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On February 12 2015 04:49 IAmRobik wrote: ugh. this is probably a good idea. SKs ruin games Sign up wussy Woof woof | ||
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On February 13 2015 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Gonna start in about 27 hours, I need to schedule around a hackathon I'll be overnighting at Saturday-Sunday. [excited tail wagging] | ||
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On February 14 2015 09:37 LightningStrike wrote: Bad puppy don't think that dirty -.- [poops on your floor] | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote: Have I ever mentioned how much LightningStrike is my favorite person on TL? [loud whining] | ||
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On February 14 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you never claim miller. Never. As town. Period. You get lynched if you do. Why would you not claim miller? It seems like a great play for town. You stop cop from checking you and distracting town, and because GMs very rarely if ever run multiple millers in a game, you know that a miller counterclaim is very likely mafia. It's such a great play for town to make that I'm also going to claim miller. The only snag is that it's also a good place for mafia to be, especially in a semi-open game where the miller isn't guaranteed to exist. But this kind of statement just seems a little arbitrary to me. | ||
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Also this guy is town because his filter is already longer than it was after one cycle of play in Imperial. | ||
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On February 15 2015 03:45 prplhz wrote: hey puppy! what do you think about fecalfeast? Nothing in particular yet. Seems alright I guess. Am I supposed to be thinking something about FF yet? | ||
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On February 15 2015 03:53 prplhz wrote: it's saturday night where is everybody if not at their computers playing mafia yeah like who tf does stuff besides mafia on valentine's night right?? | ||
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On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote: This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before. And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here. But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others? OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why: (1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test. (2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger. | ||
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On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote: Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone? 1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe? 2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?) 3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange." What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first? It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet. (1) Do you have an issue with this point? (2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise. (3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead? | ||
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On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote: I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that? And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP 2 posts about HTS isn't really post after post (beyond the literal interpretation), is it? I'm just posting what I see as I see it. I'm not really caught up yet, didn't see the thing you're talking about with HTS. That sounds pretty bad though. | ||
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On February 15 2015 05:39 IAmRobik wrote: I'm supposed to be getting town vibes from Eden because of a lack of trolling but his "real" posts just seem forced False, you should be nullreading me for everything thus far | ||
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English is your best bet, translating to other languages would lose things in the process. | ||
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I think HtS is likely town because I don't think she's a gutsy enough mafia player yet to fakeclaim miller. I got good vibes from rsoultin's first posting and she passed the writing style test, so she can probably be town too. I need to reread to see if her early posting was actually legit. (Don't hold me to this, I probably won't actually do it anyway.) | ||
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So there's 4 townies accounted for already. This means that BH's RNG lynch is actually up to 5/13 chance of hitting mafia. I dunno about y'all, but 38.5% accuracy on d1 sounds pretty good to me. ##VOTE: VayneAuthority | ||
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On February 15 2015 07:11 ritoky wrote: how is no one else bothered by rsoultin's excessive use of smiley faces and copious quantities of unnecessary adjectives? Believe it or not, that's one reason I think she's town. Go pick a random page of her Horn of Africa filter lmao | ||
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ritoky is having more fun this game than Imperial (town tell) and I forget who said it but I'm parroting the tier-above thing because it's right. Man, every town read I get takes me one step closer to accepting Our Lord and Savior, RNGesus Christ | ||
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On February 15 2015 08:19 Superbia wrote: Puppy how comfortable are you calling me town? Were you in the Imperial Game? Or whichever one you referred to. no You can be town though | ||
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On February 15 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote: Then why are you using that game for reference? | ||
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On February 15 2015 09:25 liancourt wrote: Yes. We don't lose naything by lynching VA. Same goes for the 3 ppl that will die n1 hahhaha interessant | ||
