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On July 11 2014 00:12 Vivax wrote: So your scumreads are Cora, forum and yamato?
Do you still scumread yamato? You forgot VE.
He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely.
On July 11 2014 00:19 Damdred wrote: Mderg when did your opinion on cora change?
On July 10 2014 19:58 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. This just doesn´t make sense. Why would you want to lynch Robik who has a disgustingly long filter? You don´t really want to lynch iamperfect D1 because he has a long filter but you want to lynch Robik who also has a long filter. You would only need to click on Robik´s filter to see that this doesn´t make any sense.
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On July 11 2014 00:23 prplhz wrote: it's more interesting that the reason he thinks cora is mafia was already there when he thought he was town I don´t think so. If it was, I missed it.
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On July 11 2014 00:27 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 00:23 prplhz wrote: it's more interesting that the reason he thinks cora is mafia was already there when he thought he was town I don´t think so. If it was, I missed it. i obviously checked But I don´t remember seeing his post when I thought he was town.
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On July 11 2014 01:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 00:25 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 00:12 Vivax wrote: So your scumreads are Cora, forum and yamato?
Do you still scumread yamato? You forgot VE. He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely. On July 11 2014 00:19 Damdred wrote: Mderg when did your opinion on cora change? On July 10 2014 19:58 mderg wrote:On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. This just doesn´t make sense. Why would you want to lynch Robik who has a disgustingly long filter? You don´t really want to lynch iamperfect D1 because he has a long filter but you want to lynch Robik who also has a long filter. You would only need to click on Robik´s filter to see that this doesn´t make any sense. so you also saw how atrocious cora is playing now. Do something, vote him. Or else I will take this as a scum motive and move away from my cora wagon to mderg wagon for playing only when you're asked to Yeah, Cora is really scummy but we still have quite some time left. What do you mean by playing only when I´m asked to?
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On July 11 2014 01:40 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 22:52 IAmRobik wrote: Seems like Bill the donkey Murray could be setting up a "why would I say I was gonna lynch him the next day if I night killed him" about me. Bringing it up back for attention btw WIFOM tells me scum killed Robik to make bm suspicious.
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On July 11 2014 02:13 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:06 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 01:40 HaruRH wrote:On July 10 2014 22:52 IAmRobik wrote: Seems like Bill the donkey Murray could be setting up a "why would I say I was gonna lynch him the next day if I night killed him" about me. Bringing it up back for attention btw WIFOM tells me scum killed Robik to make bm suspicious. So they changed their vote after bm said that even tho it was very close to eod?? And how do you have a town read enough on bm to believe in that conspiracy? Not impossible that scum was there. bm is null for me. What makes me believe in that "conspiracy" is that bm may could have changed the kill. It´s 100% WIFOM, though.
On July 11 2014 02:33 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:06 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 01:40 HaruRH wrote:On July 10 2014 22:52 IAmRobik wrote: Seems like Bill the donkey Murray could be setting up a "why would I say I was gonna lynch him the next day if I night killed him" about me. Bringing it up back for attention btw WIFOM tells me scum killed Robik to make bm suspicious. Rules tells me that palmar will only accept night actions 1 hour before the deadline And robik only said that within the hour, which palmar wasn't going to accept it WIFOM with cheeseburger Read the op, it clearly says that mafia nightkills can be changed within the last hour.
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On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote: you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: . . . I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. . . .
I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie.
If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped.
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On July 11 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote: you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote: remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum.
The plot thickings
*dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote: . . . I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though. . . .
I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie. If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped. well I think mderg is kinda scummy yea I can see a vote on him working out maybe we lynch him today? You´re just fucking dumb
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On July 11 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote: The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it.
kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch
my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable
furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda" So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that? But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue. Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now. I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well. I thought VE had a pretty strong scumread on me. So his switch to ObiWan was odd as he made only one post about him before. I didn´t see anything that looked like a scumread in that post, so I thought VE was scummy.
