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I think that Onegu comes off worst after this lynch. He blatantly didn't care about whether Aqua or Xzav was lynched:
On June 26 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote:Between xzavier and Aqua. Except just a few posts earlier, he says that he has a null read on Xzav and a scum read on Aqua:
On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote: Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows... Xzavier SpicyDinosaur Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me. So he doesn't care about the lynch, even though he thinks that Aqua is scummier. Why wouldn't he vote Aqua, and why doesn't a townie care about the lynch in the first place?
If Onegu was scum, however, he wouldn't care whether Aqua or Xzav are lynched as he knows that they're both town. He also wouldn't want to have his vote on one of them when they flipped because it would draw suspicion to himself.
Side note: this works just as well if Aqua is scum. Onegu wouldn't want to vote Aqua because they're scumbuddies and doesn't want to be on the mislynch wagon.
Thoughts?
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Tofu, I'm glad that we are thinking the same thing on Onegu.
I'm going to have another long look at Spicy and see if I can find some good reasons why he wasn't voting Xzav. It's possible that he might have been avoiding that for no reason to avoid suspicion.
I'm off the mind that the Xzav lynch had good reasoning behind it. Knowing what we knew, I would lynch him again (and a lot of strong town agreed with the reasoning, it seems).
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Interestingly enough, it's very much not impossible that none of the scum were voting for Xzav.
I'd still recommend a vigi shot in Stim.
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On June 26 2013 12:50 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:43 Chromatically wrote: Interestingly enough, it's very much not impossible that none of the scum were voting for Xzav.
I'd still recommend a vigi shot in Stim. I disagree. vigi should shoot the target most likely to flip scum, and that is most definitely Onegu at this point. P.S. I wouldn't mind Spicy either *wink wink* It's obviously possible to read Onegu, and there's good discussion that can be had about whether to lynch him and why, and it would give information on others.
Stim, on the other hand, is lurky and impossible to read if he doesn't post more. There's almost no discussion that can be had about him, so a lynch on him would probably result in a day with minimal discussion, bad for town.
Worse case scenario for Stim is that we lose a player who wasn't going to post anyway, whereas worst case for Onegu is we lose a townie who could be helpful.
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On June 26 2013 13:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Humor me. What's the difference between StiM and LoneMeow? A vacation? Lonemeow is more actively looking for scum, albeit in a lurky way. You can see that he's pressured some people and interacted with the thread a bit.
Stim is more opportunistic. He votes Aqua as the wagon is building up, and comes up with a weak case on him later.
Not super strong reads on either of them (because lurk), but Stim is scummier.
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On June 26 2013 16:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 11:02 Chromatically wrote: I am very surprised that both of them flipped as town. I have a lot of strong town reads, but I clearly need to rethink some of them as a) there was probably scum on the Xzav lynch and b) there's not enough people left that are in my null-scum area.
hz looks pretty town despite his wierd logic because there's really no reason for scum to draw suspicion to themselves by switching that late as the lynch was already secure.
Same thing for Alaka, less confident on that. I don't follow. hz looks town because he did something suspicious? We can save this discussion for Day 2 if you think the information is sensitive, but don't let me forget this point, Chromatically.
On June 26 2013 16:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Just finished hz's filter. The town consensus is that he's very pro-town. I don't see it as quite that clear-cut, but I will defer to the town's judgement. He had some pro-town stuff leading up to the Xzavier lynch, but he's also had a couple of real head-scratchers. I won't quote them unless asked, because I want to reiterate that I don't think he's scum and I don't think investigating hz is a productive use of our time right now.
I have yet to go over Onegu's filter, but his upcoming morning mega-post will go a long way in helping me decide his alignment. I'm not ready to crucify him JUST for saying he thinks Alakaslam is the scummiest player on the board while Xzavier and Aqua were also Top 3 (which is what his apathy regarding the Day One vote boiled down to). His reads will help me decide.
My thoughts about hz and Onegu (vote-wise) are related.
Scum's objective is to blend in and not draw attention to themselves. When scum sees a mislynch wagon forming, they have two options:
1) Sheep the wagon and otherwise push it to make sure that it goes through. Scum only needs to do this if the wagon might fail.
