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EDIT: Ergh, I missed the "skilled" part of that message. Not really sure what calibre of players you're looking for, but keeping active shouldn't be a problem.
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/in EDIT: Ergh, I missed the "skilled" part of that message. Not really sure what calibre of players you're looking for, but keeping active shouldn't be a problem. | ||
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(On the contrary, the way it went in Aperture 4, never again.) And as usual, I hate to ask this question at the risk of getting shot, but is there a reasonable guess as to when EoD might be? | ||
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On April 29 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote: /in i'm gonna pretend i have no doubt that i meet the minimum requirements of being skilled and being a player people actually enjoy playing with :/ LOL? I'm one of the worst town players on TL. If I'm in, I don't think you need to worry. | ||
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On April 30 2015 05:58 Xatalos wrote: /out :/ *starts to dance with Xatalos* Damn, I wanted to play another with you, even if we wind up opposite alignments....again. <3 | ||
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On May 02 2015 07:04 Jean Valjean wrote: /out I was away for a day in another game and got modkilled. As such I consider myself banned for now. Bans do not occur until post-game Jean. You have a PM incoming. | ||
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On May 07 2015 21:44 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2015 21:34 Palmar wrote: marv who do you want to win this election thing? Tories Ergh. I don't want to get into UK politics here, but I can see exactly why you are saying this :/ | ||
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Should be okay this weekend. Next weekend (15-16 May) if I make it that far, I'll be inactive from Friday night through all of Saturday since I'll be in a wedding. | ||
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*shudders and braces herself for another 5am deadline* | ||
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On May 09 2015 07:37 Stutters695 wrote: I would love to, this sounds awesome, but I'm currently in two games and certainly couldn't handle 3 Not anymore | ||
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Town here. Again. *happy dance* Excited for this game, particularly with some of the possible roles I've not seen yet in normal games (puppeteer, dreamflower, pardoner, nuker etc). | ||
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I'm back. Catching up. Though this jumped at me and I see others are saying it. On May 11 2015 00:41 LightningStrike wrote: [...] It's still early I don't feel like commiting to much myself so early. Also I did read some of the past posts myself it just some of them weren't really stuff I would like to comment on. It's generally a scum tendency to not want to draw attention to themselves. Why are you afraid to lean one way or another on someone? Generally when you meta read someone or compare points on meta you're a bit more confident. In Newbie LX I was scum, but here if my entrance is not great, I only "could" be scum? | ||
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Kelsier - Through the course of the game yes - particularly when I was pushing him D2 and after I died, he was calling me scum hardcore (the only one to do so) in that game. You'd have to read either in the obs qt or the post-game but he was particularly noted for being the only one to scumread me all game, that's how he stuck out that game. Also Kels, I find it interesting you pulled that up because in this game he's saying On May 10 2015 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: [...] I remember HTS overreacting to my opening post in Newbie LX and everyone talked about it so it could be alignment indicative for her O_o[spoiler] [...] He's saying that because I was scum in Newbie LX, that my opening this game could be alignment indicative. Though that still raises an interesting point. Why does he say "alignment indicative" instead of straight up calling me scummy or leaning scum on me? | ||
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Other observations Slight townleans on Ras and Trfel. On Ras, I know she didn't explicitly state her conclusion but I thought it was pretty easy to infer where she stood on us given the language she used. "Not on the same side" for instance. I also get the sense that Trfel is critically reading from his first 1-3 posts. Pointing out willingness to interact is generally a town trait. (I also didn't find Ras's formatting difficult to sort through, but I digress. And the difference between her and LS is that LS openly admitting he doesn't want to commit as well.) Things that jumped out at me: Yamato's list post - Bats/BH/Bill Murray all fall into the category (null so far) of having posted much about nothing, nothing in terms of figuring out people's alignment. So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy. Regarding Damdred, my only issue with his play is that he's using some words that appear non-committal (like "decent tone"), so I can see where Xatalos is thinking the play is a cover for bad reads. I think he way he's fleshed out his reads make me think there's a townlean about him. That said, looking at GB's criticism of him it's also entirely possible that Damdred would have missed GB's reads whilst interacting with Kelsier seeing when everything was happening. Also looking at TalkingDead's post. I don't like this part - On May 10 2015 15:24 TalkingDead wrote: Yamato looks really towny though; he can do this as mafia but I'd peg him as town. Aside from the list post, what are you differentiating as a townlean? Especially when you just indicated something contradictory, it could be buddying on your end, it could be you saying something noncomittal and just fabricating a committal read, either of which look scumlike. | ||
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On May 10 2015 15:24 TalkingDead wrote: [...] Damdred despite apparently being a strong player uses pretty weak arguments against him. It just feels like both want to throw shit at each other and neither are interested in actually starting a train on them. [...] Also another point against TD. Damdred is using the double standard argument against GlowingBear. On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Theres also an unevenness to how GB is reading if I pull your attention to Yamatos post and HTS post that GB is referring to, both of them cover the same topics and both have this sense of excitement about specific roles. Others have already commented on the tone of it, however GB is reading both of them differently by the same amount of content and for the same crime. I dislike this and give GB a scum point [...](8) There are a few reasons why this puts TD as scummy. 1 He's in the same thread as Damdred. Why didn't he just ask him or interact or call him out directly? 2 His phrasing indicates he didn't flesh out WHY Damdred's arguments were weak on GB. Or at the very least he's not reading. 3 The "train" argument was already touched on, but I think he's blowing it out of proportion. Which further substantiates a scumread on TD, and does the same for the townlean on Damdred. | ||
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One thing I don't like about GlowingBear is his post on Yamato's list post. 1 He's getting scumread by Yamato - I would have expected some sort of reaction there. When I scumread GB before (Hammertime) I remember him having some sort of strong reaction. 2 If GB felt I was scum I'm not sure why he didn't comment on Yamato having me as null. He had him as scum early from the initial post then he nulls him upon re-reading and then he sees that post and then doesn't bother to try and determine his alignment? Or at least press the scumreads. I think GB's reaction to Yamato's post reflects scum mentality. If GB reappears in thread, I want to see if he still null reads Yamato. Or if he can clarify his stance on Yamato, and if so, why. | ||
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Catching up a little bit before I go to bed since it's late here. On May 11 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: JAT and Marv are underwhelming. Mafia please shoot one of them if they're town so I don't have to think about them. On May 11 2015 08:12 GlowingBear wrote: It's a shame veterans are too afraid to be the n0 kill and not contributing at all Anyway I've already out of posts so I'll be waiting for dawn I want to draw attention to some of GB's comments. He's advocating to shoot either of JAT or Marv, and then he thinks veterans are afraid to be the n0 kill. GB, where exactly do you stand on JAT/Marv (or any of the veterans not posting)? And why? Also I was scumreading you not for your list post but your reaction to Yamato's post. You commented "awesome" post - when there were a few red flags, and the fact that he coloured you red. Do you have any thoughts on Yamato? | ||
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On May 11 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: BlazingVivax I am assuming this is a scumread on BH (and Vivax) by Marv, if it's not, correct me. As town in Titantic 7, Blazinghand did a load of trolling. He sort of did the same in pre-game (or N0 I guess) so I want to know why you appear so sure that BH is scum. Or what it is about him. He was null for me through pre-game and such for a few others. I'm pretty sure I know why marv is scumreading Vivax, but I don't understand his reasoning for BH. | ||
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On May 11 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote: hts, talk to me about who you want to lynch right now, mamacita <3 If I had to make a decision right now, just based on what I have looked at, I'd say GB and LS second. (Particularly with GB's latest post.) I am querying a few others based on things I find don't add up (e.g. Marv) and still getting through Sandro's/Rayn's posts atm. | ||
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Ras, I was "so sure" based on the way you phrased the question "...lynch right now". I would have to agree on Sandro so far with a townlean on him. I'm not sure how Oats comes to the conclusion that he's asking questions for the sake of asking questions - he's challenging scumreads (Damdred/BH from what I can tell) with his questions, which looks pretty town. I know Oats tends to make terse statements, yet I can't tell by what he's saying if he's just not reading the thread or not thinking through why he's asking them before asserting that Sandro is fake. Either of which reflect a scum behaviour on him. After 2am here so I'm off for the night. | ||
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Catching up. GG work. General thoughts (pages 19-21) I don't see a problem with TD's list post - especially if TD is Rayn, and Rayn always makes his list posts as town, that's just how he works. The quantity of his reads is also not a problem (this is directed at VE)- even the people that some don't consider notable, he's clearly stated it's a tone read and tone reads are something that are re-checked later in the day when these people produce more content. I still don't agree with TD's read of Yamato (it appears to be based on meta, though being a tone read granted it's weak) because Yamato has a scum meta where he doesn't play, and I've yet to see him quantify his reads. I'm not sure if this is his normal town play, or a cover for trying to do as little as possible. The JAT read early on seemed too easy as others called that out too. Also didn't like how Yamato called Trfel inactive in response to the nuke action (will discuss that in the next post) and in the same sentence where he says "it's too early to make those kinds of reads", it's contradictory in the sense that he can scumread someone (JAT) for being inactive but then see (what appears to be the equivalent of a vig shot/DT check) to not care that someone inactive is getting shot without checking his filter first, esp against JATs. If Yamato is town, maybe it's lazy town play. Those who know Trfel know he afks a lot and he's a wall-of-text low postcount player. Especially when comparing that with JAT (who he had a red) who was hardly posting anything. | ||
