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On September 21 2013 14:10 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:57 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 13:52 Mocsta wrote:@Geript,
[]hr Stop being useless. Since this 30 player game (with no OP filter links) started; approximately 1/3 of the player base has posted. There is no one I want to lynch vehemently with the current information.
Who don't I like? DP and yourself are already on ignore. I dont care if scum or town, its just annoying to read and precisely why I prefer voice > thread currently.The two key people I don't like thus far are Kushmaster and Koshi. You didn't ask for reasoning, so i will comply with the request. That is a bad attitude to have. If people don't want to read don't join in the first place. SMH. How you supposed to catch scum if you don't read the only real thing that has happened so far? Firstly, please TL;DR what this "real thing" is. Cos from a glance is looks like a squabble. Secondly, I have no qualms reading a game. I read 130 pages in 24hrs to catch up GoT. I have qualms reading bullshit. Please enlighten me why it isn't bullshit though. Geript made a meta case on me. He then refused to explain it, or push it. And when he finally did he denied it was a meta case when it clearly was and changed his entire argument. Basically the problem is this: Is geript scummy for the way he approached the case and the way he presents clearly faulty logic hard and very confidently or is he town? Basically. Can you empathise with geripts argument and see yourself as town being so utterly confident in a DP scum read 2 hours into the game based off one post and an irrational and Illogical argument? I'm going to be candid here, at the risk of alienating a ?town? DP for the rest of the game.
(1) I only glanced over those original posts (2) I am making this reply without re-reading those posts --> Which I do admit sucks a bit.
however
Based on the situation presented, I am likely to assume based on standard play that Geript is likely town. We all know basic play in this game; scum want to blend in and rarely *CHOOSE* to have that type of pressure on them immediately. Further, early Day1 play suggests that terrible and candid logic is 9 times out of 10 town. Again, the limelight. Perhaps late Day1 this can be re-evaluated, but for 2.5hrs into the game. I think this stands. I mean, by all means, if you can prove Geript likes to be limelight scum Day1, I'm willing to reconsider early too. But my experience with him is that again, this is not the case.
You look bad for pushing it this hard. Bad does not equate to scummy though.
Obviously there is nothing to respond to regarding my PANDAIN observation.
However, why have you only pursued information regarding you/Geript; and left alone my lack of reasoning on Koshi/Kush?
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On September 21 2013 14:22 kushm4sta wrote: your pandain observation doesn't mean anything. pandain is not a high volume poster. Right...
So you think it is normal for someone to be confirmed present prior to deadline.
And then disappear when its time to play?
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On September 21 2013 14:28 Coagulation wrote: so summary of today
DP and geript have a little pissing contest VE is cheer leading for team DP WoS Randomly gets FOSed Mocsta jumps in thread and starts pissing on team DP Mocsta trys to piss a little on pandain kush says stuff no one cares
is that right?
You forgot to add where you jump in to give a summary post with no reads.
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On September 21 2013 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't CHOOSE to be in the limelight is the thing Mocsta, he was trying to get ME to be in the limelight for him. That is DP's ENTIRE contention with geript, and you completely ignore that part of the equation by refusing to look at the posts yourself.
At first, geript was content to nudge me in that direction and then AFK. He literally said he was going to AFK until Sunday Mocsta, HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. But you wouldn't know because you're refusing to read the fucking game.
Now: I wasn't even going to entertain your defense of him Mocsta, but you're twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way: you're reaching conclusions ADMITTEDLY without reading the thread. And you're trying to get people to look ELSEWHERE BASED ON IT, WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING THREAD.
Chrust Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP.
(2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you..
(3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it.
This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x.
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On September 21 2013 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't CHOOSE to be in the limelight is the thing Mocsta, he was trying to get ME to be in the limelight for him. That is DP's ENTIRE contention with geript, and you completely ignore that part of the equation by refusing to look at the posts yourself.
At first, geript was content to nudge me in that direction and then AFK. He literally said he was going to AFK until Sunday Mocsta, HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. But you wouldn't know because you're refusing to read the fucking game.
Now: I wasn't even going to entertain your defense of him Mocsta, but you're twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way: you're reaching conclusions ADMITTEDLY without reading the thread. And you're trying to get people to look ELSEWHERE BASED ON IT, WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING THREAD.
