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cosmicomics
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Sorry about the multi-posts. Thinks just came to me as I was reviewing things and I didn't want to lose the thoughts. | ||
cosmicomics
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On March 25 2013 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote: In any case all of that is just speculation and isn't important right now considering we can't even hunt scum. Cosmic you think kita is scum and I think he's town. Care to elaborate? I'm honestly not so certain of my reads anymore considering how the game has gone thus far. Really wish I could actually fucking use my night action. Of course; if anything I plan to elaborate all of tomorrow. I'm just waiting for his response concerning glurio for the final piece in my case. I haven't bothered defending myself because 1) most people haven't made an honest effort to lynch me, and instead have been riding on atmosphere / feelings 2) the people who have, I haven't seen particularly strong points. Am I conceited? Maybe. But I don't think it's really beneficial to go back, find every instance of suspicion on me, and then address them point by point. I'll address the cases if they become relevant. | ||
cosmicomics
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On March 25 2013 14:16 Coagulation wrote: ryu and geript are who im looking at for lynch tomorrow. Do you think Wade Fell's interaction with geript was all faked and planned out? | ||
cosmicomics
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kitaman27 is a seasoned mafia vet and is capable of playing very well as either alignment. You won't catch him with "scum slips" or anything blatant like that. You need to look at deeper motives and really look at context to see subtle mafia agenda actions. First is his big case on WaveofShadow D2. If you reread how D2 unfolded, you would have noticed that there was a reasonable amount of suspicion and attention on Wade Fell as he garnered several votes. You have to watch the timing. kitaman27's case comes in at a timing to shift the attention off the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes interaction entirely, by offering a new prospective lynch target, namely WaveofShadow. His follow up post addressing the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes reveals the mafia agenda. On March 20 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote: It would be silly to lynch either of VE or BH this cycle. Both are claimed blues. Let the mafia deal with them. If the issue is still around in two or three cycles, than we address it, but not on day two where there are so many other things to look at. It's very subtle isn't it? He shifts attention away from the whole VisceraEyes / Wade Fell by "letting mafia deal with them". He implants the idea into town that it is very "silly" to look into these two suspects, and that the night actions will resolve the whole issue. The bolded part shows his intent to push the focus away. So many other things to look at? Why is the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes situation something not worth looking at / trying to figure out? Why does he work to take not only his attention, but the rest of town's away from the issue onto a new topic in WaveofShadow? This is mafia misdirection at it's finest. You don't have to come into the thread and take bold stances you will be accountable for later on. All you have to do is evade the issue entirely and get people to focus on something else. No one can hold you accountable. This is further supported in the way that he really works to drive this case home. + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote: Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote: I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote: This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. On March 20 2013 10:06 kitaman27 wrote: I might have to call you a liar now. Your explanation on the DarthPunk vote was: Your explanation on the GreYMisT vote was larger, but at that point you were preaching to the choir, as you were the 12th person on him. There was nobody to convince at that point. And here is your explanation of the wiggles vote, aided by a few other one liners about how he is lazy. Of course I would like you to go into further detail. Calling yourself town doesn't convince other players that you are town. Posting a case and pushing a lynch is what does that. I spent 2 hours reading the thread and another hour on my case against you. You look like you've sent 3 minutes deciding who to jump on. On March 20 2013 10:16 kitaman27 wrote: Since I made it pretty clear what I thought about his alignment, I'd be much more interested listening to what you had to say, rather than justifying it for you. Do you have a mafia read on Wave? On March 20 2013 10:26 kitaman27 wrote: How is your alignment in past games relevant at all? Look at how much effort he puts into getting everyone to focus on this lynch. Now, let's do a comparison case to the glurio case. Absolutely no follow up. No effort into convincing people, no effort to get opinions out of people, no effort to push the wagon. What's