It´s actually pretty unlikely that VE is scum now that ObiWan flipped scum, though.
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I´m too tired to do anything worthwhile tonight, so I´ll go to bed.
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On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote: Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.
Do you:
a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above Explain. Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE. It was about a previous scumread on VE.
On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote: So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point.
I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point.
But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work?
And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as:
Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout
and would like to hear from them in the thread Why do you have layabout in both lists?
Your half defense on me sucks. It keeps your options open and doesn´t commit to any real stance on me. That´s exactly the kind of "defense" I´d expect from scum.
##vote Exo
About my silence: Have you ever heard of a continent called Europe? heard that people sleep there sometimes (usually at night).
I won´t bother defending myself anymore. My time should better be spend on finding scum.
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On July 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: What about we do not kill mderg yet? hmmmm? Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched.
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On July 12 2014 01:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:27 mderg wrote:On July 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: What about we do not kill mderg yet? hmmmm? Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched. Well... The rules state that Palmar needs to say 12h in front of the end of a day. I don't know if we are already 24h or 48h in the day but w.e Could you just make your last post now? We are waiting for it and then we will hammer. Make it count broski. Give me like 2 hours, I still have something else to do.
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anyone who wants to hammer me before I make my lasts read doesn´t have town interests in mind.
I will begin to work on my reads post now, will take some time because of double-checking and shit.
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I won´t be in this thread for some hours. My reads:
Town
Koshi He´s been very active and pushing the thread forward. He´s also pretty clear and straight forward with his thoughts. Feels very different from the game we were scum together.
yamato I thought he was scum before but he´s actually done a lot for town. He was right about Cora and wanted to get ObiWan lynched. Was a central part of discussion and stated clear opinions on pretty much every major topic in the thread.
Toadesstern His D1 was very townie. He was on ObiWan and was clear about his intentions about iamp. In general I don´t think the major pushers of iamp are likely to be scum. It´s more likely to be the ones who just kinda went along with the lynch. I also see where he´s going with bm.
Leaning town
VE Mostly because he was on ObiWan. He also got called out by Robik for lying, I consider this to be more likely to happen to a townie. I didn´t like how he just went along with the iamp lynch. Overall I´d say he´s probably town.
Vivax I don´t really know why but I get a townie feeling about him. That I can´t see anything specific puts some small doubts in my mind, though.
Null but interesting
kushm4sta Going on about not reading his role pm sucks but is in no way alignment indicative. He was stating ObiWan as a possible lynch target which points slightly towards town but he didn´t push on that or any of the lurker lynch targets. He voted iamp without much reasoning (and wanted an early hammer? "Please let that be hammer. ") He was also not very active in the recent past.
Leaning scum
forumite He seemed kinda jumpy and made little sense at some points. He also had an immense activity drop after D1. That´s pretty much it. Slightly leaning scum on him.
Exo I don´t like his policy to not make reads D1 but he always seems to do that. Besides that he did very little to solve the game. I didn´t like his defense of me because he didn´t bring up any reason for why the case on me might not be so great and he even made a (bad) point against me. It´s not that he defended me, it´s that he didn´t defend me while still appearing to defend me. The only point speaking in his favor is the vote on ObiWan which I admittedly missed (I blame koshi for that because he didn´t let me catch up how I wanted to catch up)
Bill Murray His filter almost entirely consists of oneliners. He pretty much didn´t make any reads this game, sounds scummy, right? There´s also Robiks nightkill prediction but I don´t think that´s very strong. Then came his roleblock shenanigans. These make it very likely that he´s some sort of tracker, I think it´s more likely that this role is town aligned but in this setup this doesn´t mean much. Overall scummy.
