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Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town.
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On September 24 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote: Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town. Do you base your read on me on what FirmTofu is in your opinion going to flip? Pretty interesting as you had a town read on FT on D1. Your scumread on FT now seems to be based on OMGUS rather than his actions. Why exctly do you think i am scum, and why exactly do you think FT is scum?
We had a discussion earlier about that. You deflect a lot with questions without attaching your opinion. It was even scummier when you voted Chairman Ray and also didn't attach much of your opinion. I can't find you making any move like that at the end of the day.
So you are a separate and more solid read to me than FT.
FT tried to make a case on me as scum when he realized he was under heavy fire. It was weak. He also tried to swap vote to Chairman Ray there at the end. So my read changed, yes, for two pretty good reasons.
I realize the possibility of reading Chairman Ray wrongly, but doing so combined with his case on me makes him read very scum to me. Obviously I can't easily lend that perspective to you. I'm trying now to establish people's earlier scum reads on FT in my mind and see if I can make a connection, but I'm pretty busy for the moment
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On September 24 2013 00:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote: Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town. Cephiro is one fucker I forgot about . Thnx. Lastly, I dont understand your comment on me regarding Chair. If its personality based, surely I can do it as town or scum, no? So is the lack of suspicion then founded on being a prior town read?
Yes you are one of my more solid town reads from earlier. Yamato's suspicion changed that a little, but not from much I could see myself.
I mentioned I have a read on your personality, earlier. I'm imagining how you would read Chairman Ray, and how you would switch off him. Given it was a good move and it fits my image of your personality to do so as town, I'm trusting my personality and town read on you. They're separate but are supporting each other so far
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With FT, at first I had a genuine vibe from him, a distracted town catching up and giving decent points along the way. I found them similar to mine at that point.
After he disappeared and came back into the game (again) I didn't get a "town catching up" vibe, I got a scum "I have to make myself look townier, quick, something" vibe. When someone tries to make a case on me based on "fluff" and also votes Chairman Ray very late, obviously from my point of view they look very scummy.
That gives VE some good circumstances to drop from my scummiest reads--which would give me a better context read on FT since part of my town read on FT was how he read VE--but I don't know what to make of VE's posts now. There is no drive in those posts, town or scum.
VE what are your specific thoughts about FT?
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On September 24 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote: Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.
I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.
(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents.
From the point of view of a busy townie, it does make sense though. Imagine yourself lightly touching the game in between focus on something else, and how it affects your reads.
Is there any meta to establish Cephiro would play a simplistic "busy town" scum rather than really be interested in playing properly if he rolled scum?
Sure could be scum, more likely than a lot of people, but I have nothing to personally build a scum feel.
I'd prefer a shot on someone who voted Chairman Ray (and Cephiro made a special note to say he should not be killed). FT top on my priority. I do see the reasons people mistakenly went on Chairman Ray, but I really don't expect less than 2 scum on him
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Ugh that tells us next to nothing I can see.
With an FT shot, either way he flipped he would have yielded tons of information. Red: Rayn would be confirmed scum to me. Sentinel, pretty much confirmed. Geript a lot more suspect, for all intents and purposes confirmed. Kush a lot more suspect. And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter.
Some Mocsta and LoneMeow voters would get a lot more alignment-indicative. And we'd basically have four confirmed town who voted FT besides Chairman Ray.
Green: the playing field would be a lot more open, but it would make a lot of other people read townier than they are (yes, I'd look significantly scummier, I wanted to take that risk)
That's just off the top of my head
What does this tell us? Do we just hope that the next 48 hours doesn't let us convince ourselves to get out of an FT lynch?
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Time to read dead people's filters and fine-comb the night phase, I suppose. But first sleep.
