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On May 01 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:02 GiygaS wrote:On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote: Fine.
Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless?
Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia. Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you? This fucking guy. HEY. Wtf is this?? You're calling him out for essentially EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL GAME? I never went :"GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS GUY?" Just because I've posted cases mostly on people already under suspicion does not mean that I haven't put work in to them. Now that I've read Yamato's post on Hopeless, I see that he's doing that either now as well.
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Some other things I've noticed:
On April 22 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't see it as particularly telling of either alignment as it was Vivax's first post. I read it and just kind of shook my head. I can follow not wanting to lynch him based on being reckless, though not with the certainty that Palmar has suggested. I'm specifically interested in the bolded. I think there's a reasonable value oddly enought to the Vivax conjecture. Anyone who posted early is more likely, as a general rule, to be town as scum are more likely consult a QT for direction and coordinate first. The problem with the heuristic is quite simply that it doesn't work for everyone equally; as a general rule, I think it's likely to be true, but without applying it to the specific people that posted early makes it more of a generally worthless statement. Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then yamato--I am unaware of his scum tendencies, but don't think that posting early is indicative either way oats--AFAIK he's a vet, in the least he's towards the spammy aggressive side which makes posting early non-alignment indicative WoS--he always rolls scum so there's that I guess geript--Clearly an egotistical maniac and posted in The Game early as scum, so again non-alignment indicative Shaio--No clue as to experience, wanting to kill BM is more likely town Vivax--I'm not familiar enough with his meta, but the odd statement alone makes me think he's more likely town as I don't think he's crazy enough to spout that as scum So far, the list of people that I'm not interested in lynching today: Sylencia Vivax Shaio Palmar
On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. Here Ace defends TRN, if either come up mafia, lynch the other. Can one of the vets answer my question about Ace's activity btw?
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On May 01 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:16 GiygaS wrote:On May 01 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 11:02 GiygaS wrote:On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote: Fine.
Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless?
Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia. Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you? This fucking guy. HEY. Wtf is this?? You're calling him out for essentially EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL GAME? I never went :"GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS GUY?" Just because I've posted cases mostly on people already under suspicion does not mean that I haven't put work in to them. Now that I've read Yamato's post on Hopeless, I see that he's doing that either now as well. Show me, GoogleS. Show me your cases. I want to see them. And I already know about the Sylencia case. Show me. I'm working on things, I'm re-reading the entire thread, and writing notes as I go
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EBWOP: To that geript quote: it still just smells scummy. Became even more so with the Shiao defense now.
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I should note this is when sharrant was pushing on TRN and asked him what he thought. It's a soft defense, is it not?
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If people want context, the quote is from page 25.
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On the subject of Hopeless:
On April 22 2013 21:30 Hopeless1der wrote:What the fuck is this suspicion on me based on? My determination to "Shut down townreads"? Yes, when you're handing them out like hotcakes and trying to hold hands singing kumbya. This is Mafia, not summer camp singalong. I'm not discouraging reasonable townreads, I'm trying to keep things objective and informed. The two points against me are my comments on VE's entrance and Vivax/Palmar's entrance posts. For VE, watch carefully: + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:50 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:48 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them. Why wouldn't scum know what he meant? They had to do the exact same thing, the only difference is they had a QT in their PM. They still have to look up if they are framer,rber,godfather or whatever. Literally every person has to reference the op for their role, regardless of alignment. How would you even know this? Are you scum? Did you receive a QT in your PM? Did you receive the QT in the same pm or a different pm? You are treading on highly suspicious ground for me because as a hydra I received my hydra QT in the same PM. You aren't a hydra clearly. How would you know that? On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:Sample PMs:How the fuck is this so difficult to understand? Am I trying to prevent townreads? You could say that. However, the reasoning used to attain a townread on VE was true of literally every player in the game. It's the equivalent of calling anyone who doesn't post for more than an hour scum. Man's gotta sleep right? Same way he has to READ THE OP TO LEARN WHAT HIS ROLE IS???
Vivax/Palmar's openings: Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic. Let me break this shit down: DAY 1 POST timestamp On April 21 2013 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:Vivax's first posts, the ones Palmar was referring to Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:23 Vivax wrote: Good morning. Is it safe to assume scum didn't post yet? Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote: Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. So roughly an hour and a half. In addition there were 15ish posts between 6 players, obs notwithstanding. Also, the game started in the dead of night where I am. Hydra Mini scum in ~30 minutes, 33 posts into the game. Ego Mini: scum posted within an hour of game start. 34 posts in. Noir Mini: scum four minutes and 6 posts into the game British Empire II second post of the game 3 minutes in. Red team's prize Scum in under an hour, 25 posts in. The Game scum 5 minutes in, second post All of these games violate Vivax's heuristic, but fuck me for pointing it out (without proof i guess) and questioning Palmar as to why he felt it was valuable, eh guys? . These are literally games just going down the list of the TL Mafia forum. I'm obviouscum trying to derail town from giving out Completely valid and well thought out town reads based on sound reasoning. Nah, you can all go die in a fire if you want to lynch me for this.
