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On December 06 2013 15:07 Mocsta wrote: Which is why I say it's not exactly proof of my townieness.See I disagree. Ok you're 2 town reads for 2 town reads. But finding town doesnt equate to finding scum -- it just narrows PoE. This is a funny way to sell that your scum reads are viable. But one problem you have is that I'm calling people town. Or at least, that's what your earlier post reads like. To the extent you don't like the people I'm reading as town, IF I'm town, despite having mostly town reads, my town reads have been good this game. | ||
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On December 06 2013 16:08 Mid or Feed wrote: He'll always be numero uno in our heartsCompletely (mostly) unrelated but I just re-stumbled on some nostalgia. Enjoy. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=316408 Also I totes just carried the shit out of VE in LoL. Carry on. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=301830 | ||
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On December 06 2013 18:36 supersoft wrote: I think that when I'm absent, I should post thoughts. There are thoughts on a mass claim plan. Always proposed, never carried out. Do you think my sentiments in that post seem legit? I think it makes sense to post thoughts on mass claiming as either alignment, so yeah, makes as much sense as scum as it does as town.austin, do you think a post like this helps the town? Do you think it makes sense to post this as scum? insecure. Insecure? Please. I can handle that dude all day. Oh. -ure, not insec. Nope. If someone is going to "can i ask you something" WITH A SMILEY, and then ask "are you mafia?", I'm not just going to say "No." Gotta have a little fun back. Also, still not korean. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:37 Mocsta wrote: Hi there!hes talking about lynching MZ, and associates Rean in the same sentence. Clearly, from what I wrote above, he was stating a waivering read with Rean. How is that a misinterpretation, let alone scummy Kush. Rean has done SOMETHING since I posted originally about roffles. Yes? He has tunneled me for no given reason, tickled me, and continued to do nothing else. This is a thing with which I can analyze him, update my read. He looks less scummy than before. Is he a paragon of townieness? Would you LIKE to argue that he's a paragon of townieness? Cuz I don't think he is, but he has finally done One Single Thing, and it's a curious thing for mafia to do. Roffles, on the other hand, has done nothing since his D1 reads. So all I have to read Roffles off of are his D1 posts and his reads. He disliked MZ, that's still fine. He found Rean scummy. Rean was scummy. Rean COULD STILL BE scum. It's less likely than before, but it's a wee bit difficult to swap an entire read based on a dude just tunneling you and doing zero else. While he's DOING something now, it's still not really playing the game, doesn't feel like playing the game. He's just not the tip toppiest target, and if he gets 1 new read every day, soon he'll have like 3 or 4. But anyway, all I can do with Roffles right now is say that I liked his D1 reads. To the extent they're actually smelly, regardless of what I think about Rean right now, I would think Roffles is more likely to be mafia than if he's correct in his scumreads. It's not a magical attempt to lynch A after B. It's showing that I've read A, and this is my interpretation of A's filter. Like, without saying "he's kind of a dick/confrontative," what's your read on roffles and what is the most important thing he's done all game? | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:46 Mid or Feed wrote: austinmcc (7): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, On December 06 2013 23:47 kushm4sta wrote: this lynch must be stopped Cough. | ||
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Early on, he faked being a parity cop and happened to catch a 3P with a fake different check. Based on that game, he seems pretty content to do whatever he wants as mafia, including...just making stuff up for no reason. In towngames, he has also said his scumplay is just to find scummiest thing and point it out. Rinse and repeat. Assuming he was being entirely truthful as a townie, he is more than willing to bus teammates if they look scummier than townies. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote: I don't see boatloads in roffles D1 filter. There's a small amount of reads though, and that's what there is to go on. hmmm. still reads as a -> b -> c to me but ok. look I get the change in stance in rean. completely acceptable. its why i was surprised u still talked a out him flipping scum. if its not a then b then c what scenario does it make sense for a riffles flip? If he's only posting about like 3-4 people, I wouldn't think he's posting about scumbuddies. And he leans decent on MZ, brings him up a bunch. MZ, jay, and gtrsrs are the folks he talks about. If MZ is mafia, I don't THINK that out of a tiny tiny subset of people, roffles brings MZ up that much and calls him scummy. Side not that, in his reasons for MZ being mafia, it's partially because people got suspicious of MZ and MZ got hostile. From a dude who...seems to be universally known as pretty hostile. That makes it seem, to me, like a legit read, because I don't think you call someone scummy for a characteristic you're known for if you're mafia? But if MZ town, then the not talking about scumbuddies argument is weaker. Rean isn't in roffles's filter, but seemed legitimately upset at roffles's kill yourself post. Just gut, that was not a scum on scum reaction, you don't even halfway try to get your scumbuddy banned. You may chew them out in QT, tell them to knock it off before you lose a scum to modkill, but I don't think you go in thread that hard half-asking for a scumbuddy to get disciplined. That's also ALL of rean's personal interaction for D1 basically, he doesn't give much, if anything, in the way of commentary on anyone else. Again, odd if scumbuddies. So I think a roffles flip makes sense if...probably neither of rean/MZ are scum. You don't immediately flip him, but there are these connections that I draw to roffles based on his filter and rean's reaction. Otherwise, his filter is pretty bare and limited in scope, he has an iffy defense of gtrsrs (doesn't give a crap cuz he didn't get kha'zix, entirely speculative but also feels maybe right), etc. TL;DR ---- Roffles's filter doesn't give me super happy thoughts. BUT I draw connections to MZ and Rean off his filter. If either of those is scum, I don't think he's likely to be scum because of the interplay between them. It's mostly that, the...negative side of things? If either of those two is scum, he's unlikely scum. If neither of them is scum, then I don't love his filter and he's lost the connections that might make him town for me. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: +1 and +1 Scumaustin would know he wasn't in a position to line up shit. Yes mocsta, it implies I would be looking at roffles for a lynch in that case. But right now, you're speculating that, essentially, I would take a stance on D2 based on some connections, and then would just hammer it through after AT LEAST 2 flips. If rean and MZ both ever flip, and both flip town, and I post nothing but Roffles's D1 filter and say he should be lynched, then 10000% kill me. If I'm trying to railroad someone that far down the line by pointing out early stuff, sure, I'm mafia trying to set up mislynches. But holy balls. It feels like you're both speculating that I'm saying "No matter what ever happens, I'm lynching this dude if x occurs." Maybe he actually posts. Maybe he's got a champ that semi-clears him. Who knows? We'll find out later. All I can say is his posting so far doesn't do much for me, but I don't think he's mafia if either of those two are. At the very least, how do you feel about how I'm drawing connections? You okay with the logic behind why I think he's not scum if either of them are? | ||
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He might be trying to determine Koshi's alignment, but so what? He's barely talking to anyone else at that point. If he really thinks Koshi ain't getting lynched, why is Koshi's alignment the #1 priority and not.....anyone else who might be scum/lynched? I think there's some merit to the fact that he doesn't PUSH anyone either. Again, look at all his posts on LSB. He does sort of the same thing as with Koshi, except LSB isn't unlynchable. Just a lot of picking and calling things scummy, but there's never really that final conclusion where you feel comfortable someone has a scumread and wants to lynch it. Look at sandro trying to lynch me, maybe onegu on Odin. Even if both are wrong, they're finding someone, writing cases-ish, and pushing that guy. Asking for comment, seeking consensus. MZ is wasting his time on Koshi because he's not going to do any of that if Koshi ain't lynchable. geript also found MZ scummy for other reasons, would be interested to see MZ's thoughts on that. Overall, no. His hopping in, defending self a little, and then dipping out doesn't really move my needle. | ||