This is probably not what happened yesterday. Most likely, there was no scum in danger of being lynched because Xzav was the clear, clear, forerunner. There was no need for scum to draw attention to themselves by sheeping that wagon because it would (and did) go through anyway.
2) Avoid the wagon and call the lynchee town a lot so that they look good after the flip. Scum will only do this is the wagon will go through without them and there's no danger of a scum lynch.
This is the most likely scenario for yesterday's lynch. Scum sees that the wagon will go through and starts resisting it for town cred after a flip. It's important to distinguish between townies that honestly thought that the wagon was bad (they have shown their reasoning) and scum who artificially called the wagon bad (they have no reasoning).
hz chose option 1 by sheeping the wagon. There was no scum motivation for this because the wagon was clearly going to succeed.
Onegu chose option 2 by avoiding voting entirely. The scum motivation is to avoid being on the mislynch for town cred afterwards.
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Onegu, you had a scumread on Aqua all of day 1, posted a case on him, and then dropped it saying that "it wasn't that good". What's your read on Aqua and why did your opinion change?
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About Spicy
It's hard to tell if his reasons for not voting Xzav are legit, given that I disagreed with them. They could be real or artificial as far as I can tell, I can't get anything from that.
What I don't like (and this is a general statement about Spicy, Stim, and Onegu) is that when your vote is not on a leading wagon, you should be doing your ABSOLUTE BEST to push your read. This is especially true if you have a town read on the leader. A townie would do everything that they can to prevent a mislynch.
Spicy defends Xzav a little, but then drops it with this post:
On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote: Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case. He backs off of defending Xzav because "1/2 the thread thinks im scum" for it. This is a clear exaggeration. At most, ONE person had called him scum for defending Xzavier. Is this overstatement a sign of a scum persecution complex? Maybe.
I also really don't like how he gave up on Xzav so easily. Maybe it's just a playstyle difference, but if I think someone is about to be mislynched, I would be posting a TON, urging voteswitches, and aggressively trying to move the lynch.
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On June 27 2013 01:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 00:47 Chromatically wrote:About SpicyIt's hard to tell if his reasons for not voting Xzav are legit, given that I disagreed with them. They could be real or artificial as far as I can tell, I can't get anything from that. What I don't like (and this is a general statement about Spicy, Stim, and Onegu) is that when your vote is not on a leading wagon, you should be doing your ABSOLUTE BEST to push your read. This is especially true if you have a town read on the leader. A townie would do everything that they can to prevent a mislynch.Spicy defends Xzav a little, but then drops it with this post: On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote: Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case. He backs off of defending Xzav because "1/2 the thread thinks im scum" for it. This is a clear exaggeration. At most, ONE person had called him scum for defending Xzavier. Is this overstatement a sign of a scum persecution complex? Maybe. I also really don't like how he gave up on Xzav so easily. Maybe it's just a playstyle difference, but if I think someone is about to be mislynched, I would be posting a TON, urging voteswitches, and aggressively trying to move the lynch. That last part you quoted was in reference to pushing hurricane, not defending xzavier as the previous sentence was talking about hurricane's case. Immediately after i posted a defense of xzavier i got replies from you, lone, onegu, and tofu. Perhaps its because i was on the defensive most of D1 so the quick replies by a bunch of people got me into that feeling. I tried my best to counter but it went nowhere. My defense of xzavier was based off of meta, and people didnt agree with it, so what else could i have said? I would just be repeating myself. It feels weird that it looks scummy that i didnt defend xzavier enough and yet i look scummy for tofu for defending too much (or at all). Also please look at my recent post about tofu about not pushing scum reads. Was your townread on Xzav solely based on meta?
The problem that Tofu and I have with your defense of Xzav is the same.
A Townie would: 1) Vote Xzav if they think that he's scum. 2) Vote someone else and push them really hard if they think that Xzav is scum, but someone else is worse. 3) Defend Xzav really hard if they have a townread.
Scum would: 4) Sheep onto Xzav if the wagon is going to fail. (Already talked about this, this didn't happen) 5) Defend Xzav a little, but not enough to move the vote, for town cread.
Your defense of Xzav looks much more like Scum option 5 than it does Townie option 2 or 3 because you weren't pushing Sponge hard and you didn't defend Xzav hard. You're defending Xzav just enough to look good after the flip, but not enough to actually move the lynch.
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Spicy, I think that Tofu's actions around the lynch were fine.
