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43/60 (yeh I miscounted)
On May 13 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: I want people to tell me why oats does not deserve to be lynched today
I'm scumreading him atm, could compromise by voting him if there is a train, but I am honestly more confident in Vivax/Xatalos.
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44/60
On May 13 2015 00:25 rsoultin wrote: i still don't agree with it, and it makes even less sense given damdred's push, which is why i've unvoted cause fuck damdy right now i'm not sheeping his reads -_-
I don't think it makes him scum. I disagree with him, but I see where he's coming from. You have the camp that argues more information is gathered keeping BM around, you have those that argue that keeping BM around will just impede progress and keep people distracted from finding other scum.
It's a catch-22.
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45/60
Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??).
But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine.
On May 13 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
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also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia
i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case
his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him
I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax.
In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey.
GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him.
Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either. (Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.)
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46/60
GlowingBear -
1 Xatalos
On May 12 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:22/60 Xatalos is looking like playing to his scum meta. In Carol both (town) GB and Vivax cased him and a central point they had on a scum Xatalos was how murky his reads were in justifying his switches. GlowingBear in particular stated that Xatalos didn't have deep reads on people. I get the same impression here from the reads he's made so far. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote: I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out. Also whilst LS didn't really impress me early on, I also don't think Xatalos had an original stance on LS and the quote he uses to substantiate his read on LS is also pretty shaky. At least a few people mentioned the conditional wording that LS had in his opening posts. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 02:46 Xatalos wrote:Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away. What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads? @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game. LS generally isn't one to be articulate but at least in this particular paragraph he does reach some conclusions on two people from knowing "LS speak" for lack of better words. But he's also made conclusions on people in other posts. So at least looking through Xata's filter, I've got a decent scumlean on him. Need to AFK atm.
2 Vivax
I call Vivax out for doing jack all about 20h or so into the day.
On May 12 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote: 11/60
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Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him?
When Vivax DOES appear in thread, his posts show a scumlike behaviour.
On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote:16/60 [...] My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment.
Above quote on Rasputin gets nowhere, plus if you look at Vivax's filter there is zero followup.
On May 12 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote:40/60 [...] Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote: Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's.
Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that. Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual.
Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote: LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia? ...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her. [...]
The above quote I tried to illustrate to sandroba what I found wrong with Vivax. But that should make it a bit more clear.
1 The quality of his posting doesn't reflect credible scumhunting in any manner. 2 Trashing his town meta (his excuse for his current play) isn't credible after the fact.
And at LightningStrike:
On May 13 2015 00:58 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred why you shoot BM when we just had him pardoned by GB and the fact we have multiple people that look worse than BM?
FFS you aren't reading. RTFT please. Damdred answered this twice over in the last two pages.
Now I'm out.
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47/60
Blazinghand:
On May 13 2015 05:21 Blazinghand wrote: can someone link me to conslidated vivax case plx
I have consolidated cases on Vivax/Xatalos here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=58#1154
Also GlowingBear has a case incoming on Oats.
Trfel:
On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote: You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel? He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum. It's just a policy lynch.
Trfel, no, just no. Looking at your history, I think you've only had one game with Vivax (and he was town in Carol).
You are unfamiliar with his scum meta. His scum meta is that he lurks and dies basically. Even on the content of his posting, there are major issues with what he HAS posted. A town Vivax would have pushed Rasputin when he first mentioned her. A town Vivax would be pushing Marv and myself. He listed us two this late in the game, he knows he doesn't have to do any work because neither of us are getting lynched today.
VisceraEyes:
On May 13 2015 02:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been considering a sandroba lynch, but I'm not about that life so much. I kinda agree with marv's post on the matter, plus I feel like as mafia he just sorta doesn't play. That leaves me with players like Stutters, Vivax, Xatalos for the lynch. I think of the three, I prefer Vivax or Stutters.
Stutters does jack all D1 as either alignment, since he's returned recently. How are you sure he's scum this go this soon? The 2 games I've had with him, both alignments he's easier to read post lynch. So how are you fleshing him out now? Especially compared to the other lurkers?
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48/60
Trfel
On May 13 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:22 justanothertownie wrote:On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote: You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel? He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum. It's just a policy lynch. Show me one game where Vivax played well as scum recently. Only one. Game of Thrones Mini Mafia. His play there is much better than his play here. What makes Vivax mafia and not lazy, obnoxious town?
I skimmed the Game of Thrones filter. There are two very distinct parallels between that filter and his current filter.
1 His method of questioning. He asked pointed questions but DOES NOTHING WITH THEM. It's the same thing here. 2 His reads are extremely disjointed.
Yes, the quantity of posting is different, but it's not any better. Quality, it's pretty shit tier.
