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On April 17 2014 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 08:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 17 2014 08:52 thrawn2112 wrote: ok, he does call koshi scum at the top.
but the problem is that the amount of effort need to write that post is disporportionate to how strongly OE felt about his koshi read. if someone makes that kind of post against koshi I expect them to push koshi, not ignore him the rest of the game Well I'm not going to speak for him so I don't know his motivation for it, it looks like he's a bit angry with Koshi if anything. I kind of have to go out now and won't be back before deadline. yo realize that you are wasting your vote? i'm obviously town and I'm not going to get lynched.
I do kind of like your return post (apart from the reads that weren't explained) and that was more along the lines of what I expected vivax to do when he entered.
I'm going to do a quick re-read of Tofu just to make sure but my vote is most likely to end up there.
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Ok yes, nothing in his filter strikes me as towny, in fact, quite the opposite. He discredits my case on you by saying it's all useless but then agrees that the case has merit and then leaves and still puts his vote on me.
He returns and then further discredits me in regards to Vivax but doesn't care what's said at that time either. He doesn't seem invested in finding scum.
##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu
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OneThousandWords Scum for looking for the FT lynch during the day and fucking off as soon as he safely could put his vote on FT.
On April 17 2014 20:28 Koshi wrote: OTW IS SO FUCKING SCUM HOLY FUCKING BALLS. HE IS SO FROM TL AS WELL. less certain. Still monies on HF.
1) Makes case on cav who is scum 2) agrees with kush case on cav. but x,y,z who are bullshit makes him town for some reason noboby knows, then adds some extra reasons to why cav is scum. 3) has a townread on cav out of nowhere 4) retracts townread on cav.
LYNCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I think you've gone a little bit crazy here. How is my vote on Tofu any different from your vote on Omni? When I had left all Tofu had done was discredit me based on a thrawn case that he hadn't properly understood and when explained to him he said "yes that makes sense" but then STILL voted me. That was not something I had expected a towny to do and if I was around my vote would still have been on Tofu.
So why is it that I am scummy for not being able to be here but YOU aren't scummy for doing the exact same thing on a player who could have easily been lynched at the time? Tofu was in the exact same spot as Omni when I left, low votes and not many people talking about him.
As for my read on Cav, I was thinking to myself "who was it that I townread" and Cav popped up for a post he made but I was a little hesitant for some reason in the back of my mind (I made that clear in my post). I then re-read him and realised that this wasn't entirely the case and I remembered the points Kush had raised and how some of them still applied and then I retracted it very quickly afterwards.
I'm still not from this forum, if you must know I was invited here by Greymist, who I've known for a while.
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On April 17 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: I can't agree on thrawn. Like. My reads are probably shit this game but no. That would be horrible.
I think what he did at lynch time was pretty scummy. There are some things I find odd about how that lynch went down:
Cavalinho (4): kushm4sta, Djagulingu, FirmTofu, thrawn2112
FirmTofu (2): mderg, thrawn2112, OneThousandWords, thrawn2112
First and foremost, Thrawn.
He originally started voting for Cavalinho for the reasons of PoE, not doing anything towny and being too formal. All reasons he was happy to push more and more come lynch time. + Show Spoiler +On April 17 2014 12:27 thrawn2112 wrote:-poe -he hasn't done anything townie On April 17 2014 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:I also think his stuff's all too formal, it hints that he's self conscious and he was in the thread around this time 24 hours ago. but where is he now? and I see what kush is saying now but I think that what's more telling is how tunneled cavalinho's been. if not for kush asking him abotu mderg then cavalin probably wouldn't have ever mentioned him. he only like to talk about his one scumread and he only has one reason for that scumread Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 14:30 Cavalinho wrote:On April 16 2014 14:22 ObviousOne wrote:@Cavalinho - admits he looks scummy, seemingly focuses in on FT for calling him scummy, lol. This thing regarding FT is pretty funny since the game is only like 10 pages long and it's the missing context that makes me think you're just clicking filters looking for an easy target. Need another scum read from you, mate. 1) I never said I looked scummy. I said I was inactive, and asking me to talk more is a reasonable thing to ask. 2) FT never even talked to me until I posted my vote on him. OTW was the one who made a read on me. 3) I said that the short case posted on me is, at best, null and silly, due to my three posts having no alignment-indicative information in them whatsoever If you're going to pressure me, at least get the details right. Cripes. and I think the red part is indicative of scum mindset On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 12:35 FirmTofu wrote: If I get lynched, I'm confident town will find its way. I'm just gonna wait for the flip now. btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched When I was around in the thread Thrawn had voted for Tofu with me based on reasons that looked pretty good, how he appeared to know more information than he should, how he scum read me based on nothing etc. but was seemingly thrown off of his scum read to a PoE read when the majority of people started building a lynch on Cavalinho (see initial votes).