Chrust Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP.(2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. 1) I'm not talking about DP I'm talking about geript. I'm not a narcissist, I'm just pointing out that OH WAIT LOOKIE HERE On September 21 2013 12:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:22 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:11 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: DarthPunk, did i understand you right? You want me and VE tunnel each other? Why not? It would help me read you both, So kind of useful for me. That's fucking idiotic, even i know it... How is it idiotic? Two people going at each other usually leads to heaps of information by which you can make really solid reads. Don't see how it is idiotic. But I don't think it is necessary anymore regardless. You both seem pretty townie to me. Okay. I wanna try somehing this game. Let's scumhunt as a team ok? In case you are scum, you'll fuck up at some point, in case i am scum, i'll fuck up at some point.In case we are both town, HALLELUJAH! I'm not so sure about that part. Cause you know. I always think you are town even when you are scum. But sure. What do you think of what VE pointed out about geript? On September 21 2013 12:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. Well, you'll do what a majority of the town wants you to do. Unless you do something I like, I'm going to try and convince them that you should hang...instead of whatever it is you wanted to do...which is nothing, apparently. You mean this post? I don't think this says anything.. No this: On September 21 2013 12:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 21 2013 12:03 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:01 geript wrote: VE. You're looking at the wrong post for why DP is scum. Please create some sort of case, which includes some sort of evidence. You mentioned meta so link some old games of mine. Until then go away plz. This is more like something I can agree with. The post you quoted here is extremely suspicious to me. He's trying to fabricate suspicion on you THROUGH me. Why not point to the post himself? Explain his own thoughts? I think this is really key when deciding if geript is town or scum. Like before you pointed this out VE I was basically assuming he was just bad town. But trying to push me THROUGH you is actually scummy rather than just bad. One thing i would like to know before: geript: What post was VE in your opinion looking to, and what post he should have instead looked into? What is the post that makes DP scum? The thing is. He should have already posted and discussed all this if he is as convinced I am scum as he seems. It is telling that he did not. It is scummy that he tried to get VE to do it for him. HE DID MENTION ME GOSH GOLLY GEE!!! 2) No I'm not saying "that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's suspicious that he wanted ME to make a case on DP instead of explaining his reasoning himself. He was content that I was suspicious of DP and voting for him. That IS suspicious Mocsta, whether it's D1 or D9. 3) See the previous 2 points. You're literally opting out of reading the thread, yet are calling my and DP's suspicion of geript bullshit and trying to get the thread to look elsewhere. You're now IN ADDITION trying to contort my own words to suit your own interpretation of them. This is all in the thread and I have to explain nothing, because it's what you're doing. Twice in this post you've said I'm saying things that I'm not. Twice in this one post Mocsta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=31#615
That is what I have been basing my comments on. VE is not mentioned. Pretty clear and simple.
Now, unlike DP TL;DR; yours actually reads as it has merit. I will re-read that section of play and weigh in when im back.
+ Show Spoiler + As an aside; but not relevant anymore. Point 3 is an absolute joke.
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On September 21 2013 14:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before i gp. Mocsta, what's your reafd on me ? Irritating as usual.
That we both had an early distaste on Koshi makes me want to like you as a town.
But realistically, firmly null for the time being.
And seriously. Stop posting drunk. If you want to be respected in any games, you need to stop doing that.
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On September 21 2013 14:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'M WATCHING YOU MOCSTA. DON'T GET CAUGHT SLIPPIN BRO.
Srs though plz just make some time to read everything that's happened. Put emphasis on geript, the timing of how it all went down.
Now: in response to your Pandain push, I'll certainly read what he has to say when he comes back. Is it weird that he hasn't posted since pregame? Yes. Is it damning? Absolutely not. No matter what he says when he comes back, it will tell us more about his alignment than the fact that he hasn't posted yet now. im actually building a chair atm, and then have to shoot off. But like i said, when i get back I will re-read it all. Yes emphasis Geript. If what you say is true (About manipulation), early day1, that is indeed scummy.
As for pandain, yes that is why i called it an observation. It is indeed critical for him to respond to the thread though sooner than later.
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Hi OO !
+ Show Spoiler +Whacky intro going after someone because they were around right after game start when they were there right before. Not that it isn't a point of evidence potentially but that it's utterly useless on its own. Mocsta knows better than that. How is it much different from my post at the start? The difference is a post count of 0 compared to 1. Binary dude. Its all in the binary !
