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On January 29 2015 06:31 TheWarWaffle wrote: More roles, more fun. /in! <3 Welcome to the fray. | ||
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On January 29 2015 11:55 Breshke wrote: Can you just admit this hiatus is never going to happen /in 100% This game is too addictive | ||
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On January 30 2015 05:42 prplhz wrote: why are perfectly balanced games more fun to play than games that are not perfectly balanced? This is my first ever themed game here. Should I be worried? | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:38 kitaman27 wrote: I'll probably join closer to the start date. Mind sending me a PM if I forget? This game needs a Kita in it bad <3 | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:01 Fecalfeast wrote: CAN I ROLL SOMETHING ELSE FOR ONCE? This is quite interesting. We either have a scum player not happy at his alignment or a townie that is just bored of being town... | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:06 geript wrote: Opening is pretty similar to her mafia game where I coached her. I also find it a bit interesting that she's not really around. IIRC (althought maybe it was rsoultin), I wanted to kill her in another game she was mafia in. You might want to take a look at some of my other town games then. Since Void (the last game you're referring to where I rolled scum), I've wanted to be town to keep working on my town game, and am quite delighted now when I roll town. Hammertime is a very good example of this. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Well, are you going to make a conclusion on that or just ping me for no reason? That was the first impression I got just reading that. Impulse. Thinking through it harder I'm inclined to say you're town, because if I recall right, you don't seem to be someone who is too enthusiastic or posts a whole lot when he's town. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game Oh goodness, I'm sure you don't want another dose of "kill Toad" after that Hammertime game lol. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:31 Toadesstern wrote: wait, was Palmar your mom? I think that was him... Maybe JAT? I dunno. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:33 geript wrote: Anyone who shoots anyone other than Onegu or HtS are probably mafia. Rayn might be mafia too. That just might be reading him out of spite. But his counter salt is oddly placed because it's different that conversations we had in pms. Like he wasn't salty there at all. You haven't played with me since Void, so I understand why you have a scum read on me, I'm assuming based on tone. But Onegu - why? I modded Horn, and I don't remember his posts being all that bouncy in that game. More random than anything. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba is mafia. For those of us that don't know him, explain what is jumping out at you? | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:08 Alakaslam wrote: Shit shit shit I was trying to get reads. Rsoultin you scum? Why are you totally unconcerned who I shoot? Trying to make Rasputin look bad? She focused her question on Onegu. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:12 rsoultin wrote: Don't you dare. He's town. And when I'm town I'm the towniest town who ever towned (except to geript). No need your protection, lady, specially when it's probably a scummer offering it xP That question could have had anyone's name in it. Point being I interpreted that as him taking that sentence out of context. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:15 Damdred wrote: Why? Slam is pretty obvious town at this point? To answer you Damdred, from the previous page: On March 03 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote: Trying to make Rasputin look bad? She focused her question on Onegu. On March 03 2015 09:15 Half the Sky wrote: That question could have had anyone's name in it. Point being I interpreted that as him taking that sentence out of context. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:21 Damdred wrote: How was it making RS look bad? I'm not exactly following what you mean? I find it odd, if not scummy how Slam gets from "I don't care if you shoot Onegu" to "not being concerned who I shoot" as if he's making her look worse than what she's trying to convey. I could understand for example if he disagrees with an Onegu scumread but that's not how it read. It's one post, and generally Slam posts don't jump out at me like that. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:30 rsoultin wrote: Basically a town slam helps town and a scum slam does not. Plus town slams are way more interesting and fun to play with than scum slams. Yes I am tone/meta-reading him lol so take it as it is. I'll be completely honest, I can't meta-read him for crap so I've just been taking him at face value which is why I scum-read him when something seemed off. Last post was quite helpful though, so I'm not inclined to shoot him. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:35 sicklucker wrote: FF town. He literally rolls vt everygame and he furious Thank goodness I was not the only one feeling this way. I made the same read earlier and quite a few people want to shoot me for it. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:43 Toadesstern wrote: ##Shoot: Half the Sky agreed with (I think rayns?) idea that her early post was odd. She continues to make a lot of really, really crappy posts like: All in all, nothing like the shining beacon of towniness she was in last game. Leaning pretty heavy mafia right now, not only on lack of towniness but on actually being scummy the way she posts. ' ... Might want to consider that was a conclusion from the previous post I was making. On March 03 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote: Thank goodness I was not the only one feeling this way. I made the same read earlier and quite a few people want to shoot me for it. On March 03 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote: Which means SL is probably town as well. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:43 Breshke wrote: I also think tube is town not just for being the first to suggest the vote system but for actually compiling the votes and promising to do so again in the future. Feels like too much work for mafia. I was actually going to disagree with this read Breshke because earlier he commented that he didn't have any reads in the first 20-odd minutes and now we're almost 2h into the game. He's doing something like that, you'd think maybe he'd have at least one read somewhere in there or some sort of observation on someone in the game. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote: Hts whats it like to get tunnel everygame day1. Only I can feel your pain Well here's the thing, I'm trying to sort out who's doing it for BS reasons, versus who would appear to be misguided. This isn't the first time I'm getting scumread by a load of people in the game when I'm town. The truth of the matter is, not everyone here knows how to read me, and I don't play entirely the same way each time I'm town, especially in a large game. | ||
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Some people I'm able to read/conclude easier than others. Geript, I'm leaning town on, because he used a scum game where he coached me to interpret my opening, where I countered I had a similar approach in another more recent town game. I'm not sure atm if he's looking at my post-Void games, but he's using some reasonable logic, as our last game together was Void. Toad is also going to misread me largely because the game we were playing was IML and only 9 players, so I was more inclined to spam, easier to read, here I'm taking more time to read through everyone who's been posting. This is a similar play to what I did in Carol, another large game, where I took more time to process things. Damdred on the other hand, his explanation is a little more muddled and his explanation, whilst it could have been townie, is LESS likely to have come from town. Is it going well? Obviously tough when everyone's scumreading me, but I can get some decent idea of where people are coming from so I can offer some information. I had this same problem in Titanic in my last game, so I'm not sweating. I've been there. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: those shuriken are 1-shot? if they're 1-shot then nah I don't really care about ninja Unless I'm misreading the OP, I think they are 2-shot. | ||
