I'm listening to my scumdar today.
Barring amazing revelations from the heaven, my vote won't budge.
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 01:20 GMT
#1534
I'm listening to my scumdar today. Barring amazing revelations from the heaven, my vote won't budge. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 02:43 GMT
#1543
On June 15 2013 11:36 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2013 10:27 Spicydinosaur wrote: On June 15 2013 10:17 iVLosK! wrote: Damn kids. Anyone want to explain what makes Onegu more scum to you then say, Umasi? Onegu seems more clam and calculating then Umasi. Umasi has gone off the rails recently doing some pretty stupid things. I think at this point scum would play the game very carefully and not be overly boisterous. By this logic you are scum... No. Staying calm under no pressure is not a big deal. Staying unemotional and calculated while under a lot of pressure is different. You were under a fair bit of pressure yesterday, culminating with a literally last minute vote switch to save yourself. And your demeanor under vote pressure is a stark contrast to players like Xzav and Umasi. That isn't scummy in and of itself. But it usually comes with game experience. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 03:06 GMT
#1545
On June 15 2013 11:41 Spicydinosaur wrote: Stim hasn't been wanting to play for the past few days.... and there have been no night kills...too easy of a connection? Or has the jailer been pro the last 2 nights with either saves/roleblocks? No matter who is the last scum, the kill could have been skipped last night in order to frame the player who was JKed. It's a long, slow and dangerous slog to endgame depending only on lynches. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 03:07 GMT
#1546
On June 15 2013 12:05 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2013 11:43 fferyllt wrote: On June 15 2013 11:36 Onegu wrote: On June 15 2013 10:27 Spicydinosaur wrote: On June 15 2013 10:17 iVLosK! wrote: Damn kids. Anyone want to explain what makes Onegu more scum to you then say, Umasi? Onegu seems more clam and calculating then Umasi. Umasi has gone off the rails recently doing some pretty stupid things. I think at this point scum would play the game very carefully and not be overly boisterous. By this logic you are scum... No. Staying calm under no pressure is not a big deal. Staying unemotional and calculated while under a lot of pressure is different. You were under a fair bit of pressure yesterday, culminating with a literally last minute vote switch to save yourself. And your demeanor under vote pressure is a stark contrast to players like Xzav and Umasi. That isn't scummy in and of itself. But it usually comes with game experience. Lol this is my first game of mafia... I have played alot of d&d though. All things being equal, scum players tend to under-react to pressure, though there is sometimes a crack in the surface. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 04:04 GMT
#1550
On June 15 2013 12:55 Onegu wrote: Hey stim come vote it would be mighty kind of you to save a fellow :-) wow. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 04:22 GMT
#1552
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 14:49 GMT
#1564
On June 15 2013 23:35 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2013 21:31 Gotard wrote: To be honest if there is only 3 mafia members and 1st was dead after first day and 2nd didn't even play besides first few hours, the last mafia guy can do whatever he wants. He could play like he's town even before 1st day ended. That's why I think it might be nice to vote on people that didn't vote on Firere and then voted on LoneMeow and Xzavier. Out of all of us only ffery meets this criteria... Not exactly true. I was the 2nd vote on Firere. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 20:13 GMT
#1574
On June 16 2013 05:02 iVLosK! wrote: Ambiguous means "not having clear meaning" so I clarified for you. If you want my opinion, just ask for my opinion. My opinion is that I prefer an Umasi vote over an Onegu vote due to voting histories. You think that Onegu was the kill target last night? Or that scum intentionally or unintentionally made no kill? Or something else? | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 20:15 GMT
#1575
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 20:42 GMT
#1579
On June 16 2013 05:27 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 05:15 fferyllt wrote: I guess there's still a chance that Stim could come in and counterclaim being blocked. Or that the JK could counterclaim that Onegu was the target, but I think that would have already happened if it was going to happen. Why bring this up I have nothing to gain by claiming. I'm thinking about all the permutations. I want to make sure I'm not missing a possibility. iV wanting to lynch Umasi today in the face of your claim to have been JK'ed seems pretty odd. If you were JKed then scum-you would pretty much have to claim it or go for some crazy 1v1 gambit. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 22:14 GMT