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His first post has him scumreading Vayne, but with no clear reason for it. He brings up a joke and what he felt was a 'forced' comment, but he doesn't explain how the joke was suspicious and he doesn't even post the comment for me to see what he means, let alone explain how the comment is suspicious. He begins to make a case by commenting on Vayne's activity, but instead of the correct read that Vayne going inactive is null, he finds a reason to think it's alignment-indicative (specifically, mafia-indicative) because it 'feels' like something that happened in a previous game. He also has lian as top town, for something that... I guess could make him town? But doesn't really make sense, because unless you think HTS is fakeclaiming miller (a matter on which Kelsier gives no opinion), you have to think she's town, which would make her top town given her activity level besides. In his second post of note he says that HTS shouldn't be townreading him. So? If HTS is town (hint: unless you argue conclusively that she fakeclaimed miller, she is), who cares if her townread on you isn't for the best reasons? If you're town you should be glad she got there quickly and let it sit. It's just a strange objection that reads to me like he wanted to look like he was townie (for arguing someone townreading him). I say it looks like that because he doesn't followup with anything to dig into HTS to learn her alignment - important, because his post clearly is going in the direction of "HTS is mafia," but stops shy of it. I remember him being a lot more frequent of a poster, and I know Valentine's Day could be messing with that, but his posts seem a lot stiffer and difficult than as in Imperial. He was a lot more freewheeling with his posts, I think. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: KelsierSC | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote: Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC? Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC. My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game. | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote: I'm the natural choice. I've made a solid case and gathered support for it. Nobody else has a read or a case with my level of conviction. Yeah, but I made up for it with a case that is qualitatively better than "random vote that I push like it isn't one." | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: how many votes you got boyo nope One so far, but my votes:time ratio is better than yours. | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:59 prplhz wrote: @Puppy [excited tail thumping on floor] | ||
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On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote: Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter. I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why. And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE. Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that. | ||
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On February 15 2015 11:04 liancourt wrote: Nah he can just die Vote for him then | ||
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On February 15 2015 11:26 ritoky wrote: The vast majority of it is "I don't agree with his reads" and predicated on HtS being lock clear town for you. That's great, HtS isn't lock clear town and disagreeing with reads doesn't qualify a case as "great". So yes it is weak. How is HTS not lock clear town? She claimed miller. There is no cc. No one has posted anything to substantiate that she might be fakeclaiming. And it's more than "I disagree with his reads." He called lian top town for nothing substantial, called Vayne mafia for nothing substantial. Go read his post and explain to me why he thinks Vayne is mafia. If you can do it, great, I read his post and I couldn't. Maybe you can make it make sense. In the meantime, his reason for thinking Vayne is mafia doesn't make sense, he's not half as active in the thread as he is when he's town, and that's a pretty good reason to kill him. | ||
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On February 15 2015 11:24 rsoultin wrote: RNGesus? I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day. What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia? The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case. And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet? The case is just inconclusive. Not praise. It is suspicious that KSC concluded VA decided to roll over as scum and deny information because: (1) Vayne hasn't rolled over (2) Vayne being lynched is far from a certainty (3) Vayne hasn't actually done anything alignment-indicative, and Kelsier's description of his activity is a description of a null player, but then Kelsier decides Vayne is mafia anyway The lian read being weird was part of my case, thanks for adding to it by taking another angle on it. I really don't see how my case is inconclusive. | ||
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On February 15 2015 11:56 rsoultin wrote: You don't see anything wrong with HTS claiming miller and saying she's doing it because of marv last game, when you explicitly know the circumstances of that claim since you instigated it, and there is absolutely no parallel between that and this game? Lol, my BS meter, Eden xP No, not particularly. I don't think HTS is gutsy enough to fakeclaim out of the gate as miller. Simple as that. If there's a cc then we can talk, but right now we have an un-cc'd miller from a player who isn't known for making high-risk decisions. I don't care if she got inspiration for it from another game. She saw how much hot water marv would have been in had he been mafia and fakeclaiming, and could easily see how much hot water one of the mafia could have been in had they fakeclaimed and gotten cc'd by marv. I'm getting worried about you, bud. I don't get the sense you're really engaging my arguments. You're saying stuff that almost gets to the point of a response to my points, stuff that on the surface looks like a counterargument, but when I unpack it you aren't really rebutting my core premise. None of what you said in the post I'm quoting does anything to falsify my premise. | ||