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And while he says My interactions with him are not about randomly shitting on him, they were trying to get him to help us. Like if you look at it that's primarily what I'm after. I don't think I agree with that?On December 05 2013 01:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Starts off okay with killing koshi.you know what, fuck your role I am absolutely ok with killing koshi right now. Seriously how hard is it to do ANYTHING AT ALL TO HELP THE FUCKING TOWN? Like if you're not gonna play then why join the game. On December 05 2013 02:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So the content of what he posted doesn't matter, only that he posted? Well broadcast the fucking message to the scum team, all you guys need to do is post a halfassed analysis and koshi will call you town. KOSHI GIVES A READ ON JAY, i.e. is playing the game and giving reads, and MZ dumps on it. MZ says he wants koshi to help us, but the moment koshi DOES give a read, dump dump. On December 05 2013 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wat? Your first paragraph literally makes no sense.] And now you think he's town? Your paragraph makes no sense. Not "what are you saying here", not really specifically questioning and trying to figure out what koshi is saying. Just "you make no sense and I'm going to implicitly mock your read" On December 05 2013 02:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's not about what jay wrote, it's how koshi responded. You actually thought about what jay wrote and considered the point he was making in the scope of the game. koshi couldn't be assed to do anything like that. I am incredibly frustrated and fed up with koshi right now. Frustrated and fed up. During the time he was talking to koshi, he went from WOULD LYNCH to FRUSTRATED AND FED UP. At no point do I read him really trying to get Koshi involved and doing townie stuff. (Side note: MZ does poke at kush a little bit during the koshi thing, it's not 100% koshi interaction, but he's asking kush why kush thinks kurumi is mafia given that kurumi asked to be deadified. That's a fine, but SUPER EASY, question to ask) | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:24 Mocsta wrote: It applies because active and townie into do-nothing is something that I see from a lot of players that get scrutiny. You come out the gate townie, play a lot of D1 looking town, and then you start to trail off, because you really just needed the initial town reads on you.Austin does the above apply because itsnscummy, ornbecause mz knows better? out of the above, I find the LSB stuff quite damning I admit. I still think the koshi stuff is ok It's a piece of a pattern, where he comes out with a gtrsrs discussion case, gets some stuff rolling, is chatty and whatnot. Then he just kind of pokes around VE being town and LSB being scum, but without those same A TOWNIE IS DOING THIS feels. Then he pokes at koshi. Then he doesn't really do anything. It's not just inactivity, I can't call anyone out on that, but it's a pattern from a townie-looking start into just tailing off. I find that progression scummy in a veteran player, because I've seen it a couple times. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:36 Mocsta wrote: Both. I think super early cases are helpful to town, but generally as discussion starters and not as trusty scumreads.the reason I asked if its scummy is cos half the thread went hard at the start and then tapered where this is specific to mz is that really early ve read and like u said early case on gtr hmmm so u don't buy his reasons for the early case, or you are assigning scum points due to tapering ativity? I think he had decent reasons for calling gtrsrs out, but to build a case and push gtrsrs then into not really doing as much on LSB or koshi or whoever else he may think is mafia, that's the bigger bit. | ||
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The heal doesn't even matter, I'm willing to buy that someone shottified him, and nobody is claiming it. Whether he took 250 or whatever, or the full amount and got healed a little, that's a LOT of damage for there not to be scum damage in it. Unless you really think he's lying about the damage, he's likely to be town. Pretty sure that in other games with HP and incremental damage, scum never actually shot themselves despite that being thrown around all game, and people who got shot with partial KP early were just getting any leftover stuff scum had. Off head, chrono trigger and PTPokemon Mafia both had HP and partial KP, and in both mafia didn't shoot themselves to try to fake people out. | ||
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Host folk, is there a list anywhere of what each role did, the stuff we did not see? Or is that being held for possible future use? I'd be interested in what Morde's other skill was, was hoping for some ult action and not kp, but wasn't sure. I picked Karma --- 95% because the description of her power mentioned a "non-anonymous mason" and I was hoping hoping hoping that a mantraed mason would be anonymous. Big thanks hosts for making a ridiculously complex game have only player-side issues and no host-side issues (that I saw?). | ||
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On December 25 2013 05:45 WaveofShadow wrote: : (Sorry austin, info is locked in the vault for potential future use. I will say this though, there were potential anonymous masons in the game. | ||
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