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No hilarious meta case came of my request. I has a sad.
I haven't looked at dead people's filters in a while. Gonna relax for a few min and try to fire up the old noggin. Check see how their reads line up with what's happening now and what has changed.
WoS don't lose your mind just yet. Yamato please stop rising to the bait. Manner.
O'Doyle Rules.
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I feel like I asked this before, was Rayn considered possibly the 3P kill?
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On May 01 2013 12:49 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:44 ObviousOne wrote: I feel like I asked this before, was Rayn considered possibly the 3P kill? I think grush was the sort of "accepted" 3p kill because he wasn't really appearing to be a huge threat to the mafia, while rayn was making really solid cases and analysis at the time. People thought that grush seemed like a safe 3p kill because he was unlikely to be protected or killed by mafia, so that it would be guaranteed to lower town numbers. Oh, okay. Yeah, then my conspiracy theory shit should probably be held back for now. LOL. Rayn's filter points to WoS possibly being 3P if it was the other way around. Grush was on the right track enough that I could see scum shooting him. /justsayin
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On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote: It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one.
Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter.
P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
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On April 24 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote: BM.
What's your stance on yamato currently? What do we make of tube and Drazak? Drazak = Artanis now Artanis has been on mah radar
On May 01 2013 07:39 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Is he a better check than say Artanis? I was gonna check Artanis since he keeps promising to do stuff and keeps complaining about having done stuff and I can't see any stuff he's actually done. Watch Artanis have rolled GF two scum games in a row. Fuck. Explains why he would give no fucks in a game without vigilantes and a shit load of cops. Makes sense balance wise too. Three cops, scum team needs traps.
He's looked through a few filters (Kush. GiygaS) has townreads on them. Cool. I guess he wants to kill the Cobbles. Hasn't pushed it, sort of pushing Palmar to do it. Palmar isn't going to do it (lollazy) so that's going to go nowhere. Want to see some direction from Artanis on the soon-like.
He wants to hear more from stutters, not just kill him. Artanis more patient with lurkers than me? Unpossible. Gotta be town. /jokes
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On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. What if he solved the game for us right here. What if we just lynched everyone in that list top to bottom? I'd take the death, tbh, just to see it work out.
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On May 01 2013 13:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 13:20 ObviousOne wrote:On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. What if he solved the game for us right here. What if we just lynched everyone in that list top to bottom? I'd take the death, tbh, just to see it work out. OO you're like amazing at this game. Just sayin. You are also stellar at this game, charming and handsome.
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Wait were you ribbing me!?
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I don't take it back anyway =[
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So from what I gather the Artanis and Stutters slots are still under suspicion and have been since Day 1 but not really being pushed due to more objectively scummy players. Not a lot is being done by them, both playing catch up it seems and that's really hindering us getting reads on them. Would be nice to get some scum reads from both and maybe they could even push a case or two considering we likely have 3 people to lynch before we win. Does anyone have a plan or way for them to meaningfully contribute besides pointing them to filters we are interested in? Have them re-read D2 or something and see who/how opposed supported the ShiaoPi lynch and their stated reasons, see who's reasons or actions during voting were suspect? I really want to be able to get a read on these guys; I'm feeling almost there with Artanis but I'm not committed to my read on him yet.
Like telling them what to do and them doing it won't make them town, but their insights should have us figure them out, so IDK if that's what we want to push them to do at this point, or if anyone has any other ideas? Filters are OK I guess but meh =\
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You could say that based on that, him living another day seems pretty
Hopeless
I award you THREE OO-points and may God have mercy on his soul.
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Whatever at least I pagesniped P200
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So yeah this idea just occurred to me while I was killing the fuck out of the undead and demons and shit in D3.
(Sorry Mr. Cheesecake for what is about to go down)
Pre-flip association case - because I might die and I want to say this before night ends
Let's pretend your name is BloodyCobbler, and you sign up for a mafia game. Then, when you get your role PM, you get some really, really bad news. You are mafia. Okay, so that's not bad news, the bad news is that you are mafia and it's with Tube, Clarity, ShiaoPi, and Hopeless1der. So you go into the thread like you always do to make your presence known, but you're sour. You're sour on life. You hate your game's host with a passion. Hell hath no fury like a Scorned Cobbler (and it just plain doesn't taste as good anymore). You lost your Bertie Bott's flavored beans you just bought. You want to unleash some of the inner demon, so you start talking shit in the game thread. You prepare to say Avada Kedavra like you mean that shit.