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On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote: can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all She claimed miller right off the bat. I think it makes her pretty clearly town due to this chain of logic: (1) Hosts don't typically run multiple millers in a game. Therefore, claiming miller is in effect claiming something like named VT. (2) If there is a miller in the game, and HTS is not the miller, then HTS will almost certainly be lynched as mafia (possibly d1, if not then d2). (3) Thus, HTS's only hope in fakeclaiming miller is that there isn't a miller in the game to cc her, because if there is she basically just gave herself up. (4) HTS is traditionally not a high-risk player (in my estimation), which makes her an unlikely candidate to have attempted such a high-risk strategy as mafia. (5) Thus, it is likely that HTS's claim is genuine. (6) HTS is town. I think the only thing in that chain that can plausibly be falsified is (4) - maybe she's a higher-risk player than I'm aware. No one has attempted to do so, though. 1-3 is ironclad and 5-6 follow from 1-3 + 4, so unless someone can demonstrate that HTS is reasonably likely to have attempted a high-risk play like this, there's really no reason not to take her claim at face value and go from there. What's bothering me most is that there are multiple people in the thread - rso and LS are the ones who come to mind, but they aren't alone - who more or less accept this reasoning (because they just played another game where this scenario occurred), and who aren't contesting (4), but still are finding reasons not to townread HTS. (There's other people, like rayn, who scumread her as well, but I'm less inclined to be worried about that because his reasoning had nothing to do with this logic at all, and I'm reasonably certain he hasn't seen this argument before. rso and LS have.) | ||
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On February 15 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote: I find it null, and I don't like most of the rest of her play, Eden. 1. I've seen hosts run more than one miller, and this is a 17p game. Debunked. 2. Debunked because of 1. Also, there being the potential of more than one miller makes the play less risky. 3. Debunked because of 1 and 2. 4. Debunked because of 2 (I'm not sure if she takes risks much as scum, having only seen her scum game once.) 5. Not a point if the first 4 aren't valid. 6. See 5. You are not seeing the difference between a 17 player game were HtS claimed miller instantly and there could legitimately be more than one miller in the game, vice a 13 player game where marv was townread for CCing a miller claim which genuinely did run a high chance of seeing him lynched if he was scum fake-claiming. That neither you nor HtS understand this is frankly mind-boggling to me >< and why I think you're full of it. "I've seen it before" doesn't debunk "Hosts typically don't do this." I didn't say hosts never do this. I did say that hosts tend not to do this. Multiple millers in a game is pretty significant cop hate. There's no compelling reason why they can't do this, I just know in my experience that they don't. It just doesn't happen. And where did you see this happen, anyway? I'm not familiar with any games recently that did this, and you didn't raise an example of it when it came up in Horn of Africa (although I guess it didn't matter, given the different context). I also don't think the size of the game makes a big difference, 2+ millers is just awkward and atypical in most games. The part about cc'ing a claim is a pretty good one, maybe I should have been more serious about attempting to cc in the first place. Oops. The boldface part bothers me. If you explained this before, why not just quote it to me so I see it, since I obviously missed it before? If you didn't, why did I have to drag this explanation out of you? In either case, why are you reading so uncharitably into my argument when no one before you had explicitly argued this point with me? I admit though, the point about not cc'ing is a pretty good one, and after I saw the un-cc'd miller play I stopped reading her posts carefully enough to see if I felt her questions were what I expect from her town game. So if she's not auto-town due to miller claim I'm not really sure what she is. Sigh. Can we kill Kelsier now? | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote: I'm reading it "uncharitably" because it is the premise you're using to argue that KSC is scum, and because HtS' excuse for claiming miller (marv did it so it must be the ideal play) is inherently false if you were in the game, and you were xP There were multiple millers in Carol, which was a little bigger than this, but not by much. Giving someone a hard townread for a miller claim just does not make sense. Even marv's claim, which was objectively way more townie, you questioned, so yeah, of course it seems like BS to me when you're accepting hers on faith -_- The VA thing with KSC just doesn't read as alignment-indicative to me. I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes. No, it's not the premise. It's one premise of three (the other two being his pretty sketchy read on Vayne and his relative absence / lack of involvement in the discussion relative to previous games I've seen him play as town). "inherently false"? Yes, I am being less paranoid about role claims after Horn of Africa, for the obvious reason that marv was clearly town and I spent a shitload of time tilting at windmills that game because I didn't accept pretty clear logic for him being innocent. And uhh... I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes. (1) Blazinghand - rsoultin Huh? If you're saying my case is so bad that I'm as likely to be right as the guy you're scumreading picking a random player, I don't see THAT at all. Are you going to explain how someone describing behavior that's not alignment-indicative as "scummy" (and apparently the most suspicious thing in the game, given the vote) "just doesn't read as alignment-indicative" to you? And do you even think BH is mafia? | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:18 Half the Sky wrote: I need to look more fully into your case, but off the cuff, I am inclined to take his inactivity in of itself as NAI. He announced his engagement to his GF of 4 years in the Void game, so I'm willing to bet that V-Day took a huge chunk of his time away from playing. did not know this, that actually does change my perspective quite a bit | ||