Do you know Pandain's time zone and schedule? Would you like it if I said yes?
The answer is....
+ Show Spoiler +
Bye Guise !
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On September 21 2013 16:56 ObviousOne wrote: So Mocsta, Koshi, maybe a side of Kush if he never delivers on that case because it otherwise means he's been talking out of his ass.
I'm not sure how I want to deal with the geript situation. Whether he's scum or town, he feels cancerous. I was cool with it last game because I was scum and he was like super wrong and fucked with town and it was great, but today I'm not feeling accepting. His playing like this, feels to me, like he sets himself up at best lynch/mislynch of the game to force people to take sides on it. Like he's the only person playing and we're just NPCs. I really would rather not lynch him if he's town, his position is "accept it or whatever" apparently, so can we collectively ignore the shit out of him and focus on things that seem more rational or sane or do we have to lynch him to move on? I'm happier with the former. I'd rather not appeal to his ego by making today about him, which is where his play seems to be geared. Can potentially just vig him if he becomes a problem. BIG WORDS !!!
have you been playing on MS !
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On September 21 2013 16:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Relevant: Pandain votes geript prior to posting in thread. Hello town VE! I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'.
If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence?
Explain.
P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me.
Im off; but would like an answer to the above.
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On September 21 2013 17:39 ObviousOne wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 17:27 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 16:31 ObviousOne wrote:On September 21 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Relevant: Pandain votes geript prior to posting in thread. Hello town VE! I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'. If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence? Explain.P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me. Im off; but would like an answer to the above. VE said he was going to bed. Then he presumably couldn't sleep. [Scum sleep very well FYI] QED he's town! You picked on Pandain and then said goodbye. Then you came back wondering why I was picking on you for what you deemed to be similar. [Also this hit and run tactic you're playing is disconcerting] QED you're less town than VE! I don't know if you're scum but I certainly don't have a town read on you based on what you've done so far. Your answer about it being a binary idea threw me off, I thought there would be something more to it, so I am not really satisfied with the answer. Then again, I didn't really expect an intricate answer either, so I'm still confused: Why Pandain, what made Pandain special that you sought to look him up / keep tabs on him based on the pre-game? Did you just notice it to bring it up? Correct.
Was there a motivation or other information you have that leads you to believe that Pandain is someone worth paying attention to right at the beginning of the game? If I thought he was worth paying absolute attention to, I would have put a vote. It was an observation, to prompt him to contribute. It worked somewhat. He laid an unjustified vote.
We have more information now since some time has passed, so I'm mostly curious about what it was at that point in time that had you preoccupied with him. When I came back to the thread, and started skimming because everyone sounded like they were butthurt instead of hunting scum. Then I remembered Kush sayiung me/Pandain should be modkilled. Then I coudlnt recall pandain making a post.. which made me uneasy.
I can't speak for everyone; but I was getting pissed off waiting for MZ to start the game. All I wanted to do was make a fisrt post, and then proceed to lurk because it was saturday day, and I had shit to do. Instead I had to keep sitting at the comp for liek1 hr, pressing F5.. In my frustration i made that post "..."; considering pandain copied me, i figured he felt the same way as opposed to trolling. Hence, to my surprise he was not quick at the bat to make a post; nor a post throughout the first couple hours.
Henceforth me calling him out.
"It's a binary thing" is a non-answer to me. Correct; but the original question was stupid and pointless. So you got a stupid and pointless answer.
Shit in, Shit out.
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On September 21 2013 11:03 Koshi wrote: Who isn't town?
On September 21 2013 11:05 Risen wrote: Not me. I would like to see more from Risen.
This is something I would have no qualms doing as scum. My issue is after this post, he fucked off. Maybe its timezones, who knows?
Either way, I want to see more from this guy "who isn't town".
Risen; opinion on Koshi please.
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@VE Sorry for the cop-out; but I will give you my thoughts on the Geript/DP situation having onyl re-read up to p28 (where Geript says, see you on Sunday. Bye).
(Copping out, cos im busy till voice mafia starts. and then.. its voice mafia lol. so wont be reading this).
Basically; im suspicious of Geript up to that point. Reading the posts and giving him benefit of the doubt. He suspects DP is scum for not being assertive. OK fair enough perhaps.