Scum
HaruRH He was pretty inactive D1 but I´m inclined to believe his reason for that. I didn´t like how he pushed koshi´s lynch list while not really giving any reasoning on the lynch targets himself (except forumite, it´s unlikely that these two are scum together). I also didn´t like how he blindly sheeped Robik´s read when he was dead. That was really. His case on me was also pretty bad, some reasons he brought up are straight up wrong. Now that I´m most likely getting lynched he disappeared for whatever reason. Overall pretty scummy.
layabout The most important point is that he wanted me to be hammered. There´s no reason a townie would want that when I promised to share my reads before that. Worst case scenario would be that I flip scum and my reads mean nothing. So why not wait for my reads? He did exactly nothing D1. He then made some condescending post after iamp flipped then made some throwaway posts and fucked off. The case on me was at least substantiated even though there was no scum agenda in my posts. He wasn´t nearly as scummy as Haru and would normally be in the leaning scum category but wanting the hammer puts him down a lot.
Some thoughts about my general game: I think quite a bit of this lynch is related to how I was catching up, not playing in the present and such. With koshi "forcing" me to stop my catching up. This led to some oversights and inconsistencies in my play. Some unfortunate coincidents and some bad play on my side.
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On July 12 2014 05:05 layabout wrote: dude i havent even read everything yet but i have still manage to post about what is relevant
that was totally not worth the wait we should have just killed him there´s reads on 11 of 20 players left in the game. I think that´s worth it.
On July 12 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote: Question for mderg, why do you have layabout and Haru posted as scum but you voted for someone that you were leaning scum in such a knee jerk fashion? It would probably of been less scummy going for one of them rather than voteing exo like you did if you had such a scum read on them to. I voted Exo because his post looked awful at that moment. I don´t keep lists who is exactly how scummy all the time, so the vote was a decision for that moment. Also layabout wasn´t that scummy at the point I voted, he just got way down in my list because wanting the hammer. I could have changed the vote but that wouldn´t have changed anything. I will 99,9% be lynched anyway.
On July 12 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:town in world cupscum in detention mafiascum in Normal mini numberedtown in Glory seeker mafiaOk so here is some meta. If you look at the scum games you see that mderg starts a lot of sentences with "I think" "I don't think" "I don't like" etc. He doesn't do it in World Cup. He doesn't do it here. Sadly he does it a lot in Glory Seeker mafia as town as well. so meh. Anybody else seeing differences or similarities? Time to get some towncred and be useful guys! I do that all the time as either alignment. Sometimes more sometimes less but that doesn´t depend on my alignment.
On July 12 2014 05:21 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 05:12 layabout wrote: sorry 2 leaning town
if he is saying there are only 5 people he thinks could be town then he isn't keeping up i have about 12 Yeah, but you aren't on the chopping block. If he is town he might wants his reads to be really valuable. So he is not going to take the risk of calling people town whom he is not sure off. In your list of 12. Are these 5 the strongest townreads? nope, not close he doesn't have any of the townreads on people that have less presence or might get overlooked but have still done enough to look town for example sinani or alakaslam, you know the read that you get if you are paying attentionj behind or not. he has instead gone for people who tend to have more presence and attention like toad you and ve, the kind of townies that look more obvious to mafia since they are worried about people listening to them It´s funny how you mention those two. I think thread sentiment on them is town. So it´s unlikely they´d get mislynched.
There´s one vote missing on me, right? If you want I can hammer myself.
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On July 12 2014 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't hammer yourself, but if you want to claim now would be the time to do it. I would have done that already
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On July 12 2014 07:36 layabout wrote: Phone posting mderg if you read them as town and you were town you would have said
plus all this posturing about voting for yourself is typically something mafia said
can we flip him? Fuck all is going to happen and i am tired of waiting I never said that I read them as town. I mentioned them because they didn´t really fit your description about them.
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On July 12 2014 07:48 slOosh wrote: Also he is voting exo for not considering him scum. Doesn't make sense. The vote was cast for appearing to defend me without actually defending me.
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On July 12 2014 07:59 Koshi wrote: Mderg I am supertired. Why are you town?
Give us all the reasons. I´m honestly too tired to do that. The probability of me not being lynched is 0%
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