Yet, all throughout the deadline time thrawn had been leaving both his options open:
On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 12:35 FirmTofu wrote: If I get lynched, I'm confident town will find its way. I'm just gonna wait for the flip now. btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched
This post implies that Tofu is not as strong as a scum read as his PoE read on Cavalinho but still wants to make it known that he has an option to switch if necessary, yet, out of some miraculous turn of events after thrawn had told both of them to post more stuff, very very shortly afterwards:
On April 17 2014 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: omg.
Cavalinho and FT
post stuff!
On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT
In the space of 2 minutes where not very much happened at all, where none of the people had posted anything worthy of a vote switch, thrawn decided that it was apt to switch to Tofu out of the blue. Here is what I think is the reason.
Cavalinho (4): kushm4sta, Djagulingu, FirmTofu, thrawn2112
FirmTofu (4): mderg, thrawn2112, OneThousandWords, thrawn2112, Cavalinho, Vivax
The votes reached 4-4 and there was going to be a no lynch, thrawn had already switched to Cav and gave his reasoning but suddenly Cav and Vivax added their votes to Tofu. This enabled Thrawn to jump onto Tofu very easily:
On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote ##vote firmtofu
I think Thrawn saw that it was looking to be a Cav lynch and I think Cav is scum with Thrawn. Thrawn seeing the inevitable push on Cav decided it would be better to take credit and be on his scum partners wagon than to be off of it and look suspicious. When the turn of events happened and people started to vote Tofu then Thrawn found the opportunity to switch his vote onto Tofu and save his partner.
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On April 17 2014 21:50 Koshi wrote: He still isn't scum though.
Why not?
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On April 17 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote: No just look at that filter. I don't see it happen.
What about the filter?
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On April 17 2014 23:23 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote:On April 17 2014 23:21 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote: thrawn can you answer OTW his case? There are some good parts in there. It should be cleared up. no there aren't. Sure there is. The part where you look like you want to lynch Cavalinho unless FT fucks off and you vote FT anyway. What happened there? ft fucked off. he told us it was ok for us to lynch him him to avoid a no lynch and then stopped trying to save himself.
So you're telling me he fucked off in the 2 minutes you gave him to respond?
On April 17 2014 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: omg.
Cavalinho and FT
post stuff!
On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT
even though in that time Tofu was the only one out of the 2 to be posting!
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So you have scum read Cav > Tofu at this point because you switched off of tofu to vote Cav when everyone was going onto him. At the time you make the statement that people shouldn't disappear and they should speak, yet Tofu is not off the table in terms of a lynch. You tell both people to speak up and talk.
Tofu is the only one to respond in this time whereas Cav is not around but then you vote for Tofu even though he was responding to everything being asked?
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On April 18 2014 01:05 thrawn2112 wrote:I wasn't impressed with FT's responses. he was being too passive, it didn't feel like a guy who was upset about potentially being mislynched. he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. it didn;t feel like he was trying to help at all. another big part of why I swtiched was vivax. especially this post Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 12:43 Vivax wrote:Question 1: Why does scum add the bolded to a post when they've already explained who they want to lynch? On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote: Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere.
I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players.