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Did I see that someone claimed a role? If so who. | ||
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Lol game is easy Will the real Lord Percy please stand up? Oh wait I already am ##VOTE: Blazinghand Get fucked sson | ||
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RNGESUS THA FRAUD | ||
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Count on it amigo RIP Blazinghand | ||
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Since JK is in the game due to RNG Are we RNG lynching Blazinghand??? | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote: If BH flips Jail Keeper you're going to the pound Nah then I'll just jail someone and hope they're a PR so they get rb'd. Then we lynch UoN for putting multiple jailers with the same name in the game. But there's no way this happens bc he's mafia | ||
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BLAZINGHAND IS THE MOST FRAUDULENT FRAUD THAT EVER DEFRAUDED WE ARE LYNCHING HIS FRAUDULENT FAKECLAIMING FRAUDNESS ASAP YOU'RE WELCOME SIGNED TOWN PUPPY AKA EDEN AKA GOAT ANTI-FRAUD ACTIVIST, ESQUIRE | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:44 KelsierSC wrote: Puppy what do you think about VA right now? Idk haven't caught up on shit LOL The important thing that comes to mind is that BH choosing VA says nothing about VA's alignment. The selection process he uses is 100% open and outside of his control. So don't think that BH being mafia and trying to RNG lynch VA means anything. On its own it doesn't. Look to see if he pushed it hard or not and for whether VA is scummy independent of BH. That will give you your answer | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote: he sort of did with his, "let's consolidate, there is no one better, lets lynch VA!" I don't know man I was just wondering what you thought about VA independently of BH claiming but I guess you can't look back without being booty blinded I promise to catch up and give EoN reads which will include a read on him. It's just been a busy weekend here, I almost missed the chance to cc BH at all - got lucky enough to catch a break and happened to notice a claim | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:45 Town Puppy wrote: ATTENTION EVERYONE BLAZINGHAND IS THE MOST FRAUDULENT FRAUD THAT EVER DEFRAUDED WE ARE LYNCHING HIS FRAUDULENT FAKECLAIMING FRAUDNESS ASAP YOU'RE WELCOME SIGNED TOWN PUPPY AKA EDEN AKA GOAT ANTI-FRAUD ACTIVIST, ESQUIRE | ||
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I am town, I've been at work and unable to participate much. True that I don't like scum much but I would NEVER cc here. There is NO point when my team could just nk BH at night. I'm not suicidal and I'm not idiotic. I'm the real JK. If somehow BH is also JK I have no clue what is going on but I just can't believe that there are two Lord Percys. Makes 0 sense. | ||
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On February 16 2015 08:03 IAmRobik wrote: You are scum. You don't like being scum. You see someone claim (basically) medic. You come in, claim medic. Get him lynched, trade yourself 1 for 1 and then mafia can kill whoever the fuck they want moving forward. It's not a grade trade, but it's not terrible. Especially considering the fact that there are way too many mafia/sk already and town basically has no chance of winning Robik you dumbass why would I cc as scum if I could n1 him and get a d1 ml? Come on | ||
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On February 16 2015 08:14 liancourt wrote: well if tp isn't scum vig can always shoot bh n1. ##unvote ##vote Town puppy Wtf is this? Same thing applies to BH. And there is no way I cc here as scum. What are you doing??? | ||
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On February 16 2015 08:24 liancourt wrote: the way i see it both of them are going to die n1, but it'd be nice if vig didn't have to waste his bullet on obvious scum and we can lynch scum as town. You are fucking kidding me. You cannot be this bad | ||
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I WOULD NEVER CC BH AS MAFIA HERE THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE LYNCH BH YOU IDIOTS | ||
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If you can't you have to accept I'm town. Period | ||
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On February 16 2015 08:35 liancourt wrote: If i were jk I would have waited until d2 to CC. Someone on n1 would know that they have been JKed "Every night you can visit someone and save them from any and all killing actions for that night. The target will not be able to perform any actions for that night. Target will know they have been roleblocked. " OFC RB can also do this as well "Once per night you can silence a player by being so unintelligible that they forget what they were doing. Players will know if they have been roleblocked. You can also borrow the Janitor's Garlic if you so intend (see below)." 2 players will be roleblocked. JK can claim who he rbed. The other person will claim who the RB rbed. The one who was rbed by the RB will most likely be town unless the rb one of their teammates. Why CC now really....TP is scum guys I cc'd to lunch scum d1 dumbass | ||
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Why would I EVER cc a JK as mafia when I can shoot him n1? It is a strictly inferior play. You have to believe I'm a complete idiot of a mafia player to think I do that. It is fucking stupid. Jailer is the only protective role possible and you can't jail yourself. Every mafia ever would shoot BH and let a townie get ml'd. I was on no one's radar the while time. Not a threat to be lynched at all. I would not piss that away to maybe ML someone who I could definitely n1 anyway. Get. The. Fuck. Off. My. Wagon. | ||
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And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux. | ||