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Re-reading the thread, I'm taking note of the people who normally are known to be spammers. Robik hasn't posted much of anything of substance for instance. I don't understand his motivations for wanting to hang back when the type of conversation happening is more conducive to his relatively conversational game. I think it was geript himself who actually said a scumtell of his was him not posting so much, so Robik will go in the scum pile for me as well. I too, would have also expected Kitaman to make some sort of observation popping in. LS is likely town, from what I'm gathering from his few posts. | ||
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To me disagreement on the Sandroba read doesn't jump out to me as alignment indicative since it's very possible you two could have very different interpretations of his play as town. | ||
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After playing with you in Titanic, if i recall right though, I don't like his interpretation of you keeping your reads open. It could be townie but inaccurate if this were a newer player but I'm highly doubting it. From what I recall your town game in Titanic, you did hand out a number of different reads based on your observations so I definitely don't think "you're keeping your options open" as scum. From what I recall of you, you aren't the big casemaker type when you give your reads, you only gave one in Titanic when you were effectively forced to. Also the funny thing with YM is with his read on me is that he's clinging onto that opening without really paying attention to the rest of my content like others have. People asked me to give a read since I just spoke what was on my mind and this isnt' the first time that I'll say something and not necessarily post a conclusion in the same post as town. So where he's getting fabricated also looks like a stretch on his end. | ||
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On March 04 2015 00:30 Toadesstern wrote: I'm actually trying to be less townish this time around as that didn't seem to work out in Hammertime when I was confirmed town alongside you 24 hours in and got lynched for "I thought he'd do more" + "there was something else but I forgot" Better not get lynched for being too townish and not living up to it this time around Palmar scumread you for your scumhunting methods, IIRC, the fact that you were trying to PoE and as a result weren't coming up with any scumreads early enough. He was town and tunnelled on you, and we bowed to his pressure D2, which we shouldn't have. I didn't know your play any better otherwise I wouldn't have hammered you that game. Although considering most people here are scumread for not having scumreads, if that's the method you have normally used to find scum (PoE) I can completely understand why you've changed it since. | ||
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What are your thoughts on Robik based on what he has posted so far? (anyone else can input as well) | ||
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I'm TRing SL and he found something off with Damdred as well. I had a hunch on him earlier since he commented on my opening WAY after others expressed reservation but my latest concern is his read on you, LS. It reeks too much of the way he tried pushing you in Titanic, and he was scum that game. He should know how tentative you sound which is probably why I'm leaning scum on him. Thoughts? | ||
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On March 04 2015 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is not eden. I guessed JAT earlier, but I could be wrong on that. | ||
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Here's where I stand doing some more filter diving. Kita - Inclined to scumread him atm. From Carol, I do recall him being a low-count high content poster, his first few posts are on mechanics and his opinion on your mom doesn't say anything new of substance that others had not touched on already. Koshi - from modding Horn where he was scum, he'd pop in and try to stay lighthearted but had some trouble emulating his town game and I recall marv calling him out early on. I'm inclined to BOD him given his real life schedule atm, so I don't think he's a good shot for today. Right now, I'd say my top shots would be YM, Kita, and anyone else in the forgettables list, like Onegu, Bats, Oats (I even forgot he was in the game). | ||
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Sicklucker is someone I'd expect some more activity from, but when he entered, he seemed town. The same went for FF. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:34 rsoultin wrote: hrum... we just got out of a game where FF was so happy to be town lol we were convinced he may be 3p...so that's a strange read from HtS regardless I'm thinking back to Carol, where he didn't do jack all most of the game. And I was pushing his lynch like crazy in Titanic so part of his activity (prior to the scumread on Palmar) was defending himself as well. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:47 Tubesock wrote: Why is Keirathi town? How can you town him but scum koshi for doing the same thing? I don't understand. I'm looking at the little I can garner from their posts, I'm going to disregard both's activity for now, since I've never played with them. If they are the types that spam a lot then it's definitely scumpile, but I don't know the norm for their activity. | ||
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Rayn, why are you saying Kurumi (probably) is town? This is the only post that isn't full out troll and he could be pulling names from anywhere. Doesn't say anything with his reads. On March 03 2015 23:48 Kurumi wrote: Hello! Turns out that actually those were not Bengali hamsters, but Guinea pigs. Some unwise individual thought that living on an island is good enough premise to deduce that those creatures can swim. He has been willingly terminated and given our Good Bad Goodbye Employee Package™. Hopefully he'll remember the company policies to actually request aid from our knowledgeable technicians. Who knows what can happen, if your equipment wasn't checked! So that's for the news from your friendly corporation, now onto more shocking news. I've been trying to contact so-called "Ninjas" and had no luck with succeeding. Any information concerning "Ninjas" is welcome! Just use the form N1N-7S and someone from the Corporation shall come in touch with you. I am a very busy man but hopefully this list will prove to be interesting: Chezinu raynpelikoneet LightningStrike kitatheman27 Foolishness. 'Till the next meeting friends! | ||
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Do you not like the content in his filter or just the quantity of it? | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:58 Damdred wrote: Hey people finally have power back. I'm missing some content I'll finish catching up now Welcome back. When you are able, can you elaborate on your read on LS? | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: HTS could you respond to my question when you have a chance? Thanks. Alright, hold on. I've missed it. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all his reads he presents are about 100% correct. Alright so if I understand you right, he has god tier reads, but how do you differentiate between that and a scummer having perfect information or a scummer sheeping reads? I mean if you have a god tier read on him fine, but for someone like me who doesn't know him very well, what should I be looking for? | ||