So you shit up the thread a little bit, because it's a) a way to release a little pressure and b) shit up the thread and keep town off kilter and c) fuck it, you're the boss of this scum team and you're gonna Cobble it up like nobody has Cobbled before. You're ready to fight for your life, you will bus without a second though, though you may display your "reservations" to your fellow players in the thread.
You hate your team, you hate this shitty situation you find yourself in, you're barely going to be around yourself, and so you call everyone bad. You want them on the back foot. But what is this? WHO IS THIS DUDE? OBVIOUSWHAT? Specifically you say he's (me! ME!) too good to be this bad and must be mafia.
On April 23 2013 05:35 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. I claimed I hadn't read my role PM (and I hadn't when I posed) and created similar chaos in RED. You would have lynched me for that as well? Also, if you want the level of play of TL mafia to improve maybe have some fucking goodwill and share that experience with people so you don't end up calling entire towns shit when most people seem to be playing to the best of their time/ability. Like seriously, you are further enforcing the forum meta that being an asshole to others will somehow encourage them to do better. Let me drop you a hint, it doesn't work on everyone, even if it works on some. That attitude will drive people away and it'll be you and a handful of other obnoxious people shitting up game threads that nobody wants to join because they would rather have a dentist appointment than the displeasure of dealing with being told they are awful every single game.
The manner police are out in full force. So you reign it in. You will emulate.
On May 01 2013 10:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:18 Palmar wrote:On May 01 2013 10:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 01 2013 10:15 Palmar wrote: also bc isn't town. Ace probably is, and VE might be. I am town. But its nice to know you still can't read me for shit. you never do jack shit on the one day of mafia that I think matters and the one day I'm actually very good at, day 1. So I don't care if I can't read you, not my problem See I don't explain myself a lot but I do shit if required. Hell the last few games I've played I have had usually the best reads day 1 in the games I am in. I just don't explain them. Why? Because explaining the feeling of "Off" based on like 1-2 posts someone makes is not useful. You can say you are really good at day 1, but I didn't see you catching mafia, I saw you being a dick to a player who called you out.
You are ready to blend. But not like the TV show because that's just wrong (unless you're some kind of peach cobbler in which case fucking fire that blender up and let's make dessert).
The slip:
On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote:On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum. A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post. BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl. I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard" I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
The fall:
On April 24 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening. I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons. Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations. I took a step back and thought about it. How did I do?
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ITT: artanis happy it wasn't a case on him
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We are simply not lynching palmar today. Anyone who has seriously suggested that we do so needs to take a break, step back, think about why, and prove to me he's the best lynch today.
Cop claim? Probably true Broken cop? Definitely Lazy? Tautology (see also n. Palmar) Wants to kill BC? Isolate his reasons outside of his check. I wanted to kill BC d1 too for being sort of a jerk. From what I remember, because it would be fun? It totally would.
Today Palmar is my ally in lynching BC. I have demonstrated a scum mindset on BC's behalf that no one has proven to be demonstrably false.
We are running out of objectively scummy shit to lynch for.
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Listen to Scumcast 3, really actually listen to it don't just play it in the background. Palmar talks about D1 lynches. It totally fits with everything he said in the cast. Oats was a good D1 lynch even though Oats was town. You cannot apologize for lynching town D1, and since you are usually going to hit town you have to make it a GOOD D1 lynch. A GOOD D1 lynch gives you information without lynching for information. You have people take sides, you see who flies in the face of logic, reason, how people escape the noose. Accept the fact that D1 lynches tend to hit town, accept that he understands and embraces this, and use the information constructively. His slip isn't a scum slip, it's his actual mindset.
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Clear up this mason thing STAT, either BM has two people confused or ???. Meanwhile voting hopeless because lulz shamelessly sheeping and not so secretly hoping it's true so my BC mind read works out.
Also to anyone voting Ace today: wtf?? Project for later. Issuing you a DMCA takedown request.
Used up my brainpower yesterday, still recharging. O'Doyle Rules.
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On May 03 2013 21:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 15:02 ObviousOne wrote: Clear up this mason thing STAT, either BM has two people confused or ???. Meanwhile voting hopeless because lulz shamelessly sheeping and not so secretly hoping it's true so my BC mind read works out.
Also to anyone voting Ace today: wtf?? Project for later. Issuing you a DMCA takedown request.
Used up my brainpower yesterday, still recharging. O'Doyle Rules. OO you're confirmed town so please pull your head out of your ass. Explain in detail why you think leaving Ace for later is a good idea, knowing that you're essentially forcing our JK to roleblock him instead of attempting to save townies? I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your game host because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the mafia and the third party and the Russians and the lazy bums in the thread. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a TOWN PERSON, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to your browser. Open it, and bring up the game, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!'
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Fine, but that's pretty ageist.
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