He thought that you were scummier, but after pushing you he saw that no one else was willing to vote you.
Instead of wasting his vote on someone who wouldn't be lynched (you), he moves to his second-best scumread (Xzav).
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On June 27 2013 01:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 01:23 Chromatically wrote: Spicy, I think that Tofu's actions around the lynch were fine.
He thought that you were scummier, but after pushing you he saw that no one else was willing to vote you.
Instead of wasting his vote on someone who wouldn't be lynched (you), he moves to his second-best scumread (Xzav). please look at what i wrote again. It is clear he said his second best read was stim Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 01:03 FirmTofu wrote: I've skimmed through the thread to get a handle on where people are leaning.
Scenario 1: Xzavier is town Mafia should be distancing themselves from the lynch and somewhat defending him.
Scenario 2: Xzavier is mafia Mafia should be vehemently arguing in his defense while also trying to distance themselves from him. It's a balancing act that is hard to do.
Keep an eye out for people who fall into the latter category for now.
On another note, I agree with Hurricane that StiM is the best lynch for today. However, letting Aqua die is simply not an option. We only lynch StiM if we know we can get enough votes. He then does nothing with trying to get stim lynched and just sheeps onto xzavier.
Oh yeah, that's a good point that I missed.
Just a few posts later he says: + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote: Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows... Xzavier SpicyDinosaur Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. Stim isn't even in his proposed scumteam.
Tofu, can you clarify this situation?
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On June 27 2013 01:29 hzflank wrote: Chrom, is there anyone besides Spicy whose actions around the lynch seemed scummy?
On June 26 2013 11:59 Chromatically wrote:I think that Onegu comes off worst after this lynch. He blatantly didn't care about whether Aqua or Xzav was lynched: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 02:22 Chromatically wrote: You don't care who is killed? Between xzavier and Aqua. Except just a few posts earlier, he says that he has a null read on Xzav and a scum read on Aqua: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote: Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows... Xzavier SpicyDinosaur Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me. So he doesn't care about the lynch, even though he thinks that Aqua is scummier. Why wouldn't he vote Aqua, and why doesn't a townie care about the lynch in the first place? If Onegu was scum, however, he wouldn't care whether Aqua or Xzav are lynched as he knows that they're both town. He also wouldn't want to have his vote on one of them when they flipped because it would draw suspicion to himself. Side note: this works just as well if Aqua is scum. Onegu wouldn't want to vote Aqua because they're scumbuddies and doesn't want to be on the mislynch wagon. Thoughts?
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On June 27 2013 01:54 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 06:36 Chromatically wrote: It helps that I have a town read on everyone on the Xzav wagon, so I really don't think that scum is pushing this wagon at all. I'd be surprised if there are no scum at all on a town wagon. Before the flip you suspected Onegu for the reasoning behind his voting. While the flip does not change his reasoning, I expected it to cause you to reconsider more. Although Meow was the first to vote for Xzavier, with the way it happened I consider you to be the starter of the Xzavier wagon. Therefore, your insight into the votes that your wagon gathered will be very useful. There is no rush, we have 48 hours, but I was just surprised that you started with Onegu and Spicy. I don't know where you're going with these.
Not caring about the lynch looks bad no matter what the flip is, that's what I said before the flip. Now that we know both wagons were likely town, there is clear scum motivation to not vote for either.
I've stated my reasoning about why Aqua and Spicy look bad, do you disagree?
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On June 27 2013 03:18 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:04 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 27 2013 02:59 Onegu wrote: I had no qualms about voteing aqua and was planning on voteing him today until the firmtofu case came up. As I said it didnt matter to me who was killed because I had a scum read on Aqua and a null read on xzavier but depending on how he fliped would focus my day 2 targets, I have said all along I want to lynch Aqua and still do. I cannot make a good case on him but I am trying and keep looking things over. But saying I didnt vote him because I am scum buddies is dumb, If not tofu today and it is between anyone and aqua my vote will go on aqua. But at this point firmtofu I can make a much stronger case on him. I don't think you're scumbuddies. I think Aqua is town. I'm confused by your actions. If I saw two wagons forming, one on a Townie and one on someone I thought was Scum, I'd get on that Scum bandwagon no matter what it looked like to make sure the right man dies. I can say this with confidence because it's exactly what I did. If you were town, that's the behavior I'd expect. I could see how maybe if you thought both xzavier and aqua were town or both were scum you could justify your apathy. But having different reads on the two main wagons, and just letting them roll by you baffles me. In a bad way. I only had slightly different reads it would not have supprised me if xzavier flipped scum, and it didnt suprise me he flipped town. That being said if I had a town read on him what you say is correct and I would have put my vote back on aqua. As it was I put my vote on my best case made a good case for him and when I was going to sleep 8 hours before the deadline it didnt matter much to me who was killed, and it was also possible people would have read my arguement and voted alakaslam also. The problem where I stay is I am usally not up for the deadline so I have to make a vote and decision well in advance of everyone else. This part still doesn't make sense.