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On March 04 2015 01:43 kitaman27 wrote: I kinda had similar suspicious as your mom here finding HtS's initial couple of posts on fecal to be irrelevant and then the town conclusion seemingly coming out of the blue so that may not be "fake" considering I came to the same conclusion independently before even reading your mom's filter. The part about him that doesn't immediately make me view him as town for seeing the same things is this statement: "rayn basically just called her mafia without a given reason and then proceeded to do so with a lot of other people including me, diluting his committment to a mafia hts and giving himself a lot of other options without pushing anyone in particular." It seems like he is jumping to a conclusion too quick here, stating it as a matter of fact. I interpret it mostly as rayn talking about other stuff, rather than him "giving himself other options." Still haven't read much of koshi since he seems a bit emo this game so I'm not sure if the second part of your argument has merit, but I'll like a look when I have a chance. Kita forgive me if I'm looking at the wrong post, but this was the post I was looking at and filtered dived you on when I made my conclusion. It didn't look like he was asking you a direct question (timestamps indicate otherwise) and I know I'd beaten you by at least an hour on the "giving himself other options" part which I also disputed based on my experience with Rayn. If you came to those conclusions independently fine, but another concern I had on you was that your filter was that we have 20+ players in this game - does anyone else here (other than those you've already discussed) give any scum vibes? | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:11 kitaman27 wrote: Is a scummer having "perfect information" even relevant to think about here? I said perfect information because he throws LS's name on as town, and msot people who haven't played with LS will generally scumread him for his tone. I don't think he's one of those people that have played with him often. His prior post was trolly- this could be semi-trolly, I'd have LESS issue with it at face value (remember, I've not played with him before) if he actually EXPLAINED his reads. Tubesock is also questioning the change in his reads (second post also has no explanation for them) so I'm not the only one finding that odd. And Tube can confirm, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't played with Kurumi either. | ||
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Robik and Damdred, can either of you explain the reasons for your LS read? Those of us here familiar with his gameplay are a bit confused. Robik why shoot him above all? Or has that since changed? | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:49 sicklucker wrote: I believe I left a pregame excuse for my low inactivity before the game started Fair play. You're not on my shoot list anyhow. | ||
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Anyone have thoughts on Sepulchre? On March 04 2015 06:16 Sepulchre wrote: I think Raynpelikoneet is the best shot in the long run. Unfortunately I won't be around during the troubled times of the soft deadline but that is who I would likely go with right now, albeit without having read too deeply into the thread. For the record, I'm not in favor of shooting Your Mom, while shooting Koshi is acceptable in my book, but I'm not crazy about it either. That post was about 20 hours after his first relatively detailed post, and assuming this is a smurf (if it's not, someone correct me please), this person could be trying to cruise on that first post. I don't like this second post, even Sep skimming the thread, I'm surprised Rayn's filter isn't either changing his mind or allowing him (her) to elaborate on how he goes from this: Other than that, I would also consider shooting raynpelikoneet purely because all his posts at time of writing are objectively terrible, have nothing to do with this game or are poor attempts at jokes. Occasionally a combination of any of the above, probably. I'm not yet acclimated enough to really tell which posts in this game are jokes, sadly. ....to "Rayn is the best shot" even if it's not with full confidence. At face value, it looks scummy to me. This also reads like someone who is trying to keep options open as well. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: Apart from rayn being a horrific shot....what else makes him scum? I'm not calling his conclusion scummy, I'm calling the method in which (s)he got there such. Also in his first detailed post, he doesn't even mention Koshi. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote: Did I conplained about hard it is to keep track on how many people are in the game? Ya I forgot about him but since you brought him up he not posted much but need more posts from him null for me. Also anyone else noticed Onegu only posted once in this game since the game started? He doesn't have to give reads on everyone. In a large game, that's obvious, esp not at one time. I was just focusing on what he DID have, and where it was throwing me off. Also the fact he had two posts, if he's a vet smurfing, it seems to me like he's trying to cruise. But I don't know that latter part. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:25 Alakaslam wrote: Wait. I have been gone a really long time, how did we decide on this shot? Did rayn act on behalf of the consensus? Well a few were looking to shoot Koshi, then he got modkilled. Robik and Rayn were 100% shooting. | ||
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In NYE Party, where he was vig shot, I don't think he had a single scum read until right at EoD. If he pushes anyone in his scum game, that push comes extremely late, if at all in the day. He was scumreading Mocsta and someone else midday. As town, I don't recall him being very aggressive pusher (this is aimed at Sicklucker who doesn't like him not pushing). I had filter dived him and seeing a few of the scumreads mid-day I wasn't inclined to scumread him. Catching up on the thread... | ||
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On March 04 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a post where it becomes clear LightningStrike is town. Who are the people accusing him? Anyone who is town should know LightningStrike is town. Robik and Damdred seem to be the two detractors. I pressed both of them on this and I know Damdred doesn't like how tentative LS was on his read on Rasputin and myself, but I feel that LS's paranoia on both of us (based on meta, the games where he misread both of us) is justified. Robik, I was even less clear on his explanation - I cannot remember offhand exactly, but I know he did explain it. Now Robik was town in Titanic...how did he take LS (also town) in that game? If there's a stark contrast, it gives more likelihood that Robik is scum. Going to check. | ||