the difference? There isn't a pressing need to take attention off of a teammate like in the case of Wade Fell. There is only the need to maintain the image of scumhunting. Now, let's look further into his glurio read. If you read D2 carefully, you would notice that glurio posted a case on WaveofShadow maybe 3 hours earlier than kitaman27's case. Pull up the cases side by side and compare. What do you notice? They both use very similar bodies of evidence and similar reasoning. The only difference is that kitaman27's case has more paragraphs and quotes and formatting. But the essence is the same. Yet this is kitaman27's #2 scum read. Think about it. If someone makes a case using the same body of evidence and same type of reasoning before you present your own case, wouldn't that give you serious pause before thinking they are scum? Given how vehemently kitaman27 pushed the WaveofShadow case, it must mean that he felt that the case was really good, and that since only glurio picked up on it before anyone else, that glurio was thinking along the same lines. I.e. he was thinking like town. But nope. kitaman27 has glurio at #2 scum read. Not only that, but as glurio perceptively points out On March 26 2013 02:02 glurio wrote: You still have a scum read on me even after i posted a case on CC, which is my #1 scumread at the moment, kita? I'd like to see how you plan to make that work. kitaman27 isn't thinking holistically about the game at all, despite telling everyone that that is exactly what he has been doing. kitaman27 has been subtly working behind the sense to further mafia agenda and his inconsistencies and timings betray himself. To close I would draw attention to Mr. Wiggles' posts where he notes kitaman27's passive play and apathy, which serves to further highlight how out of place his intense WaveofShadow wagon push is. On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: People to really watch out for: Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content. kitaman27 is the scum mastermind who has been manipulating town from behind the scenes. kitaman27 is the lynch for today. Vote: kitaman27 | ||
cosmicomics
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On March 26 2013 01:41 kitaman27 wrote: Notice how he isn't voting GreYMisT after explaining why GreYMisT is scum. He is voting GreYMisT because "zarepath will quickly expose himself if he is indeed scum". This reason for voting GreYMisT has nothing to actually do with GreYMisT. A misinterpretation. That line merely served to explain my preference of GreYMisT over zarepath, not my explanation of lynching GreYMisT. On March 26 2013 01:41 kitaman27 wrote: Now lets take a look at his day three vote. He references a single post by BH and throws down his vote. Wiggles was probably the single most talked about player this game and this is actually the first time cosmic brings his name up. Again, he doesn't actually bring any evidence to the table, he simply jumps on board with the cases that others have presented. Again another misinterpretation. Wade Fell / VisceraEyes were the most talked about players and it is kitaman27 who only had a passing comment upon these two players. kitaman27 acts as if everyone needs to "bring something to the plate" when it was quite obvious why people were voting Mr. Wiggles (lurking & trying to find blame for the Ace mislynch). There's nothing "new" to bring. On March 26 2013 01:41 kitaman27 wrote: Now onto the important part, his day two push on VE. This is a classic example of the chainsaw defense and I expect it to get a lot of discussion during post game. For those unfamiliar with the chainsaw defense, its a common mafia tactic where you defend your scum buddy by attacking their attacker. cosmic's case against VE: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: I don't understand why we are scrutinizing Wade Fell and not even glancing over at VisceraEyes. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: ]There should be absolutely no issue with Wade Fell defending whom he thinks is a town read, unless VisceraEyes suspects that both goodkarma and Wade Fell are scum, and that Wade Fell is defending goodkarma using fabricated evidence. Nothing in VisceraEyes' case indicates that he believes this, so there is no town alibi for saying this. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: You don't say that someone makes an excellent point, and then totally ignore it when evaluating their play. But that is what VisceraEyes tries to do. He sweeps away something that he himself called "an excellent point" and misconstrues Wade Fell as wasting all his time D1 defending goodkarma, which isn't even scum indicative as his posting shows. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: Therefore, the magnitude of VisceraEyes' misinterpretation is greater for he is a hypocrite in saying that Wade Fell did nothing, when he himself asserts that Wade Fell made an excellent point. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: Again, more misinformation. Here VisceraEyes tries to push the idea that Wade Fell's usage of the mason role is indicative of him being scum. He asserts that the mason role should be used to determine alignment first and foremost. Well that's blatantly wrong. There is nothing wrong, and in fact there is something very valuable with masoning a town read in order to bounce around thoughts and ideas. Wade Fell himself explains his mason choice: On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: How is that not a sensible response? It helps Wade Fell solidify his read on goodkarma, and also helps direct goodkarma's scumhunting as Wade Fell acted as his coach. There is very good townie motivations to mason a town read. However VisceraEyes tries to push the idea that Wade Fell used his role poorly and therefore must be scum. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: Ok. VisceraEyes' hypothesis is that Wade Fell is a scum mason trying to manipulate townies. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: What VisceraEyes is doing is calling both goodkarma and Wade Fell scum, and using "town goodkarma" as evidence of Wade Fell scum. Only scum do this. This entire attack of VE is essentially a defense of BH, explaining that VE is mafia because he is misrepresenting the posts of a town. His attacks on VE are based on BH being town, but it's as if he has already made up his mind about this. He fails to strongly consider that BH could be mafia and this case is too confident to be pushed by a town player. Again, another misinterpretation. All kitaman27 is doing here is saying that I'm scum because I was wrong about Wade Fell. The last line is garbage because no one looks at two players screaming at each other and thinks "oh I should strongly consider both should be scum". The last point is also garbage - what, townies don't make confident cases? What is "too confident"? It's just wordplay here. On March 26 2013 01:41 kitaman27 wrote: Now I want to make the single most important part of my case. *IMPORTANT* VisceraEyes claims vet at the beginning of day two on page 54. cosmic does not address the vet claim until the very end of the cycle on page 122. From a town mindset, the single strongest reason for VE not to be mafia is the fact that there was 1 kp on night one, VE claimed the hit, and VE claimed veteran. If I'm going to push VE, I'm most certainly going to accuse VE of lying about the hit and explaining what happened to the missing mafia kp. Instead, he selectively ignores it. This is proof that cosmic was presenting a biased case against VE. He didn't care about VE's alignment, he only cared about the parts of the case he could use to prove that VE was scum. The simplest explanation to this whole ordeal is most certainly not that VE is scum. That would mean that the mafia had withheld their kp or double stacked their shots, VE would fake-claim a hit, and VE would fake-claim a vet. Going into day two, VE was not under so much claim that he required such a drastic move. At the end of day two, cosmic finally concedes that it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet. Yet, at the end of day two, cosmic is still voting VE in a lynch that was decided by one vote. So why did this reasoning apply when VE was about to get lynched, but not apply moments later? Because it fitted his agenda. If he wanted to get GoodKarma lynched, he would need a abandon his views on VE. This is a closed setup game with unconventional roles (the Nightmare). kitaman27 quotes one of my posts but cuts off my explanation. On March 22 2013 06:57 cosmicomics wrote: Depends on the night results. His behavior and actions aside, VisceraEyes' vet claim is very strong indicator that he isn't scum if it is true. The key phrase is "if it is true". Because this game has a closed setup, we do not know the nature of scum KP. There is no reason to suppose that it should go by standard precedent (in which I suspect 3 initial KP for scum), and with the flip of a role like Nightmare, I don't find it a stretch to think scum were compensated with other forms of KP. Therefore if the night actions suggest that VisceraEyes' claim is indeed valid, then I swallow my pride because it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet, and we get down to lynching goodkarma and unfolding things from there. If not, it's tunnel city because there is nothing aside from his claim that I see as reasonable body of evidence that he is town. There is nothing from my role PM or the setup that gives me insight to how scum KP works. In a closed setup it is dangerous to make normal game assumptions so I take everything with a grain of salt. I find that even 2 initial KP is strange (again, in the post but edited out by kitaman27). Objectively looking at his playstyle alone I found him scum, and because the time of the post comes after the lynch, there is time to reevaluate. Since I was going to get information from N2 actions, of course there is time for reconsideration, but I don't bank on N2 actions to dictate my D2 play. That's foolishness. Furthermore, kitaman27 exposes himself as a hypocrite. In his defense of VisceraEyes, he says himself that the vet shot is a non factor. On March 20 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote: I had a town read on VE prior to the claimed hit, due to the interest he seemed to put into the game on day one and I see little reason why claiming a hit