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The Nuke - I agree with a number of people here - the nuke is definitely a scumlike behaviour, or rather the way in which it was used. Never mind whom BM used it on, the fact he listed three people without checking how we were discussing BM (I had him as null pre-game for not posting anything or achieving anything with his first few posts) shows he's clearly not reading the thread at best. Nuking Trfel for comparative inactivity versus justifying why he wasn't doing the same to others that could potentially fall into the same category is also problematic. The nuke is likely not town oriented. BM is a good lynch, I'd say. BM if town, also should have challenged those who were scumreading him, and TD's put out more than enough to be debated on. The counter-nuke (BH) could be town or mafia motivated. He could defend Trfel knowing he's town (if he's scum) for credit. Or he could be town sensing that BM made a bad/mafia play. The tone read on Trfel is weak (quoted) and considering I didn't see a previous read on Trfel it's hard to say where the motivation came from. I feel I'd need more/different criteria to evaluate BH's play. (Null on this one). On May 11 2015 16:35 Blazinghand wrote: ##anti-nuke (the way that makes it so the nuke doesn't hit trfel, not the way that makes it stop trfels' nuke plx) On May 11 2015 16:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah you seemed pretty mad at getting nuked so i stopped it. i figure that anger was real. welcome back to life trfel now I sleep | ||
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On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote: Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around ##vote: marv honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him. Can you explain why you picked Trfel (aside from him scumming you) to nuke when what you have said could have applied to JAT/Marv/others who are normally active and semi-lurking? Trfel posted he was busy, it's final exam period in the US, who knows why he's semi-lurky. My argument is that it's premature to call for his lynch or take that action. I can at least contest you weren't reading the thread. Now I'm not saying JAT or Marv should be nuked at all. But by the standards you have set what you have applied could apply to other players in this game. Your nukes (even the one on Marv) are coming off as pretty OMGUS at best. | ||
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On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy. In conclusion we lynch BH. How are you eliminating the possibility that BH anti-nuked BM based on his tone read of Trfel or a possible scumread (though unstated) on BM because of his action? | ||
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JAT, where do you stand with reads? From reading your filter, you are scumreading ROL. Who else? (Also can those familiar with ROL fill me in on what to look for if he's scum? He is the only person I've never played with or hosted on the playerlist. Cheers.) | ||
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Looking at Onegu's post, it seems to come from a town Onegu, particularly with the criticism on Rasputin. Although there is one contradictory sentence I don't like, but I think this could be Onegu missing something by accident. Rasputin had a good start to be quite fair. Although after being tricked by her in two games, I think I have a better sense of what to look for now if she did RNG scum. Going to see if those red flags pop up again. Regarding Marv's read on Onegu, it's bold, it might be inaccurate but it doesn't make him mafia. If marv IS scum, it's not for this. On May 12 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote: Ok so here is why Trfel is town. The way he tried to nuke back immediatly looks townie. Like I have a feeling that scum would already know there are nukes in the game, and the way he did it makes him really townie to me. Lol @ Marv. Such a shit read on me, I want to roll scum and the fact that I used 3 !, just confirms the fact that I wanted to be scum or able to be scum. People saying BH should be lynched for TMI is also terrible, If I had a anti nuke I would have stopped it also. Also marv saying it is bad to stop it right away is odd. Like what info are you expecting to get? I feel like this is more blue hunting, maybe finding out who has more anti nukes. <3 GB for the defense but it was such a shit read you get no points from me for now. Why is Rsoul getting town read so hard so fast. I know she can look really townie but Im not seeing it. She seems almost lazy to me. Her reads arent that intense either. I know she never has confidence in her reads but still they are normally stronger. Seems soft to me. If she rolled scum and I didnt Im going to be upset. Since this isnt a PM game here is my mandatory non town read on her <3. I really want to see if BM's second nuke goes off. I think I would find it weird if he can fire 2 nukes in one day. LS seems less active than I am used to also. Maybe its just a post restriction game. Yamato could be mafia, see what he does today since he doesnt work. Would be funny if hapa troll rolled him scum. Could totally sheep Palmar, He is playing and he catches dem scum. Still have a few filters to read but these are my thoughts off the top of my head. I agree on LS, but I don't like how he keeps bringing up this game is a post-restricted game. If he's that conscious, do as Damdred and I are doing and count your own damned posts. Although his good-morning post appears towny in of itself, so I think for a better read on LS, maybe see where he's going with his reads. Activity is the most obvious scumtell for LS in most games, but the downside is that he can try and mask that in a post-restricted game. My only issue is your point on Palmar. You want to sheep Palmar but you have criticism of BH being lynched for TMI. If you missed that on Palmar On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy. In conclusion we lynch BH. Would you still sheep him? | ||
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On May 12 2015 01:10 Damdred wrote: Good morning people, damdred is back on the case. Many things have happened and yet not a ton at the same time, I feel a lot better about Marv and somewhat better about palmar. Sand in not sure exactly why you say that about my game and the desparity between this game and others I really don't believe it lol. I think id rather not lynch bm today, a nuke this early by scum doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I think we should lynch xatalos! (9) Regarding BM, the main problem I'm having is why he picked Trfel over some of the other potential lurkers or even Palmar by his own standards. To be that sure on one person without asking questions... He also said he was working on a big post during pre-game....looked at his filter and he's provided some reads but I presumed that "big post" was on what he had thought on pre-game and his refusal to post could have just been a way of trying to skate by pre-game by not doing anything. I don't know his town meta so I'm disregarding it. Xatalos is in the same boat as Rasputin - decent start but not posted in some hours. I know from Carol (which was his last game anyways) a scumtell for him is loose read, but activity seemed alright and on par in Carol - but does he just go straight up inactive as scum? Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him? | ||
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EBWOP - At Damdred - BM's pre-game play would be another reason IMO to scumread him. | ||
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On May 12 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: Vivax really is an excellent lynch. Xata pretty ok lynch too though. I'm putting my vote on Vivax. (It's not policy folks, since his scum meta is known as doing jack all.) Pressuring Xatalos (again fill me in if he has a history of AFKing as scum) or even Rasputin in due time is not out of the question. BM I'd prefer he answer the last question on differentiating between the other inactives, even Palmar whom he almost nuked (apparently). Off for some dinner. I'll be back. ##vote Vivax | ||
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On May 12 2015 01:50 Bill Murray wrote: Half the Sky you say I listed you at random when you clearly posted this earlier: So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy. I know I had you at null BM. In reference to the quote you posted, I wasn't scumreading you for that. I was scumreading Yamato for that. On May 11 2015 02:38 Half the Sky wrote: 4/10 [...] Things that jumped out at me: Yamato's list post - Bats/BH/Bill Murray all fall into the category (null so far) of having posted much about nothing, nothing in terms of figuring out people's alignment. So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy. At no point did I scumread you pre-game. Clearly you need to read more carefully or read to begin with :/ | ||
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Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote: I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol. I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? | ||
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I'm back. Closing in on the first half of D1 we're at a point where Trfel (normally the town leader) should be providing some thing in the ways of his analysis, at least for what I'm familiar with. He's been active with advocating BM's lynch so you'd think... Trfel, if BM were removed from the game, whom would you lynch today? The same thing I'd say applies to JAT. Your last response to me was tentative, and I know you (and many others) want to policy BM, and want Vivax gone, but even with this amount of content surely you can name at least one additional scumread by now. My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076 It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment. Looking at TD's subsequent posts, I'm pretty sure he's town, but I'll look into his filter to make sure I'm not missing anything. | ||
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Rasputin, since you asked me on Onegu: On May 12 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote: Why is Rsoul getting town read so hard so fast. I know she can look really townie but Im not seeing it. She seems almost lazy to me. Her reads arent that intense either. I know she never has confidence in her reads but still they are normally stronger. Seems soft to me. If she rolled scum and I didnt Im going to be upset. Since this isnt a PM game here is my mandatory non town read on her <3. If I had to look at his read on you alone...overexplained.....I don't know if I could consider it "overexplained" tbh. If Onegu is scum, I don't think this read makes him scum. Part of this is a fear read on you (Student 7, where he replaced out) where he nailed you on your hesistancy when someone scumreads you, so when I read this again, my impression is that he tried to connect that with how he interpreted your reads (not so intense). I think this is earnest town Onegu here. It doesn't sound like he's taking your play out of context but I can see where he's getting the connection. I don't agree with the read given your subsequent posts though I am curious to see if he changes his stance on you. I might have a problem if he still says you're too soft. | ||
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On May 12 2015 05:28 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote: 16/60 I'm back. Closing in on the first half of D1 we're at a point where Trfel (normally the town leader) should be providing some thing in the ways of his analysis, at least for what I'm familiar with. He's been active with advocating BM's lynch so you'd think... Trfel, if BM were removed from the game, whom would you lynch today? The same thing I'd say applies to JAT. Your last response to me was tentative, and I know you (and many others) want to policy BM, and want Vivax gone, but even with this amount of content surely you can name at least one additional scumread by now. My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076 It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment. Looking at TD's subsequent posts, I'm pretty sure he's town, but I'll look into his filter to make sure I'm not missing anything. I dont even know why it's obvious she would be doing this, and even then your argument is that I'm scum cause you disagree and cause you don't consider my points to be a way of determining her alignment, so you should expand on this more. Operative words are in bold - you aren't reading the thread. And if you aren't reading the thread, especially given the quality of your posts as of late, you certainly aren't trying to solve the game. Both Kelsier and Onegu (and I think one more? but at least those two) pushed her on that issue, Oatsmaster commented on her posts being difficult to read (I have no idea why, but I digress). It was an issue ~20h ago, it's a bit shocking you've missed that. You're focusing on her in your post and even worse if she was in the thread at the same time you were, you're not even interacting with her. All scumlike behaviour. I really do feel you are trying to compensate for being called on your scum meta and admitting you are playing suboptimally as town to help your own scum meta? I don't buy that. | ||
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EBWOP - at Vivax, also saying "fuck you bh" after he anti-nuked BM isn't helping your credibility atm. JAT - what is your current DNL list? Vivax - If you're not scum, then tell me who is. Also regarding the recent BH nuke, I think it's a towny action, though I'm with Rasputin - explain what you thought of Trfel as you were saving him, or if you really saved him off a tone read? Or even better, looking at him now, do you regret saving him? | ||
