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On March 26 2014 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:21 Holyflare wrote: In the first quote, he establishes that as mafia you would post a smiley after that first post. In NO game ever have you done that and believe me I checked almost every single game of your mafia games.
Maybe you should check again because this is untrue.
link me the abundance of times that this has happened and prove me wrong in your first few posts of mafia games
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because his initial read was your FIRST POST didn't contain a smiley, none of the games you have played as mafia ever contain a smiley in your first post so then he says it's your other posts that didn't convince him that you weren't town so then it's your other posts and not only your first post and THEN he says you haven't posted an out of place smiley in any of your posts
if this was his initial read it would stated first about the smiley thing in all of your posts, not just your first post
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Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least.
It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points.
this is not true
On March 26 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote: well that is what you are saying unless you are implying it to be true in future games instead and in that case it is badly phrased
On March 26 2014 14:29 Holyflare wrote: and then you in fact have a town read on someone that called out your alignment based on a smiley face when he said he's only ever seen you play mafia once and never seen you play town so this read is actually 0% true because it has no backed up relevance for him to say
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in the first instance he doesn't know what alignment it makes you and he could be wrong/right, in the second instance it's 70%
in this instance it's rayn top 100% town based on 1 post that didn't contain an out of place smiley
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On March 26 2014 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: He claims he knows my mafia play because he has seen it two times (and correctly called me out both of the times). Then he says he thinks i would put a smiley after my first post in case i was mafia and because i didn't to him it implicates i am town.
In the second quote he says this is his first game with me when i am town.
Where is the lie? He is not saying "rayn does this only as mafia and never does this as town". He is referring to this particular situation in this particular game. It's not a meta read as i already pointed out to you. Why is this so hard? He assumes my "tone" would be different if i was mafia. On March 26 2014 14:43 IAmRobik wrote:On March 26 2014 14:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's townMafia Rayn would end this post with On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote: I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations. these 2 posts contain an absolute lie No they don't. Let me expound: there are appropriate and inappropriate spots to use smiley faces. The two times Rayn was mafia, they were put in spots where they seemed forced to me. In my experience, it is more likely for mafia to post a smiley because they need to feign happiness. In the 2-3 mafia games that I've seen from Rayn, he's made a smiley emote that didn't sync with his post. It didn't jive well. I called him out on it. This game he didn't post a smiley. He didn't feel the need to. The one time that he did use it so far (that I've noticed), it was actually applicable. Like, you're going to read this and think it's shit and never believe it and never use it. That doesn't mean I'm not correct. You can claim whatever you want holyflare. You're wrong on Rayn. Rayn did this in one game but isn't doing it here is the very definition of meta The second quote is referring to this game and to another situation.
no the second game refers only to this game, he has NEVER seen you play town so had no idea about smileys and especially not from the first fucking post you made in the game
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i'm just going to drop this now, my reads are out there so people can read it. elaborate on your thrawn thing and prove that he doesn't jump to conclusions as town because he seems to be laying a trap for you
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you are dumb if you think i am mafia
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now tell me why thrawn is mafia with quotes and evidence
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On March 26 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the last time, this is what Robik is saying:
"In last two games i have played with rayn he put a smiley on a place it did not belong in one of his first posts. Both times i called him out of it and i think that is indicative of him being mafia if he does so because he was mafia in those two games and that felt so off to me. In those games - at first - i was not 100% sure if he is mafia because of it but i now trust i can read him based on that (because i was right twice already).
In this game, if rayn was mafia, i think he would have put a smiley after his first post of the game. He didn't, so i think it's indicative of him being town. He hasn't put a smiley in places they "do not belong" after that, and nothing in his posts seems scummy, so that strengthens my read. In fact, the post he used a smiley in this game i think the smiley belonged there and it was not forced (which is the scumtell i recognize from earlier games with him)."
Now why is this simple logic so fucking hard to understand?
because he doesn't say it like that so fucking drop it and tell me why thrawn is mafia
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On March 26 2014 16:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:34 Holyflare wrote:Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least.