If you have to place your vote ahead of time, then you can't push your preferred wagon at all. There was a near 0% chance that Alaka gets lynched as you sleep.
The only move that makes sense if you can't be around for deadline is to put your vote on the wagon who is scummiest. Even now, you think that Aqua is really scummy. Why didn't you put your vote on him?
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On June 27 2013 03:25 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:16 Chromatically wrote:On June 27 2013 01:54 hzflank wrote:On June 26 2013 06:36 Chromatically wrote: It helps that I have a town read on everyone on the Xzav wagon, so I really don't think that scum is pushing this wagon at all. I'd be surprised if there are no scum at all on a town wagon. Before the flip you suspected Onegu for the reasoning behind his voting. While the flip does not change his reasoning, I expected it to cause you to reconsider more. Although Meow was the first to vote for Xzavier, with the way it happened I consider you to be the starter of the Xzavier wagon. Therefore, your insight into the votes that your wagon gathered will be very useful. There is no rush, we have 48 hours, but I was just surprised that you started with Onegu and Spicy. I don't know where you're going with these. Not caring about the lynch looks bad no matter what the flip is, that's what I said before the flip. Now that we know both wagons were likely town, there is clear scum motivation to not vote for either. I've stated my reasoning about why Aqua and Spicy look bad, do you disagree? Did anyone actually care about the lynch? Sure, you and Tofo pushed hard to get people onboard when it was tight between Xz and Aqua but as soon as Xz was highly likely to be lynched everyone stopped caring. People who were not on the wagon jumped on. People who were on the wagon discussed moving there vote. Not to mention that we currently have a better chance working out which passenger was scum than we do of working out which non-passenger was scum. Your case on Onegu is severely hampered by all the other talk about Onegu being scummy. If you were scum, which you very well might be, then the obvious move was to pressure Onegu once Xz flipped green. There was loads of preparation done for this move pre-flip, when most of us did not even know that xZ would flip green.
On June 27 2013 03:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:24 FirmTofu wrote: hzflank, you keep repeating that someone on the wagon must be scum. Why do you believe that is the case? Does it necessarily have to be true, or do you think you are assuming it should be true because Xzavier flipped town? Because if everyone on the Xzavier wagon was town, then the mafia team is Onegu, Spicy and Stim. What are both of you talking about?
We don't know whether there was 0, 1, 2, 3 scum on the wagon. For all I know, the team could be Onegu/Spicy/Stim. The full team doesn't matter now anyway.
hz, I have no idea what you mean by the bold. There are a lot of good reasons why Onegu is scummy.
We're still just trying to find scum. I'm looking at who looks worst from the flip. I'm not going to ignore people off the wagon because you think, for some reason, that they're less likely to be scum.
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On June 27 2013 03:40 hzflank wrote: My problem is that Chromatically, Tofu and Hurricane have not pressured each other since the flip. The flip made you all look guilty for different reasons. I expected you to defend yourselves by investigating each other. You are better placed to investigate each other than I am, because you know if you are town.
The best way for the town to get a correct read on which of you is scum (if any) is if you look for guilt in each other. Why don't you explain how the flip made each of us look bad?
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On June 27 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:43 Chromatically wrote:On June 27 2013 03:40 hzflank wrote: My problem is that Chromatically, Tofu and Hurricane have not pressured each other since the flip. The flip made you all look guilty for different reasons. I expected you to defend yourselves by investigating each other. You are better placed to investigate each other than I am, because you know if you are town.
The best way for the town to get a correct read on which of you is scum (if any) is if you look for guilt in each other. Why don't you explain how the flip made each of us look bad? Why don't you do some scum hunting? Really?