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Here's Robik's explanation for the LS scumread when I pressed on it late D1: If I recall right, this read appeared to be out of nowhere, where he was laying back and not playing most of D1 or throwing random names of people to shoot. Robik's approach to LightningStrike in Titanic, was town approach, he was clearly tunnelled on LS and pushing LS a decent chunk of the game on posts that LS made. He did this on a perceived scumslip and LS bunched in with others he legitimately thought was scum. In this read this game, he's simply saying that LS 'isn't playing' and that was close to EoD. The only mention of LS prior is calling him a "fucking twit". His approach doesn't seem well supported or has the direction compared to his approach last game. It looks scummier for sure compared to the approach in Titanic. | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:04 Mocsta wrote: I don't agree with that conclusion. Aside from the shitty list post, I don't have any issues with LS What do you make of Sepulchre and OWS early game interactions? Both are on my naughty list; and both have digs @ each other that disappear in the wind. Given the bolded, not sure if you misunderstood me. I think LS is town, but I'm scumreading Robik for his approach to LS...unless you disagree with my read on Robik. Sepulchre first post looked detailed enough and I could follow the logic from her reasoning, even if it was wrong. For example, I don't agree with Sep's conclusion on OWS, since OWS didn't seem to be putting down the play of people pressuring my read. He wasn't disassociating himself. She did put it in context though - a first impressions thing. I wasn't sure if it was a smurf at the time I evaluated her second post close to EoD last night. I was inclined to scumread her based on the way she followed up on her second post from her first, and that the reads were getting shallower and wasn't a strong read even from a skim of the thread. My problem was her followup, not her initial post and the fact she did jack all for 20-odd hours. I believe in her followup last night she said she was not a smurf, a legit new player. I looked at her post-D1 (IIRC) followup. Her first post appeared well thought out and honest, but I had a problem with her second post more than I did with her first. I'm going to take a closer look at her final post and see if anything more conclusive is out of that. OWS's reaction did not strike me as unusual, it appeared to be a logical reaction after 2-3 people asked me to give a read. Also his sequence of gut reads does not appear unusual to me. | ||
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1 He was blue in Carol so he may have purposely acted different. I'm also unfamiliar with his normal town meta, I havent played with him enough to know if he's normally lazy-ish town. 2 Disregarding his meta (hence saying face value), I'd lynch him because his filter is forgettable. Am I making sense now? | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:49 kitaman27 wrote: And to be fair, if I'm looking at your list, you better let me know how you feel about Keirathi, Epiphany, Damdred, Fecal, Tube When I get back, I'll try looking into these and seeing if anything changed. | ||
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On March 05 2015 02:15 LightningStrike wrote: Can you explain your reads please? Because it seems like you got no reasons shown on your reads and would like to know how you got to each read. Join the club. We've said this how many times? | ||
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On March 05 2015 02:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What exactly are you expecting, though? Batsnacks has done absolutely nothing of value all game and is playing like a total ghost. I can't follow up on someone that isn't playing. =/ You said around EoD to shoot Batsnacks. I'm not disputing your read on him, just trying to understand your specific reasoning. Also I commented on your filter, and there are multiple scum in this game, so do you have any other solid scumreads based on everything that's happened so far? I see your gut reads at the beginning of the game, but do you have any input on any of the main issues in the thread and whether that's affected your gut reads? | ||
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On March 05 2015 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He's playing like a total ghost which is basically exactly how he plays scum. Cheers. This is the type of answer I was looking for. What main issues would you have me look at, exactly? Well off the cuff, here's what's jumping out at me: - Kurumi's semi-trolling and reads in general - Robik's pushes on LS - Tubesock's gameplay (which has been getting split opinion) - Any read on Sepulchre, who is a new player, and any opinion on her followup ...or anything else you might find important. | ||
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On March 05 2015 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now, any smart people, why? He does this in every single game he plays as town. | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:49 kitaman27 wrote: And to be fair, if I'm looking at your list, you better let me know how you feel about Keirathi, Epiphany, Damdred, Fecal, Tube Looking at both Keirathi's and Epiphany's filters, I don't see any reason to rescind townreads on these two. Keirathi, I can see the logic in his questioning of Damdred. Epiphany hasn't posted much, but I was reading him town based on his tone and entrance to the thread. No change there. I'm feeling a little bit better about Damdred atm seeing his latest posts though. Going to look into Fecal and Tube a bit harder. I know Tube was focusing on mechanics last I recall, but at this stage of the game, as far as reads, I remember one list post, I need to check if he's developed anything further on reads. | ||
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Will catch up and do more filter diving and such this afternoon (EU time). For the record, I voted to destroy the button. | ||
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Going through Tube's filter, I'm seeing a lot of the theory analysis that I saw in his town game in Newbie LX. As in the specific points on how those who were killed were killed because they were the most likely threats (page 6 of Tube's filter). Yes it's WIFOM, but that's how he thinks, even putting forth his TFH theories, that's consistent from what he played in that game as well. It also shows on his part the lack of an agenda, even if it's not the most sound strategy in the world, it's still consistent from the town game I recall. On March 05 2015 18:03 Tubesock wrote: Bring it. Let's dance. I'm perfectly happy turning this effectively into a duel between Sandroba and I. Vote me. You must still like your case on me. You should have more ammo by now. This post jumps out at me, because indicates he's not afraid to die/put himself at risk. For comparison I think he did a similar action in Carol, if I recall right. A ninja or scummer would be less likely to do something like this. He continues to bait Geript after this. So Tube to me, is still reading as town, even more so than before, Obv not the lynch in this cell. Moving on to Sandroba.... | ||
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On March 06 2015 01:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Does sandroba actually play the games he signs up for? This is the second time I've been in a game with him and he has a small filter. At this rate, if he isn't mafia, it's not going to be hard for whoever the other mafia is to not get lynched. Hrm. Well going through his filter now, I see YM called him out for having an underwhelming filter early D1. Not sure who YM was, but it can be inferred that at some game he played on TL, he played more than he is doing so now. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:56 sandroba wrote: From memory OWS bat onegu have all being really underwhelming. All have been flying under the radar and it's likely that there are 1-2 mafia lying in that group. Oats I don't think even posted once unless I missed it, so I'd like to give him a bit of time to come in the thread and give his thoughts. The only one I heavily lean town on is sepulchre because of his big intro post which I really liked. On March 04 2015 09:02 sandroba wrote: You don't think sep is town? Sandroba, few questions for you, we have a few people who questioned Sepulchre on his followup posts and some did not like his followup posts. Now Geript claims to have shot him last night. Do you have any thoughts on people scumming Sep or has your read on Sep since changed? If so, how? Also you targetted three people for having "underwhelming filters" and LS for being scum because you didn't like his list post. I see Kita's already asked this to an extent, but I also feel the same here - do you have any other scum reads at this point in time? | ||