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Have just read Student 7 again....I assume this is what you refer to. On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote: Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also. On April 12 2015 06:01 Onegu wrote: Also rsoultin scum will tell you why in a case later, but basicly it has to do with her just looking like a busy body with 4/5 of her posts being questions. And a lot of her reads are based off of meta as the main part when she knows it's a terrible way to play. I know in Hammertime (he was mafia vanilla) he was all over the place but launched a hard defence of GB when I was tunnelling on him, only suspected him when VE was killed in lylo (and VE sucessfully scumread him that game). Glanced at Hammer again. He also had the "don't give a fuck' attitude and one liners that I see in his town games but if he was pushing an ML on someone in that game he posted walls of text and I was getting that super serious tone. But in Student 7 as town...I see more of the don't give a fuck attitude, but I'm also seeing it in his scum game (Hammertime). On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote: 15/60 okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_- - the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol) - secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP - third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum Point 1 - the one liners I could go either way based on Hammertime. I've seen it in one of his town and his scum games. The walls of text are a point against Onegu based on Hammertime. Point 2 - You're contesting the word "obligatory" is probably forced. I don't like the use of the word but I'm not sure the use of obligatory makes him scum. Point 3 - Your knowledge of him was a point against you, and although he's not making that a central part of his read on you now, he has listed a few others in the quotes - the non alignment indicative (which he's probably taking as a soft push I don't know) and his mentioning of your hesitancy (like the lol phrases, he mentioned this in the obs qt) when you are scumread as scum. There is some parallel he's trying to make there but I don't think it's enough for a hard push. TBF, Onegu does look worse when I meta him...but since you reappeared, I am interested in his thoughts based on what criteria he HAS used as town, take the parallels to this game, and I think that might clear things up a bit. | ||
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At Rasputin - usage of emoticons on his end is probably not the best way to go about it either, he didn't use them either in Hammertime. | ||
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Xatalos is looking like playing to his scum meta. In Carol both (town) GB and Vivax cased him and a central point they had on a scum Xatalos was how murky his reads were in justifying his switches. GlowingBear in particular stated that Xatalos didn't have deep reads on people. I get the same impression here from the reads he's made so far. On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote: On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote: 15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote: I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol. I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean? I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see. I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out. Also whilst LS didn't really impress me early on, I also don't think Xatalos had an original stance on LS and the quote he uses to substantiate his read on LS is also pretty shaky. At least a few people mentioned the conditional wording that LS had in his opening posts. On May 12 2015 02:46 Xatalos wrote: Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away. What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these: Show nested quote + On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote: Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads? @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game. LS generally isn't one to be articulate but at least in this particular paragraph he does reach some conclusions on two people from knowing "LS speak" for lack of better words. But he's also made conclusions on people in other posts. So at least looking through Xata's filter, I've got a decent scumlean on him. Need to AFK atm. | ||
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May 12 2015 11:57 GMT
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Here's where I stand for D1 - need to catch up on the last 5-7 pages, but my top lynches right now: Vivax, Xatalos and from what I've read of Oats I didn't like him either, but I feel less strongly on him than I do the first two. Onegu I'm pretty torn on based on what I know from his gameplay (though if he's done anything substantial in the last 5-7 pages, surely I've missed it). I was splitting hairs on him as both alignments; I am pretty confident at this stage Ras is town. I saw the post where I may have misinterpreted Rasputin and unless I'm misunderstanding again - whilst he's not using all the points to meta read Ras as scum (particularly her read on him), he's using a few...I'm not sure that makes him mafia. I don't like BH either, not so much for the anti-nukes or how he used them but for the fact he's doing jack all in respect to scumhunting. Bats and Stutters are what I would consider (pure) policy lynches. OWS' filter is sparse but the one thing that jumped out at me (and not in a good way) was his response to Vivax - On May 12 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote: On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own. The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not. Beautiful. Back to townpile with you. Then he posts he'd move him back to the lynch pile if he didn't do more. Can't tell if that's an attempt at blending in, but he didn't seem to look at Vivax as criticially as he should. | ||
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May 12 2015 12:00 GMT
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On May 12 2015 20:52 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote: On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him. Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer? dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason. Ok lets lynch Xata then. 100% scum. Im not even kidding I'm not lynching Xata. Let's lynch BH? I don't remember lynching you on day one ever. Also, care to answer my questions? Filter dive me, there is an ordered list of 4 directed to you Also, why am I town for you? How is Xatalos' play any different from the way he played in Carol? You cased him for murky reads amongst other things. He's doing the same thing here. I think I drew a few parallels, Damdred I think did the same somewhere in this thread. | ||
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May 12 2015 12:18 GMT
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Yamato and GB are more likely town, especially since the former activity's picked up. Regarding Bill Murray, I'm not sure I buy the explanations he's had after the fact. There are a few things that I must point out: On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: The only defense I need is the timing of when I shot my nukes. I wanted to either fire my nukes during the early or late portions of the cycle. If you look at the cycle as the twin turbine engines of a Boeing 747, it's the risky portions! Takeoff and Landing... That's a bad example. If you look at my nukes as a woman, I wanted it to be her eyes. You see, I didn't expect to make it out of the night. Why would I? I always get killed Night 1. The last 3 games I've played I've gotten N1, and now I'm get to get D1ed when I was to be getting to flip someone I thought was scum. I have meta on Trfel and his play is different this game than last. If he active lurks as mafia like he does as town (most mafia do) then he's fucking mafia. Am I misreading the bolded? So you're acknowledging that he does active lurk as town but somehow you made another differentiator that early in the game to determine he's mafia? It doesn't add up how you made that judgement so early in the game where a number of people were lurking. On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:My first nuke was fired in my first post of the cycle. I wanted to create discussion, and I was firing based upon (at the time) my strongest scumread. I had been reading filters, and the moment I saw Trfel's meager 1 post, I didn't even have to read it to think he was scum. It was just completely a content difference from the last game I played in when we both got killed Night 1 as town together. I thought he was scum that game, too... Bad of me, but everyone makes mistakes, just like I did here. My Nuke was fired during takeoff! My real rocket, at Trufel, I posted it in my first post! I wanted to go ahead and get shit out in the open. If you have a hindrance you claim it, you let people know. I guess I should have told everyone that I had nukes... but what if people didn't want me to fire it? what if you guys just started to vote me and i didnt get to fire it at all? that wasnt going to fly. What if I had explained to the people that didn't know me that I am really bad at town and used to be policy lynched for my play which is much like this that is happening to me right now. I am having memories of 5 years ago when RebirthofLegend, LSB, and Jackal58 would spam "Policy lynch BM" just to be utter dickheads to me which wasn't fucking cool at all. Two questions/issues arise from this: 1 No one was scumreading Trfel at the time you launched a nuke (not that I remember) - 1-2 were cautious maybe?, Rasputin I think was calling him lazy. But you pushing Trfel hard would have gotten the attention needed without the use of a nuke. 2 The second bolded statement - if you're realising these mistakes now, why is history repeating itself? Did you really think with the current reads in the thead - and the way you listed me, Trfel and TD's names (though you acknowledged you misread me) - people were going to be thrilled with you nuking someone? You didn't see the suboptimal play happening when you know you've been policied for it before? It doesn't make sense to explain all this after the fact. Or rather I'm not finding it credible. That all said, I'm disappointed in Trfel not coming forth with his suspicions of other people, but I've seen him do similar things as town (example - Newbie LX) refusing to give reads the entire cycle or something like that. On meta, it doesn't make him mafia. On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: I just don't want to get killed in the first damn cycle again. Come on, guys. I want to help lynch people and make good cases on people. please BM, if you're here, I'm not sure either of Onegu or Trfel are getting lynched. Do you have any other scumreads? Also general question - I've not played ever with a pardoner, how does that work? If GB pardons BM, everyone on his wagon has to vote someone else? | ||
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May 12 2015 12:23 GMT
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On May 12 2015 19:36 sandroba wrote: @marv I noticed a certain absence of stutters in your proposed lynches and would like to know why that is. Stutters is an anti-D1 player, pretty much the same category as players like VA, kushm4sta, etc he will not contribute much of anything D1 as either alignment. D2, he picks it up as both alignments, and it's much easier to evaluate him starting post-lynch. NSM9 just ended and he explained in that game RL was keeping him busy. In any case, he's a policy lynch to me. | ||
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May 12 2015 12:26 GMT
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On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote: Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago). Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him. I forgot ROL even existed. He's also policy for me at this point. That all said Trfel, do you have any additional scumreads? Not looking like it from your filter. I know even LS called you on it too, now that BM's been pardoned, who are you going to vote for now? | ||
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May 12 2015 12:52 GMT
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On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote: I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them. Three of those four are policy. ROL/Stutters lurk as either alignment. Bats tends to lurk more as mafia than town, but he lurked hard in Aperture 4 as town. You could (statistically) argue that Bats is a scummy lurker, but there are better lynches IMO. VE to me has been forgettable but nothing jumped out to me as scumlike for him. How are you not lynching Vivax or Xatalos? | ||
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May 12 2015 12:56 GMT