You've actually just further proven why Vivax is scum. 200%
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50/60
Palmar
On May 13 2015 06:07 Palmar wrote: I don't know what Vivax is and I doubt I'll be able to read him before the lynch. I'm not gonna vote him but I won't defend him.
I'm not even sure I want to demand you guys sheep me onto sandroba.
Marv could actually be mafia btw.
GlowingBear
1 Case on Oats (or link it?) 2 So far I'm confident on a circle of marv, you, Ras, Damdred, TD. Yamato, probably but not easy to follow his read progression. Palmar and sandroba are in my "under review category."
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51/60
On May 13 2015 06:21 Vivax wrote: Hope at some point people will notice how HTS is just affirming things and pushing her "scumreads" but avoids interacting, in this case, with what I said. I pointed out earlier how she didn't try to engage me in a conversation and I don't see that answered.
Overall the one thing I see myself doing as scum is pick lynches and push them, and try to get a stance on important stuff. What ends up lacking in that case is the part of trying to figure out things. The play is more deterministic so to say and that's about the feeling I get from HTS posts.
You have eight votes on you. Why don't you comment about the rest of the people on your wagon? If you read my filter you'd actually see what discernments I made. How about the others?
It's glaringly obvious you're not reading the thread based on the post on Rasputin, or myself, and it's glaringly obvious marv and I aren't the only ones scumreading you.
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52/60
I need to stop posting, really need to conserve for EoD/night. But this is where I stand.
Where I stand on my null/scumreads:
The policy vote category Batsnacks, Stutters, ROL (all lurk as either alignment)
Null Trfel (town to null based on the fact he's been out of thread too long. Could use more insight on reads other than Vivax/Onegu.) Onegu (Very torn on this one. I'm seeing both scum and town tells in him with tone. I don't consider activity in of itself indicative.) VE (I honestly have no idea how to read him. Nothing is screaming scum to me but would like to see how he's so sure on Stutters.)
Under review but never the lynch tonight Palmar (Nothing seemed off at first glance but he has tricked me as scum. Will need to re-read.) KelsierSC (Can't follow logic easily, but I know from Void and even Titanic, this is possible for his town play. Will need to re-read more closely) Sandroba (not sure I'm understanding his reads, probably doesn't make him scum, but need to review D2)
Scum lean LS (Called out on not reading the thread twice, most of his last meta diving has been null reads)
Probable Scum Blazinghand (I said before I don't like how his role actions to speak for him, not seeing anything in the line of scumhunting, even in Titanic 7 he did that eventually. Unlike Damdred or GB in this respect.) Oatsmaster (Dodging questions, the reads on Sandroba were horrible) OWS (Main issue is the read on Vivax. Townreads him for a pretty bad reason and then "prepares" to scumread him again to try and fit in. Eventually votes him. Others have mentioned this too.)
Lynch it with fire Xatalos (Loose/murky reads, positions on Rasputin are contrived at best. Case on page 58.) Vivax (My case is on page 58. Inactivity first 20h of the game, excuse of trashing town meta is not credible, pointed questions with no info followup, the reads on marv and myself are contrived)
Voting Xatalos now, pref him or Vivax lynched. Will compromise with the town circle/reads with a vote on Blazinghand, Oats or OWS if it spares any other reads.
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53/60
I will lynch Vivax or Xatalos over Blazinghand.
JAT (or OWS), I know you made the point about him hiding behind his role as scum. He did it as town too. (Titantic 7, even after being modconfirmed) He was however given ample opportunity to get some reads.
I've looked over both Vivax/Xata's filters and honestly they just somehow manage to keep looking worse. Vivax especially. I even paralleled Vivax' most recent game in GoT to this game and there are glaring tells (it's in my filter my response to Trfel).
Xata, I'll be frank, I'm looking at your filter and I don't see an improvement in the reads. To be fair though EoD in another game I can't talk about may have compromised this just now.
Those of you wanting to vote Vivax, I'd be happy to hammer Vivax. We need 2 more plus myself.
I am still scumreading BH (reviewing Marv's case again) but I want Vivax or Xatalos lynched. 100%. With fire, end of.
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LYNCH VIVAX WITH ME
DAMDRED, GB, STUTTERS, WHOEVER ELSE
Blazinghand, if you're somehow town, save yourself and vote Vivax please
##unvote ##vote Vivax
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Mods: GlowingBear is listed twice.
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55/60
On May 13 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote: I changed my mind.
Kill Blazinghand please.
I'm sticking to Vivax. If Vivax is town, I will take responsibility for the mislynch.
Trfel - Kelsier is under review for me. He has had really shaky reads in Titanic 7.
Also think I can make it through the night with 5 posts left. But those of you who know you aren't doing jack all with extra posts, I'd appreciate an extra 1-3 posts. Cheers.
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56/60
FML. I am so sorry Vivax.