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On February 16 2015 10:55 IAmRobik wrote: hey eden. 1) what if you're both town? 2) what are your reads other than BH is lying? UoN is the bastardest mod that ever modded 2) rso probs mafia. Lian idk, he's scummy but he's also bad at this game. You might be mafia, you're too background. Vayme town. Hts town | ||
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On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote: I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now >< Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol. Trading 1 for 1 is a win for town. I gave it time unintentionally due to work. Think of it as like having a cop check guilty except even more reliable bc miller and framer can't mess with it | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:04 liancourt wrote: tp's the goon so it'd be pointless jking him. Why would the RB/jan/GF CC, that is absurd Do you actually believe what you're saying? I'm contemplating posting my role PM and blacklisting you forever. You are intolerably bad. | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:13 Blazinghand wrote: I've been paying attention to TP's play. To an extent, I've been trying ot understand his claim. Why would he do that? It makes almost as little sense as me claiming JK as scum would. For me to claim and get put on the block like this as scum would be an error since I'm a skilled player and probably MVP of any scumteam I'm on. TP isn't as good so it might be more worth it, especially in a trade for me, but... why not just shoot me, as he said? No, the more I think about it, the more I realize that TP would have to be even more not-on-my-level to claim as he did. But then I realized: TP is so obviously below my level, there's no way he's scum. His scum-team-mates wouldn't let him do this, and he wouldn't even try. A 1-for-1 would only count in a situation that's not where he would get lynched first (and that's where things are going; I'm a much better arguer than him). He and his scummates would KNOW that he's not on my level. They wouldn't try this. The only explanation that makes sense is that... we must have 2 JKs. It's stupid and our hosts are awful for doing this, but even TP and his scummates must be aware how weak TP is comapred to me in terms of knowledge, skill, and convincing power. As a sacrificial lamb he's not cut out for this strat. We're both town. We're both JKs. By admitting this, I am basically conceding that I'm going to get lynched, since I won't push him further and will unvote him. I won't succeed in convincing the 2 JK setup, because the only explanaiton for doulble JK is that the HOSTS aren't on my level. They don't know how to balance. By stopping pushing TP, I am probably letting myself die. But when I die and flip JK, don't lynch TP. He's also a JK. When I flip, don't lynch him. Liancourt knows we're both town. How? Well, he must be scum, and trying to profit after the 2nd one of us flips JK. Liancourt is the scum. He knows too much. His knowledge doesn't make sense. After I die, DO NOT lynch TP. lynch Liancourt. TP is a JK. Sigh. ##unvote ##vote Liancourt Palmar, where are you? L o l Get lynched mafia | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:18 liancourt wrote: I like to play devil's advocate. When everyone says yes, there has to be that 1 person that says no and analyze everything in favor of it being no. It's a coin flip really. Total wifom. I can uderstand tp claiming and yet i don't understand why he would put himself to his death. 1 for 1 is good for town? Why not survive and use your superior analysis and help town in later days and lynch scum. You know BH is scum them you can see who he is defending and see who he is pushing and who he is out right ignoring. When you die later town will automatically know BH is scum so why CC? You could have been more useful being alive and having that JK power and your power of analysis, why would you give all that up and just die n1? i really just don't understand. That... Actually makes sense in a way. Ok. I apologize for being mean to you. There's something else at play, true. It's Mardi Gras week. That means everyone is off of school all week. That means UTTER HELL for the restaurant I work at. I'm working something like 50 hrs this week. I'm already a lot of pages back. I doubt my capacity to catch up and be useful. I see a chance to trade 1-for-1 with mafia and maybe contribute during the night, and given my time available, that's pretty good. And before anyone says it: yes, this means that ceteris paribus I would be somewhat more likely to trade 1-for-1 as mafia. However, it doesn't affect the decision calculus enough to make that worthwhile when BH could still be guaranteed shot tonight. | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:22 Blazinghand wrote: TP, you'll thank me after I flip for my foresight-- whether gleefully as scum or sadly as town. You're not even close to on my level, either because you're so bad you CCed as scum when it made no sense, or you can't see the truth of this matter. Oh believe me. Call me Marshawn Lynch Im so thankful. Thankful you had the foresight to breadcrumb my role but not the foresight to breadcrumb a role that wasn't in the game. Thanks to your breadcrumb I got to lynch scum d1. I am SO THANKFUL! | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:31 Blazinghand wrote: We won't, so it's not a valid question. Anyone who pushes a lynch on Eden is the same as pushing a lynch on me. We're both JKs. You think there are two people named Lord Percy Percy in this game...? Pretty sure that's bastard mod tier | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:34 IAmRobik wrote: Eden sounds so fucking scummy. Every single one of his posts sounds so fucking fake. And his "oh what happened someone claimed? oh, omg bh claimed my role" puke. Also his participation this game has been whack as well. He should be mad that people are doubting him, but he doesn't seem that mad. He's still joking constantly and making sarcastic posts. I really think that he rolled mafia and wants out of the game. I'm sure that IRL circumstances are playing a part in this decision and I really think that he's scum. madofinadsoifnosdinfosidn Lol you're next. You're in the background as always when you're mafia | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:35 Blazinghand wrote: Not relevant. I'm getting lynched regardless. Ask me questions about reads and cases. For the record though, the name for my role is Lord Percy Percy. Sigh I was vaguely hoping you misread. Oh well. I think rso and Robik are mafia. Lian is probably town. Idk why people think he's mafia. | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:37 IAmRobik wrote: I'm very much not in the background. I'm the one driving discussion right now bitch. And the more you call me mafia the more I'm gonna omgus you and get people to swap to you because I'm so fucking painfully town. Lmao this is so fraudulent You are so mafia | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:39 Blazinghand wrote: Tell me about your Liancourt townread. I'll tell you about my scumread. Liancourt has flipflopped on us, see? Now you know YOU are the JK, so you think he's just unsure. But imagine I'm ALSO the JK, see? Now Liancourt looks REALLY good after I die, then with my dying breath ask for YOUR death. He was the one who said "neither of them make sense as fakeclaimers" and he comes out looking town. But how would someone guess that unless they KNEW we were both town? Does that make sense? It's meta. lian dies things that make me think he's mafia and generally you catch him based off of how much conviction he seems to have. Idk how to say it convincingly on mobile with so little time to type lol. I get where you're coming from, I just don't think it makes him mafia per se, and I think he sounded like his town self Lets talk Robik. His tone flipped 180 degrees from agreeable and searching to hostile and vengeful the instant I called him mafia. This is absolutely what Robik does as mafia - he coasts in the background (which he has) and then he gets unreasonably pissy when called out. What's your read on him? | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:44 IAmRobik wrote: ##vote: town puppy how's this for fraudulent You better get me nk'd. I'm not getting lynched and if I make it to d2, you are so done for. | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:50 IAmRobik wrote: You do realize I have one of the longest filters in the game? And I haven't fillered at all. So like, feel free to justify your bullshit claim You can be a background player and still have a relatively high filter. When you're town you are usually a major wagon driver. You're proactive and you take control of the direction of the game, or at least make sure it feels your influence. From what I've read this game and when I have been in the thread you've been conspicuously absent. I even asked if you had a valentine cause you were so absent, lol | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:53 IAmRobik wrote: You know how I know you're mafia? I don't remember any of your reads and thus I don't agree with any of them. You know what happens when you're town? You're so fucking obvious to me. You're not obvious town this game. Your tone is off and you're not pushing your reads. You're the one who has coasted and you've done jack shit since you claimed besides call BH obvious mafia for claiming your role and call me mafia. I've been analyzing everything and have made all of my thoughts super fucking clear. It's possible I'm wrong, but I don't think that's the case. Yeah it's called not being able to play the game. I pretty readily acknowledged that I've not been as involved as I'd like. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. When I've been around you haven't. You aren't pushing like you would as town. You would have had an opinion on me/BH far before when you did and you would have been arguing it much more forcefully. You were pretty clearly not taking a position for a while and waffling trying to see where the chips fell first. That's not your town game. | ||
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I'll look tonight after lynching BH. If I think I'm wrong I'll acknowledge it. If I don't we'll talk it out. Either way I'm lynching BH. You know I'm really JK. You gonna give me that much time to decide on you and the rest? | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:03 LightningStrike wrote: Ya Robik is town because how mad he is :O Town I was actually thinking this. And yeah I know I just said its scummy that he changed so quick, but if he's town then he sincerely believes I am dead wrong and of course he's mad. I mean he could still be mafia but I need to look at his filter and I can't rn. | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:10 Superbia wrote: I skimmed the thread to find out what has happened. I'm still catching up with actual reading. I had a scum-lean on puppy before, so that will have to suffice as an answer for the moment. Why are you asking this question? BH claimed jailer, I cc'd him | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:14 ritoky wrote: but ##vote: town puppy my only two town reads think so, and I think he is more likely scum of the 2 So you think I would CC BH when I'm under no suspicion to 1-for-1 him AT BEST (which is a losing trade for scum!) when I could nk him for free tonight. Add this guy to the donkey-or-scum list | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote: TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town. I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy. If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now? Because (1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it. (2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role? | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:18 IAmRobik wrote: Eden & BH, before this situation, who were each of you considering jailing n1? I would rather not discuss this because I want to keep the shell game alive if I can. All I'll say is... Robik, remember Melee Mini? When we played and Palmarv got n1'd with a JK in the game? Think about that JK's reasoning that game and you'll have your answer. | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:31 Breshke wrote: This is all setup stuff. What do you think about BH's alignment outside of his claim? I don't care. I haven't read enough to have an opinion on him outside of it. Why the fuck would I? If I caught him with setup + a fakeclaim why waste my limited time on anything else about him? | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic. That's all I can say. ...um. Someone help. I'm out if my element with flavor and this sounds big | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:45 Blazinghand wrote: You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED. My claim never made sense from mafia. if you HADN'T figured it out that would've been a travesty. ##UNVOTE | ||