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On May 12 2015 21:35 sandroba wrote: Actually taking meta into account VE might be the best lynch for today. I played one game with him - Hammertime, a 9-player game. He was town. Didn't spam a whole lot, but wasn't particularly remarkable that game. He made some decent reads though by mid-game and he did figure out one of the scummers. How is he jumping out as scummy to you? He doesn't/didn't strike me as a town leader. (Anyone else who knows VE well can also comment.) | ||
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May 12 2015 12:59 GMT
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I know Kelsier brought it up in his latest list of reads but for emphasis, if JAT could grace us yet again with his wisdom, that would be quite grand. We miss his insights (Seriously, wish he'd be contributing more. Yamato is probably on to something.) | ||
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May 12 2015 13:10 GMT
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Marv - My guess is probably. Whenever either of the mods get to it, they are both Stateside it appears so it could be awhile. On May 12 2015 22:06 batsnacks wrote: HTS did you read my filter y/n? Bats - I read it yesterday, but not this morning, all I remember (prior to reading now) is you having three town reads. My last statement on you was talking about your activity across all games. That all said, you wouldn't be a D1 lynch for me. Not compared to who I am scumreading. | ||
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May 12 2015 13:14 GMT
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On May 12 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote: Trfel, bm and BH are probably all town because why would mafia do any of that? amirite? Although at this stage of the game, if you're town, you probably should have some scumreads. There are some issues I have cited with all three you've listed, have your thoughts changed on the above three since you last posted? I don't like BM's post-explanation (my explanation on previous page) for one. If nothing else you should lynch Xata or Vivax. Have to AFK but will be back. | ||
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May 12 2015 13:16 GMT
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On May 12 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote: I'm not worried about being the lynch. I'm worried about you having read my filter and still wanting to lynch me. You read my filter and still want to lynch me right? You're not reading the thread. No I don't want to lynch you, but Sandroba does (see previous page). You should ask why he wants to lynch you. | ||
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May 12 2015 13:22 GMT
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On May 12 2015 22:16 TalkingDead wrote: He's fluctuated in usefullness last I knew although I think tending to hit a bit more useful as town in general. It's not just the VE read. You're preferred lynches are three policy lurker lynches and VE. Not Xatalos who Damdred made a good post on late in his filter. Not Vivax who has been rather uninteresting at best and, if I recall, openly "tanking" his game; something he'd be more than willing to claim as mafia. Not Oats who, if I recall, you agreed pretty heavily with my earlier points on. Not Onegu who is BOTH a lurker AND playing a game which is reasonably different from his normal town game. Not LIghtningStrike who is both less active, less excited to play AND less filter/meta-divey than he usually is as town on top of his odd opening. You don't include someone like ObiWanShinobi who is a decent shot for blendy scum. Like your reads are drastically different from mine and from most other veterans. On top of that you're going after lurkers which I don't think I've ever seen you do before as town. This so much. I'm torn on Onegu (he lurks as both alignments), but didn't like OWS' reasoning for towning Vivax at all. Really hated Vivax's excuse for tanking his town game. Though if you read Sandroba's response to me, he thinks Vivax's posts are town. (He did say he could get on a Xatalos lynch.) How do you come to that conclusion Sandroba? What posts jumped out as town? | ||
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May 12 2015 13:44 GMT
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On May 12 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote: Palmar I think Sandroba is town since he did nothing at all the last time he was scum with me in JOAT except for a shitty cop check shannie trying go for a double bus on me and Sandroba and this game he been doing lots of analyses so I believe quite frankly he's town. BTW I will take a look at RebirthofLegend's meta and see if it matches what people said of him being lazy as town. Read pages 51-53 of the thread, and specifically sandroba's responses to TD, myself, JAT, etc. We're not having a problem with his activity this game. It's his read progression. | ||
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May 12 2015 13:58 GMT
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On May 12 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 22:44 Half the Sky wrote: 35/60 On May 12 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote: Palmar I think Sandroba is town since he did nothing at all the last time he was scum with me in JOAT except for a shitty cop check shannie trying go for a double bus on me and Sandroba and this game he been doing lots of analyses so I believe quite frankly he's town. BTW I will take a look at RebirthofLegend's meta and see if it matches what people said of him being lazy as town. Read pages 51-53 of the thread, and specifically sandroba's responses to TD, myself, JAT, etc. We're not having a problem with his activity this game. It's his read progression. I sometimes have weird read progression myself so sometimes townies have that issue. Although I do agree about something about bats when he's scum: He's a lurker based on Aperture when he was scum. Bah, I stand corrected on my previous statement - re: Bats, he lurked hard in JOAT as town, not in Aperture 4. Point is I've seen him lurk as both alignments, though I've heard from others he does it more as scum. And LS, when you're town, we can follow you once we flesh it out. We're not able to do the same for sandroba. Nonetheless you should be voting Vivax or Xatalos today. Bill Murray has been pardoned. On May 12 2015 22:19 justanothertownie wrote: Sandro are you familiar with the way Vivax plays town recently? His towngame looks NOTHING like this. If you want examples look at imperial mafia or void mafia. I am sure there are other examples I forgot. ....or Guardians for that matter. He was one of the craziest spammers in that game. | ||
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May 12 2015 14:06 GMT
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On May 12 2015 23:03 TalkingDead wrote: Also. People need to keep their votes on BillMurray for a while. We need to make sure he can't launch any more nukes until a vigilante deals with him. Muy importante!!!!!! He's been pardoned, and it's still early in the US, so assuming he's pardoned, he might be able to? Can someone explain how the pardon works? It is my first game with this mechanic. Does the pardon force people on his wagon to move to another wagon or does automatically it negate those votes? Because if it does then GB (who did the pardoning) will have just allowed that. | ||
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May 12 2015 14:10 GMT
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EBWOP On May 12 2015 23:06 Half the Sky wrote: Does the pardon force people on his wagon to move to another wagon or does automatically it negate those votes? Because if it does then GB (who did the pardoning) will have just allowed that. In addition to the above question: Or can people keep their votes on Bill Murray to prevent the nukes and the person with the second highest nr of votes gets lynched? | ||
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May 12 2015 14:18 GMT
#1082
On May 12 2015 21:58 sandroba wrote: I'm not seeing the vivax scum thing besides the meta argument. His posting so far points to town to me. Xatalos I think I could get behind, I didn't like his post regarding BM. The only thing he has going for him is that he called me town at some point. Regarding sandroba, this is probably the quote I dislike the most so far. Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit. On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote: Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's. Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that. Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual. Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote: LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia? ...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her. When pressured on other people that looked bad he just gave the vague answer of "they all look towny in some way" (paraphrasing) and he's going for pure policy folks, which is generally scum play (going solely after lurkers). I don't know why it took Rayn/TD to spell all the possible scum players for him just now and even after that, I don't think he's checked on it let alone budging....save for Xatalos. Which could be trying to blend in at this point. *shrug* | ||
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May 12 2015 14:22 GMT
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On May 12 2015 22:34 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote: There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now? There is no point. It was idiotic but it's not like it makes GB mafia. If this gets confirmed we just have to save everything BM related for tomorrow or shoot him. This is how I feel. Based on his prior gameplay, I think GB is town, and I'm separating this from what I feel is suboptimal play (the pardon). A true vote on BM would have gotten a lot of information and him pardoning BM prevents that. I also still don't know whether the pardon keeps the votes on BM (and the lynch defaults to the second highest with the possibility of Trfel getting nuked) or whether the people currently on his wagon have to revote. Because knowing that would help in terms of where people stood if they didn't have to revote. | ||
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May 12 2015 15:13 GMT
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Damdred - really? You just shot BM? On May 12 2015 01:10 Damdred wrote: [...] I think we should lynch xatalos! (9) On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol. I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) On May 12 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote: Xata is a good chance at Scum I still think. However I have a plan, a great plan. We stop voting for bm. We let bm fire his nuke at oneg or oats any other bh blows it up. The day vig can then decide to shoot bm or not. We then let thread decide the lynch outside policy. This would get the most information out. What you did was incomprensible with your previous line of thinking. The pardon (US hosts aren't around yet) would have accomplished that if I'm not mistaken. Why did you use your day vig shot against BM when you could have used it against Xatalos or Vivax? | ||
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May 12 2015 15:16 GMT
#1127
Never mind you ninjaed me Damdred. On May 13 2015 00:05 Damdred wrote: Xata should be the lynch yes, he's my top suspect and I was pretty sure that I could push the thread that way in an ordinary fashion with how many posts I have etc., It does suck that no alignment will flip, that's why I didn't shoot one of mu scum reads early and used it on a policy. If we catch a couple of mafia I believe that we will be able to determine if bm was mafia or not. It sucks but tommorow would of been dominated by bm talk again. And you can pretend to not understand why I did it but it makes sense The problem here is - whilst I am also convinced Xatalos is mafia - there are a load more people willing to vote Xatalos/Vivax. You'd have gotten a scum down for sure with Xatalos/Vivax and gotten more information about the subsequent vote. | ||
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May 12 2015 15:21 GMT
#1130
On May 13 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: I want people to tell me why oats does not deserve to be lynched today I'm scumreading him atm, could compromise by voting him if there is a train, but I am honestly more confident in Vivax/Xatalos. | ||
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May 12 2015 15:30 GMT
#1135
On May 13 2015 00:25 rsoultin wrote: i still don't agree with it, and it makes even less sense given damdred's push, which is why i've unvoted cause fuck damdy right now i'm not sheeping his reads -_- I don't think it makes him scum. I disagree with him, but I see where he's coming from. You have the camp that argues more information is gathered keeping BM around, you have those that argue that keeping BM around will just impede progress and keep people distracted from finding other scum. It's a catch-22. | ||