should change things. There shouldn't be two votes on him and discussing him today is wasting time that could be diverted to other individuals. kitaman27 is a hypocrite. He accuses me of failing to do something that all townies do when he himself did just the same thing. That is indicative of a mafia inconsistency, because they have to lie and act deceitfully to get mislynches. Let me repeat that. The single most important part of his case is something that he himself didn't believe in. On March 26 2013 01:41 kitaman27 wrote: Finally, take a look at how cosmic responded to my views of suspicion on him. At no point in the game had he mentioned suspicion of myself. Not once. Now an hour after I mention my intentions to get him lynched, he suddenly had a revelation that pointed to me being scum. He knows the only way to defend himself is to attack me and responds with a textbook omgus. It is true that no point in the game prior I mentioned suspicion. But neither most players. I say in the quote he posts that I was reviewing things. kitaman27 is trying to blame me for not noticing earlier. Which is again garbage. "Oh you didn't find me D1 so you are scum!". When does something like this ever make sense? kitaman27 is desperately trying hard to pull of a mislynch and is coming up with garbage excuses and hypocritical points. He is scum and should hang today. | ||
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in the hypocrisy quote, "I see little reason" should also be bolded. He sees little reason why a claimed hit changes anything, i.e. all he is using is behavioral analysis, not the vet claim, which is what he accuses me of failing to do. "single most important part". Hypocrite. | ||
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I've already done so for you, and you are quite a reasonable mafia head given that you are still alive during D4. | ||
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On March 26 2013 04:44 zarepath wrote: I'd like kita and CC's thoughts on layabout and WoS and why they think their scum read is scummier. WoS I already explained. layabout was voting Wade Fell before the 3rd party stuff. | ||
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Yes, it is WIFOM, but only to a certain degree. As scum you shoot people who are on the right track, or shoot people who are strong town players. Strong town players who are still alive in the late game all deserve a harder look because it means that they are so, so off track that scum aren't threatened at all by them, scum are keeping them alive for a mislynch, or they are scum. Could be the first, really doubt it's the second, probably the third. | ||
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If you are one of the several remaining town players, you may have felt helpless, clueless, and unable to piece together the wrecked shambles of this eclectic mob. All were drawn for various reasons. Some for base desires such as avarice. Some for the unquenchable thirst of curiosity. And some, of course, for the simple pleasure of imposing their will upon others, whether through subtle machinations or brute disparagement. For them, there is no greater delight than to crush. To deceive. To destroy. They had banded together from the start, and have ruthlessly worked into leading people astray into a whirlwind of accusation and doubt, fear and uncertainty. Not even their numbers are known, let alone their identities. Many fumble and grasp at straws of hope, only to be haunted by memories of past failure. Who is it? Who could it be? It is to you fair folk today that I unveil my true identity. Yes, indeed, I am none other than the Mirror himself. I have been watching from the very start, watching at what childish games the world of men indulged themselves in. Watching in amusement, wondrous of how the days may plan out, bemused at the antics of mortals. I have been observing from aeons past and will continue into aeons hither, for this is certainly not the first group to be invited to such charades. And yet, for an inexplicable reason, this group was more than just another ticking time bomb, a rabid mob, frenzied to devour themselves alive. And who could have foreseen that I, the immutable one, could be moved by but just one fair lady ... You mortals have rumors amongst yourselves of a great beauty in ages past, one whose face launched a thousand ships. Ha! I have seen her myself and she is but a shadow, a mere backdrop which only serves to contrast against the radiance of her ... But how could it ever be ... for I have been trapped within the confines of this glass visage, ruler and king supreme in my world, nothing more than an trinket in hers. How! I say, how could I, who could only reflect, grab the attention of her?! Pathetically worse than insipid paint on a wall! At least you can look at a wall!!! How can one look at a mirror without looking into it ... It was too late. I was already entranced. I had made up my resolve. She must be mine, and I alone would be hers for eternity. That fair lady, that fair layabout. Others would surely jest and mock, but I would welcome all the jeers and taunts and derision for the opinion of the world was never of interest and never of meaning. Call