the words that are being posted.... that way you aren't reading it like the person posted that and you're reading what they posted instead which would help you if you do this for me ill unvote you and try to get other people to lynch someone else because im not as sure you're scum as everyone else is sure you're scum... i really would like to give you 1 more day to see where you are at this game and put you on probation instead of sending you to the noose Will you do that for me? go to pages Fifty Seven to Sixty and just read them and talk about 2 to 3 people that are scum. dont talk about who is town, talk about who is scum. dont give information about what they said so much as do analysis of why they are scum for saying it and what makes them scum for the motivation of doing it. | ||
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On September 21 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote: Will do but I don't think it will be worth it >.< It will be worth it because if you are mislynched as town, we can use your analysis ! | ||
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On September 21 2015 05:30 Tictock wrote: Who did I bash? When? I question and try to think things through. I even asked if there was holes in my thinking. Also... Takes one to know one i guess. just ignore rayn... he's a drunk On September 21 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote: Wrapping up a game of dota....lord support mirana is annoying as fuck. Especially when none of your teammates speak English >_< support mirana is a thing? On September 21 2015 05:40 LightningStrike wrote: Okay guys who are not familar with my meta here some filters I want you guys to check from the database. Games that similar in nature like this from my end: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike Games I had been scum in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike Lightning, if you wanna be REALLY HELPFUL, make some lists like this for OTHER players :D Like what games FecalFeast, myself, or HtS are town/scum in! hell, do it for everyone. That would be killer. You could also make a spreadsheet detailing how the thread progresses. That would be super helpful On September 21 2015 05:50 Half the Sky wrote: Done with the game in question. LS, my understanding is you are being lynched for strategic reasons (at least according to rayn) and nothing is going to stop that, judging from the votes. I think your best bet is to find someone that is a higher probability of being scum than you are. Other than Damdred, I disagree with the lack of check, I get both sides of the story but assuming all the fallen thus far are town and Damdred is one of the three scum, who else is bad in your books? im still iffy on shining-scum. it's like 70:30 but hell that's better than none On September 21 2015 05:51 Half the Sky wrote: EBWOP - like I'd rather lynch into my scumlist but right now I'm outnumbered. this is a bad mentality. Not everyone is vibing Rayn's leadership right now (at least i'm not) yeah he's town but other people can pick lynches better On September 21 2015 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: It's almost 2200 here. Still nothing from Fidei. (He was not in dota with me just now.) Would appreciate a few more pressure votes please. has he been posting elsewhere? Fido is normally a lot more helpful than this On September 21 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote: Well honestly he not been posting as much as I recalled him doing in Himalayas when he was mason with Tina plus scum love to defend townies all the time and he defended me the hardest(I think) and he didn't do much other than defend me. He seem to be much more detached to this game than I ever seen him as town but him being the other game bu the explanation for it so(shrugs) wow this is an excellent post, Lightning ##unvote | ||
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people who got townpoints in my catchup - tictock Rels FecalFeast (a little) HalfTheSky (a lot!) People I'm not as sure of Rayn Damdred People I'm trying to not give up on LS FidelCastro p.s. I still think Rayn is town but he lost town points for me today. went from A+ town to B- town. I don't even think he's my strongest townread at this point. Probably something like this for me at the current moment: Me (i know my role) Vivax (uncced) TT (been super helpful) LS (has made the best case in the last 30 pages) HtS (clearly committed to the game, but can keep things casual, or serious... i like that a lot from her) Rayn (i feel like my townread on him early may have had me biased on reading him as town all game) Rels (im starting to think our argument might have been town on town... maybe we rubbed each other the wrong way) FecalFeast (this guy is really really really hard for me to read. I can't get any meta read on him whatsofuckingever) Damdred (hes supposedly catching up but im not sure if he really is... seems like he is busy in his scum Quicktopic) FidelCastro (LS brought up a lot of good points on why this guy is scum) omg i just listed everyone off the top of my head!! I'm super duper proud and excited :D | ||
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ooooh what about Rayn/Damdred/Fidel That could be why Rayn is so pissed off and drinking... because his teammates are lurking when they shouldnt be and are considered good players! | ||
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i still have you in my bottom 4 which is my scum category you just made a good post which vaulted you above Damdred/Fidel (the lurkers), Rels. On September 21 2015 16:52 Rels wrote: BTW this is where your scumread started: But this is NOT what happened. This happened: Vivax told that inquisitor shouldn't claim even with a red check, so I wanted to do a quick analysis to see if I agreed: So you either didn't read the post above or forgot it. that is NOT where my scumread started I called you out 4 days to a week ago or whenever it was the game started on DAY ONE | ||