I've clearly explained why I think that Onegu looks the worst from the lynch. I also don't like how Spicy looks, which I've explained.
I'm obviously not going to waste time pressuring people who I think are town. If you think that we look bad, it's your job to do the pressuring. I don't think that either of them look bad.
So why don't you do some scum hunting?
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I have some thoughts on lying that I'd like to wait until the resolution period to post, but I'm going to assume that Tofu won't be lying again.
There's no way for town to tell if you're a lying townie or scum who's trying to cover up a mistake.
I will be sorely, sorely tempted to policy lynch you if you lie again.
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Sponge and Tofu are almost certain town. DO NOT LYNCH THEM. I highly doubt that anyone will be able to convince me that they're scum. They've been the most active this game, they are open with their reads, they push their reads, they're not trying to blend in, and their posts show a clear protown attitude.
The Tofu lying thing bothers me a bit, but I'm willing to overlook it on account of a) the fact that his explanation holds together and b) the sheer amount of TOWN in his filter.
I think that these reads should be pretty obvious to anyone who looks through their filters. The mindset that their posts come from is clearly town.
Spicy, hz, Aqua, and Alaka (in rough order of decreasing town) are all unlikely scum. I'm almost certainly wrong on at least one of them, but I have no idea who.
Spicy in particular might look wierd here, as I was on him for his voting, but his Xzav read looks genuine if you look at his filter. He has several reasons for not voting Xzav, and he sticks to those reasons in the face of aggression from the town. It would have been very possible for scum Spicy to avoid drawing attention here by simply giving in, but he sticks to his read. He even backs down from one of his points when I argue him on it, but still explains why he has the read. That's very town to me + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 00:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 00:25 Chromatically wrote:Spicy It's one thing to be more cautious after a game, it's another to not scumhunt at all. If he were a truly panicked scum i would think he would listen to everyone and start making cases, not go crazy.
The whole "If Xzav were scum, he would do x" argument is WIFOM. Maybe he would do that as scum. Maybe he's not and he's trying to trick us. Maybe he's not doing it anyway because he doesn't know how to. He might not be making cases because it's hard to scumhunt as scum. He might not be making cases so people think that it's a "genuine townie reaction". He might not be making cases so that you make the exact argument you're making now. There are a number of reasons why he would react the way he has, and it doesn't make him townier at all. That sort of argument is what makes up most of his defense and now your defense of him, which is why I found his defense thoroughly unconvincing. Fair point the on WIFOM. For me it just comes down to the fact that i dont see this as a scum xzavier given his last game play and self reflection afterwards with his bad reads. I just don't buy a scum xzavier not having some type of read or questions about cases out by the time of the vote. The rest of his filter is townie, as I've said before. He has active conversations with the thread, his reads change in genuine ways, and he doesn't really look to be blending in. In particular, the shitfight with Tofu isn't something that scum would want to get into. It puts the spotlight on Spicy, but he kept up with his logic the whole time and didn't resort to emotional attacks or backing down and sulking away.
hz has been making some wierd and nonsensical arguments, but he's active in the thread and feels genuine and townie (in addition to what I've said in the past).
Alaka has been posting a lot of nonsense. This gives me town feels because he is not being careful AT ALL. He's done the opposite of blending in, he's drawn so much attention to himself that I can't believe a scum would willingly do. He's been asking for people to vote him off, which is pretty risky to do as scum because it's so frowned upon. All of this makes me really think that he is just town that has an extremely odd way of playing the game. The reason that he's so low on this list is that it's possible that he's actually SCUM with a really wierd way of playing the game.
Stim and Meow (in order of decreasing town) are likely scum.
I was thinking that Meow was town day 1, but a reread of him makes this less likely for a few reasons. First, he's pretty much the definition of "blending in". He posts the bare minimum so that he's not noticed, and it's been working very well. Compared to Stim, Meow has been virtually unnoticed (partially my fault, I know). His reads completely echo town sentiment. What I saw as "looking for scum" earlier really is just him asking some random questions in one post and never following up on them. He's also been completely absent post-lynch and for this whole night phase. I'll continue on this in a separate post.
Onegu is probably scum. I (and Tofu) have already said why.
