Like, okay let's take a step back. Where did Oats go? Didn't he like, just wake up and make his presence known?
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Like, okay let's take a step back. Where did Oats go? Didn't he like, just wake up and make his presence known? | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:40 Oatsmaster wrote: GUYS LYNCH HIRO CAUSE HE IS A WHINY SCUM PLAYER AND GIVES NO FUCKS ABOUT LYNCHING HIS TARGET, OO. AND WANTS A NO LYNCH. am I doing this right VE? That's better, but can you hold the indignation? | ||
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##Vote: ObviousOne Because I'm leaving for home and can't guarantee I'll get there by lynch time. | ||
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You ha ve my word. In fact, I don't even want you to unvote me: call it incentive. | ||
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When he started his self-voting bullshit, he was already heading down a lurky path and the votes didn't surprise me...nor did his insistence that he just didn't want to play anymore. Except...he did want to play didn't he? Once an opportunity to live cropped up (in the form of VE pushing Vayne, a townie) he jumped on it - first by arguing with me (verily without reading the post I made even), then by agreeing with me. Considering we ended up no-lynching last night, I'm inclined to believe that OO is scum. Think of it like this: OO's self-push was one of the main reasons he was a top candidate yesterday to begin with. If ObviousOne was town, I would have expected a self-hammer from him...he would have recognized the position he'd be in today and would have tried to save town a mislynch by self-hammering yesterday. That's my opinion. That we're dealing with a self-preserving scum-OO who's more interested in spreading doubt and confusion than helping town find scum. ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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Just sayin. I'm going to work. | ||
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I've been operating under the assumption that scum would have hammered OO if he were town. Frankly I hadn't considered that maybe all the active scum at the time were on the wagon already because my assumption was based on the notion that OO was scum and VERY FEW scum were actually on his wagon at all. :/ ##Unvote I'm caught up. I think we should be lynching HiroPro. Hiro's play has been pretty "standoffish" and I'm not referring to his activity. Early on he was all up in DP's face about the miller claim, which seemed townie enough at the time - but go over his filter. Does he ever get all up in peoples' face because they're scummy or because they're scum? The only time he does is re: OO, found here: On May 14 2013 03:30 HiroPro wrote: yo, let's lynch obviousone. if you haven't do so go back and look at his views on darthpunk, especially the point where he shifts from calling the claim meaningless to attacking him. Look at the amount of times where he calls out a person for inactivity without actually bringing up something specific that he wants to ask them. It looks like someone trying to be seen as promoting discussion without actually doing anything.1) the last list post where he said three people that would be good lynches looks like a straight fluff post. there's almost nothing in that post that's actually relevant to this game (most of it is just a lazy attempt at "meta") and what little is there isn't even true. He doesn't even say anything about oatsmaster beyond "i'm not sure how to tell if he's mafia. i'll look at his games later".2) also note the way that obviousone responds to any accusations or suspicion which actually have reasons behind them (not just "oh you scum"). in almost all cases he responds with some irrelevant comment and tries to brush it away. 3)in general this is something that mafia are much more likely to do instead of trying to explain their own actions further. ##Vote ObviousOne Here are my problems with this post. 1) He accuses OO of bringing up people for inactivity while doing nothing to further the game himself at all. I'd probably agree with this sentiment, but I've read Hiro's filter. I guess he was looking for posts like On May 14 2013 07:22 HiroPro wrote: shirokami seems like a good lynch also. On May 15 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: viscera, do you actually think that you can get vayne lynched today? On May 15 2013 05:34 HiroPro wrote: s&b, how do you feel about lynching obviousone? from OO. No followup on any of these, they serve no purpose. And in that first one he's even calling Shiro a good lynch with ZERO reasoning attached...which he's accusing OO of in the second paragraph! 3) In my experience, this is straight up false. Scum feel far more inclined to explain their actions than town do. Town are FAR more likely to just brush off accusations of them, because they're TOWN! Their accusers are, by definition, wrong...so in general townies have no reason to respond to accusations until there's a threat of death. After D1, he developed some kind of scumread on Vivax. Based on....agreeing with BH? Like, I guess he was expecting Vivax to explicitly say WHY he had a townread on BH. But why? Vivax provided his own reasoning for being on WoS, and it's a perfectly townie response to think that people who agree with you are town. Perhaps not the best play, but natural nonetheless and definitely not exclusively the bailiwick of scum. But Hiro tries to paint it as scummy in this post. On May 16 2013 10:11 HiroPro wrote: What reasons are there for a town player to outright follow another player just based on who they are? The most common are that they have a strong town read on that player and a reasonably good opinion of their ability or that they have such a high view of that person's ability that they'll blindly follow them, enamored by the thought that this player will solve the game for them and make everything right (a la prplhz/Mattchew). In Vivax's posts, I don't see a single reason for thinking that Blazinghand is town. In fact, the only time Vivax ever mentions an opinion on Blazinhand's alignment (before following him) is when he says that BH reminds him more of his mafia play than his play as detective. After that there's never any indication of a reason for thinking BH is town that doesn't have to do with the push on WaveOfShadow. At the same time, when asked why he values BH's ability highly, Vivax can't (or won't) offer up a single reason or example. There is a good reason for mafia to do this kind of play though: avoiding responsibility. The reasons that Vivax gives for WaveOfShadow being mafia are always balanced out by the explanation that he's mostly doing it because BH is so confident and gave a '10'. Mafia are often concerned about negative backlash from a mislynch and Vivax appears to use BH's presence as a way to avoid this danger and instead pin the blame on someone else. The bolded statement I find incredibly ironic - especially considering his newfound aversion to lynching OO, and desire to lynch me. Since the N1 flips Hiro has done virtually nothing. He HAS said however that he's not willing to lynch OO. No reason given. But frankly he's right - my reasoning on OO is bad, and I feel bad...but I'm not scum. ##Vote: HiroPro OO I'm sorry I ever doubted you will you please be my friend again and lynch this guy with me? | ||
