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So Kenpachi why shouldn't we lynch you? You have always been that player that people can't read because you literally contribute and do nothing every game. You are the player we should lynch Day 1 regardless of alignment because if we ever get to lylo with you then we are fucked because you have never written anything of context. However, at some point I'm going to have to pull the trigger and kill you so tell me, why shouldn't I do it today?
I have a list of people, a list of people I believe likely to be scum. This list is comprised of 4 individuals with one alternate. I have another list of 5 people I am certain are town. The last individual is the alternate. I spent roughly 6 hours last night combing through the whole thread and this is the culmination of my work.
You are not on the town list. So give me a reason why you think you wouldn't be on the mafia list?
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On March 30 2013 03:03 Kenpachi wrote: lol I'm not surprised because this town is literally in the shitters. I'm fairly confident you and Zarepath aren't mafia but I have no idea how you're certain about anyone else at this point. Because I spent hours going over this game yesterday. It was tough picking out a mafia team and a lot of it had to do with excluding people from the possibility of being mafia. Like I said, you don't post shit so I have very little to work with. You give me no evidence to clear you, and give me nothing truly specific I can think of off the top of my head to denounce you as scum. Meaning, you are likely scum just floating by.
On March 30 2013 03:04 Kenpachi wrote: Also if I'm not on the town list, then I'm inclined to believe you're full of shit and need to review your work again And what the fuck have you done this game to dismiss my reads? I haven't seen you do anything. If I think you are scum I'd rather kill you sooner than later because with the way you play (or lack of playing) it's hard to get a read, and I'd rather not hinge on giving you more time to do dick all then wasting a few day cycles and being right/wrong on you then. I might as well kill you sooner and spare myself the pain of wasting more time hoping you do something that indicates your affiliation, because if I'm going to lose by lynching you I'd rather do it sooner than later and save some time.
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DYH is not scum and I won't be voting for him.
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Kita, what are your thoughts on Kenpachi?
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We are running out of time and running low on activity. I didn't write up entire cases but here is what I have. kita, glurio, layabout, kenpachi scum team. Zarepath possible alternate for scum. ryu, wave of shadow, geript, DYS, me town
Of the players listed blazinghand ignores and never references any of the 4 players listed in red. Zarepath gets soft defended by BH day 1 then shortly after that amidst a flurry of activity the votes get switched off Zare and end up on Greymist.
Me and WoS are town determined by DT claim. Understandably some of you won't know our alignment as well as I do but I believe his claim made sense.
DYS/Ryu both had specific posts I viewed not being very likely or possible to come from a mafia. They both also had not that scummy of post history.
Glurio can't hold a thought and just keeps jumping around on to whatever seems good at the time. He said we need to lynch LayAbout then just immediately jumps ship and goes off on how we should lynch Kita upon never actually saying anything about Kita up until that point.
Kenpachi I have elaborated on.
Kita is not anywhere near as active as he should be and although his posts make sense for the most part I can't help but feel he can't be town because there is no reason he should be alive at this point.
LayAbout would probably be my alternate for Zarepath. BH also never acknowledged LayAbout in any of his posts combined with LayAbout looking generally scummy.
Today I'd probably be most comfortable with killing either Glurio or Kenpachi. I don't particularly care which.
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For now my vote is going on Glurio. I will be around for the deadline.
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No. They can try to go all in and get us to fuck up or they can try to position themselves better for a later day and capitalize on bad play. We are likely in lylo for the remainder of the game and they only need us to fuck up once. They might as well wrap up the remaining active townies while posturing themselves to win later in the game. There is no need for them to rush down the win now.
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Nothing anyone says now can be trusted. We need to analyze the previous days to get insight.
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So Kita, one thing that has been bugging me. When I asked you to post your thoughts on Wade Fell after putting forth an analysis on him, why didn't you do it? You literally never wrote anything about him at all. I'm curious to how you never thought to mention the most active/scummy/annoying player in the game at least once in your posting?