#1581
TBH if it's not Onegu, I'm going to have a nervous breakdown trying to decide between you or Umasi.for final scum. If it's Spicydinosaur he's earned the win with phenomenal day 1/night 1 play. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 22:37 GMT
#1583
On June 16 2013 07:33 iVLosK! wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 07:14 fferyllt wrote: TBH if it's not Onegu, I'm going to have a nervous breakdown trying to decide between you or Umasi.for final scum. In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Umasi is nervous scum. And what was Xzav? | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 23:20 GMT
#1585
On June 16 2013 07:59 iVLosK! wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 07:37 fferyllt wrote: On June 16 2013 07:33 iVLosK! wrote: On June 16 2013 07:14 fferyllt wrote: TBH if it's not Onegu, I'm going to have a nervous breakdown trying to decide between you or Umasi.for final scum. In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Umasi is nervous scum. And what was Xzav? You voted for him too, honey. I know. I still would like an answer to my question. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 15 2013 23:39 GMT
#1587
And you think that Umasi would skip a kill? You think he would genuinely believe he could get you lynched? Because even when I thought I might need to get you lynched if I'm wrong about Onegu, I wasn't sure I could do it in this environment. Some players just aren't easy to lynch. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 16 2013 05:01 GMT
#1599
On June 16 2013 13:47 s0Lstice wrote: fferyltt, you played really well. the one thing I would say is work on your confidence. Your reads were pretty darn good..sometimes you gotta browbeat people to get them to see the light. Did you really like that Xzav lynch? I bet you coulda stopped it if you were louder. Overall though your play was really fun to watch, I hope you play again. Speaking of the Xzav lynch....so confusing lol. He looked really town right from the starting gun. Things got weird, but a day 1 re-read really should have stopped his lynch imo. Onegu, you played a heroic scum game...the deck was stacked against you and you gave it a good fight. Fferyltt really needed to die though to a NK. In your shoes I'd have probably gunned for her night 1. thanks. was really disappointed with myself on day 3. my goal was to get onegu lynched and then jk iV again. I went back and forth on whether to trust iV and trust his reads when I did trust that he was town. I am usually not alive on day 3. my game is turned to day 1 and 2. I fall apart on day 3 and sometimes pull myself back together if I am still in the game in day 4. I thought I was way too obvious on night 1 telling SD that one of us would be around on day 2. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 16 2013 07:13 GMT
#1608
On June 16 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote: Ffer you are jailer right? This was my first game of maffia and want to thank my coach alot. I didnt think I needed to save him at the time the votes were so close and I went to sleep and we still didnt know yavanna was gone yet. Skanjab was a random kill night one I just got lucky. Because of the edited post I felt he iVlosK! was blue night 2. My night 3 kill target was going to be spicy even though I knew ffer was probraly jailer, then I was sure she was after I was roleblocked. Yes I was jailer. Good work figuring that out! On night 1 I purely went for protecting someone I thought was uber town. Spicydinosaur was first on Firere and had argued tirelessly against the Gotard lynch. I also thought that of all the players I thought were town, he was most likely to stay on Yavanna on day 2. I half expected to be the N1 kill depending on how experienced the scum team was because I knew I had dropped some PR tells on day 1. That final convo SD and I had before day 2 started was my breadcrumb about who I would JK in case I was the N1 kill. I didn't learn for sure that my targets got messages about it until Day 3.. On night 2 I decided to go with iV and I was equally interested in blocking or protecting. If someone else died then he would be confirmed town. If there was no NK, then I would have to figure out whether he was the intended victim or the perp. That was why I kept questioning him on day 3. I finally decided he'd been the kill target, but didn't know whether to trust his reads. As the idea of killing xZav or Umasi kept coming up, I began asking him about his experience playing with newbs because our reads on those two were not lining up. I concluded he had more experience playing with newbs than I did, and dropped my own day 2 plans which had been to get either Onegu or iV lynched and then JK whoever of them was left on night 3. Instead both were still alive and that made the JK decision much harder. With SD semi-cleared, and me leaning town again on iV, I went with a purely block decision and chose Onegu. I posted a blatant crumb a couple minutes after the night action deadline in case I was wrong. I figured if I was wrong, I was going to be dead. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 16 2013 07:22 GMT