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On May 17 2013 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, VE is the funner vet to lynch. Srsmode Oats, daddy's home. This trolly shit stops now. | ||
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OO your similar cooperation/open-mindedness is requested NAY! REQUIRED! | ||
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Someone I DID read through though was Viviax. He's not scum. :OOOOOOOOOOOO No seriously, I filtered Vivax because he died and maybe scum killed him. Brilliant exercise, if you don't with Vivax I highly suggest you do it in this game sometime. On May 16 2013 06:14 Vivax wrote: I think it will rather be me and/or BH. No one is considering us for lynch, and WoS is scum. You know what to do if we die tonight. Lynch that dude. No WIFOM bullshit. Go read what dead people wrote. Vivax said this. Vivax said this and then died. Two things pop into my mind reading this. 1) Vivax was town. 2) Scum knew Vivax was town. Or to put it another way: 1) Vivax' suspicion of WoS was genuine. Vivax is a good player and in my last game he caught 2 scum on D1. I shouldn't forget this. 2) Vivax might be wrong. I've thought WoS was town since earlier when BH was putting him through the wringer. But when people die, survivors go back and read things. And Vivax wanted WoS dead. And scum killed Vivax. So how likely are scum to shoot Vivax if WoS is scum? Obviously he was a huge detractor and said several times to "lynch this guy tomorrow if I die." Vivax WOULD have been targeting WoS today. And with BH leading the charge, there very well may have been a WoS lynch today. Depending on the team...pretty likely I guess. Now: how likely are scum to shoot Vivax if WoS is town? He was thoroughly convinced of WoS' guilt, and on top of that he wasn't even the main force behind the WoS wagon, that was BH. That means that they can kill Vivax, AND the lynch on WoS isn't compromised! Regardless of the team, I think this is HIGHLY LIKELY THE CASE. Allow me to present you with an alternative option: On May 16 2013 07:47 Vivax wrote: I have to say that you bother me somewhat, too, upon reading. You talked a lot about coming to the conclusion that prplhz is probably town and what he does is so bad but I hardly see you pushing cases on people since the one on OO. Your whole push against OO looks like a calculated tunnel, your other reads are weird and don't include much reasoning. You don't inquire as much as I would want you to. You don't seem to give updates based on OO's newer play, but keep pointing to an old case. There seems to be very few doubt in your filter. I initially saw your firm opinions as town tell, but since they're becoming too firm on the timeline, they are actually looking like agenda now. I didn't check how my other reads treated you, but you sure are a good candidate for scum just based on that. Vivax was also starting to get suspicious of HiroPro. I posit that the NK on Vivax was designed specifically to incriminate WoS while simultaneously silencing Vivax regarding HiroPro. Vivax was also passingly suspicious of prplhz, but that seemed to fizzle out as the day wore on...it's possible that maybe prplhz is scum based on this? I've had a tentative townread on prplhz all game, but frankly I totally missed that Vivax was suspicious of him D1. I'ma go reread prplhz now. I should go to bed, but I read Vivax to find more scum and ended up only reaffirming the one scum I'd already found | ||
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But REMIND ME TOMORROW ABOUT PRPLHZ CAUSE I'M SLEEPING AFTER THIS | ||
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But something about it. Like look at this post: On May 16 2013 13:40 shirokami wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: How the fuck does this make any sense at all? Is this an association tell based on me as well? The fact that Vivax afked the latter half of yesterday and left his vote on me is enough for you because BH changed it, even though BH was the main and aggressive proponent of my lynch all yesterday? Fuck this is stupid. I just lost my hope on BH and vivax seems like a good guy, and I also want to see you hang buddy. Im like a the tramp dog from dat disney movie, on monday I eat at this italian who gives me pizza, next day I eat at donnie's who gives me some chicken. Im not a genius, I dont make posts that are hard to read because they are too long and full of emotional or useless bullshit, I dont say someone is scum because of his meta. I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is. BUT I will tell my OWN opinion when I seem it is necessary. but now, it is N1 and thx to some stupid people there were no-lynch. The NK will tell us something, And If I have an opinion about it, I will post it. My filter is short, and rayn and vivax can already tell that im town based on it, do you know why? IT IS EASY TO READ. Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is." UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD. ##Summon: Promethelax ##Summon: Blazinghand ##Summon: slOosh You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one. | ||
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On May 15 2013 16:19 Vivax wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nice voting fail How can people bring up new lynch targets so close to deadline? Looking at the late vayne pushers here. Vayne reacting openly anti-town is worth nothing though. I wonder, why does nobody wonder that scum OBVIOUSLY wasn't pushing the WoS wagon? Unless you think me, BH and Shiro are scum, it gives you a good picture, but Shiro is confirmed town in my book, so lynch WoS please. On May 15 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah that's all i need, shirokami is town. Yes. | ||
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