##Vote FirmTofu
Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well. Question 2: The point he makes about kush is actually quite valid if the representation is correct. On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote: Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer. On April 17 2014 03:37 Cavalinho wrote:On April 17 2014 03:34 kushm4sta wrote:On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote: Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer. How is that my only reason for thinking you are scummy? That is one of many reasons. From my point of view, it looks like that's what it boils down to. If there are more reasons, tell me what they are, because I don't see it. Also, what's up with my handle? >.> On April 17 2014 03:50 Cavalinho wrote:On April 17 2014 03:43 kushm4sta wrote: my case on cavalinho outlined
1. you think FT is scummy for answering a question thoroughly, rather than just saying "im null on that guy
2 you are calling FT scummy for one very unspecific, generic reason: He is writing a lot while not doing anything, basically. And you keep saying that in different words over and over again.
3 it looks nothing like your town game, where the reasoning behind your reads are much more in depth.
4 You are scumreading FT, when what you are scum reading them for, not taking a stance, mberg does much worse. Oh you had a secret scumread on mberg, ok... 1) It's not because he answered a question thoroughly. He didn't answer it thoroughly. He made a post that looked like he was doing analysis which boiled down to an analysis with no definitive conclusion. 2) His filter is less than a page long. He doesn't answer my questions and doesn't really respond to/deny accusations. It's possible he's genuinely afk, but I'm going to keep my vote on him until he convinces me otherwise. 3) Newbie games and regular games are two completely different things. Just because my reads aren't as elaborate as they were, that doesn't mean my reads were necessarily better then. The key difference is that I was outing my reads as a whole, rather than just scumreads. 4) You act like I was supposed to ignore mderg so I would look scummy, and then I admit I have a scumread on him too. This makes me scummy...How, exactly? I don't understand your logic. 1) His thoughts on FT: My thoughts 2) One more reason for his FT read. 3) He disarms the meta argument with something that sounds reasonable. 4) Here kush says he's scum for admitting to having a scumread on mberg when asked. How is that scummy? You guys don't even look at his defense, don't even reply to it. This wagon stinks of scum. And FT says "we should look into him" LOL. Still waiting on that miracle. also OTW wtf is up with you shitting on me for choosing the lynch you voted for? you think I shoulda gone with the other guy? apperently not, according to your vote.
I had imperfect information and was away from the deadline so could not ask questions or reaffirm myself, I also only voted based on the scummy way he pushed me for a lynch, whereas you were present and just declared ultimatums.
I knew you'd bring up that post but I fail to see how that specific post could be read in 1 minute and then you were able to process it all in that time and vote for Tofu straight away (1 minute between vivax posting that wall of quotes and text and thrawn changing vote - in vote thread at :44 too).
On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT
You also state:
he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. it didn;t feel like he was trying to help at all.
If this was the case then your posts at the actual time of the event were not true?
On April 17 2014 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote: tbh i don't feel that great about either of these lynches. something feels wrong
On April 17 2014 12:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 12:51 Cavalinho wrote:On April 17 2014 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote: tbh i don't feel that great about either of these lynches. something feels wrong Why? neither of you are fighting very hard
Here (^) it states that you think passivity is something that a towny does.
I wasn't impressed with FT's responses. he was being too passive, it didn't feel like a guy who was upset about potentially being mislynched. he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them.
Whereas here(^), your reason for voting Tofu was passivity.
If what you just say is true now, then Cavalinho absolutely should have been your top lynch choice, yet you went to Tofu directly after people started piling onto him.