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I'm going to do some comparison work with the recent games to see if there might be any differences. I do get that carefree vibe here in this game, but he was scum in Hammertime and I don't recall the tone in that game being much different, so I will have to use other means to more fully evaluate him. Going to look into that and Sicklucker's filter more tonight after dinner. | ||
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On March 06 2015 05:53 Sepulchre wrote: I am neither a ninja nor did I recieve any protection, that I know of at least. Geript is lying and it's pretty obvious why and what he tries to achive with it so I didn't say anything about it so far, not that it'd work. It's basically what an elementary schooler would come up with, but the child is in town class so we ignore that it's a bit slow. So you're discounting the possibility from your pov that Geript could be town and could have gotten roleblocked? I see no mention or prior read on geript in your filter. Going through his filter, he's entertaining both possibilities that he'd been RBed or that you aren't town. Why aren't you? | ||
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On March 06 2015 05:41 sandroba wrote: One more thing to add to support this is that I recieved my power in the begging of the night and I assume everyone else did too. So any spirit wouldnt have time to react to geript saying he would shoot sep and give him a vest in response. So that furthers my belief that sep is either ninja or geript is lying. Actually just realised the same omission in your response as well. Why not consider the RB possibility esp given the announcement? | ||
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On March 06 2015 07:43 Sepulchre wrote: I'm not entertaining the possibility that I'm not town because I know I am. I'm not entertaining the possibility that he's been RB'd because I can't imagine anybody would give geript a vigilante shot. I guess for all I know the town spirit could be terrible at this game but the phrase "selected from volunteers" makes me think it's probably ended up being somebody that would not in fact do the equivalent of arming a monkey with nukes. Just realised I worded that last question poor, but obv you've answered the RB concern, that is what I was looking for. Now going to the part about geript getting said shot - you can't imagine anyone giving geript a vig shot even as a decent nr of the players in this game were townreading him through late D1? | ||
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I'm voting Sandroba. After filter diving him, Sandroba wasn't acting towny enough D1, loads of tone reads, but nothing in the ways of more detailed scumhunting or critical thinking for what I can tell, I know he had to backtrack on one post, but that was pretty much it. YM had called him out on his gameplay. Finally, today Kita asked him questions on findings from his filters, and he's answered mine (save the RB followup) but not his even though he followed up my questions despite Kita asking again prior. What conclusions did we have from those filters? Granted this copcheck is a one-time ability, but I also feel his explanation for a copcheck play is something that any veteran who knows how to copcheck can say. In fact I recall how geript mentioned after Student V that the ones with questionable/sparse filters should be how cops check. I'm about a third through Sicklucker's filter and I've accounted for the AFK part for D1. I still need to take a harder look at D2 and check for inconsistencies, I know that's how HF cracked SL in Void from the Obs QT. It's 2am so I need to go to bed, so I will wrap that up tomorrow. But as it stands, I don't feel Sandroba's overall behaviour makes sense for what he's doing now. Voting him. | ||
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Also had a work-related event that ran late, so not as active yesterday as I'd have liked to. Take that as you will. | ||
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On March 06 2015 10:52 sicklucker wrote: Keirathi - cant remember anything hes said all game Have you actually read his filter? If so, what sort of reads are you getting from it? Because I recall others having different conclusions using different critieria. | ||
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On March 06 2015 11:14 batsnacks wrote: Okay I read three of the 4 filters and made my decision. ##vote Tubesock Elaborate what you think is town on Sandroba please. Sicklucker is also not very easy to read, generally speaking. Where did you think he was town? | ||
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On March 06 2015 10:27 Kurumi wrote: Hello kitatheman27, How's your Ninja life? Why didn't you kill Obi? I love you. I wanted you to win. I wanted you to stop killing my Town brethren. Why did you go for it? Why? I trusted your judgement. I am Chezinu. I am the Tracker of Brown. I am Tracker of all that is different. Why didn't you trust me? Possible tracker breadcrumbing? Kurumi, in case you missed the last 2 posts for hardclaiming, can you please actually hardclaim if you got a tracker ability? | ||
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On March 06 2015 11:34 batsnacks wrote: I don't know that Sandroba is town and I didn't feel like reading SL's filter. So... it's tubes for me. Bats, I find this response really odd from you. You were in Void with sicklucker and he was scum. He managed to trick you in that game all the way through lylo. And you're taking the chance that he could potentially be doing the same here? Does not compute. | ||
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It's a flawed way of thinking, again, but it's not atypical for his game. | ||
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On March 07 2015 01:44 kitaman27 wrote: Sicklucker Has trouble keeping his story straight when claiming to not know about roles from spirits, yet asking for a gun during day one. His priorities shift pretty dramatically when learning that he is a member of the cell and has to fight for survival. He goes after sandroba pretty hard, with little consideration that tube may be mafia, a player he hadn't even mentioned earlier. He puts a lot of effort in reinforcing the fact that he is obvious town. He references the town role PM which mafia have knowledge of, he references his ignorance about the spirit roles, he brings up that his relationship with tube should be a town tell for us, he mentions several times that he doesn't get lynched as town. His mafia list are the process of elimination cell members and the afks/trolls. He produced a similar list in one of the mafia games I read. [...] If someone (other than sicklucker) wants to shed light to the above thoughts or point out something I'm not seeing, please share. Diving sicklucker's filter now, trying to squeeze what I can in before dinner. Also doing a comparison for how Holyflare nabbed him in Void (unfortunately for him, it was after we nightkilled him). Looking at the relevant QT, the way he nabbed Sicklucker was contradictions in his reads. Also his strategy endgame was hitting the inactives in that game too (Bats, Slam, Vivax to an extent) as he and JAT helped drive those lynches. I'm looking at his filter and his reads are just spread out literally all over the place. There's a disclaimer that "he's not the best scumhunter" but even in his town games, he's been quite erratic too. One maybe contradiction on LS: On March 04 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote: I see lots of good shots I dont think ls is one of them robik and if you try I will be faster On March 04 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote: Robik can we shoot koshi together? No kill Ls hes lynchbait? + Show Spoiler + team robik! Unless I misunderstand he wants to kill LS after he denies LS is a good shot? I'll be frank Kita, I only looked at behaviour when I was looking at all four candidates initially and only saw the arguments on mechanics after I woke up. I can definitely see sicklucker being scum here as he relies on this sort of strategy to survive as scum, he's rolled scum quite a bit now. But deciding between the two (SL/Sand) at the moment, I can sum up in three words at the moment: fuck my life. Honestly quite difficult. | ||
