On March 19 2015 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm reading Toad's filter now and the only thing I got out of it was that he thinks Palmar is scum, some interactions with SL and a lot of fluff particularly on Pg 2. What I don't really understand is why he let go of the Palmar scum theory in favour of chasing SL, then jumped back to Palmar without any real 'trigger' for it other than rsoultin asking him.
Problem with that is that he mentions he's back to voting for Palmar in response to that question before he expands, so he had already been thinking of switching back to Palmar before anyone triggered him. Palmar hadn't posted between the time Toad switched to SL and went back to Palmar.
Did you copy & paste that from someone out of Hammertime? Sure as hell feels like it... There were plenty of people who said exactly the same after Palmar ruined the thread... like how I'm fluffy and useless and they expected me to do more and I ended up getting lynched for it, which you know about as a host.
I let go of Palmar for a second because SL sounded really bad. If you look at my filter you even see me going back and forth about SL, how I mention that the emoticon read is bullshit because all it does is show that he's an unintential liar no matter of alignment. And if it was unintentional no matter of alignment it's not alignment indicative, it just shows that he's a liar. And a bad player. Seems like lynchbait to me and I apologize for going after him. I should have been smarter than to let myself get fooled by people saying he's stupid and therefore mafia even if it only lasted for about an hour.
I got back on Palmar because he's mafia and like I said, I lost the last games because I was too carefree as town and didn't manage to get the weight of my reads explained resulting in people not lynching mafia even after I got killed first cycle like 4 times in a row statint who's mafia and who's not. So yeah, making sure people read it.
IF I AM ALREADY DEAD AND YOU'RE READING THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TROUGH MY FILTER AGAIN, MESSAGE FROM THE PAST: LYNCH PALMAR I'LL KICK YOU IN THE DICK POSTGAME IF YOU DON'T I think that should do the trick of making sure what I consider to be important after I flip
On March 19 2015 09:02 Palmar wrote: I actually kinda sorta maybe believe my reasons for voting Toad. Both of the things I said are true.
#1 "guyses" is not a word any viable human being utters in a normal sentence. #2 He is half-assedly copying what was a much cooler play when he was town
so we know the first thing is a lie from you because you didn't even bother to check a simple TL search for me, despite knowing that you did exactly the same bullshit the last game we played together in which you lynched me when we both were town. I'm starting to believe you're doing this on purpose and not just to start some discussion.
The second thing is the same bullshit you did without explaining anything just "kill toad" you did last game as well and again, I'd think you'd not repeat that especially after last game and having ragequitted there.
So why are you doing this Palmar?
24. Toadesstern As Queen Zeal, Was Lynched Cycle 5!
as mafia
gg
did you even bother going through the list? You see I'm using it in my towngames as well: first game is this, second game is JoaT that has Toadesstern in the OP. There are posts in there from outside of mafiagames, yet you only mention one where I was mafia and Palmar didn't even bother to check it at all? Why not come to the conclusion that I'm just using that word a lot no matter what? Even in irc when not playing mafia...
no i didn't bother because it was far too much effort and I don't really care enough to click past one game (+ i still thought joat was ongoing for some reason)
but this doesn't matter because what palmar said is true because it's exactly how I felt
funny how you mentioned how it's important to look at peoples reasoning and not just at the result just recently. But that doesn't matter if you like the results I take it?
Also I know, you're going to call me mafia for "ignoring" Rayn and going after my own read instead. Also I know, you're going to call me mafia for not going after my own reads enough. You've been doing that all game long now even if I showed you that everything Palmar and you said about me is just factually incorrect
No need to kick people in the dick I mean even Vegeta didn't deserve such a treatment:
But for real how likely you think Palmar is Mafia?
On March 20 2015 03:15 Damdred wrote: LS you just always have to null read me and never town read me even when I think you are town. It makes me sad and makes me want to not call you town puppy .