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May 12 2015 15:47 GMT
#1143
Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??). But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine. On May 13 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: [...] also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax. In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey. GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him. Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either. (Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.) | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 16:09 GMT
#1154
GlowingBear - 1 Xatalos On May 12 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote: 22/60 Xatalos is looking like playing to his scum meta. In Carol both (town) GB and Vivax cased him and a central point they had on a scum Xatalos was how murky his reads were in justifying his switches. GlowingBear in particular stated that Xatalos didn't have deep reads on people. I get the same impression here from the reads he's made so far. Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote: On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote: On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote: 15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote: I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol. I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean? I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see. I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out. Also whilst LS didn't really impress me early on, I also don't think Xatalos had an original stance on LS and the quote he uses to substantiate his read on LS is also pretty shaky. At least a few people mentioned the conditional wording that LS had in his opening posts. Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 02:46 Xatalos wrote: Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away. What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote: Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads? @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game. LS generally isn't one to be articulate but at least in this particular paragraph he does reach some conclusions on two people from knowing "LS speak" for lack of better words. But he's also made conclusions on people in other posts. So at least looking through Xata's filter, I've got a decent scumlean on him. Need to AFK atm. 2 Vivax I call Vivax out for doing jack all about 20h or so into the day. On May 12 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote: 11/60 [...] Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him? When Vivax DOES appear in thread, his posts show a scumlike behaviour. On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote: 16/60 [...] My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076 It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment. Above quote on Rasputin gets nowhere, plus if you look at Vivax's filter there is zero followup. On May 12 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote: 40/60 [...] Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit. Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote: Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's. Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that. Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual. Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. Show nested quote + On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote: LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia? ...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her. [...] The above quote I tried to illustrate to sandroba what I found wrong with Vivax. But that should make it a bit more clear. 1 The quality of his posting doesn't reflect credible scumhunting in any manner. 2 Trashing his town meta (his excuse for his current play) isn't credible after the fact. And at LightningStrike: On May 13 2015 00:58 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred why you shoot BM when we just had him pardoned by GB and the fact we have multiple people that look worse than BM? FFS you aren't reading. RTFT please. Damdred answered this twice over in the last two pages. Now I'm out. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 20:28 GMT
#1237
Blazinghand: On May 13 2015 05:21 Blazinghand wrote: can someone link me to conslidated vivax case plx I have consolidated cases on Vivax/Xatalos here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=58#1154 Also GlowingBear has a case incoming on Oats. Trfel: On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote: He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum. It's just a policy lynch. Trfel, no, just no. Looking at your history, I think you've only had one game with Vivax (and he was town in Carol). You are unfamiliar with his scum meta. His scum meta is that he lurks and dies basically. Even on the content of his posting, there are major issues with what he HAS posted. A town Vivax would have pushed Rasputin when he first mentioned her. A town Vivax would be pushing Marv and myself. He listed us two this late in the game, he knows he doesn't have to do any work because neither of us are getting lynched today. VisceraEyes: On May 13 2015 02:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been considering a sandroba lynch, but I'm not about that life so much. I kinda agree with marv's post on the matter, plus I feel like as mafia he just sorta doesn't play. That leaves me with players like Stutters, Vivax, Xatalos for the lynch. I think of the three, I prefer Vivax or Stutters. Stutters does jack all D1 as either alignment, since he's returned recently. How are you sure he's scum this go this soon? The 2 games I've had with him, both alignments he's easier to read post lynch. So how are you fleshing him out now? Especially compared to the other lurkers? | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 20:33 GMT
#1244
Trfel On May 13 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Game of Thrones Mini Mafia. His play there is much better than his play here.On May 13 2015 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote: On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote: He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum.You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel? It's just a policy lynch. Show me one game where Vivax played well as scum recently. Only one. What makes Vivax mafia and not lazy, obnoxious town? I skimmed the Game of Thrones filter. There are two very distinct parallels between that filter and his current filter. 1 His method of questioning. He asked pointed questions but DOES NOTHING WITH THEM. It's the same thing here. 2 His reads are extremely disjointed. Yes, the quantity of posting is different, but it's not any better. Quality, it's pretty shit tier. You've actually just further proven why Vivax is scum. 200% | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 21:28 GMT
#1294
Palmar On May 13 2015 06:07 Palmar wrote: I don't know what Vivax is and I doubt I'll be able to read him before the lynch. I'm not gonna vote him but I won't defend him. I'm not even sure I want to demand you guys sheep me onto sandroba. Marv could actually be mafia btw. GlowingBear 1 Case on Oats (or link it?) 2 So far I'm confident on a circle of marv, you, Ras, Damdred, TD. Yamato, probably but not easy to follow his read progression. Palmar and sandroba are in my "under review category." | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 21:32 GMT
#1296
On May 13 2015 06:21 Vivax wrote: Hope at some point people will notice how HTS is just affirming things and pushing her "scumreads" but avoids interacting, in this case, with what I said. I pointed out earlier how she didn't try to engage me in a conversation and I don't see that answered. Overall the one thing I see myself doing as scum is pick lynches and push them, and try to get a stance on important stuff. What ends up lacking in that case is the part of trying to figure out things. The play is more deterministic so to say and that's about the feeling I get from HTS posts. You have eight votes on you. Why don't you comment about the rest of the people on your wagon? If you read my filter you'd actually see what discernments I made. How about the others? It's glaringly obvious you're not reading the thread based on the post on Rasputin, or myself, and it's glaringly obvious marv and I aren't the only ones scumreading you. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 21:44 GMT
#1303
I need to stop posting, really need to conserve for EoD/night. But this is where I stand. Where I stand on my null/scumreads: The policy vote category Batsnacks, Stutters, ROL (all lurk as either alignment) Null Trfel (town to null based on the fact he's been out of thread too long. Could use more insight on reads other than Vivax/Onegu.) Onegu (Very torn on this one. I'm seeing both scum and town tells in him with tone. I don't consider activity in of itself indicative.) VE (I honestly have no idea how to read him. Nothing is screaming scum to me but would like to see how he's so sure on Stutters.) Under review but never the lynch tonight Palmar (Nothing seemed off at first glance but he has tricked me as scum. Will need to re-read.) KelsierSC (Can't follow logic easily, but I know from Void and even Titanic, this is possible for his town play. Will need to re-read more closely) Sandroba (not sure I'm understanding his reads, probably doesn't make him scum, but need to review D2) Scum lean LS (Called out on not reading the thread twice, most of his last meta diving has been null reads) Probable Scum Blazinghand (I said before I don't like how his role actions to speak for him, not seeing anything in the line of scumhunting, even in Titanic 7 he did that eventually. Unlike Damdred or GB in this respect.) Oatsmaster (Dodging questions, the reads on Sandroba were horrible) OWS (Main issue is the read on Vivax. Townreads him for a pretty bad reason and then "prepares" to scumread him again to try and fit in. Eventually votes him. Others have mentioned this too.) Lynch it with fire Xatalos (Loose/murky reads, positions on Rasputin are contrived at best. Case on page 58.) Vivax (My case is on page 58. Inactivity first 20h of the game, excuse of trashing town meta is not credible, pointed questions with no info followup, the reads on marv and myself are contrived) Voting Xatalos now, pref him or Vivax lynched. Will compromise with the town circle/reads with a vote on Blazinghand, Oats or OWS if it spares any other reads. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 23:34 GMT
#1419
I will lynch Vivax or Xatalos over Blazinghand. JAT (or OWS), I know you made the point about him hiding behind his role as scum. He did it as town too. (Titantic 7, even after being modconfirmed) He was however given ample opportunity to get some reads. I've looked over both Vivax/Xata's filters and honestly they just somehow manage to keep looking worse. Vivax especially. I even paralleled Vivax' most recent game in GoT to this game and there are glaring tells (it's in my filter my response to Trfel). Xata, I'll be frank, I'm looking at your filter and I don't see an improvement in the reads. To be fair though EoD in another game I can't talk about may have compromised this just now. Those of you wanting to vote Vivax, I'd be happy to hammer Vivax. We need 2 more plus myself. I am still scumreading BH (reviewing Marv's case again) but I want Vivax or Xatalos lynched. 100%. With fire, end of. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 23:39 GMT
#1434
DAMDRED, GB, STUTTERS, WHOEVER ELSE Blazinghand, if you're somehow town, save yourself and vote Vivax please ##unvote ##vote Vivax | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 12 2015 23:47 GMT
#1462
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 13 2015 00:00 GMT
#1497
On May 13 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote: I changed my mind. Kill Blazinghand please. I'm sticking to Vivax. If Vivax is town, I will take responsibility for the mislynch. Trfel - Kelsier is under review for me. He has had really shaky reads in Titanic 7. Also think I can make it through the night with 5 posts left. But those of you who know you aren't doing jack all with extra posts, I'd appreciate an extra 1-3 posts. Cheers. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 13 2015 00:07 GMT
#1504
FML. I am so sorry Vivax. Looks like I need to focus on the people that jumped on the wagons for shaky reasoning. Going to look at the votes and digest. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 13 2015 16:56 GMT
#1595