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Cavalinho, when you first joined the game, you made this post:
On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 07:23 OneThousandWords wrote:I also find it odd how Cavalinho has chosen to respond to posts in the thread. His chose his first posts of the game to say hi and that he isn't going to comment on anything because nothing has happened. I find this in and of itself strange. When people first start the game they usually start to converse with people or even talk about policy, however, Cavalinho decided not to have any part of the conversation whatsoever. On April 15 2014 14:36 Cavalinho wrote:On April 15 2014 14:32 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 13:54 Cavalinho wrote: Hi. Right on, right on. What you thinking about right now? Nothing has happened yet. So...Nothing. Now, understandably we do not know the circumstances and I'd like to hear more from him but then he returns to the thread after quite some time to post, well, nothing. His only real post is a post to jump on discrediting OmniEulogy (whether justly or not). On April 16 2014 04:05 Cavalinho wrote:On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes. Uhh. Also I don't get the points in your post at all. I find this an odd behavioural tidbit because IMO this is not a townies mindset. I have three posts and you're scumreading me off them. That doesn't make any sense. I'd actually argue, but you have no real information to determine my alignment one way or the other. (Though, in all fairness, I have been somewhat inactive.) Oddness aside, I'm actually going to go ahead and say that I somewhat like this post in the sense that it feels like you're trying to generate discussion. Sure, it's wrong, but that happens. With the activity of the thread being so mediocre as it stands, trying to generate discussion is a pro-town move in my eyes.
Which was fair enough and it seemed like a way a towny would respond, however, practically your next post was:
On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote: Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere.
I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players.
##Vote FirmTofu
Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well.
How are the two events different? Why mention in the first place that reading someone as scummy from only a few posts is a weird thing for town to do (admittedly you town read me for it anyway) but then in your next post do the exact same thing?
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Also, I found it extremely odd at the time that Vivax had Cavalinho as his town read based on his filter (hence why I wanted him to expand on this) but then pointed out specifically just me for my initial post on Cavalinho and not Cavalinho on his post on FirmTofu.
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It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow
Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution?
He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch.
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On April 18 2014 02:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch. Captain obvious.
Has ObviousOne received some sort of captaincy? I was unaware.
Koshi, I know you posted a list of people you scum read earlier but subsequently it gives me the benefit of seeing that you are wrong on me. I pretty much agree with what you wrote about the other two though, so, replacing me who is your third? I'd wholeheartedly suggest thrawn but you seem to have a town read on him.
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Although that big post he made does give me slight hesitance. Will have to read the thread at the time of the lynch again to make sure when I get home.
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On April 19 2014 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote:mmk. I just read mderg's filter. I think he's town. His posts feel sincere and his arguments are logical. OO >> scum skan >> probably scum 3rd scum is hiding from me. probably OTW even though I don't feel that he's all that scummy. I want him to explain this: Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow
It does not matter anymore because Cavalinho has died, however, his death is not without some benefit. This now means that everything I've been thinking about (you/cav/x as mafia) is very wrong, so I apologise for the tunnel. I honestly thought I was onto something with my last case.
As for today, ObviousOne's contributions have been verbose ways to say he wants to lynch someone who is afk which is not the contribution I was looking for after not much participation on day 1.
##vote ObviousOne
Unfortunately I will not be present for the rest of the weekend, however, my activity will be much better from then on.
I would still like to hear from Skanjab1s regarding his vigilante claim into afking though.
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On April 20 2014 07:04 Koshi wrote: Wait. Why is thrawn not scum anymore?
I made the case that his switch onto Tofu was at a time to save his scum buddy Cavalinho. The fact that it was a lynch between two towns fully corroborated with Thrawn's story of events that he posted a while ago. I don't think a scum person has a motive to switch between both people like he did unless he was so unsure (like he stated) which is a towny mindset.
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On April 20 2014 08:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 06:52 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 19 2014 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote:mmk. I just read mderg's filter. I think he's town. His posts feel sincere and his arguments are logical. OO >> scum skan >> probably scum 3rd scum is hiding from me. probably OTW even though I don't feel that he's all that scummy. I want him to explain this: On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow It does not matter anymore because Cavalinho has died, however, his death is not without some benefit. This now means that everything I've been thinking about (you/cav/x as mafia) is very wrong, so I apologise for the tunnel. I honestly thought I was onto something with my last case. As for today, ObviousOne's contributions have been verbose ways to say he wants to lynch someone who is afk which is not the contribution I was looking for after not much participation on day 1. ##vote ObviousOne Unfortunately I will not be present for the rest of the weekend, however, my activity will be much better from then on. I would still like to hear from Skanjab1s regarding his vigilante claim into afking though. so why di you spend all your time tunneling me when it only made sense to call me scum if cavalinho was scum? and please explain what you meant even tho cavalinho is dead. i would stil like to know
Well I was pretty sure Cavalinho was scum from his play, he was defensive and focusing on just tofu and only defending himself. I thought his filter was too single track minded to be town and thought he would get lynched today to prove myself right on you so it was a sarcastic jab at yourself. It did not work out too well.