Looks like I need to focus on the people that jumped on the wagons for shaky reasoning. Going to look at the votes and digest.
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57/60
Rolling some thoughts off without filter diving.
Bats, 1-3 posts would be fine. <3
And Palmar, pardon me for being paranoid, but the way you phrased this sounds like a scumslip.
On May 14 2015 01:18 Palmar wrote: I was gonna make a list post and half the way through it I realized that about half the town would've been in my "Literally not read a single post tier"
At the very least, how can one conclude someone is town if you haven't read a single post of theirs? That logic surely doesn't follow.
Anyways....
I agree with the comments on marvellosity looking poor for his switch to Vivax esp after prioritising a BH lynch. A red flag from my perspective (and as I learnt from Titanic with scum Palmar and Damdred sheeping me) is that I don't consider myself a good enough calibre of a town player (in terms of read quality/accuracy) to be sheeped the way that was happening.
In Titanic, I case town Fecalfeast, push his lynch like crazy, and both Damd and Palmar simply said "good case" and regardless of their read on me, sheeped it. Same thing happened when I cased Rayn, who was eventually lynched that game. This game, besides the issue with marv as cited (if he wasn't sure on Vivax, and considering I'm not a top-tier town with reads, why didn't Marv show more skepticism towards the quality of my reads), offhand I know JAT replied "fine" when I yelled for the thread to get on Vivax but aside from Marv, I need to see who else looked bad.
BH had to vote to save himself, that in of itself won't make him scum.
Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear,
Just looking at the isolated wagons, Bats, Onegu, LS, ROL and Palmar look pretty bad. I know Onegu was scumreading LS and Ras, LS was looking bad to people, so the question remains for Onegu why he didn't push LS more.
24 players after the BM kill. 21 voters. Non-voters were VE and Stutters.
VE I recalled coming in asking who was getting lynched and asks Yamato about 45 minutes prior to EoD whilst the fracas with the BH/Xata/Vivax was going about and AFKing until well after. It's almost like he didn't care as to whom was getting lynched. Why he AFKed especially without voting that close to EoD, I have no idea.
It sounds like he's been around long enough he probably knows Hapa/Ver don't modkill for no-votes (I assume), if it were BH or another host that did modkill it might be easier to think the no-voters were likely town, so we can't conclude that. Though it doesn't make them mafia, AFKing the vote I think makes VE look poor.
............and after copying and pasting I see VE is here in thread.
VE, you asked who was getting lynched one hour prior to EoD when everything was going down. Why'd you AFK after you asked Yamato a question about BH? Better yet, that close to EoD, why did you fail to vote?
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58/60 + 0/3 (Bats) + 0/2 (Onegu) (Sidenote: Should be more than fine with the posts I've been given, cheers you two.)
Final Day 1 Vote Count:
Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear No-votes (2) - VisceraEyes, Stutters695
So looking at the main wagons and trying to follow the read patterns:
Vivax wagon - Part 1 (JAT/Oats progression in Part 2)
BH - had to vote to save himself in all instances. Vote in of itself is NAI.
Marv - really suspicious given the overall read progression on Vivax compared to BH as others have mentioned.
TD - preferred the BH lynch, but wound up on Vivax. Unclear with his rationale so asking questions here:
Started casing BH here = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=43#849
First mention of Vivax in filter, in passing to Sandroba about how poor his reads were = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=53#1047
Decides to sheep Palmar (more or less) on Vivax: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=62#1235
The case on BH makes sense with his latest casing of BH. Townread on Palmar also makes sense. Only thing was whether TD/Rayn used this (the transfer of votes off the Vivax wagon)
On May 13 2015 08:26 TalkingDead wrote: There's not time for that and it doesn't matter this late in the day. It is in no way about trying to find "the scum that unvoted their partners." It doesn't make you scum and it doesn't make Xatalos town. It's the asymmetrical shift that's interesting, both in the sense that people are more willing to move off you and that people are less willing to move off of him. What is interesting about your response is that you've ignored my point about Imperial entirely to pick at the corners of the point I'm trying to make.
...to justify voting one wagon over another. I don't think he did but I would have expected him to wind up on BH, trusting his own read over Palmar's read on Vivax, since I know TD (I am assuming it's Rayn here) to be very confident, super confident in his reads.
If he has any insight on any of the vote switchers (besides Marv/BH) that might be appreciated.
Also TD, your comparison with Imperial....that game is murky - did the votes come off faster or slower and what does that tell about people compared to here? Not sure what you were trying to say there (I'm interested because I'm trying to look at the same thing).
I don't think TD is suspicious entirely for this, but TD, I feel I need some clarification on why he went back to Vivax, when you appeared to be more sold on BH.
Xatalos - Progression on BH goes on like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=35#694 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=33#649
Calls him out based on the use of the role.