Rolling some thoughts off without filter diving. Bats, 1-3 posts would be fine. <3 And Palmar, pardon me for being paranoid, but the way you phrased this sounds like a scumslip. On May 14 2015 01:18 Palmar wrote: I was gonna make a list post and half the way through it I realized that about half the town would've been in my "Literally not read a single post tier" At the very least, how can one conclude someone is town if you haven't read a single post of theirs? That logic surely doesn't follow. Anyways.... I agree with the comments on marvellosity looking poor for his switch to Vivax esp after prioritising a BH lynch. A red flag from my perspective (and as I learnt from Titanic with scum Palmar and Damdred sheeping me) is that I don't consider myself a good enough calibre of a town player (in terms of read quality/accuracy) to be sheeped the way that was happening. In Titanic, I case town Fecalfeast, push his lynch like crazy, and both Damd and Palmar simply said "good case" and regardless of their read on me, sheeped it. Same thing happened when I cased Rayn, who was eventually lynched that game. This game, besides the issue with marv as cited (if he wasn't sure on Vivax, and considering I'm not a top-tier town with reads, why didn't Marv show more skepticism towards the quality of my reads), offhand I know JAT replied "fine" when I yelled for the thread to get on Vivax but aside from Marv, I need to see who else looked bad. BH had to vote to save himself, that in of itself won't make him scum. Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just looking at the isolated wagons, Bats, Onegu, LS, ROL and Palmar look pretty bad. I know Onegu was scumreading LS and Ras, LS was looking bad to people, so the question remains for Onegu why he didn't push LS more. 24 players after the BM kill. 21 voters. Non-voters were VE and Stutters. VE I recalled coming in asking who was getting lynched and asks Yamato about 45 minutes prior to EoD whilst the fracas with the BH/Xata/Vivax was going about and AFKing until well after. It's almost like he didn't care as to whom was getting lynched. Why he AFKed especially without voting that close to EoD, I have no idea. It sounds like he's been around long enough he probably knows Hapa/Ver don't modkill for no-votes (I assume), if it were BH or another host that did modkill it might be easier to think the no-voters were likely town, so we can't conclude that. Though it doesn't make them mafia, AFKing the vote I think makes VE look poor. ............and after copying and pasting I see VE is here in thread. VE, you asked who was getting lynched one hour prior to EoD when everything was going down. Why'd you AFK after you asked Yamato a question about BH? Better yet, that close to EoD, why did you fail to vote? | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 13 2015 21:40 GMT
#1646
(Sidenote: Should be more than fine with the posts I've been given, cheers you two.) Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear No-votes (2) - VisceraEyes, Stutters695 So looking at the main wagons and trying to follow the read patterns: Vivax wagon - Part 1 (JAT/Oats progression in Part 2) BH - had to vote to save himself in all instances. Vote in of itself is NAI. Marv - really suspicious given the overall read progression on Vivax compared to BH as others have mentioned. TD - preferred the BH lynch, but wound up on Vivax. Unclear with his rationale so asking questions here: Started casing BH here = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=43#849 First mention of Vivax in filter, in passing to Sandroba about how poor his reads were = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=53#1047 Decides to sheep Palmar (more or less) on Vivax: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=62#1235 The case on BH makes sense with his latest casing of BH. Townread on Palmar also makes sense. Only thing was whether TD/Rayn used this (the transfer of votes off the Vivax wagon) On May 13 2015 08:26 TalkingDead wrote: There's not time for that and it doesn't matter this late in the day. It is in no way about trying to find "the scum that unvoted their partners." It doesn't make you scum and it doesn't make Xatalos town. It's the asymmetrical shift that's interesting, both in the sense that people are more willing to move off you and that people are less willing to move off of him. What is interesting about your response is that you've ignored my point about Imperial entirely to pick at the corners of the point I'm trying to make. ...to justify voting one wagon over another. I don't think he did but I would have expected him to wind up on BH, trusting his own read over Palmar's read on Vivax, since I know TD (I am assuming it's Rayn here) to be very confident, super confident in his reads. If he has any insight on any of the vote switchers (besides Marv/BH) that might be appreciated. Also TD, your comparison with Imperial....that game is murky - did the votes come off faster or slower and what does that tell about people compared to here? Not sure what you were trying to say there (I'm interested because I'm trying to look at the same thing). I don't think TD is suspicious entirely for this, but TD, I feel I need some clarification on why he went back to Vivax, when you appeared to be more sold on BH. Xatalos - Progression on BH goes on like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=35#694 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=33#649 Calls him out based on the use of the role. Per vote logs, started voting for LS/Onegu, then Vivax, then switched to BH, then back to Vivax. I traced his filter along with the timing of his votes. Though he switches to BH, he does this to presumably save himself when he was the other wagon. His switches first to and back to Vivax make sense with the reasoning he provides especially when BH picks up the posting. So Xatalos' switch to BH is NAI but his votes on Vivax are in line with his reasoning. Granted, Xatalos was parroting, and he could be mafia, but his voting in of itself doesn't scream mafia. Kelsier - Suspicious of TD and BM. Post BM kill, votes Xatalos and then Vivax. Pushes on TD are in line with his votes but can't get that wagon going. First reads are having Vivax and Xatalos on a would lynch list. There is no explanation here initially: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=26#502 Though he follows up with conclusions on Xatalos with this post - I agreed with Kels on Xatalos' very murky reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=34#672 His read on BH as town is in line with his townread on marv, it might be confirmation bias at that point but it doesn't make KSC mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=41#803 One possible red flag is where he says Vivax is town and wouldn't lynch him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=35#700 Final justification of switching to Vivax is here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=72#1439 KSC's point about not getting Xatalos lynched is very valid as I wanted more people on Xata (Xata lynch > BH lynch at that time) before I changed to Vivax myself. Sheeping not one, but three of his townreads makes sense although Trfel called KSC out for not focusing on the right things (Marv sheeping me over someone he was pushing doesn't make sense) I'd consider this suboptimal play as opposed to being mafia. I'll get to JAT/Oats in the next post, but I have some questions for Talking Dead in there I'm not clear on. So as far as I can see, the voting further implicates Marv. - BH and Xatalos both could be mafia but not for the voting. - Xatalos might actually be less likely to be mafia, but his D1 gameplay was mostly scummy, so it's really difficult to tell whether it was him trying to get the votes off himself. - KSC - probably town here at least from voting analysis. (Apologies for the wall of text folks.) | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 13 2015 22:01 GMT
#1650
(3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu) On May 14 2015 06:49 sandroba wrote: So HTS and LS, when is it ok to start considering lynching stutters? The way I look at Stutters from playing with him past game, is starting to look at him post-lynch (D1) and much more critically D2. N1 right now, he's not posting much of anything. Although I look at his filter now, and I realise the same problem with him and VE. At 25m prior to EoD, he's most strongly on Vivax, yet he didn't vote. So that is pretty weird. If I had to scum Stutters on D1: He flipped out about the GB pardon, but didn't do anything after that. Now his latest quote - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=83#1644 BH has posted a lot since the lynch. So Stutters, can you elaborate on why you think his posting has fallen short? BH trolls a lot and has done this as town. Are you actually getting a scum vibe? Also why didn't you vote Vivax? Sandroba, I played two games with Stutters recently - NSM7 and NSM9. 7 was vigishot as VT. 9 was mafia vanilla and was vigshot N2. In 7, his posting was more substantial and he pushed harder D2. In 9, he was scumread by the vig for lurking at EoD. His post quality D2 really tanked hard, but that could have been RL related. But normally where I'd have been alright with him EoD, the actual vig wasnt. Still I wasn't seeing the pickup D2 that I did from his town game. The other way he got picked off was his bussing prplhz for not playing way too early. I saw that as meta, but it was still early in the game for him to be doing that. Point is, there were much more discernible behaviours one way or another on him by D2. He's easier to sort out then. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 13 2015 23:41 GMT
#1673
3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu I'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here.... Bats On May 14 2015 02:16 batsnacks wrote: @HTS Are you scum reading me y/n? I wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point. I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch. This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before. Kelsier I had some questions to TD - what do you think of TD's answers? It's a few posts after my post on Stutters. As an aside, I'm getting more irritated with LS's posting. He's not coherent but that's not my problem with him. He's not particularly being helpful either even with the use of meta. I know he throws meta links and he's been criticised for that before as town, but the one distinct thing I'm noticing as this thread grows is that LS will post mainly after he's called out. I've noticed that 2-3 times. From what I'm reading, he's sheeping his town reads, but I am having difficulty discerning from a scum who is sheeping a wrong read. Tone wise, I townread him in his scumgames, so I am ignoring that. The main scum tell for him is not posting as much. LS, do you have any stances on anyone new besides those you have mentioned? | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 00:00 GMT
#1679
3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu Legacy list Town – confident (no particular order) - GB, Trfel, Rasputin, KelsierSC, sandroba (subsequent N1 posting) OWS is looking better post-lynch, VE a little as well (posting N1). Damdred has fallen off since lynch, but I know he’s catching up. ROL is in the why did you sign up for this game category. I can follow Yamato a lot less EoD1 and N1, the only thing he has going is we have the same reads. Scum leans: Xatalos, Stutters, LS, batsnacks Probable scum: Oatsmaster, BH, marvellosity | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 00:03 GMT
#1685
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 00:17 GMT
#1691
I knew that was a scumslip when I called it. It did not add up. Oats: Assuming we had a medic. Quick look at Palmar's filter: Soft pushes on marvellosity and JAT. Soft push on marv becomes a "100% read" Hard pushes on sandroba followed by some weird u-turn flip to confirmed town. And he still votes sandroba lol. The JAT read is a terrible read IMO. Palmar's reads are all over the place, much like Titanic. Made it really hard to piece anything together for the rest of his scumteam tbh. I learnt you can't really rely on that - he's good enough not to leave too many tracks like that. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 00:19 GMT
#1693
I agree with Trfel. GlowingBear, please shoot marvellosity. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 00:28 GMT
#1701
On May 14 2015 09:20 Stutters695 wrote: So in your last N1 post HtS, you had me as a scum lean despite commenting about how much easier I am to read d2. What changed? You also omitted Palmar from your list. 4/60 Was pretty sure I mentioned it when I repsonded to sandroba - If I had to scumread you for D1 it was your commenting on the pardon (saying it was shitty or whatever) and not doing anything about it and your N1 posting specially the one where you said "BH's posting was pretty disappointing", I omitted a lot of people in that legacy post as I was squeezing it in prior to EoN. Palmar I was holding off on and he was under review, unfortunately I had never gotten to him. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 00:41 GMT
#1704