me vanity incarnate, for I will but hold that sobriquet in utmost honor, for the privilege of reflecting her glory. And so I did just that. I drew her unwittingly, and before she knew, she was mine. Her physical body still tied to the world, but her mind, soul and heart were mine as no doubt many of you have begun to notice that her attentions and focuses were elsewhere and not of this world. Indeed, for they were upon me. And what literary irony is this! Star crossed lovers pitted against the world to fend for themselves! Not a drop of pity, not a hint of remorse, voices clamoring in unison for the breaking of this "ungodly yoke". Forsooth, I pray thee dear townspeople, have mercy upon us! Have mercy, for we cannot live without each other. We have no interests in the prize money, we have no interests in holding power or maintaining our rights to vote. Have it all! Take it! They are meaningless to us. Just let us be, just let us be ... for so entwined in each other, we can not bear the thought of living alone, for death is more welcome than loneliness. Come, my darling, let us drink deep of each others gaze! + Show Spoiler + Ok so all creepyness aside, I'm the Mirror and layabout is my star crossed lover. I'm almost positive that he is town. I picked him because he seemed like he was a low focus player who can survive mislynches / shots till LYLO with me. That's my, and now layabout's wincon. We just have to make it till LYLO. If one of us dies, the other dies too. We get a 1KP bullet proof vest a night, but I have to choose whether it is on me or layabout, and once it absorbs a hit it's gone. We still have it. VisceraEyes was for the lulz. If you can't tell I really like writing fluff, even though I'm probably terrible at it. This cycle I anonymously masoned kitamin (<3 geript's typo) to get a better read on him. Specifically I pretended I was 3rd party who could co-operate with scum team to see if he would bite. Upon review I have no clue if it is indicative of either way. Edited out timestamps for legibility. + Show Spoiler + The Mirror test The Mirror Hey, how are you doing? Let's cut the flavour and get right down. If you could DT someone tonight who would you choose? Kita Aww VE gets flavor and I don't? Probably cosmicomics. I'm pretty confident that he is scum after rereading the thread last night. It looks like he went straight omgus mode, so I might have struck a nerve. Glurio also looks pretty bad for the reasoning I stated earlier. How about you? Kita Also, what do you think about cosmic and glurio based on my cases I've outlined? Kita Is there a good time that you would be around so we can chat? I'd be much more comfortable discussing things with you in real-time. Kita Also, is it a safe assumption to make that I'm still town and haven't been recruited? Furthermore, do you have the ability to recruit at all or were you lying to VE? The Mirror Umm yea ... so do you want to cooperate? I can swing this game either way. Kita What does cooperating entail and what evidence can you give me that you have town's best interest in mind? The Mirror ahahaha ok, I'll talk to you later when maybe you'll take me more seriously Kita Cute. What time works for you? Kita I'm starting to get the impression that you don't want to chat with me The Mirror Well ... I'm trying to figure out something pretty important on my end ... and it's not resolving as quickly as I want it too. Could I have your quick gut read on DarthPunk? Kita What might that be? Maybe I can help! It could be the start of our friendship! We should totally chat stuff 1:1 when we're both around. When are you available? Kita As for DarthPunk, its quite possible that he's the mirror jerk who refuses to talk to me. Kita Do you have any recruits currently? Does your win condition allow you to win with town? So the majority of today's votes are between a 3rd party and a town. That means mafia are most likely playing it complacent and laying low, because there isn't really a need to do anything. Basically a repeat of the Mr. Wiggles lynch. I'm not too sure if kitaman is scum or not, given that I haven't been able to invest the utmost time, but my thoughts are that there are definitely scum hiding amongst the lurkeresque players. Namely DarthPunk On March 27 2013 08:23 DarthPunk wrote: Just caught up with the thread. I was super busy catching up on my reading for UNI. The night kills were really weird. I have no idea why an absent VE and Coag were lynched ahead of Kitaman or WoS. I am half tempted to call the both of them scum for just being alive at this point. But the fact of the matter is that WoS claim was sooooo messy that it is probably townie. And I have had a town read on Kita for a substantial majority of the game. So I am going to trust those reads for better or worse I am afraid. I really don't like the wagon on CC as it reeks of an easy wagon on lynch bait. the contradiction of Layabout unearthed by kita a page back is something that feels to me like a genuine slip/expression that is indicative of a scum thought process. I am going with that, as I am having a heap of problems forming a read at all and it seems like the best thing to go on. I will be checking the thread regularly until