As of right now, I'm on Sharrant's side and would lynch rayn. I disllike his backpedal about "policy" miller lynching. I dislike his case overall as it is largely OMGUS, but still asks questions of the person he is accusing. However, his preface to his case was here: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what Sharrant.. Are you seriously saying that i'm trying to gain credit from town!TRN lynch on D1 as mafia? That's your conclusion? Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Sharrant, where are the other mafia players voting for TRN so that i can gain credit from the lynch? These two quotes don't accomplish anything to me. He's just throwing the question back at sharrant like a stall tactic of feigning disbelief. For having come up with a scumread on Sharrant it seems grounded in the fact that Sharrant is wrong, not necessarily scum. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I fail to see how Sharrant can possibly think i am taking his "bait" and defending town!TRN (as he's now saying) as mafia. If TRN was my lynchbait, i would need my teammates to vote for him to gain the credit, otherwise defending him is useless for me. There is/was noone else voting for TRN.
That's the worst reasoning to backpedal from a scumread i have ever heard. On top of that, Sharrant obviously hasn't even read why i think TRN is town. Hint: The post where i answer OO about him. "If I WERE mafia, blah blah blah" No. I say you ARE mafia. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet My read that I had on Hopeless changed when I reread this post, that was a ton of work to prove that heuristic wrong (I doubt a mafia would do that much), and despite being wrong about rayn, he posts some good stuff on him.
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On May 01 2013 11:35 TheRavensName wrote: Gly, I dislike that your trying to bring up such old old shit when so much stuff has happened sense then. Well when I'm re-reading the thread, I'm gonna bring up old shit. Maybe this old shit may help us figure out who the fuck is scum, especially with things we know now.
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On May 01 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Good case. I'm done guys, I'm just done. These aren't cases, these are thoughts I'm posting as I'm reading. I'll go back to note-taking and posting only if I see something, only reason I started posting as I saw stuff is someone (WONDER WHO THAT WAS) was complaining I wasn't posting my thoughts enough.
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EBWOP: Also note on the Hopeless thing, that Vivax WAS wrong in his heuristic. ShiaoPi posted before his assumption was posted.
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On May 01 2013 11:39 TheRavensName wrote: Yes, and its also a convient excuse to not do SHIT because yhour reading almost 200 pages worth of shit. I think we can find relevant things that were forgotten about after we have had 9 flips. Again, I'm going to be staying up all night if it takes me that long to read this, this is not an excuse to not do shit.
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On May 01 2013 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:38 GiygaS wrote:On May 01 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Good case. I'm done guys, I'm just done. These aren't cases, these are thoughts I'm posting as I'm reading. I'll go back to note-taking and posting only if I see something, only reason I started posting as I saw stuff is someone (WONDER WHO THAT WAS) was complaining I wasn't posting my thoughts enough. Show me where I said that. Well thought-out cases that may take a while to post because critical thought is being undertaken =/= posting your thoughts every 5 seconds. You saying I don't have any cases on people currently under suspicion could be interpreted that way. Again, I'll shut up and just note take now if you're so offended by my current posts. Expect thoughts after I finish the thread, and as the night goes on I'll stay active.
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On May 01 2013 12:44 ObviousOne wrote: I feel like I asked this before, was Rayn considered possibly the 3P kill? I think grush was the sort of "accepted" 3p kill because he wasn't really appearing to be a huge threat to the mafia, while rayn was making really solid cases and analysis at the time. People thought that grush seemed like a safe 3p kill because he was unlikely to be protected or killed by mafia, so that it would be guaranteed to lower town numbers.
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It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested.
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On May 01 2013 15:55 ObviousOne wrote:You could say that based on that, him living another day seems pretty HopelessI award you THREE OO-points and may God have mercy on his soul. I wonder how many times Hopeless has seen that joke. That is a pretty damn good case on the dude though.
Page 80: MUST KEEP GOING.
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Wait, I got it! You could say that that joke was the
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Ok I'll stop now.
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Curse you broken formatting, curse you.
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I'm sorry guys but it's basically 3 in the morning. I'll finish this as soon as I can tomorrow, but I'm afraid of falling asleep at my desk (it almost just happened).
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Just catching up, and still on only page 120 of the re-read due to sleep + school. However, we should NOT lynch Palmar. He has a huge town read for me as his first finger pointing for mafia was Clarity on day 1, along with BM. Both of them can not be scum in my eyes for that reason, unless one of them straight up slips.
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