On May 14 2015 09:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone calling marv mafia is wrong, just put it out of your minds. VE, this is the primary case for marv being mafia. On May 13 2015 23:38 rsoultin wrote: Now...because I need to finish my term papers and do not want to forget...I do have a crappy association element involved in my read on Blazinghand: Marvellosity did not react to being nuked. It took me awhile to really notice this, but Marvellosity, who flames people for scumreading him when he's town and loses his shit did not react to being nuked. That suggests to me that the nuke would not succeed. He also did not flame me for scumreading him early, but instead criticized (I believe) Oatsmaster (could be OWS if my memory is failing me) for defending him. This is a very rational response since he didn't look town at all early game however Marvellosity is typically not rational at all about being scumread. I've had a townread on Bill Murray for awhile. Some of it is tone. Some of it is I liked the thought process going into some of his reads (whether I agreed with it or not). That left Blazinghand. Why is Marvellosity not afraid of the nuke? Not angry about it? Blazinghand will anti-nuke it. And he did. Now, admittedly recently it occurred to me that Blazinghand possibly could be town (despite his complete lack of contributions to Day One while riding that towncred) and scum simply has an anti-nuke role, too. It is highly likely that scum could have such a role for obvious reasons. Add on to this that Marvellosity started a train on Blazinghand, then came back in and switched for very poor reasons back to Vivax, despite stating earlier that Vivax looked better than both Xatalos and Blazinghand. Even if we accept that a "baked" Marvellosity really thought that Blazinghand's posting looked so good at EoD, where did the Xatalos read go? Apparently it fell off the face of the earth. I still am highly suspicious of Marvellosity and Blazinghand for the above-stated reasons. I choose to post this now because I want to make sure this gets into the thread in case I don't have time for full reads, as I really need to get my schoolwork done. To round out my current scumreads, Xatalos looks terrible by association, and I think that Damdred's read on him is probably correct given past history (Carol). I also noticed how he seems to pluck up others' reads, not just thread sentiment. (KelsierSC's read on me is one example.) On May 13 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote: Quite simply, following a logical train of thought on the presumption that I am right on both you and Blazinghand, you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy to be able to say that you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy if he eventually flipped. You did not follow through. Now why could that be? Yes, that looks scummy. You usually do not do obviously scummy things as scum...you're usually aware of how you look. However, if Blazinghand flips scum you and Trfel will immediately come under suspicion. So yes, I think it's quite possible for you to both push him and then go out of your way to protect him, despite how bad it looks, if you are scum together. It is quite feasible and certainly not reason enough to clear either of you. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 01:43 GMT
#1723
On May 14 2015 10:36 GlowingBear wrote: I'm shooting no one until the kingmaker claims This is my last post for the night. I hate claiming as a blue role, but I am the Praetorian Guard, or the kingmaker. My requirement was to select three players I was confident of being town. The player who was highest on my list that survived the evening would be made the executioner for the day cycle. I selected you (GB), Trfel and Rasputin as my picks. All survived. You were #3, Trfel 4 and Rasputin 11. I will also reiterate that I would like to see marvellosity shot. Sidenote: I guess that also explains why Vivax's role dropping didn't make any sense....I'm not town vanilla this game obviously. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 01:48 GMT
#1725
EBWOP - I'll do another thorough analysis again GB but...... Xatalos looked better from the voting, but I still have reservations on him. I wouldn't shoot OWS, obviously not Stutters. LS is 50/50. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 01:49 GMT
#1728
I could compromise on a Blazinghand or an Oats shot. Obviously I didn't like them either. I would prioritise marv over those two, but yeah one of the reasons I picked all you three was because your reads mostly reflected what I had in mind. I have a wedding this weekend but I will try and get some analysis if you feel we need to split hairs or if you're not as sure of one as another. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 01:55 GMT
#1734
On May 14 2015 10:54 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2015 10:49 GlowingBear wrote: I won't shoot you now oats. Convince me I shouldn't shoot you, because if you don't, I'll do it tomorrow I might as well be a cop with 4 checks d1. Don't shoot oats. Is there anyone you recommend he shoots? | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 02:03 GMT
#1739
On May 14 2015 10:58 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2015 10:55 Half the Sky wrote: 8/60 On May 14 2015 10:54 batsnacks wrote: On May 14 2015 10:49 GlowingBear wrote: I won't shoot you now oats. Convince me I shouldn't shoot you, because if you don't, I'll do it tomorrow I might as well be a cop with 4 checks d1. Don't shoot oats. Is there anyone you recommend he shoots? VE can't be a bad shot statistically speaking... I'm not really sure yet. Seriously though do not shoot RS, JAT, or oats. Right now, the only one who would fall under the complete lurker category is ROL. (In case you missed it, Stutters claimed the vig shot on Palmar.) Onegu is someone I can't figure out right now. LS is 50/50, I have a scumlean on him. In any case, waiting until tomorrow for sure makes complete sense. I can understand the argument to eliminate a lurker and I certainly won't lose the plot if that's what happened, but I'd really prefer to hit someone that is a most likely scum. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 02:06 GMT
#1741
On May 14 2015 11:03 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2015 11:03 Half the Sky wrote: 9/60 On May 14 2015 10:58 batsnacks wrote: On May 14 2015 10:55 Half the Sky wrote: 8/60 On May 14 2015 10:54 batsnacks wrote: On May 14 2015 10:49 GlowingBear wrote: I won't shoot you now oats. Convince me I shouldn't shoot you, because if you don't, I'll do it tomorrow I might as well be a cop with 4 checks d1. Don't shoot oats. Is there anyone you recommend he shoots? VE can't be a bad shot statistically speaking... I'm not really sure yet. Seriously though do not shoot RS, JAT, or oats. Right now, the only one who would fall under the complete lurker category is ROL. (In case you missed it, Stutters claimed the vig shot on Palmar.) Onegu is someone I can't figure out right now. LS is 50/50, I have a scumlean on him. In any case, waiting until tomorrow for sure makes complete sense. I can understand the argument to eliminate a lurker and I certainly won't lose the plot if that's what happened, but I'd really prefer to hit someone that is a most likely scum. You never answered me do you scum read me? Ever so slightly, based on the nature of your posts. I get the impression Bats, that you are scared of me (operative words in bold in below quote). On May 14 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote: 60/65 3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu I'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here.... Bats I wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point. I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch. This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before. [...] | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 02:12 GMT
#1744
On May 14 2015 11:10 batsnacks wrote: Okay so VE and HTS are both very decent, high risk, high reward shots. They will have to be dealt with eventually though either via claim or flip. Are you not reading the thread? I claimed on the last page. On May 14 2015 10:43 Half the Sky wrote: 5/40 Show nested quote + On May 14 2015 10:36 GlowingBear wrote: I'm shooting no one until the kingmaker claims This is my last post for the night. I hate claiming as a blue role, but I am the Praetorian Guard, or the kingmaker. My requirement was to select three players I was confident of being town. The player who was highest on my list that survived the evening would be made the executioner for the day cycle. I selected you (GB), Trfel and Rasputin as my picks. All survived. You were #3, Trfel 4 and Rasputin 11. I will also reiterate that I would like to see marvellosity shot. Sidenote: I guess that also explains why Vivax's role dropping didn't make any sense....I'm not town vanilla this game obviously. If I'm missing something, call me out on it. It's after 3am so I'm out for the night, but I'll do some filter diving so I can help get the best possible shot off tomorrow morning. (And no Bats, do not be paranoid, I am not going to advocate shooting you.) | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 17:48 GMT
#1984
On May 15 2015 02:30 batsnacks wrote: This would have worked so much better if jat had waited till AFTER my lunch break to shoot rs. Or if he'd re-read the thread....you checked/cleared Rasputin last night my time. Not happy at all with that shot, we lost another lynch that could have very easily been prevented or been more useful towards someone else. Still catching up. Also see that BH was town, unfortunate but that needed to be resolved. Obi, you had a question for me I just missed, I moved you up as more likely town based on your N1 posting. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 17:55 GMT
#1992
On May 15 2015 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I might prefer a batsnacks lynch. But I can get behind an Onegu lynch too. ##Vote: Onegu Bats lynch? Do you think he's a scum fakeclaiming trying to clear a partner? Particularly given all the questions surrounding Oats/JAT gameplay. Rasputin was getting more townreads than scumreads, but Bats himself doesn't post so much. The paranoia from him has me on edge, but it's not strong enough evidence that I'd feel to lynch him. Why are you so sure on him? | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 18:31 GMT
#2031
A few points - Xatalos shot was not a bad one IMO (I mean seriously, he's fallen off again) although seeing his flip would have been really nice. I really do hope there is a coroner around this game. My take on Onegu: Argument between him and rsoultin - based on tone as I said before D1, I was seeing both town and scum tendencies in him. I was very torn that he's going after Rasputin, although basd on meta a key thing that made Rasputin scum was her tendency to hesitate for a post or two when people scumread her. She has adapted her scumgame well, but this game given the reasoning she's had particularly her long novel on n1, really makes me believe she's town. Yeh the formatting of her posts has hurt my head sometimes, but her reads are pretty clear even if she doesn't use the exact language to scumread someone (ie this person is scum). The key argument against Onegu regarding the case on Rasputin - to put it in one sentence - is that he's using ONE scumtell on her (instead of multiple that there are, and that he IS aware of, per our experience in NSM7) and a key scumtell I haven't seen is her hesitation for 1-2 posts before she responds if she is scumread. It's hard to articulate, but I haven't seen it here, and he's ignored that particular tell. Separate from this argument, he's been pushing LS, who I also don't like this game at all either (but that's a separate issue) though I see he's claiming a blue role as well. I'd say my biggest issue with Onegu is that he's really sparse with the scumreads. There are 4 scum remaining so if LS is blue, who is he scumreading now? Basically your lynch isn't a bad one at this point. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 18:37 GMT
#2034
On May 15 2015 03:28 TalkingDead wrote: Rsoultin filter is just kinda a mix of things: Me and her discussing the things we missed in each others posts Why she thought Vivax was town (pleb thing) and understanding why Marv, Damdred and I didn't pick up on it We talk about Marv for a bit and how based on roles/night actions/etc I'm a bit more leary of him. We come back to talking about my read on her before discussing yamato who I think is town Discuss the sheeping Palmer thing. She thinks Bats will flip town but likes shooting RoL. Comments on how BH seems to be a bullshitter regardless of his alignment We talk about Bats, she thinks the traps make him kinda towny and he's super over excited in pushing them. I kinda like the overexcited read but thought that he had used battraps more when he was mafia than town We filter dive LS for a bit together. She ends on him being kinda towny still and I think he's more null-scum. VE claims and we talk about his role for a bit. We talk about setup speculation with so much KP (which is apparently actually the norm for Ver setups... idk) She comments on her apparent assassination and how it's clearly from mafia TD, my experience with Bats has been the opposite. He uses traps more as town than scum. Don't recall him doing much anything productive in Aperture where he was scum. Also, at LS, if you are blue, then we need way more in the line of scumhunting from you. I don't care if you use meta at this point or whatever, just do something productive. :/ Stutters is an uncounterclaimed blue, he might not post much (wish he did do more), but at least he shot Palmar. Trying to filter dive a few people atm and see if anything is jumping out. I see where VE is coming from, but I also agree with the sentiment that the mason thing does not really confirm anyone. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 18:47 GMT