lynch. If anyone wants to talk or requests a filter of someone and my thoughts etc. Let me know. This is a scum claim right here. Calls the wagon on me as easy wagon on lynch bait, when it is his primary town read that is spearheading this lynch, and his primary town read's evidence that leads him to vote his alternative choice layabout. This is called scum trying to look good after a mislynch. More focus in being on "the right wagon" rather than getting scum lynched. Accentuating his uncertainty and his confusion (cf. Ver's Mafia Analysis). He is playing a very responsive playstyle "if you want something ask me, otherwise I won't say anything". If anything at this kind of critical juncture, town players would be working hard to get their thoughts out in discussion. DarthPunk is just watching things happen and is only concerned with maintaining his self image. Not at all in finding scum. Best bet in hitting scum today. Unvote: kitaman27 Vote: DarthPunk Yea ... so this is it. If you guys don't believe my claim, then by all means you should lynch me. But there is ample evidence in my interactions with layabout, as well as his 3rd party mason knowledge that zarepath brought up to show that the mason link is true. It is probably unlikely that scum would have 2 masons, and that I would mason VisceraEyes after he outed Wade Fell, because people love "balance" and would use the balance argument to lynch into one of us. You can lynch me because I could be 3rd party lying about my win con, but there hasn't been any additional SK KP of any sort, nor have we acted in a way that was intentionally detrimental to town (being wrong about scum reads is not intentional). <3 layabout. Sorry I dragged you into this mess, I didn't think it would end up like this. | ||
cosmicomics
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On March 27 2013 11:45 DarthPunk wrote: ##Unvote Behold, the fiend emerges out of his hidey-hole! Away from my fair lady you foul beast! | ||
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On March 27 2013 11:51 geript wrote: Oh wtf. First VE now this shit... I apologize dear friend for undue grief. But my words are true. For our love spans cycles many, from the very dawns of day 1. On March 18 2013 07:42 layabout wrote: Hey cosmic, what are your thoughts about everything else? On March 20 2013 01:16 layabout wrote: cosmic get your butt in here now and tell me what you think about BH. | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:28 TestSubject893 wrote: Well this throws a wrench in things. I was all ready to come back and stack on cosmic since no one believes me that WoS is obviously scum.... I don't see any reason not to believe him since layabout isn't objecting. I guess its possible that they're both scum. Its also possible that they actually are gonna get some KP later and are just lying. Hmmm.... gotta think about this. True, it is possible that I am lying and perhaps we will get some KP later. But it is a fact that mafia have KP now, and they have and will continue to use it unabashedly against town. That won't change. | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:45 DarthPunk wrote: At the moment I am looking at a kita lynch as kita has only made very constructed and crafted posts. Has not posted a lot but enough to come off as townie. Has flown under the radar and pushed cases on a townie/3rd party every time. Also Kita has posted good and reasonable cases. And a lot of them. So it doesn;t make any snese for kita to be alive and coag and VE to die last night. So yeah. At the moment I am looking at a kita lynch. The knave panics! | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: LOL I can't tell if you or I are going to look worse when I flip town. Haha, me neither, since you know, dead people tend to look bad when they flip town ... lol you serious? | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:58 RyuSuzaku wrote: Are you actually town, or are you with this mirror guy? Or maybe I was right and you are scum? This game is turning out to be really stupid. But even if you are just dumb town it should still be really obvious to you that we can't win without killing cosmic. Reminds me of that game BH claimed SK as town because he thought he could manipulate town into letting him live on the condition that he "lent" them his gun. IIRC the targets he offered to kill were all townies. "even if you are just dumb town, it should still be really obvious to you that town can't win without killing scum" Cause, you know, removing 2 non-mafia votes is also key in lynching scum in the future. On March 24 2013 07:38 RyuSuzaku wrote: After rereading my strongest scum read is probably DarthPunk. Clearly some mismatching motives / agenda here. | ||
cosmicomics
81 Posts
The only people to gain from lynching 3rd party is scum, because it removes 2 non-mafia controlled votes, they avoid another lynch and with 2KP they might even just cliche the game right there. Doesn't make sense for town to lynch 3rd party right now. Balance of powers. Unvote: DarthPunk Vote: kitaman27 | ||
cosmicomics
81 Posts
He isn't even trying to figure it out, just trying to get me lynched. | ||
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