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Things I don't like about LoneMeow
On June 24 2013 14:43 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote:Quoted Player List for reference:We still have yet to hear from Onegu, fyfy, Alakaslam, and LoneMeow. There's this thing called timezones - it's now 07:43 in my current local time... Regarding to claiming, I'd like to ask that nobody claims. Day 1 claiming is generally not a great idea. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 13:29 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 13:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Chromatically, do you have any scumreads? Right now, I'm looking at Xzavier and hzflank. Both have posted a bit, but neither have been scumhunting. hz's recent post makes me feel a little better, but it did only come when I specifically asked him and I don't really agree with it. That doesn't necessarily make him scum though. There are also some other small things that bother me, but I'll elaborate on those later. I'd like to note that largely with the exception of this post, you haven't done much scumhunting yourself. Would you care to elaborate on those small things for me? I do agree about Xzavier feeling scummy though. It first felt like a bit of meta case, as I remember him being very actively townie during day 1 in our last game, but reading through what he's said so far he hasn't really done any hunting so it seems objectively scummy, too. This post seems like Meow really doesn't want to rock the boat at all and draw attention to himself. He pressures me in the most non-confrontational possible way, and then agrees with me on Xzavier. He doesn't offer any original opinions (or any other opinions at all). This is a theme throughout his posting.
On June 25 2013 07:05 LoneMeow wrote: Xzavier, I still don't like your filter. Practically just setup speculation, no scum hunting or reads. I want to lynch you.
I'm not all that comfortable with lynching hzflank, in fact I'd rather not. I read him as town-ish.
StiMaDDict, start participating in some way. Who's your top scum read, why?
fyfy, you say you'd "rather lynch someone scummier", tell me who'd that be?
##Vote: Xzavier This vote has very, very little reasoning behind it. Xzav happened to be, even at this point, the closest thing that town had to a consensus on a scumread. I had started pressuring hz right before this post, so Meow calls him town (leaving wiggle room, of course) because that was what everyone besides me was saying.
He doesn't offer a single original opinion here. He doesn't offer any opinions at all, in fact, other than the ones that were widely agreed upon.
He asks some questions to the other lurkers, but never follows up on them. This really shows that he's not actually interested in what they say. He's only doing it to look like he's interacting with the town.
On June 25 2013 23:48 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 23:11 Spicydinosaur wrote: I'm not liking Xzavier as a D1 lynch but i see why others are voting him. Before chrom threw a vote down on him he did 0 scum hunting and his posts were just policy and/or fluff. With that i can clearly see a vote. However what he has done since the votes started piling on has convinced me he's town. An unproductive town before the vote, but a townie no less.
Have you looked at it from the perspective that he might be scum that panicked once he had votes on him and only then started doing something to look more towny? Even now his filter is "plenty of posts, little content", which I find very troublesome, though it I admit I don't feel as sure about this lynch as I did earlier. Also I see that some of my town reads are not on his case or are defending him, which is worrying. This is posted when the Xzav lynch is uncertain (only Meow, me, and Aqua onboard). Several people were defending Xzav at this point. Meow makes sure to leave an out, so that way he can switch off easily if need be ("I wasn't as sure and my town reads were defending him").
On June 26 2013 01:10 LoneMeow wrote: Stim lynch with the info we have right now would be too much of a coin flip I think, however if he doesn't come back and elaborate as he promised I am ready to see him hang. And unless something truly game changing happens my vote will be on Xzavier or Stim - definitely not Aquanim. Right as the case on Stim is posted, and a Stim wagon is a very real possibility, Meow comes in and says that he'd be willing to switch. Notice how he's continually leaving his options open: he has an excuse to either stay on Xzav or switch to Stim if necessary. Both of these reads are carbon copies of the town sentiment.
That's almost all of his posts.
Remember how he just said that he'd switch to Stim if he never came back? Didn't happen. Meow never mentions Stim again after this, because the wagon on Stim doesn't happen.
Literally every read that he has is exactly what the town is thinking. He doesn't offer his own opinion on anyone besides the centers of attention, Xzav/Stim (and a little hz). He also leaves his options wide open just in case he needs to move.
He posts just enough so that he's seen as the most town of the lurkers, but that's exactly what scum would do as a lurker. Meow has been blending in and not drawing attention to the max, the ESSENTIAL characteristic of scum play.
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