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I would be ok with liancourt maybe. But I really think rsoultin is mafia. Notice how as soon as I called her mafia and pointed out that she wasn't being as detail-oriented about my claim as she had been earlier, she immediately decides I'm town, gives a really vague handwavey answer as to why, votes BH and then afk's. rso as town is far more intellectually curious than to peace out like that, she's far more uncertain than to just flip on a dime, and like I said, she's more detail-oriented than she was in evaluating my claim. I think rso is the best pick. ##VOTE: rsoultin I will consolidate with BH and friends to avoid either of us being lynched though. | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:50 Blazinghand wrote: My claim didn't make sense either, but you weren't smart enough. You're an infant, mentally, compared to me. Don't worry, I'll lead you out of the darkness, child. You were under pressure and folded way too fast son. It seemed pretty legit. Although I will admit the breadcrumb was a mindfuck for me while I was working under the assumption you were scum | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote: TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts? Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two. | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote: This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught. I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger. I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions: (1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me. (2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched. I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected. No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso. | ||
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I'll hop on that liancourt train to save BH but I would really rather rso. My argument is really good. | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:13 Blazinghand wrote: Updated Vote Count BH (6) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz liancourt (6) - Blazinghand, iamrobik, lightningstrike, FecalFeast, Ritoky, Breshke Town Puppy (1) -, Alakasla raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar lightningstrike (1): superbia rsoultin (1) - Town puppy Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet I'm fairly sure this is correct but not 100%. Also I'm pretty sure Im still getting lynche >:{ roughly speaking. Half the Sky, VA, liancourt, rsoultin, KSC, prplhz, Slam, are all currently voting for claimed blues who are as close to modconfirmed as we can get [/QUOTE] I'm coming in on your side if it comes down to it. | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:16 Blazinghand wrote: I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town. Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right? If she felt like thread sentiment were moving away from me being mafia, and she felt like I might be onto her, then yes, she would have reason to switch. She can just as easily say "oh man, I shouldn't have doubted myself on Eden" - in fact I think this might be more convincing, because then when I also flip town, her confusion looks entirely justified (whereas her attempt to look certain I would flip mafia to get towncred would blow up once I flipped town). | ||
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I'm in this awkward place where I want to fight for this lynch but I don't want to accidentally get BH killed. Can everyone just sheep me instead pls? | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:26 rsoultin wrote: Lol, Eden, you're tunneling the shit out of me cause I haven't been in your corner this game xP You didn't figure me out as scum last game at all, so why would I be so scared of you to go out of my way to bury you this one if I rolled mafia again? ##unvote ##vote: lian Is there anything more to this lian vote than the idea that he knew too much? ##unvote ##vote: lian Is there anything more to this lian vote than the idea that he knew too much? ##vote: lian Is there anything more to this lian vote wtf is this. | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:30 Blazinghand wrote: In this situation, what we do is have a little rolecall of people willing to swap. Here we go: Anyone willing to lynch Rsoultin over Liancourt if we have enough to make it stick, please type @@willing: Rsoultin This way, we know how many are willing before we take a risk and move over. Great idea. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: liancourt @@willing: rsoultin | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:32 Superbia wrote: 30s meta-god-read. RSO is town. LKSHFDTKLJHSJK fuck it let's just kill lian | ||
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##VOTE: rsoultin | ||
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I'm telling y'all do this now | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:50 liancourt wrote: because he is scum his reasons on me are bad and looked desperate as fuck what more do you need. He managed to switch thread sentiment around and get a wagon on me which wasnt possible on TP open ur eyes it's not happening today BH is a pr switch switch switch gogogo all-in for rso | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:56 Superbia wrote: So if lian is scum, RSO is town. Agreed? fuck no why would that be so | ||
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On February 16 2015 13:56 IAmRobik wrote: STAY THE COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ur a donkey move to rso + Show Spoiler + | ||
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##VOTE: liancourt | ||
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I knew he was town. We should have lynched rso. | ||