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On March 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Tube could be mafia but I doubt it. Hes fallen off a bit. This really should be a race between the two of them I must be like the most obvious town of all time at this point. The one worrying fact is people seem to be agreeing with me. That literally never happened to me before. But if sandro is town you cant put this on me because it looks like you would have voted me over tube anyway killing a town. Wait so you had a town read on him and now you are contemplating he's mafia just because he's fallen off a bit? Why should others' opinions sway what you think? | ||
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You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped? I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:29 Alakaslam wrote: If sicklucker is in the lynch pool versus Tubesock he is the obvious lynch And Sandroba is out of contention for you because....? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote: Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me. LOL you realise I'm not finished going through your filter? And that it has been acknowledged by others that you are difficult to read? Kitaman poured out some points against you. I don't even have my vote on you. Why so afraid? Why the double standard? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote: Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me. LOL you realise I'm not finished going through your filter? And that it has been acknowledged by others that you are difficult to read? Kitaman poured out some points against you. I don't even have my vote on you. Why so afraid? Why the double standard? You gave others town points for digging stuff on you, so why am I scum for doing the same? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:36 Tubesock wrote: If Sandroba IS cop and DID check Onegu and he is mafia, then Onegu is a super safe nightkill and excuse for town leading mafia to survive. Probability speaking, I don't think that all the mafia are the lurkers or baddies. That's silly. Cheers clarifying your position, also agree with the bolded, I've said before in many games that it's atypical all members of a scumteam (and a six-person scumteam at that) would all have the same approach. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:44 sicklucker wrote: Its very obvious what mafias plan could be with a fake claim. day1 kill me lynch two townies at night day2 kill tube lynch two townies at night THATS SIX DEAD TOWNIES. If this is a fake claim and you believe it mafia wins straight up no if ands or buts. And people like you want to just lynch me and tubes and see what happens? The game will be over or in lylo if you do that. This fakeclaim is literraly a 6 for 1 trade. Its not 4-1 that was an erroe. ITS A 6-1 TRADE Why are you assuming day 2 would be a Tube ML when Sandro and you are the leading wagons? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:47 sicklucker wrote: Hts the things the others pointed out were very observtant things that even I didnt know. All you pointed out was that I changed my read on Ls. Like no one in the history of mafia has changed there read on one player. I see the frustration that you didnt get a "cheap read" sorry mafia hts Please learn to read my posts - Holyflare spotted you from the Obs QT in the Void game based on how you had been changing your reads. I see I misunderstood the last set of quotes which is why I asked in bold. You are difficult to read, so I'm using a method that's worked for someone regarded as a top player around here. Come on. | ||
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On March 07 2015 05:51 Breshke wrote: Bats not scumreading sandroba yet throwing away his vote on tube adds to the fact that SL is mafia. I was thinking this possibility as well. I asked him why he didn't eval SL's filter when he has a clear reason to do so (Void) and he comes up with the most inane answer one could think of. | ||
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I mean saying the people voting on him (save LS) our filters are unremarkable....this coming from someone who is scummed for being unremarkable....ah the irony. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:38 batsnacks wrote: Doesn't that strengthen my reasons for not wanting to read SL's filter? If I couldn't figure out his alignment for an entire game that went to lylo why would I be able to figure him out in a game I'm not even reading? It's not worth the pain it would cause me. I would much rather bury my head in the sand like an ostrich or something... Whatever the saying is. Or something. I mean seriously, this answer, are you kidding me? "It's not worth the pain it would cause me" Considering at least half the game is scumming him, OWS already hinting a duel against him, this answer is absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote: Well kurimis mafia. I think hes the most obvious mafia in the game atm. He even might have scum slipped LS and I questioned him on why he didn't have explanations for his reads - I was suspicious of how he just towned LS when LS is not an easily townable player for people who don't know him. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:14 Breshke wrote: HtS I think the lynch today should be SL but I can understand wanting to lynch sandroba. Try and imagine if sandroba hadn't of claimed. Do you think he would look as bad as he does? Honestly I am struggling between these two. Sicklucker's play here is much like in Void. I was his scum mate in Void. I really should be voting Sicklucker, but he also pulls this shit as town it drives me batshit insane. Holyflare's method isn't applying well here because his reads are all over the place between two days and Kita's current line of reasoning falls in with why I'd vote sicklucker if someone more town was in the cell and not sandroba. The reads are mostly on afkers which is ludicrous for a six-person scumteam. If Sandroba hadn't claimed, I'd still be evaluating him on his D1 behaviour/gameplay, which quite frankly isn't good at all. I mean the decision is hard no matter how you slice it. I am going to try and meta a few sicklucker town games. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:15 IAmRobik wrote: why the fuck is breshke still alive? Talk about obvious mafia based off of participation. Jesus christ Pot. Kettle. Black? You realise his activity was quite substantial D2....whereas you largely AFKed D2 this game? | ||
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I mean if I were town and my bum is on the line and I'm about to get MLed I'd be at the VERY worst trying to give as much information like a last testament or something more substantial. And the vote is bloody close too. I don't understand his behaviour. I honestly don't. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:27 kitaman27 wrote: lol I've gone back and forth in my head so many times -_- Voting SL. I'm not trying to be cynical here, but did you flip a coin or are you going off the copcheck? | ||
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We still only have 2 claims for abilities? God. | ||