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It just felt like everything made sense when I made that case on you. (Un)Fortunately I was grossly wrong, hence, my reservation to explain due to mild embarrassment!
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Well, as far as I see the current game, it should be relatively simple.
1. thrawn2112 - Town 2. Vivax - Town 3. OmniEulogy - Vigilante
4. Cavalinho - Town 5. mderg
6. ObviousOne - Mafia 7. kushm4sta - Town
8. Djagulingu - Blue 9. OneThousandWords - Town
10. FirmTofu - Town 11. Skanjab1s 12. Koshi - Not so Town
Thrawn Been on him all game but Cavalinho being town means that the lynch between FirmTofu and Cavalinho was a town/town lynch in which case thrawn's self analysis of his thought process come lynch time was accurate and most likely leaves him as town: Thrawn's thought process is here.
Vivax I did not like his entry into the game, however, now that I know the lynch on day 1 was between town and town it makes his filter look a lot better. He was very aprehensive about the Cavalinho wagon gaining steam when people were joining the wagon but not questioning it or making cases: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=37#725. This post in paticular made me say, hey, this guy is right, there hasn't been a solid case on Cavalinho but people are still voting him while saying that they need to ask him more questions. This also shows a general overarching suspicion of FirmTofu growing.
He also looked at all of Cavalinho's posts in detail to point out specific points that actually made sense to people at the time and got them to switch to FirmTofu. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=39#761.
I don't think mafia puts themselves out there to that extent and does that kind of research into a lynch in a town vs town scenario lynch. He has also been trying to get discussions going in the past couple of quiet days. So I have a town read on him too.
mderg Mderg IMO is scummy. There isn't much stuff on his filter to go on and it seems to be like he has just been skating on through the game, mainly, he seems to have very little interaction to do with the day 1 lynch and his contribution to lynch actual scum (ObviousOne) does not exist. In fact, he voted Skanjab1s instead. His first post was contentless and summed up things that pretty much everyone had already said and then after quite some time of waiting and accusations being thrown around his second post does not really address much in the game at all and just consists of him answering randomq questions. He has weird pushes on Djagu (confirmed blue) for playing "the newbie card" but says it in a way in which it was not used (koshi? pointed this out) and then flits to trying to get the claimed vigilante lynched. In my mind I treated this guy as a confirmed vigilante, however, now that the actual vigilante has come out this puts all his accusations into incredibly suspicious territory. I've PoE'd the scum team to Skanjab1s and Mderg and I know this initially looks strange and I feel extremely aprehensive in doing so after making a connection theory with Thrawn and Cavalinho on day 1 but there is something off about the way Mder fought with Skanjab1s that just didn't seem natural. He pushes him for a long time of day 1 but then drops it altogether to lynch FirmTofu for reasons that are sheeped from other people. His interactions with ObviousOne are also very mediocre and no suspicion is raised about him. Then suddenly after having little to 0 participation in the day 1 lynch at night after everyone and their mothers starts calling ObviousOne scummy mderg says: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#956. This on it's own is not that bad BUT there was the post the NEXT DAY that does not compare with this: On April 19 2014 00:45 mderg wrote: He is a bit scummy. But there have also been some posts that put some doubts about that in my mind.
After saying that he agrees that ObviousOne is scum he says he has doubts (which he didn't mention in the night) and then quickly corrects that afterwards to say he has a scum read on ObviousOne (but still never votes for him over Skanjab1s).