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On September 21 2015 16:52 Rels wrote: BTW this is where your scumread started: But this is NOT what happened. This happened: Vivax told that inquisitor shouldn't claim even with a red check, so I wanted to do a quick analysis to see if I agreed: So you either didn't read the post above or forgot it. I did read that post but I stay away from setup speculation if im not in the center of the town circle do you not realize that you directing the vigilante has created 3 people that mafia now know ARENT the vigilante? inquisitor is going to get deductively souped if we keep this up... huh... is that what you want? huh. just making a little money before my check comes in. On September 21 2015 16:54 Rels wrote: OK I still think BM is mafia, essentially because this post is still true: But if we're lynching LS anyway it will wait another day. that is NOT what I claimed as to WHY you are scum you are scum because you make a huge filter for yourself by taking thread sentiment that other people have ... who to lynch, what to analyze, how to direct the blues.... and you are the epitome of a scum-copycat i CAN see town motivation for doing what you're doing, but I want to ask you, what would be the reason to bring the good ideas back up? On September 21 2015 17:04 Rels wrote: Now we need to talk about the check target Obviously if fidei isn't lynched or shot, we need to check him. So, if fidei is alive N2; check him IMO. Now he will probably get shot, so we need to decide a check target. I think TT is the best check because: - I think he's town - some people thinks he's mafia, so he's an easy mislynch - there is a good chance he's alive until the end of the game No. Check Fidel. He's a GREAT check. Inquisitor can just go on someone else. yeah and i already called him out on that. | ||
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On September 21 2015 17:21 Rels wrote: Yeah but you only attacked me after I made this filter dive on you. Which is what YOU accused me of doing. that is not true. reread Day 1. you want ignored? Quit responding to me; you are being very childish | ||
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(posted this about an hour after he popped up) On September 21 2015 07:04 Damdred wrote: Hi friend sim back just now will be catching up here and posting some as I read + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2015 08:20 Bill Murray wrote: aaaaannnndddd... i'm all caught up people who got townpoints in my catchup - tictock Rels FecalFeast (a little) HalfTheSky (a lot!) People I'm not as sure of Rayn Damdred People I'm trying to not give up on LS FidelCastro p.s. I still think Rayn is town but he lost town points for me today. went from A+ town to B- town. I don't even think he's my strongest townread at this point. Probably something like this for me at the current moment: Me (i know my role) Vivax (uncced) TT (been super helpful) LS (has made the best case in the last 30 pages) HtS (clearly committed to the game, but can keep things casual, or serious... i like that a lot from her) Rayn (i feel like my townread on him early may have had me biased on reading him as town all game) Rels (im starting to think our argument might have been town on town... maybe we rubbed each other the wrong way) FecalFeast (this guy is really really really hard for me to read. I can't get any meta read on him whatsofuckingever) Damdred (hes supposedly catching up but im not sure if he really is... seems like he is busy in his scum Quicktopic) FidelCastro (LS brought up a lot of good points on why this guy is scum) omg i just listed everyone off the top of my head!! I'm super duper proud and excited :D On September 21 2015 08:20 Bill Murray wrote: Damdred (hes supposedly catching up but im not sure if he really is... seems like he is busy in his scum Quicktopic) On September 21 2015 08:01 Bill Murray wrote: Damdred has had very little substance, low impact, and no energy | ||
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Consider me the last hope for your butthole to not be mollested by rednecks | ||
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going to bed damdred's inactivity + how he acted towards shining D1 is reason enough to lynch him Lightning has been much more active and bleeding town in comparison | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:06 Rels wrote: that is fucking impressive! did he win that game ? i started off 15 wins 10 losses here in my first 25 games i have gotten older, and started caring less | ||
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that was very very good for us mathematically | ||
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no way they would do that damdred or the shining one of them was maf 100% so it's 7 town 2 maf and we have a couple mislynches unless we get soup sniped which im not afraid of because we are not claiming our roles so much | ||
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bullshit i voted him multiple days in a row i started the case on him i was the first vote on him problem?>-9 | ||
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im going to claim | ||
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guarantee i wont be cc'ed and my role is highly testable so i can be confirmed as town | ||
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1) you all didnt deadline vote 2) you all didnt fucking let me speak 3) you all put 5 votes on me for no fucking reason I was the Judge. I was town. Good fucking game. I'm never playing on this website again. | ||
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never playing here again anyways so peace bitches | ||
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