It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points. this is not true On March 26 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote: (1) well that is what you are saying unless you are implying it to be true in future games instead and in that case it is badly phrased On March 26 2014 14:29 Holyflare wrote: (2)and then you in fact have a town read on someone that called out your alignment based on a smiley face when he said he's only ever seen you play mafia once and never seen you play town so this read is actually 0% true because it has no backed up relevance for him to say (1) So basically you have the same interpretation of that sentence now as I do? (2)But he has meanwhile explained his read, why is that not good?
you returned to the thread and the first thing you point out is how robik has not read a single town game of rayns
i question him on this, point out it's weird, question why rayn didn't pick up on it and then rayn makes a giant wall of text that says nothing other than he has a town read on robik who at this point looks like he is full of crap, he then further perpetuates that my case is "bad" has "shit logic" and then flat out tells me he will not talk to me anymore at all.
Later and ONLY later he then reveals his read on robik was based on past games where he gets town reads and not reads based on logic after all of those posts I had made that asked him to explain, asked why he didn't question. The first post I made he could have instantly pointed this out but he did not, he waited and argued and continued to make me try and point it out.
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On March 26 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare?
"thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise
so like i said, prove to me he is mafia
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On March 26 2014 16:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare? "thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise so like i said, prove to me he is mafia That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play.
i do not give a shit if it is a misrepresentation or not, that is what i remember without checking, i am asking you now to prove to me he is mafia so do it regardless of what you have said before because now i am listening
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On March 26 2014 16:54 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote: because his initial read was your FIRST POST didn't contain a smiley, none of the games you have played as mafia ever contain a smiley in your first post so then he says it's your other posts that didn't convince him that you weren't town so then it's your other posts and not only your first post and THEN he says you haven't posted an out of place smiley in any of your posts
if this was his initial read it would stated first about the smiley thing in all of your posts, not just your first post Again, you are either not reading correctly or twisting around words: Robik said "in the firsts post s, not the first post. Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town [red] Mafia Rayn would end this post with [red] On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town wins this belt.
and no, you are misreading. He says he would post a smiley emoticon after his FIRST POST and this is fucking redundant because my vote is on rayn for the reasons i have stated so many many many times
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On March 26 2014 16:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare? "thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise so like i said, prove to me he is mafia That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play.
and not it is not, i remembered correctly:
On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.
thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.
On March 26 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote: phagga:
I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly
apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia.
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On March 26 2014 17:08 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 16:54 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote: because his initial read was your FIRST POST didn't contain a smiley, none of the games you have played as mafia ever contain a smiley in your first post so then he says it's your other posts that didn't convince him that you weren't town so then it's your other posts and not only your first post and THEN he says you haven't posted an out of place smiley in any of your posts
if this was his initial read it would stated first about the smiley thing in all of your posts, not just your first post Again, you are either not reading correctly or twisting around words: Robik said "in the firsts post s, not the first post. On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town [red] Mafia Rayn would end this post with
On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town wins this belt.
and no, you are misreading. He says he would post a smiley emoticon after his FIRST POST and this is fucking redundant because my vote is on rayn for the reasons i have stated so many many many times That's only half his post, are you not reading the rest or what? You're the one still pushing the point with the first post and the smiley, so why is it suddenly redundant?
because my vote is not on him it is on rayn for doing everything that he just did, also the fact that when i questioned robik his first response was:
On March 26 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:06 Holyflare wrote:Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on. On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote: witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that [red]rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who. ##Vote Palmar I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss).
This implies that his read on rayn was based on his first post and I established that the smiley stuff that he brought up later was to do with his FIRST POST and not his later posts which he only mentioned after i questioned him. Like I said, it's a lie because rayns first post never contains a smiley face. I've said this all before.
Phagga, what do you think of rayns logic on thrawn? You haven't commented on any of it, only about me.
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On March 26 2014 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Someone explain why thrawn's post is full of shit. You get +100 townie points.
are you going to say about him voting you before that post because it isn't true
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On March 26 2014 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:17 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Someone explain why thrawn's post is full of shit. You get +100 townie points. are you going to say about him voting you before that post because it isn't true ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? what....the....fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
i think you mentioned that somewhere
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On March 26 2014 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think we need to policy lynch Holyflare for the sake of this game's sanity. But only on D2, D1 we lynch mafia. I am not sure if Holyflare is mafia (inb4 he claims "rayn knows i am town").
yes "I trolled you to get reactions" was really something that doesn't make me angry at all
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On March 26 2014 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly
so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.
and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.
so what is going on? this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me. Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.
this post you say it's because he voted you before all of this and he just stated why he voted you for all of this so I was saying if you meant it like this, you were wrong, so please enlighten us instead
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