#2039
On May 15 2015 03:38 Stutters695 wrote: @HtS can you show me some examples? I don't want to filter dive for that and that's such a broad tell that is so context dependent it's hard to put faith in that for me. Who are you discussing in this question and which tell? I just commented on a few things. LS, Bats, Onegu? If Onegu, you should remember from NSM7 or at least have the QT from when we were discussing Ras's hesistancy as scum. That's the most recent example. If you mean Bats, he used bat traps in Carol and another game that is slipping my mind atm. Kelsier - OWS looked better to me after N1. Am I missing something somewhere? I have always found him difficult to read as both alignments in prior game, and I do disclaim my track record of reading him is poor, but his posting N1 seemed to have a bit more substance. It's a weak read, and I'd need to see a bit more from him to be confident, but I had him in a do not lynch after N1. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 18:57 GMT
#2042
On May 15 2015 03:38 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 15 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote: On May 15 2015 03:26 batsnacks wrote: On May 15 2015 03:22 yamato77 wrote: On May 15 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote: On May 15 2015 03:14 yamato77 wrote: Stop fucking listening to JAT. He's dead scum, literally useless to the thread. HTS, comment on the fucking Onegu lynch I'm leading or you're next. Dude. Serious talk for a minute even though the trolling is really fun. You incorrectly shot me, now you could at least pay a little respect to my reads. Post a single reads post and then stop playing. If you feel the need, update it before you die. Otherwise, you're just fucking mafia shitting up the thread. I don't like the cut of your jib, friend. Jat is town anyway. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING THOSE READS PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME BECAUSE I FUCKING THOUGHT YOU WERE CORONER AND CHECKED OATS ROLE AND I TOOK A STEP BACK INSTEAD OF SHOOTING HIM ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH I've already said it like four times I can check alignments. Jat is going to flip VT. When he does, you can trust me about oats. Bats, can you explain to me: 1 How your checks work (each cycle or part of the cycle) 2 Why you checked the person you did and when you checked each person | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 19:11 GMT
#2046
On May 15 2015 04:02 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 15 2015 03:50 GlowingBear wrote: On May 11 2015 23:40 batsnacks wrote: I wish I had some nukes. My abilities are pleb tier. You sound more like your pleb, here. Basically I claimed vt subtly and Jat, rs, and oats picked up on it immediately. I think this was early enough in the game that mafia wouldn't have asked for fakes yet. VE, yamato, BH, LS, and you (GB) all blatantly missed it so you're all most likely either blues or mafia. Sandro also picked up on it btw but I missed it because I wasn't reading and was afk at eod. So voting Sandro was a mistake. Alright, makes sense. Aside from Stutters and myself, LS has claimed his blue role as well. So that at least falls in line with the play. BH was blue as well. If I gave that executioner power to a scum GB though I think I'm going to quit TL :/ At Kelsier, I just saw OWS's reasoning for voting you....not sure who missed what, though I think missing one question is a flimsy argument from his end. Ergh. He should resolve that or ping you again though....though if you did miss a question you probably should answer too. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 20:27 GMT
#2061
LS claims anything and everything as both alignments. Gameplay? Absolutely horrible in comparison to his townplay and not like his town gameplay. Although the irony with you Onegu is that I explained (aside from Ras's case) why you aren't looking great to me now, even if LS was fakeclaiming there are still at least two scum left (I'm going to assume at least one of Xatalos or JAT is scum) so the fact you aren't breaking ground on anyone else doesn't look good at all or at least trying to legitimately PoE people or whatever, yeh. Not to mention JAT is getting nuked, so regardless of his alignment, you're the main wagon. So if you are town, you need to re-read the thread and find some scumreads or you'll be another mislynch if you are. Marv, Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as both alignments (I'm pretty sure that is gramatically correct English). He's done this before as scum, so I'm not putting too much weight on his filter just because of the way he's mentioned people as one alignment, both alignments, even harder pushes, and in the past I've been wrong on what he's meant. Yamato, I don't think what Bats did makes him scum. When he voted Sandroba, he did it in a way that he drew more suspicion to himself (his "claiming") than those he scumread for not picking up on the pleb comment. That's probably more in line with town play, and when he said those three reads were town reads, he didn't explain why and now it makes sense. LS (if true) and I each claimed on our own terms (independently of what Bats said) and BH has flipped blue. I'm working on a theory (as I look into TD to make sure I don't miss anything) that KSC is town. Obi, would like to know what other than the question dodging makes him better lynch than Onegu. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 20:36 GMT
#2064
EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...." Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1. I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting. Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either. Just saying. I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 20:50 GMT
#2072
Okay, so I'm not out quite yet... On May 15 2015 05:15 Onegu wrote: Here is why you shouldnt believe LS claim. Me and Rsoul went over this in TS with him like 3 times in the last 2 weeks. Whenever he gets pressure he claims. As town I think he knows me and rsoul told him how bad it is and wouldnt do it... So he is trying to make this look like his town meta. Like if we didnt just talk about this with him then ok. But we did. Ehhhh Onegu, another critique of LS's play that I have is that LS will throw random links for metas without clarifying the exact parallels between the game in question and his current game. I've been on him about this as both alignments since damned Horn of Africa. Does this make him mafia? Not necessarily. From a purely objective standpoint, LS's claim is scum like because it's not even halfway through the day, but he does this as both alignments even if you tell him a bazillion times not to do it. I'm actually more inclined to believe LS's explanation for voting you actually because 1 I've never seen him claim a blue role as scum (granted he could be doing it for the first time, but for what I've played with him, he's NOT a high-risk player) nor would he claim that role with this setup and a relatively high risk of counterclaim. 2 He explained his role with his actions - saving GB and that is in line with him townreading GB going into D2 after checking his filter. Another case of selective meta reasoning....strike two on you. Looking more into TD's case on BH, now that we know that BH is blue, I'm beginning to wonder if that is a really contorted case on him by TD. Combine that with the questions that both KSC and I had on him, and he's probably a decent chance at scum. Not concluding anything yet but I really am starting to wonder.... PHEW....now I'm done for now. I'm throwing my vote on Onegu because at this point I think it's a good lynch. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 21:24 GMT
#2099
On May 15 2015 06:08 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On May 15 2015 06:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: In more relevant events, I'd say that Onegu ignoring LS's claim and trying to lynch him anyway is a spectacular reason to lynch him. I just told you why you shouldnt believe his claim... ....and I've just told you why your reasoning in of itself does not particularly make him mafia. I just gave an example of my own where he plays suboptimally as both alignments and him not taking your advice, my advice on things does not make him mafia. So you either need to build a stronger case, or find another candidate for scum. Focusing on 1-2 scum at a time isn't going to save you as you're the leading wagon nor am I buying that argument for you not continually scumhunting. The chances of you two double bussing as both mafia I'd say are low so if I had to pick a mafia from both of you, I'd say you over him. Given both of your respective gameplaying though I'd highly doubt it's town on town. Also fairly confident Xatalos was scum, so him pushing LS as an easy lynch was plausible (yeah unflipped association, yeah I know...). KSC, now that we know BH was flipped, go to the case that TD made on BH. Does anything strike you as potentially off? I am assuming you are more experienced playing with BH than I am. As for Obi...he always posts one-liners and he doesn't bleed town as either alignment to be fair. His WIFOM post can come as either alignment. Don't agree with his post on you, you just gave a purposes where to start looking post-lynch. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 14 2015 21:25 GMT
#2101
On May 15 2015 06:17 TalkingDead wrote: I think I missed some of this a bit earlier. I think I'd rather give Batsnacks a pass than RoL. Both Batsnacks and Palmer voting together on Sandroba as mafia is really, really unlikely. RoL has basically done nothing this game yet is magically right on Palmer; that feels far more bussy to me than not. Onegu and LS aren't bad targets based on them both being smart enough to not throw away their votes. That said, Stutters/Kelsier/Oats/OWS/Trfel/Xatalos are the next people I'd look at. My reserve on Xatalos (having re-filtered him yet) is that the way things look, no mafia were up for the D1 lynch and rather mafia could just freely organize wherever semi-naturally without having to fear about losing one of their own. Stutters is an uncounterclaimed vig who claimed the shot on scum Palmar. Do you have adequate reason to think he shot his own scumbuddy? Xatalos was already day-vigged by VE. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 15 2015 22:21 GMT
#2273
Skimmed through. A few things. I'm bogged with wedding related commitments (being in the party) today and tomorrow so I apologise I haven't been able to really contribute here. My thoughts in brief (phone posting ATM) Regarding the mason exchange and everything, GB, I think you might be mistaken - rsoultin was beginning to back off Marv, don't think she was killed. My working theory is that Xatalos was scum, JAT (given his play, he's not working quite as hard now over 2 cycles) and obv Palmar are three. I am fine with Onegu being the lynch tbh. I feel his reasoning (which I have contested) doesn't really add up. I think obi is town. I do not understand the case on him. His posting quality over time gives a more town vibe the reasoning is clear etc. I think the last is somewhere in TD/Marv/ksc. I'm sure one of them is tricking me, but not sure whom. can't easily look up the flavour for Stutters ATM...my only gripe with his gameplay is that'd he'd be doing a tad more (like he did in nsm7) but as Vig no one has cced him etc. Since I'm out all tomorrow...leave me any questions you have. Will promise to pick it up Sunday when I return (assuming I survive). Also if anyone needs posts I'll check in when I wake up tomorrow. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 16 2015 13:12 GMT
#2380
##give 10 posts to GlowingBear KSC your checks please (or whom) I would not shoot Obi or Trfel. At this point not KSC either. TD, Marv, wait until daypost. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 16 2015 13:17 GMT
#2381
Ignore that last post I keep thinking its N3. I'm a doofus. Yamato seems towny to me as well. LS, would really like to know where he stands with the scumreads. | ||
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Germany9029 Posts
May 16 2015 13:19 GMT
#2382
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Germany9029 Posts
May 16 2015 19:29 GMT
#2458
Apologies to Vivax and Onegu. GG town, well played. A little suspicious on TD but wouldn't have caught Marv til later. I'll comment more on the game late tonight. Also what is a captain? (Trfel's role)? | ||
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