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I'm switching. If sicklucker is town, I seriously am going to hate you all. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote count sicklucker (9): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Sandroba (8): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Onegu (1): Kurumi Tubesock (1): batsnacks Not voted (2): Sandroba, Keirathi Sandroba has two votes. Why isn't he using the second vote to save himself? | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: What exactly didn't you like about his answer to kita? I agree that like as mafia he wouldn't care as much about being lynched because mafia is in a good position and as town he should be doing more but the busy excuse could easily explain this if it is true. Also i know they can come from mafia but I am a sucker for people that make plans like this It was his scumreads. Digging it up, it was quite recent. I thought I commented on it too... | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: What exactly didn't you like about his answer to kita? I agree that like as mafia he wouldn't care as much about being lynched because mafia is in a good position and as town he should be doing more but the busy excuse could easily explain this if it is true. Also i know they can come from mafia but I am a sucker for people that make plans like this This Breshke. On March 07 2015 05:06 sandroba wrote: Hmm everyone else? LS I've been suspicious since day1, HTS epifany and fecal I didn't do much research on but all seem unremarkable and just popped and and said yeah sandroba for sure scum, so there could be 1 or more in there. Anyone can say anyone's filter is unremarkable plus he was called out for this as well earlier in the game. And his response for scumreads is pretty much similar to sickluckers' afk/lurkers thing. I realise he's pressured for time today/now, but he didn't do jack all D1. Even discounting his actions today, I'm not sure why he couldn't have made himself more readable, like a more substantiated read on someone - LS was his one scumread, he didn't like the list post even though others explained his list post was typical and his stream of consciousness thing was typical for LS. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote: But why not vote Sandro? Clearly I shown some success with Meta in the past on people being Mafia and yet you ignore me this time :O I'm not considering meta with Sandro. I've never played with him. And you've been wrong with meta in Titanic. You could be wrong here. There's so such shit to consider, the fucking mechanics, and honestly both SL and sandroba are looking terrible. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:31 batsnacks wrote: SPOOKY SPIRITS SPOOOOOOOOKY Why couldn't he have been in the cell? | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:46 kitaman27 wrote: I know he didn't follow through, but sandroba claiming to shoot at the start of day one is a high risk policy as scum. sandroba is the type of player willing to make high risk players though which is why I'm back and forth so much. SL got really worked up after the cop check. I'm wondering if he felt that he would lose straight up against tube which is why he went strong against sandro. The whole "I didn't know about roles in this game so I'm town" thing still bothers me. As town your posts are genuine, but as mafia you can lose track of what you've said earlier. I also took note of how sicklucker was going insane when I was filter diving him and explaining the methods I was trying to use...when my vote was still on Sandro. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: Did NOT have the time to check wether Artanis votecount is actually correct. I'm assuming it is atm With all due respect, there's 18m to check... | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:49 sicklucker wrote: Tube was townie but so was I how come I got all the votes and he got none? Because you weren't townie enough compared to Tube? Also for those of us that were struggling, he was 10x more readable than you were. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:03 LightningStrike wrote: Sign I thought Sandroba was more Mafia than sicklucker. Going to AFK vote Sandroba next Day Phase. Sheep me Tube and HTS. Assuming it's the proper lynch mechanic to do so. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:07 IAmRobik wrote: what the fuck is this bullshit overreaction. if you thought sl was ever flipping mafia there, you're out of your fucking mind. Why don't you tell that to the others that voted him? Also not the first time I've thrown a fit when this has happened. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:11 IAmRobik wrote: you'er not even throwing a fit. you just said fuck. which is very random because you didn't seem to have a STRONG disposition on him being mafia. Apparently you've been out of the thread, relatively unaware or simply ignoring how many of us were deliberating on these two for how long? I'm upset (and so is Breshke) after putting in this much work that we mislynched. If you can't understand that, then you're either grossly ignorant or scum trying to find some BS reason to scumread someone. | ||
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...but not before helping sort this out. Catching up. | ||
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LightningStrike - Kita, I've been TRing him the whole time, but it has been a strong meta read. Why do you think he's scum? batsnacks - agree Alakaslam - most likely scum at this point Fecalfeast - I'm going to say town here based on D1, but will need to filter dive again. Kurumi- ignored calls from LS and myself to explain reads. The townread on LS was particularly suspicious because LS is not TRed easily by people who don't know him. Sandroba - Upon looking at the vote analysis at this point I'm 50/50 between him and Tube. Tube could have been waiting for us to fuck up the vote on SL given the amount of time we all spent deliberating on the cell vote. Tube's vote was last and came in at 40m prior to EoD, not seconds before, so for him to use the exact vote count to implicate me (or even Kita) is pretty unreasonable considering we could have switched back. It's pretty absurd to think any of us would have been studying the votecount as we were all trying to figure out sicklucker. If even two of us (Kita/myself/OWS) had switched back after 2220, the vote would have been 8-8 sicklucker, and since sicklucker previously had the lead with Tube's vote he'd been done in anyways. I'm still TRing Kitaman. If Kita is scum, I will nominate him for individual mafia player of the year, or whatever that award is. It's also possible that all of us are town and we all just fucked up trying to figure out sicklucker, but someone had to have been taking advantage of the town fuckup, both OWS and I are town...and between Kita and Tube it would have to be Tube. I completely fell for geript's defence of sandroba and had previously eliminated Tube/Onegu, but seeing how good he is a player, it's also possible he's setting up a sandroba mislynch if sandroba is town. Which also is congruent with the process that if him and Sand are town, then Tube is conf scum. geript - claimed scum effectively after red check Sepulchre - looked at filter, was scumreading geript. Double bussing unlikely but could have gotten coached in the scum QT as a new player. Was pretty darn stubborn about not believing geript shouldn't have gotten a vig shot earlier but that filter was sparse and there was no progression on geript whatsoever in the filter. Behaviour now in the latest exchange is suspect, so I'd say likely to be scum. So that gives me a scum list of: One of Tube or Sandroba Bats, Slam, geript, Sepulchre and a 6th I can't figure out right now, but most likely Kurumi if I had to put my money on something. Fecalfeast could be it too, but it's a longshot. Breshke, LS, Kita and Onegu to me are almost certainly town. | ||
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On March 08 2015 21:41 Onegu wrote: Happy Birthday, wrote it in the other game don't know if you saw it. Now vote me Mayor. Cheers. Who are the three you'd put on the mission? Not sure if that's changed from your last post. | ||
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Off the cuff, I'm not sure why Kurumi has Breshke as mafia, especially at this stage in the game. | ||
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On March 08 2015 16:37 Tubesock wrote: I like that he's not seeking out people, but will interact with anyone who does him. He also throws in some reads (course he has to no matter what) but it really boils down to he makes me think more and gives me ideas. But you are right, he is not making the game easier for town. ...except that he didnt explain his reads earlier on and the current list he has makes zero sense where we are in mylo. Anyone can throw a list of reads when they have perfect information as mafia. Covered that already. | ||