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On March 30 2013 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:14 ThePeashooter wrote: So Kita, one thing that has been bugging me. When I asked you to post your thoughts on Wade Fell after putting forth an analysis on him, why didn't you do it? You literally never wrote anything about him at all. I'm curious to how you never thought to mention the most active/scummy/annoying player in the game at least once in your posting? I don't recall. I probably just missed the request since its not like I would purposely ignore something if asked. Day two I was mostly focused on WoS with my big case and then Wiggles after the dt claim. Generally I let early blue claims fix themselves with the night hits and take another look if they're still around latter. BH hadn't really caught my attention while I was looking elsewhere. The one thing that is bugging me is that how few people are willing to defend glurio, yet there are only a couple votes on him. Why didn't he catch your attention? He was blatantly lying and acting like a dipshit the whole game.
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On March 30 2013 11:47 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 15:54 ThePeashooter wrote: Hey LayAbout, what day were you converted? As i already said, i was converted on day. I was masoned during day1 and at the start of day2 the qt died and i got converted. Guys if we do not consolidate then WE WILL LOSE Toadya we should be lynching kitaman27. Why is that you may ask? Well if you were reading the the thread you would not need to ask this. Case UNO: Mr. Wiggles dying words: + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:People to really watch out for:Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote: As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote: I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote: I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content.
I agree that I need to die. I am a liability in late game because I've been playing badly and my scum reads have been shit so far. I need to get shot though, not lynched, because a lynch on me is wasted as I have no probability of flipping scum. I thought someone might shoot me Night 2, but no one did. I don't like the way the Day has gone so far, because everyone is sitting on their hands and not talking because they think I'm scum. I find that pretty dumb, because you're basically giving mafia a free round of kills. If you're going to lynch me, leave your vote on me, but at least talk about who else you think is scum, because I am going to flip green. If you don't talk, you're completely wasting your time.I'm going to vote Cosmicomics because he is the only alternative wagon to me, and I read him as more likely to be scum than town.
If I end up getting lynched, I apologize for my poor reads, and want to say, good luck, and have fun. Case two: Hold on cosmic was 3p how can we trust him? Well my skeptic read, cosmic may have wanted to save his own skin but that does not change the fact that he didn't know the scumteam and his case on kitaman carries considerable merit: + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 02:42 cosmicomics wrote:The kitaman27 case. kitaman27 is a seasoned mafia vet and is capable of playing very well as either alignment. You won't catch him with "scum slips" or anything blatant like that. You need to look at deeper motives and really look at context to see subtle mafia agenda actions.
First is his big case on WaveofShadow D2. If you reread how D2 unfolded, you would have noticed that there was a reasonable amount of suspicion and attention on Wade Fell as he garnered several votes. You have to watch the timing. kitaman27's case comes in at a timing to shift the attention off the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes interaction entirely, by offering a new prospective lynch target, namely WaveofShadow. His follow up post addressing the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes reveals the mafia agenda. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote: It would be silly to lynch either of VE or BH this cycle. Both are claimed blues. Let the mafia deal with them. If the issue is still around in two or three cycles, than we address it, but not on day two where there are so many other things to look at.
It's very subtle isn't it? He shifts attention away from the whole VisceraEyes / Wade Fell by "letting mafia deal with them". He implants the idea into town that it is very "silly" to look into these two suspects, and that the night actions will resolve the whole issue. The bolded part shows his intent to push the focus away. So many other things to look at? Why is the Wade Fell / VisceraEyes situation something not worth looking at / trying to figure out? Why does he work to take not only his attention, but the rest of town's away from the issue onto a new topic in WaveofShadow? This is mafia misdirection at it's finest. You don't have to come into the thread and take bold stances you will be accountable for later on. All you have to do is evade the issue entirely and get people to focus on something else. No one can hold you accountable. This is further supported in the way that he really works to drive this case home. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and kita, cute case. I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. On March 20 2013 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote. I might have to call you a liar now. Your explanation on the DarthPunk vote was: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle Your explanation on the GreYMisT vote was larger, but at that point you were preaching to the choir, as you were the 12th person on him. There was nobody to convince at that point. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles And here is your explanation of the wiggles vote, aided by a few other one liners about how he is lazy. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment. Of course I would like you to go into further detail. Calling yourself town doesn't convince other players that you are town. Posting a case and pushing a lynch is what does that. I spent 2 hours reading the thread and another hour on my case against you. You look like you've sent 3 minutes deciding who to jump on. On March 20 2013 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?