Have a good morning guys
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On September 24 2013 18:43 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 18:27 Pandain wrote:On September 24 2013 18:20 FirmTofu wrote:On September 24 2013 16:56 Pandain wrote:On September 24 2013 12:52 Pandain wrote: Firm out of curiosity what made you change your read on Zaragon? The way he responded to my accusations. Just felt like a townie response to me. I also know that my case wasn't the strongest evidence-wise, so I am willing to consider other options as well. Like what. How did it feel like a townie response? I assume you mean Marv convinced you your argument was flawed? No, marv and I disagreed on my heuristics. I changed my read on Zaragon independently of anyone else. ............... Ugh. I just read his filter again and he's back in scum territory. I don't remember why I changed, but this guy is still scummy imo. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:16 Zaragon wrote: Ugh that tells us next to nothing I can see.
With an FT shot, either way he flipped he would have yielded tons of information. Red: Rayn would be confirmed scum to me. Sentinel, pretty much confirmed. Geript a lot more suspect, for all intents and purposes confirmed. Kush a lot more suspect. And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter.
Some Mocsta and LoneMeow voters would get a lot more alignment-indicative. And we'd basically have four confirmed town who voted FT besides Chairman Ray.
Green: the playing field would be a lot more open, but it would make a lot of other people read townier than they are (yes, I'd look significantly scummier, I wanted to take that risk)
That's just off the top of my head
What does this tell us? Do we just hope that the next 48 hours doesn't let us convince ourselves to get out of an FT lynch? I can't believe I missed this post. How exactly is rayn confirmed scum if I flip red? Rayn always busses his teammates when he's scum. He sure as hell isn't going to hard-defend me when I'm the most likely person to get lynched on day 2. Awful logic. I'm not sure as to how Sentinel is even related to me. Basically all he's doing is making pre-flip association cases that are likely to amount to shit. It's a terrible way to play. The only thing I like about this post is "And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter." I actually agree with this. I was a good vig shot considering the circumstances of the lynch. Those who try to dissuade the town of that are quite simply anti-town.
I had no idea about that meta on Rayn, can anyone verify? I suppose I might believe it since he'd set himself up for that with his playstyle
I'm slightly frustrated if my scum read on him is mostly because he keeps deflecting with questions, and he's just always been doing that and no one commented on my read
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Your filter to me reads like this: ask question, gauge reaction, give opinion based on reaction. Sometimes ask multiple questions, give opinion if one leads in the right direction. The few times you went opinion + question at once, it didn't feel substantial to me. Feels like a scum way to play, even if its not an unreasonable way to play as town; as I said you were only slightly suspicious to me at first. Until the end of the day when you felt aligned with FT and voted Chairman Ray, at which point I felt you would be confirmed scum if FT flips scum.
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On September 24 2013 10:59 Pandain wrote: Coag dont shoot Vayne if he was mafia he would care about gettng shot
On September 24 2013 11:00 yamato77 wrote: Please do kill him
On September 24 2013 11:01 kushm4sta wrote: ya please kill him. I have seen him do this i dont care shit before i think when we were on a sucmteam toghter
Yamato and Kush, can you explain your reasoning here at the end of the night phase?
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On September 24 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 20:15 Zaragon wrote: Your filter to me reads like this: ask question, gauge reaction, give opinion based on reaction. Sometimes ask multiple questions, give opinion if one leads in the right direction. The few times you went opinion + question at once, it didn't feel substantial to me. Feels like a scum way to play, even if its not an unreasonable way to play as town; as I said you were only slightly suspicious to me at first. Until the end of the day when you felt aligned with FT and voted Chairman Ray, at which point I felt you would be confirmed scum if FT flips scum. That's how you are supposed to play lol. So i am scum because i ask questions and make conclusions based on answers, and because i did not vote for FirmTofu whose alignment you don't even know. that's really weak dude.
I told you, your play itself only made you lean slightly scum for me. It felt like you were hiding more of your thoughts than I felt is truly towny. Questions to me are interrogation tools, but I haven't felt you balance them out with reads that could not be constructed on your responses.
I'm now asking if someone besides FT can verify your meta, because if you play like this all the time I have much less on you.