Back to cooking any questions I will answer when i'm back
You looked way to townie in Titanic for me to trust my early read on you sorry
On March 20 2015 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: i don't even know what you are saying now.
out of curiosity, have you ever done a myers briggs type test? i ask because i have the feeling our types are the same or very similar...which is all to say that even when i disagree with you when you're town i usually have no trouble at all following your thought process
^ i'd still like an answer to that question out of curiosity xP but more on point:
your sicklucker and superbia scumreads...why?
lol and you're definitely talking to me like you think i'm town so where did that read come from?
every time i take a myers briggs with a decent amount of time between them I get a different result and therefore conclude that the test is bullshit
I think LightningStrike is scum. His filter reads, to me, like this: LS is having a hard time entering the game but sees someone (superbia) take notice. Lightningstrike posts some replies and simple questions on page 39 to get his activity up before going to bed. His first post after returning is this mess:
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled.
Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game.
So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
FIRST, I bolded the parts of the post that could have any relevance to the game. He answered the open question in the post he quoted and then near the end of the post saying artanis made a good point that if one of palmar/rayn is mafia the other is town. NEXT, I put strikethroughs on the parts of the post that are completely irrelevant. The first part is just "rsoultin did something that I don't read one way or the other" which is fluff. The next part is "Palmar and rayn are fighting and artanis is trying to stop them. Artanis looked townie in a game one time but then he looked scummy. Also he rolled scum in a game I was coaching." Completely useless and just there to pad the length of the post.
The questions are also a little weird here. The first question asks artanis about palmar and rayn but he just said in his post that he has to be careful reading artanis because of a similar situation where artanis lynched town. The question to ExO is just asking for reads, so why add "considering our past history with eachother" to it? I think it's because he is trying to gauge how well he is fitting his town meta without asking directly.
On March 19 2015 22:53 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so Artanis just answered the question while I was making my big post and saying Rayn but HF is backing him up so here my new question directed at both of you: Had both of you played with Mafia!Rayn before and if Yes can you give me a few example posts he makes as Mafia and compared them to some of his posts here?
This post. LS is usually the one to find previous games and link them to other people. He is giving HF and artanis menial work to do when they are already talking about rayn's meta and why he is scummy. This does not look like a town LS post at all. his list post gives my cornea damage and I will therefore be skipping it. I will say that I get the impression that he ordered the list first and gave reasons for why later.I also agree wtih this sentiment:
On March 19 2015 23:47 LightningStrike wrote: I not Mafia I swear Vivax check all my games out if you need proof bro O_o
Confident that he is mimicking his town meta, he tries to get people to only read him using meta
LS just doesn't seem like his normal town self. He hasn't given a town/scum read based on meta from a game he wasn't in. He hasn't found previous games of people and linked them to others. In fact the only person he has linked games for is himself. His posts read like he's trying to force a stream of consciousness when he doesn't have anything to say.
Other than that I think there is scum between SL and slam but not both of them.
Ugh I been told by Palmar and others to not use meta on people on games I didn't play in (or involved) and trying to do that less tbh. I also been told by others to not just link people games as most people wont click on the links tbh (HTS and Breshke told me that after Horns) and trying to be better on that T_T. I also had asked for HF to give me example posts for comparison from Rayn's past games as Mafia and compared them to this game but he failed to deliver that part but I still waiting on that but I still had listed my reasons for potentially scumreading Rayn this game in my filter.
I also been watching the European LCS for LoL so ya that why I been lurking and will be watching it still for a hour or two and was in a break and now back to watching that
Okay since no one is really asking me questions atm I finding it odd that sicklucker is giving a free townread to rayn when you shouldn't give free townreads do you guys finding that odd?
On March 20 2015 06:19 LightningStrike wrote: Okay since no one is really asking me questions atm I finding it odd that sicklucker is giving a free townread to rayn when you shouldn't give free townreads do you guys finding that odd?
How did you compile the reads in your list post?
I took the time to read people's filters and so that how I came to those reads.