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I will case Tubesock tonight when I'm off work. | ||
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I won't be casing anyone at this point, exiting stage left. GGs. I'll talk more postgame. | ||
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As for me, I think I have quite a lot of explaining to do assuming that Rasputin and/or OWS don't submit ban requests for me. (Yes I shot both of them as third party ninja. FML.) My reads were way off this game, and I wound up mafia siding hard. The fact that 5 of us - 4 town and myself trying to be town-aligned just jumped on SL....I don't even. What a mess up that was. As I explained in Obs QT, I shot Rasputin deliberately even through I TRed her. It was self-preservation because my D1 went south so quickly - too many people didn't know how to read me - and I had RL stuff that would prevent me from posting as much, so I needed to take out someone that would can me for activity. It was between her and SL to shoot D1 and I picked her since she harped on my posting. If my D1 had gone better I would have shot into Bats/OWS/Fecalfeast, similar to a vigilante kill. 100% preservation, nothing more, nothing less. D2 I shot OWS - I don't know how to read him. His filter looked shady and I had him between 50% scum and 50% ninja 1. The way we all lumped onto SL at the end...I was so sure SOMEONE was taking advantage of a town fuckup. The truth was we all fucked up. I voted sicklucker out of pure paranoia, because he'd deceived town so many times through his style of posting. Even though I just had bad bad bad feelings about sandroba's gameplay. That proved to be completely diabolical on my end. That said I have never played third party ever before. I hope I never RNG third party again, even though I met wincon, but only so through modkills. I really had close to zero idea what I was doing, so I just went for self-preservation and tried to play my town game as best as I could since I need stupid amounts of work on that. This game only goes to show that RL aside, I need more work than I thought. Bats's scum meta is that he does jack all, and he did jack all. There was also a lot of townies not playing well, with the exception of SL/Tube/Kita. So town, I'm sorry for hurting you lot. My commiserations. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:11 Keirathi wrote: Not sure what you're apologizing for HTS. You played to your win-con. Even if you had perfect reads, if you lynch all the mafia but survive, you still lose. Ehhhh, let's just say from what I understand a number of people in Obs QT were pissed at the ninjas, especially the one that shot two townies. And Rasputin knows me very well, she will be fuming when she discovers that I shot her. EDIT: Also people were under the impression that she was shot because of Rayn and Koshi telling the ninja to shoot her. In actuality, that was completely untrue. I'm painfully aware dead townies can be wrong. | ||
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I'd like to know how the points system worked, it seemed quite snowball, once mafia were on a roll...that was it. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:28 Toadesstern wrote: you should have lynched Sandroba like the dead townies told you to N1 or N2? N1 I had to shoot for preservation because if the lynch mechanic wasn't in my favour, I very well could have been duelled by someone who didn't like me for instance and I would have gotten annihilated. N2, I debated shooting Sandroba, but I really wanted to kill that other ninja. I saw ninja in ObiWanShinobi. I thought "omg hero play" and I was clamouring to hit him right as 72h mark hit. It was not a hero play. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:28 Kurumi wrote: I also agree with Toad that bullying is absolutely terrible. 1000% | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:32 Toadesstern wrote: lynch him on d2, not shoot him. Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt. I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. I overthought the whole thing and I was TRing (at that time) geript, Kita, Breshke, etc basically it was herd mentality and most of them were voting SL, and LS and Tube were voting Sandroba. I can't tell you how much time I put into reading and re-reading SL's filter and trying to meta him. sicklucker is a very difficult player to read, and I became paranoid that if we lynched Sandroba and he was town, that I'd be kicking myself in the rear for not killing sicklucker. I also completely ignored the spirit messages - I thought it was just all a distraction. That was the sad part. And Tube, you scumread me for not getting mechanics. I have misunderstand mechanics at least twice before in games...as both alignments. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote: He proably should not have claimed though. I had zero clue that it was Robik until he claimed. | ||
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sicklucker (10): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Sandroba (6): Onegu (1): Kurumi Tubesock (2): batsnacks, sicklucker Not voted (1): Keirathi Looking through all the VCAs done on both sides (town and scum), that massive town clusterfuck...can't blame all of us in the pileup for blaming each other. Several people ignored Kurumi as an isolated vote, thought that should have given him away if his trolling and unexplained sporadic reads didn't. Not to mention that Kitaman was dead on about mafia placing their votes early and that town was entirely responsible for the fuckup at the end (myself notwithstanding). Kita, how did you know not to blame any of us when the rest of us were pointing fingers at each other? God tier reads? | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:54 rsoultin wrote: lolol oh dude, ls was scum this game? Yes, he was. And geript coached him to play exactly like his town meta. No one was the wiser. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:55 Tubesock wrote: The other thing I couldn't understand is that you were using mechanics to base your decisions on. Herd mentality/sheeping Kita. As in he was considering mechanics in his decision. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:56 kitaman27 wrote: I think he should have shot in that situation but not at sandroba since he was almost certainly mafia at that point. If I were him I would have shot into the scummiest ninja suspect. Maybe someone like kurumi or slam where they had a decent chance of being third party, but the game wouldn't end if he was wrong. This is exactly why I didn't shoot sandroba. Kurumi and Slam were pure scum to me so I didn't shoot them either. But that was the same rationale I used to shoot OWS. Of course, I think it would be helpful for me going forward if I knew the difference between OWS' town and mafia metas. Or if he even has a meta. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Glad that's over. I was hyped for the start of day 1 and then had so much trouble doing anything after. I think I got burned out. A shame, really, especially after I got doctor. HTS is apologizing profusely for shooting me, but lmao don't worry about it. A large number of players think I'm a hard read, even in games I'm incredibly active in. Fair play. I just remember you in the qt being sorely disappointed getting what may have been a game-changing ability for town and then in cruel irony for me to shoot you just hours before the daypost. Not that I'd have ever known you had an ability but still. | ||
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On March 10 2015 13:50 Koshi wrote: Getting modkilled over replaced was a terrible decision. Not much of a decision to make when there were no replacements on the list at any point in the game. Not that I recall anyhow. | ||
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