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On September 24 2013 20:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw Zaragon i already talked about me bussing as scum with Koshi on N1. Are you even reading my posts? I even posted a game which you should have looked at if you think i am scum.
I had glanced at Desert and Catch 22. Doing a more careful pattern read on you now since I realized I had only compared endgames
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On September 24 2013 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wasn't scum in Desert.
That's why I compared two games where I knew your alignment and tried to get a better meta read on you.
You see, your proportion and timing of opinion/reads an questions in Desert is exactly what I would like to see. Catch 22, you look like you did when I had my first scum read of you, more questions and giving yourself more space to reevaluate based on them before putting yourself out there. You're starting to land somewhere in between--like I said a while back, you started to give a lot more substance. Comparing early game play more carefully, you do look somewhat less scummy to me.
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On September 24 2013 21:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 21:04 rposelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"? Will provide more when I'm home. Too hard on phone. But in short. His post came about 3 to 4min after night post. Thoughts are too coherent for new Info I think. Consider time to refresh , read post with lots of flavour, and think about outcome, plus type. Pandain admitted to being a slow typed too. I'm saying, his point of view is based on info town did not have. Exacerbated when questioning why yam wasn't shot. For me personally, he wasn't a solid night1 kill. So yeah. Dunno when I will be home. Plus coming from a port tasting night. So to be honest. I'm a touch hammered. On a side note. Vintage port IS incredible.
At first I was thinking, I liked Pandain's night phase play, and the quick response to the flips could be adrenaline over a clear feeling that the vigi shot was going wrong. But as I'm thinking about these points... I was feeling the same way I thought Pandain was feeling about people aiming the VA shot, and I don't see how he shifted gears that fast as town and made that post
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On September 24 2013 23:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:18 Zaragon wrote:On September 24 2013 21:21 Mocsta wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 24 2013 21:04 rposelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"? Will provide more when I'm home. Too hard on phone. But in short. His post came about 3 to 4min after night post. Thoughts are too coherent for new Info I think. Consider time to refresh , read post with lots of flavour, and think about outcome, plus type. Pandain admitted to being a slow typed too. I'm saying, his point of view is based on info town did not have. Exacerbated when questioning why yam wasn't shot. For me personally, he wasn't a solid night1 kill. So yeah. Dunno when I will be home. Plus coming from a port tasting night. So to be honest. I'm a touch hammered. On a side note. Vintage port IS incredible. At first I was thinking, I liked Pandain's night phase play, and the quick response to the flips could be adrenaline over a clear feeling that the vigi shot was going wrong. But as I'm thinking about these points... I was feeling the same way I thought Pandain was feeling about people aiming the VA shot, and I don't see how he shifted gears that fast as town and made that post Pls help me out here. quick response to the flips could be adrenaline over a clear feeling that the vigi shot was going wrongI'm not even sure what this means or infers... My initial reaction was.. wtf.. why is blazinghand shot?Then Waveofshadow makes a lot of sense (solid town read to a lot of ppl, but minor thread presence, so unlikely to be medic protected) -> Safe. BH shot to me is either (bluesnipe OR safe shot on someone scum respect) Which raises a separate questoin... who would be scared of BH that is in this game? (answer is no one ) .. so im leaning towards blue snipe attempt Point being; Pandain is meant to be a slow, methodical poster that has a high content:post ratio.... This juxtaposes against the word "adrenalin".. I dont even know how you could entertain this notion in the first place.
I'm a slow methodical poster; I was full of adrenaline at that point. I could have posted something much faster than normal if something had made sense to me. But I was also confused by the kills and still stuck on why people switched to VA for vigi target, thus why I said I found it strange how he could shift gears that fast if he is town. We are agreeing, I was just supplying a personality read.
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On Mattchew, I have a hard time reading anything into his posts or actions; he feels consistently silly and uninvested to a point where it doesn't make sense as either town or scum.
All I have is someone else's meta to make him lean scum, and his crap poster/lurker combo to make him useless. I don't think it's enough for my vote; I'm trying to de-tunnel FT but barring any startling revelations I expect he'll be my vote.