Per vote logs, started voting for LS/Onegu, then Vivax, then switched to BH, then back to Vivax. I traced his filter along with the timing of his votes. Though he switches to BH, he does this to presumably save himself when he was the other wagon. His switches first to and back to Vivax make sense with the reasoning he provides especially when BH picks up the posting.
So Xatalos' switch to BH is NAI but his votes on Vivax are in line with his reasoning. Granted, Xatalos was parroting, and he could be mafia, but his voting in of itself doesn't scream mafia.
Kelsier - Suspicious of TD and BM. Post BM kill, votes Xatalos and then Vivax. Pushes on TD are in line with his votes but can't get that wagon going.
First reads are having Vivax and Xatalos on a would lynch list. There is no explanation here initially: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=26#502
Though he follows up with conclusions on Xatalos with this post - I agreed with Kels on Xatalos' very murky reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=34#672
His read on BH as town is in line with his townread on marv, it might be confirmation bias at that point but it doesn't make KSC mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=41#803
One possible red flag is where he says Vivax is town and wouldn't lynch him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=35#700
Final justification of switching to Vivax is here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=72#1439
KSC's point about not getting Xatalos lynched is very valid as I wanted more people on Xata (Xata lynch > BH lynch at that time) before I changed to Vivax myself. Sheeping not one, but three of his townreads makes sense although Trfel called KSC out for not focusing on the right things (Marv sheeping me over someone he was pushing doesn't make sense) I'd consider this suboptimal play as opposed to being mafia.
I'll get to JAT/Oats in the next post, but I have some questions for Talking Dead in there I'm not clear on.
So as far as I can see, the voting further implicates Marv.
- BH and Xatalos both could be mafia but not for the voting. - Xatalos might actually be less likely to be mafia, but his D1 gameplay was mostly scummy, so it's really difficult to tell whether it was him trying to get the votes off himself. - KSC - probably town here at least from voting analysis.
(Apologies for the wall of text folks.)
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59/65 (3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu)
On May 14 2015 06:49 sandroba wrote: So HTS and LS, when is it ok to start considering lynching stutters?
The way I look at Stutters from playing with him past game, is starting to look at him post-lynch (D1) and much more critically D2. N1 right now, he's not posting much of anything.
Although I look at his filter now, and I realise the same problem with him and VE. At 25m prior to EoD, he's most strongly on Vivax, yet he didn't vote. So that is pretty weird.
If I had to scum Stutters on D1: He flipped out about the GB pardon, but didn't do anything after that.
Now his latest quote -
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=83#1644
BH has posted a lot since the lynch.
So Stutters, can you elaborate on why you think his posting has fallen short? BH trolls a lot and has done this as town. Are you actually getting a scum vibe? Also why didn't you vote Vivax?
Sandroba, I played two games with Stutters recently - NSM7 and NSM9. 7 was vigishot as VT. 9 was mafia vanilla and was vigshot N2.
In 7, his posting was more substantial and he pushed harder D2.
In 9, he was scumread by the vig for lurking at EoD. His post quality D2 really tanked hard, but that could have been RL related. But normally where I'd have been alright with him EoD, the actual vig wasnt. Still I wasn't seeing the pickup D2 that I did from his town game. The other way he got picked off was his bussing prplhz for not playing way too early. I saw that as meta, but it was still early in the game for him to be doing that.
Point is, there were much more discernible behaviours one way or another on him by D2. He's easier to sort out then.
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60/65 3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu
I'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here....
Bats
On May 14 2015 02:16 batsnacks wrote: @HTS Are you scum reading me y/n?
I wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point.
I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch.
This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before.
Kelsier I had some questions to TD - what do you think of TD's answers? It's a few posts after my post on Stutters.
As an aside, I'm getting more irritated with LS's posting. He's not coherent but that's not my problem with him. He's not particularly being helpful either even with the use of meta. I know he throws meta links and he's been criticised for that before as town, but the one distinct thing I'm noticing as this thread grows is that LS will post mainly after he's called out. I've noticed that 2-3 times. From what I'm reading, he's sheeping his town reads, but I am having difficulty discerning from a scum who is sheeping a wrong read. Tone wise, I townread him in his scumgames, so I am ignoring that. The main scum tell for him is not posting as much.
LS, do you have any stances on anyone new besides those you have mentioned?
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60/65 3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu
Legacy list
Town – confident (no particular order) - GB, Trfel, Rasputin, KelsierSC, sandroba (subsequent N1 posting) OWS is looking better post-lynch, VE a little as well (posting N1). Damdred has fallen off since lynch, but I know he’s catching up. ROL is in the why did you sign up for this game category. I can follow Yamato a lot less EoD1 and N1, the only thing he has going is we have the same reads. Scum leans: Xatalos, Stutters, LS, batsnacks Probable scum: Oatsmaster, BH, marvellosity
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