My issue is how he pushes after that... instead of trying to firm up his read on DP and inquiring about him. Geript reads to be as emotionally unattached and making posts to bait DP into a fury.
I agree that two people fighting early on, are typically town; but usually ppl are trying to out-wit each other in the battle to declare the other, scum. I just don't get that feeling from Geript. He just feels removed. I am not a pro at blue-hunting, but I dont think a blue role would be this type of removed either, which leads to leaning scum.
I know Geript made a defense case later on, so once I have read the whole thread again, I will let you know if I feel strongly enough about this lean to lead with a vote.
P.S. I think its townie points that DP/VE didnt want to get into a shitfight. Even though he says he isn't "meta-able' I think that a scum DP would be more than happy to get into a shitfight this early on, and then rest of his laurels for a cycle or two.
Over n Out.
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^ Doesn't make sense to me.
Potentially both mafia? I thought you were entertaining the notion Pandain was alignment-null only?
Weird post in general. Either way, not much more can be done till others chip in as they wake up.
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@VE K, read everything.
In short: + Show Spoiler [Re-Geript] +Geript feels distanced, fixated on a lone, early post; and his prods feel like he is more interested in stirring the pot. HOWEVER, I am still not fully sold that is scum play, because I just don't see Geript as the type of scum player to want this much attention on himself (especially when he admitted he has finals coming up). Early polarizing situations usually contain two townies.
Now, for the VE addition: "he tried to get me to do his dirty work" (paraphrased obviously). Now I have done a full re-read, I am not sold on this. FACT: Geript pointed out the post he thought made DP scum before you said DP was scum. So when he made his comment but did not link you to it; I think it was just a townie assumed you were keeping track of every word that sprouts out of his mouth - hence would know the post he already alluded to. So to be wishy-washy: Geript has some exhibited fundamentally poor play. I'm don't think this makes him confirmed scum. Im prob a slightly leaning scum read.
So who do I think needs to step up and has posted From a re-read, theres a couple I really want to see more of: - Risen // Pandain // Koshi // Kush
(As an aside, my vote on Kush was never policy. It was because he requested me to be modkilled... last time Kush tried to do that he was scum + I just dont see a town Kush giving a shit about rules like that)
Who will I vote for?
##Vote: WaveofShadow When Geript/DP were going at it; Rayns post mimic'd my exact thoughts. "blah blah blah" Wave I think tried to replicate that, but felt disgenuine to me.
He was present several times in the thread (esp. when called out) and even though he commented on Geript, it was by request. Even so, I just dont feel an urge from him to solve the game.
I actually dont have a problem he wants to lurk; day1 in a 30 player game is a shit fest... Its just, he is saying he wants to lurk; and then attempts to contribute, but actually says nothing.
I think thats one of the scummiest things that has happeend so far.
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On September 21 2013 22:29 LoneMeow wrote:It feels like you were just looking for someone to jump on. That doesn't feel very town way to play D1. Not enough to say I'd have a scum read on you, but I'll be watching your actions. you do that.
btw. your actions are ironic.
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On September 21 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Mocst Reason: People that make special posts always end up being scum. Acrofoles: GoT Persona: Crazometer Aperture: Alakaslam (he was even more special than otherwise, with the evul bee posts) Golden Sun: BH
Right...
So lets get you useful.
Is Geript scum?
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On September 21 2013 22:41 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 19:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Kush is making more sense than I remember him ever making, I'll keep an eye on that.
how am i making sense?? all i remember doing is calling getript town which im probably wrong about anyway Why have you changed your mind?
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On September 21 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Mocst Reason: People that make special posts always end up being scum. Acrofoles: GoT Persona: Crazometer Aperture: Alakaslam (he was even more special than otherwise, with the evul bee posts) Golden Sun: BH
Right... So lets get you useful. Is Geript scum? I have 0 clues. The guy had a superpowerful role in aperture and we all know how that ended. But I am very friendly towards geript because he is friendly towards me. yeah OK, more stuff that means nothing. That was a different game.
You know; i have seen you replace in as town, and your game play was very different to what you are doing now. Day1 spaztic mode is over.
So lets try again, one more time. - cos you didn't give a definitive answer on where you stand.
Read on Geript. Then Read on WaveofShadow.
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