Cheesecake, could you expand on your reads on myself, Sentinel and FT please?
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On September 25 2013 21:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:36 geript wrote: Ok so here's where my mind's at. The night kills were super odd in many ways. I'm assuming that the NKs were Yam/BH/Wos; we could make an interesting argument that BH/VA/WoS were the shots and that Coag is actually scum, but I see very little reason to do so there. Yam/BH/WoS isn't awful I guess. but with both VE and Marv in a game I'd fully expect if both of them were town that both of them would be targeted as it's unlikely that both would be medic'd. In the very least I'd expect a doublestack on one of them and then a freebie shot at BH.
Here's the problem that I'm seeing: town got into a shitty place on D1 which is amazing for scum (yes part of that is my fault) and the best priority for scum in this type of situation is to do their best to keep it that way. So the highest priority for scum is not to remove blues but rather to remove people who can bring the thread on track. WoS is ignored half the time despite being a decent player. Yam can bring a thread on track but just as often derail a thread into "No You're scum" posting. Vayne (if he was a scum shot) is intentionally worthless until endgame.
Rather my priority as scum would be to remove active quality players of which the available shots would be: VE, Marv, DP (prior to rage quit), Mocsta, Rayn and a few others. So what's the point in shooting WoS or Yam/Vayne over any of those five. I'm honestly not seeing it. There's a shit ton of scum (6); there's an amazing KP rate (1/2 round up), town seems to be mostly inactive. Where's any sort of benefit of not trying to remove the "get on track" type people to keep the thread in a clusterfucked situation?
I've only seen odd kills like this in two drastically different situations: mostly inactive scum where NKs going through is far more important than anything else and mostly active experienced scum where they need a bit of time to hide before it becomes obvious. I'm not sure that Mattchew is right about Marv, but I really think that we should be taking hard looks at Marv/VE/etc. again because I'd bet that a number of the "pro scummers" are scum. This is wrong and dumb. VE wasn't a good shot because he did nothing until today. Marv has been passed over for NK many times. I've been shot before him in Les Mafia. WoS was clearly town, and BH was a replacement with the possibility of being good for town (maybe). Saying VE/Marv are worth looking into because they are alive is stupid.
I has some merit. I don't see how VE was even in a position to be NKed, and he's never given me much of a town read. If he's established as a better player than that, then I don't want to forget my pattern-based read on him early on.
Marv has felt town all along, but he was part of the mistake for the Chairman Ray vote. That's not much to go on, but logically he would fit in a FT scum team considering the direction of his play. I'm doubting that as yet, though I wish I had a better feel for how he's read FT.
Partly related to that, I liked Mattchew's posts. Doesn't show any deeper analysis of the game, but I can buy his playstyle now as town just wanting to be right at the end if Marv flips scum.
That said, I'm just not reading Marv as scum. So he would only serve as a logical puzzle piece in the Chairman Ray vote switch if we had a real scum panic situation at the end of day one because of the deadline mishap. Not likely (the Marv part, obviously I've shown I think the scum panic situation is likely) but I don't want to rule it out: let's not rule out anyone who isn't confirmed town.
The only reason I'm addressing this is because I haven't liked the thread sentiment during this day (I read up to date on the game twice yesterday without posting since I was stopping myself from getting stuck on FT and Rayn, evaluating non-FT scum link possibilities, but nothing I've seen has sold me on anyone else as priority)
iamp:
For my vote on VE being meaningless to you: it was what I believed to be several hours before deadline and I needed sleep. I hoped it would get traction, because he was by far the scummiest read to me.
I said the case on Sentinel wasn't great then, and it wasn't--for a lynch. Doesn't mean he can't lean scum for me.
I had no interest in throwing a vote on a wagon to "look townier" when I had a good scum read.