#1610
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 16 2013 07:34 GMT
#1611
Anyway, here's the screed I thought about posting. I decided not to post it mostly because I thought I was probably the only living blue. -------------------------------------- There’s a pretty good chance I won’t be alive tomorrow, so I want give the blue roles some general advice, though you should of course talk to the coaches as well on how to play blue roles well. What I have to say is probably not optimal play for your particular role at the beginning of a game unless you have an excellent scumdar. But now that we have some card flips and some ideas on who might be scum this kind of strategy can be more helpful. Think like a vig. No matter what your role, even vanilla town, think like a vig. If you had one bullet, how would you use it? Now, think about how you can use your abilities to do something similar. If you are the doc, that guy you would have shot…who most needs protection from that specific person? If you are the cop, then that’s the person you want to view. If you are wrong, that’s ok, you should have a cleared townie tomorrow who was otherwise at risk of being mislynched. If you are role blocker, then same thing. Tonight, there is probably one killer left. If you block someone tonight and there is no kill, then there is a good chance you blocked scum. If there is a kill, then the person you blocked is 99% cleared because we probably don’t have 2 killers left after 2 scum dying. Anyway, think about ways to find scum and if you are wrong then to clear players who otherwise could be mislynches. | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 16 2013 08:03 GMT
#1614
On June 16 2013 16:51 Gotard wrote: Fun game I wish I had time to play it and be somewhat useful. You did ok! The combination of your play plus how the day 1 bandwagons developed put you in most players' town pile. If you had time to read and analyze more, that would have been awesome. Play another game! | ||
fferyllt
United States317 Posts
June 16 2013 08:15 GMT
#1615
On June 16 2013 17:02 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 14:01 fferyllt wrote: On June 16 2013 13:47 s0Lstice wrote: fferyltt, you played really well. the one thing I would say is work on your confidence. Your reads were pretty darn good..sometimes you gotta browbeat people to get them to see the light. Did you really like that Xzav lynch? I bet you coulda stopped it if you were louder. Overall though your play was really fun to watch, I hope you play again. Speaking of the Xzav lynch....so confusing lol. He looked really town right from the starting gun. Things got weird, but a day 1 re-read really should have stopped his lynch imo. Onegu, you played a heroic scum game...the deck was stacked against you and you gave it a good fight. Fferyltt really needed to die though to a NK. In your shoes I'd have probably gunned for her night 1. thanks. was really disappointed with myself on day 3. my goal was to get onegu lynched and then jk iV again. I went back and forth on whether to trust iV and trust his reads when I did trust that he was town. I am usually not alive on day 3. my game is turned to day 1 and 2. I fall apart on day 3 and sometimes pull myself back together if I am still in the game in day 4. I thought I was way too obvious on night 1 telling SD that one of us would be around on day 2. What made you decide to trust him? Mostly it was knowing that I turn into a paranoid basket case on day 3. I kept telling myself iV was probably town until I started believing it again. s0Lstice was right about my confidence problem. I'm confident to the point of arrogance on day 1 and if I survive I eventually get back to that place later in the game. Day 3 or 4 I tend to fall apart, get paranoid about all the people I read as town earlier in the game, and (probably the worst thing) look for someone who appears to have a clue, try to figure out why they think what they think, and then toss my own ideas out the window and follow them. Sometimes that works out great. Sometimes it doesn't. Having a night action tends to at least keep me focused once the game day ends. Sometimes I do better in that aspect of the game than I do with my vote, if scum give me a couple nights to do my thing. | ||
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