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On February 16 2015 14:06 liancourt wrote: I'll see you 3 gentlemen in obs tar tar gl hf this guy should probably get a warning for gamethrowing / not playing to wincon tbh | ||
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On February 16 2015 14:17 Blazinghand wrote: He thought he was correct. One thing you realize when you get to my level is that people play poorly all the time. To see through the lies and realise the truth (like that we were both JKs) takes extraordinary insight. I'm pretty amazing, is what I'm saying. Being wrong is not against the rules. Being mistaken is not against the rules. Being stubborn and lying as town because you think you're right is not against the rules. I'm 100% willing to lie as town if I think the ends justify the means. say what you want about liancourt, he was willing to go to great lengths for his convictions, and I respect that. no i mean breadcrumbing cop as miller he basically lynched himself imo, i feel like i could have swung it | ||
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On February 16 2015 14:15 Superbia wrote: Also breshke looks pretty fucking bad now. Look at his filter and timestamps. Perspective of mafia: Town claiming PR (cop) and getting lynched. Also RSO looks exceptionally bad. Literally does nothing when cop outs. LITERALLY NOTHING. Do we have town KP? if we had blackadder | ||
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I mean, are you? I don't think it's an unfair sentiment from Superbia at all. I only really have your approach to me to go off of since I haven't been reading, but he's pretty right on imo. You don't really seem that interested in finding mafia. It still sticks in my craw that you were so invested in the argument with me about HTS claiming miller, making insightful observations about the parallels to Horn of Africa, and then it seems like that same investment isn't displayed toward the process of actually determining who's town and who's mafia. | ||
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On February 17 2015 01:30 KelsierSC wrote: alright i'm back, LS looking through your list of questions seems kind of disjointed to me. I'm not sure why you would ask someone an opinion about someone you read as town. Like you ask people about rsoultin, and then you townread rsoultin so you asked her about eden, but you were townreading him already, then you like palmars case but then you ask rsoultin about palmar. At the end you don't really seem to have developed anything useful and you just like ask your town reads about other town reads. You also don't develop a single strong scum read it seems to me and just kind of sheep along the town vote. I think your mafia. I understand why you concluded this, but LS is town. If you sheep any 1 read of mine this whole game sheep this. LS is extensively applying meta arguments based only on the games he's played. It's his whole deal. | ||
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Robik Kelsier Blazinghand Superbia LightningStrike Mafia: rsoultin ritoky More or less where I am. I'm pretty confident in all of my townreads. Suspects I'm a little hazier on. I feel like ritoky is just capable of better - his posts that I've read just aren't very impressive. His tone reminds me of Imperial and I again just feel like I should have gotten deeper work from him. And I fully acknowledge rsoultin has several townie posts, but she proved herself capable of as much in Horn of Africa. I still don't like her sequence of behavior I pointed out when I first named her as a suspect. Notable nulls: Palmar, ray, HtS. I just haven't read enough of any of their posts. I still feel like HtS wouldn't fakeclaim miller, and I think 2 Jk, 2 mill, 1 cop is probably legit. So I guess she's town but this is predicated on a yolo read so yeah. I liked what Palmar said when he posted and I didn't like ray's tone when he posted. But it's weak. Eh. I'll do vca at eod | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:10 ritoky wrote: naw I can tunnel pretty hard as either alignment, I just don't get people's jokes and can't make jokes as mafia cuz I am too angry. plus I have an enormous town tell anyone who doesn't have me as town is either mafia or hasn't played with me as both alignments. I haven't played w/you as town in 9 months, and I was mafia anyway. Help a brother out | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:32 ritoky wrote: It has to do with when people call me mafia. You're mafia | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:55 IAmRobik wrote: When did you start TRing me Eden? EOD. I'm not at liberty to discuss why | ||
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On February 17 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote: I been townreading you for since I started to see you would do shit on the weekend when normally you CBA to do shit on the weekend :O Whoa. That's a good point! I like it! You're both town | ||
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On February 17 2015 07:13 IAmRobik wrote: LYNCH LS TOMORROW. DO NOT FUCKIGN QUESTION IT. JUST DO IT. I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING MISSION AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON DOES NOT SURVIVE TIL TOMORROW. I MAY OR MAY NOT EXPLAIN WHY IN POSTGAME, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THIS READ IS ACCURATE. PALMAR -- IT'S KINDA LIKE THE READ I GAVE ON YOU IN HEAVYWEIGHT. PLEASE JUST FAITH. Wtf | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:41 Palmar wrote: I really need to sleep now. I liked the part where rayn said people should protect me. I'm actually enjoying this game for some reason. So pls no shooterino. consider it done | ||
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Asking bc I wanted to do my reads in bang marry kill format (shouts to Heavyweight) but I don't want to make anybody jealous | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:28 IAmRobik wrote: I can't divulge the real reason, but it has to do with him thinking that someone is an asshole whatd i do why does everybody think im an asshole | ||
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