On Pandain:
I've liked some of his posts, but never his posting pattern. I've considered that he could be similar to myself in play, except that notion sort of collapsed when he posted in short bursts of only minutes apart for the night phase and just after the flips. Means some of his posts could read as playing with an information advantage, and I need to check it more thoroughly
Out of game note: + Show Spoiler +I'm posting less as I'm having problems with this game; Multiple Sclerosis affects my memory and concentration and I'm having some worse days. I'm mentioning it because I've had a lot of "weird" and "fluff" comments that you might want some context to (I take zero offense).I'm still of course firmly going to ask that if you think I'm scum, lynch me without reservations. I hope to be more active tonight or tomorrow.
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I don't like how we've shifted off people who voted Chairman Ray. It's almost impossible for us not to find scum among those names, and we already know (most probably) yamato77 is town among those.
I'd be ok to vote Rayn, Sentinel, or geript, even if they vary very much in scumminess for me (I wrote them in order) and get information, but obviously I want FT more. To me both the most likely to flip scum and the biggest yield of information.
Why should we dismiss the very real possibility of a scum panic situation that reveals several likely scum for a minor player without many links to anyone? Is he really that much more scum than anyone with day 1 vote that would prove significant for the coming day? Someone who voted LM feels considerably less relevant when we don't know LM's alignment as certainly as Chairman Ray's--that includes LM himself
That's where I'm at. I've been unable to focus on the game, so I'm questioning myself, but I'll go with my reads, logic and gut as they've been; they were clear
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On September 26 2013 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 08:55 Zaragon wrote: I don't like how we've shifted off people who voted Chairman Ray. It's almost impossible for us not to find scum among those names, and we already know (most probably) yamato77 is town among those.
I'd be ok to vote Rayn, Sentinel, or geript, even if they vary very much in scumminess for me (I wrote them in order) and get information, but obviously I want FT more. To me both the most likely to flip scum and the biggest yield of information.
Why should we dismiss the very real possibility of a scum panic situation that reveals several likely scum for a minor player without many links to anyone? Is he really that much more scum than anyone with day 1 vote that would prove significant for the coming day? Someone who voted LM feels considerably less relevant when we don't know LM's alignment as certainly as Chairman Ray's--that includes LM himself
That's where I'm at. I've been unable to focus on the game, so I'm questioning myself, but I'll go with my reads, logic and gut as they've been; they were clear Instead of wanting to lynch FT for information and only for information could you tell us why he is mafia?
I wish I could, I feel really cruddy about it but I can't. I'm in the game out of sheer stubbornness at this point, I'll have to ask for replace/modkill if I don't get better tomorrow. My filter has my points strewn about it, and for instance DP's filter has the case for FT from early on
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On September 26 2013 09:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 09:43 Pandain wrote:On September 26 2013 05:44 Pandain wrote:Quick reasons why VE is scum before I go to class: 1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading. 2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that. 3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT. 4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing 5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot. 6. On September 26 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I am also going to vote for LoneMeow. For the town. g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense. Repost. Anyone want to switch to a better lynch on a conspicuously inactive person zaragon. his last post stinks.. (1) He is mimicing the idea of Geript, that all the active posters can not be town -> but is not providing any clues to WHO. This is basically conspiracy theories design to create distrust. (2) The way he mentioend asking fora replacement was very odd (3) His vote at the moment is a throw-away on FirtmTofu, even though he has been present enought o know the current situation on lynch candidates. (4) His filter, dont have time to make a case, but it stinks. Real bad. Zaragon *is* scum.
I'm not scum, Mocsta. I'm going to guess part of your read is based on how I town read you so early? Well I'm happy I got something right if you are.
1, I didn't mimic that idea, I made a similar point much earlier
2, If you have filter dived me, go back and do it again to read my out of game comment. I could add some graphic details and swear words, but I won't. It's not leverage for me in a game.
3, I've said why.
4, Ok, my play stinks I suppose, I'm still not scum.
But I'll welcome a lynch, to be honest, I definitely can't participate at the level I would like. Have a look at FT, Rayn, Sentinel, maybe geript, Cheescake, VE (and don't rule out Marv) when I flip green
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