I think Skanjab1s is truly busy and just told his team to lynch him and mderg took this to the next level and has been pushing him all game to look good for when he flips. His interactions with ObviousOne are strange and his read is not maintained through the game (in little space of time). I think mderg is scum.
kushm4sta kushm4sta started the game well, instead of jumping on hate trains he instead looked at the content behind these trains and decided to discuss them, I might be a bit biased because he defended me against a koshi onslaught but nevertheless he was actually convicted in his reasonings for lynching cavalinho (even if i didn't agree with some of the points) and was one of the only people to actually bring up reasons. He was questioning his scum read all through the game and was demanding answers to get a better outlook on his reads with posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#943 the only aprehension I have is that he PoE'd people and had a set list of people he thought was scum but then decided to add the person who was actually posting during quiet periods Vivax onto it. This didn't add up because Koshi was on his original PoE list but then he suddenly agreed with Koshi on Vivax which seemed a little odd. I still lean town on Kushm4sta though.
Skanjab1s
Skanjab1s is the other person that I think is scummy and yes, with Mderg. He initially claimed vigilante and that he did not have much time. This, I initially thought was towny, however, now I realise he legitimately does not have time and his activity is really low. This enabled him to have the perfect cover if he was mafia saying that "he did it to soak up actions", which was his response when I questioned him. I don't think the roleblock weighs in on his alignment though because like I initially said at the start of the game, mafia would most likely "block" a vigilante so if he was mafia he would need to feign being rb'd (sorry koshi I know you don't agree). Regardless, his filter seems very very defensive for someone who just claimed vigilante. He spends the entire time just bickering with Mderg but not in a way that looks like it comes from something natural. He just responds to points in a point by point answering fashion which is easy to do as mafia/mafia. His entire filter talks about nothing but mderg (a little of omni and kush) but then out of the blue he says this:
On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote: Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote: Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this.
He votes Tofu with very very little interaction, very little reasoning and then afk's until he returns on day 2 where he claims that he was roleblocked and votes ObviousOne because at this point he had to. I am pretty sure he is scum.
Koshi
Koshi is a wildcard and has an enormous amount of pages of filter. It's quite silly and makes it hard to read through but from what I remember/read in his filter he spends a lot of time just being aggressive in a way that he seems to be playing the game by himself. He spent a lot of day 1 not really listening to what other people had to say and just followed his own thoughts, he ignored posts that made sense as people being mafia on his town reads despite them making sense and then even started to come around to those thoughts later. He spent well over HALF of his filter arguing that an Mderg lynch was super terrible because it was a lurker lynch but then gave in and voted mderg and said he was going to afk because we are all terrible which is a super strange way to play. He then pushes me and calls me scum based on a difference of opinions on an earlier post on skanjab1's, after spending like 4 pages arguing about it he finally concedes that:
On April 17 2014 01:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 01:30 kushm4sta wrote: So OTW said something incorrect regarding mechanics. How does that make him scummy? OTW said something incorrect. The only point I want to make.
It was no longer scummy, just the I said something incorrect!?!??! His actions with ObviousOne also don't exist and probably the main thing I'd want to address is that he tries to get the cop to check ObviousOne:
On April 17 2014 20:33 Koshi wrote: This game is solved for me. Those 2 die. Make sure cop checks OO/Kush or somebody else you think is likely to be scum but unlikely to be lynched soon.
Koshi also says he will check ObviousOne's meta but never does and then says that WE should check ObviousOne's meta quite some time after that but ends up voting him instead of actually checking it when consensus was pretty set.
Vivax was also one of Koshi's top town reads and suddenly when it looks like scummy people like mderg or skanjab1s are getting lynched he switches to vivax being scum and tomorrow's lynch even though vivax was only one doing effort things in quiet period.
Now that I've written this bit on Koshi, I'm almost less convinced about a Skanjab1s/Mderg team and now more about an Mderg/Koshi team. Mderg was defended by Koshi really hard and much yelling was done. Today Koshi is pushing a lynch onto Skanjab1s and suddenly wants to switch onto his previous top town read Vivax for little nitpicky reasons.
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