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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 07:58 marvellosity wrote: i'm basically out of this game, unless you guys vote for the troll.
blackmail? bullshit? totally.
that's how strongly i feel about it. his play here is total nonsense.
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 07:58 marvellosity wrote: i'm basically out of this game, unless you guys vote for the troll.
blackmail? bullshit? totally.
that's how strongly i feel about it. his play here is total nonsense. :| do you have memory problems answer me
um no but you're super not relevant right now
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Blazinghand
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So I'm not sure what to make of Marv's raging. He's done it before as town but he is a sly fox and I wouldn't put it past him to fake it as scum. That being said I think his decision to not be as mad any more is a reasonable move. I don't want to lynch him today, he's too useful/valuable in general and scum will shot him anyways if he's town.
I have two scumreads right now I want to look into.
2) JarJar. He's off the radar, not posting, active lurker. Don't like it. If he were straight up not posting, that's one thing. IT's another to come in and kinda waffle suspicion at someone then dip out. Not acceptable.
1) Stutters. His inconsistency on meta (link)( has been well-documented by GK. the really damning thing the thing that makes me think scum is this:
On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote: Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)?
as things were leading into a potential VA lynch stutters basically tries to soft attack VA and deflect responsibility. I eventually realized that VA's BS was not alignment-indicative, but at the time it looked like i was gonna go HAM on VA. Stutters vulture-like opportunism here smacks of scum looking to get on an easy wagon.
Stutters is scum, and I am voting him.
So should you.
##unvote ##vote stutters695
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:29 iamperfection wrote:so you dont remember this? On November 21 2012 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:So I'm dropping a made meta read on Iamp for his scum play in GSL Mini III and his town play in Liquid City. Iamperfections' meta as scum is lurking and big gaps between small posts, besides defending himself. As Town he tends to flood with smaller posts but he's always in the thread and interacting with people. Bearing in mind GSL Mini III is an unusually extreme version of Iamperf's meta, it's still indicative-- in fact, Hapa catches him as scum that game based on meta with extreme ease (link). In this game Iamperfection is doing his typical "bury them in a mountain of posts!" style town play. He has periods of 2-3 hours where he'll post like 10 times, then he'll go away for ~8 hours then come back and do the same. This is how he plays as town. n terms of associative tells, he interacts with Hapa in a natural way that doesn't seem like they're scum together. I also like this read he makes on kickstart early on (link) that as scum he wouldn't want to. His suspicions of Hapa (link) tie in well with his willingness to last-minute votehop (link). Although he does defend crossfire here (link) I view that as more a point in his favor than against him, as Crossfire was a liability for the scumteam and was inevitably gonna be lynched. In particular his interaction with marv here (link) and his attempts to get crossfire to play the damn game here (link) and here (link) make it seem like he really genuinely think crossfire is town. Basically I don't see scum making a post like this: (link) or like this: (link). This is all consistent with a legitimate town-read on cross, which, given the scenario, is a bad move as scum. Cross WAS going to flip eventually and bussing him was optimal scum play. I'm liking this a lot. Just sayin'
having read that, I now remember it! It didn't come to mind previously though.
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:35 marvellosity wrote: i'm voting for blazing. his stutters case is totally underwhelming.
##vote: blazinghand
Which point don't you like in the stutters case?
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote: Like, seriously. We have 2 scenarios:
1) blazing makes a shitload of effort to look at iamp's meta, having played with iamp before 2) blazing makes no effort to look at iamp's meta, despite having played with iamp's meta before
i'm liking the difference between 1 and 2 right now
dude I legit forgot, and fwiw I just voted him because he was being a douchebag. Given that you literally just went through this same thing like minutes ago I don't see how you're not aware of this. Once you brought up his meta, i did unvote him you know
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:37 marvellosity wrote: blazing, i kinda feel ok about a Jarjar vote instead. how does that feel?
if a stutters lynch isn't happening, jarjar is acceptable. that being said, I'd much prefer stutters. What do you think of his post about VA? Isn't that like a pretty scum-motivated move?
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote: Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.
i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".
can you?
if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then.
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote: Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.
i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".
can you? if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then. I don't like this, Blazing. i'm not going to shout at you, because I don't feel it's... productive. I know you're "up" on the TL scene to know enough that Stutters is generally an extremely lurky mofo. he has played 10 town games or so and always been lurky/useless in all of them. I don't like how much you generally like meta and how little you're willing to look into Stutters' meta. Do you understand my concerns?
no given that I just said I'll look into his meta
what is it with people just expecting me to pull meta cases out of my ass constantly
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Blazinghand
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and by "people" i mean "marv"
and by "constantly" i mean "today"
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Blazinghand
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ok I know I never pull this "irl" move but I'm literally in 3 games at once so you can't expect the same level of activity from me here. is the reason you're voting me really that I forgot about a meta case I made on iamp 7 months and like 10 games ago and I don't know stutter's meta
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 08:42 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote: Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.
i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".
can you? if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then. I don't like this, Blazing. i'm not going to shout at you, because I don't feel it's... productive. I know you're "up" on the TL scene to know enough that Stutters is generally an extremely lurky mofo. he has played 10 town games or so and always been lurky/useless in all of them. I don't like how much you generally like meta and how little you're willing to look into Stutters' meta. Do you understand my concerns? no given that I just said I'll look into his meta what is it with people just expecting me to pull meta cases out of my ass constantly well it gives an impression that you half assing your cases which i would think would be more likely from a scum bh.
yes, you're right, scum bh doesn't put a lot of effort into his cases, they are short and low effort, yes that is an accurate assessment of how bh plays as scum! you can definitely find games where he plays like that, and it's definitely not literally false, that idea
no wait the opposite of that
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Blazinghand
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ah, he has never rolled scum? if he hasn't rolled scum then there's nothing to say meta wise. unless a deviation is large, it could just be a variation within his normal town play. I can see why you'd be reluctant to lynch him, then.
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Blazinghand
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jarjar is actively lurking. with my stutters case defanged he is my only scumread. I vote him. you should also
##unvote ##vote jarjardrinks
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:50 marvellosity wrote: jarjar would. but so would others?
grush hasn't given us starsenses. i'd kinda like to lynch him for that tbh.
does he really claim town as towna nd not claim town as scum
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:51 iamperfection wrote:On May 18 2013 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 08:50 marvellosity wrote: jarjar would. but so would others?
grush hasn't given us starsenses. i'd kinda like to lynch him for that tbh. does he really claim town as towna nd not claim town as scum yes yes. 100%
wait, really 100%? >.>
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Blazinghand
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If he really always claims town as townie and NEVER claims town as scum, isn't that profoundly shitty play? doesn't that mean he's claimed scum this game and we should lynch him?
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Blazinghand
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On May 18 2013 17:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 17:36 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, when I was reading that part of his filter, I was feeling a bit suspicious of him. What do you make of him claiming he was drunk? Do you think that's a possible explanation for his erratic play? I already posted about that previously. Shit like that makes me suspicious because you are already trying to absolve yourself of responsibility from the things you say whilst you are saying them. Why bother saying anything at all then? I don't feel like scum Marv would claim being drunk just to act like an idiot in the thread.
he totally would
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Blazinghand
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this is the closest thign to "reasoning" about his townread on grush he currently has in his filter
On May 18 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Grush is town, if you vote him you're dumb, k.
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Blazinghand
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Fair enough. I wouldn't mind hearing this as well.
Also, I will admit that my case on JJD isn't as strong as I'd like it to be, but for what it's worth he IS active lurking. Examining his filter, we see he has made 4 posts this game.
Post one (link) is a bland hello post with some uninteresting information requests. On its own, not meaningful. Post two (link), a couple hours later, is a pointed/leading question with no followup asking grush about his read on sputnick. where is he leadking? Where are any reads or opinions? We never find out.
Post three (link) comes telling us he's been reading the thread and promising more content and post four is his amazing followup 3 hours later (link) that basically says there's a lot of activity, he intends to sheep, and... he doesn't understand my change in stance on vayne?
Like, I feel like the dude should have SOME opinions besides a question or a bland unmeaningful statement questioning the motives (but not saying anything) about my change of heart on VA. To clarify: at first, I thought VA's actions were completely unhelpful and antitown. After conversing with him a bit, I began to realize he actually seems to believe the crap he's talking about. I find it suspicious that you leave out this post (link), which I consider to be a pretty pivotal post in my interactions with VA. Although it comes after my unvote, it demonstrates a lot of my mindset about the guy: he simply doesn't get how the game works.
When it comes down to it, JJD, for a guy who's been reading the thread and "following loosely"... three hours later, this deep into the day, you sure have nothing to say but vague, vague questions about a guy voting him, you sure seem uninterested in sharing your thoughts.
You're definitely here, you're just choosing to lurk. This is what I mean by active lurking.
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