He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time. Since I made it pretty clear what I thought about his alignment, I'd be much more interested listening to what you had to say, rather than justifying it for you. Do you have a mafia read on Wave? On March 20 2013 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol. I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in. Guess what the outcome has been EVERY SINGLE GAME. How is your alignment in past games relevant at all? Look at how much effort he puts into getting everyone to focus on this lynch. Now, let's do a comparison case to the glurio case. Absolutely no follow up. No effort into convincing people, no effort to get opinions out of people, no effort to push the wagon. What's the difference? There isn't a pressing need to take attention off of a teammate like in the case of Wade Fell. There is only the need to maintain the image of scumhunting. Now, let's look further into his glurio read. If you read D2 carefully, you would notice that glurio posted a case on WaveofShadow maybe 3 hours earlier than kitaman27's case. Pull up the cases side by side and compare. What do you notice? They both use very similar bodies of evidence and similar reasoning. The only difference is that kitaman27's case has more paragraphs and quotes and formatting. But the essence is the same. Yet this is kitaman27's #2 scum read. Think about it. If someone makes a case using the same body of evidence and same type of reasoning before you present your own case, wouldn't that give you serious pause before thinking they are scum? Given how vehemently kitaman27 pushed the WaveofShadow case, it must mean that he felt that the case was really good, and that since only glurio picked up on it before anyone else, that glurio was thinking along the same lines. I.e. he was thinking like town. But nope. kitaman27 has glurio at #2 scum read. Not only that, but as glurio perceptively points out Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 02:02 glurio wrote: You still have a scum read on me even after i posted a case on CC, which is my #1 scumread at the moment, kita? I'd like to see how you plan to make that work.
kitaman27 isn't thinking holistically about the game at all, despite telling everyone that that is exactly what he has been doing. kitaman27 has been subtly working behind the sense to further mafia agenda and his inconsistencies and timings betray himself. To close I would draw attention to Mr. Wiggles' posts where he notes kitaman27's passive play and apathy, which serves to further highlight how out of place his intense WaveofShadow wagon push is. Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:People to really watch out for:Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote: As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote: I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote: I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content. kitaman27 is the scum mastermind who has been manipulating town from behind the scenes. kitaman27 is the lynch for today. Vote: kitaman27 Yesterday kitaman27 was pushing for a cosmic lynch and pre-claim he may have been justified in doing so. However post-claim kitaman deliberately ignores the consequences of the claim, which there was plenty of evidence to support and very few reasons to doubt. Yesterday mafia benefitted the most from the lynch and kitman27 was aware of this but chose to push their agenda. Why? Well he is mafia ##vote kitaman27 We are lynching Glurio. Kita will get lynched later.
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You play like a complete asshole. That is not a compliment. Your spammy post style is not a legitimate play style and its utterly discouraging.
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Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.
And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post.
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On March 30 2013 17:17 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 17:13 ThePeashooter wrote: You play like a complete asshole. That is not a compliment. Your spammy post style is not a legitimate play style and its utterly discouraging. it's not an illegitimate strategy at all. He was scum, his interest is in getting town disorganised. Posting a lot accomplishes this and nothing he did broke any rules. If you don't like players who do that, make a policy to lynch or pressure them when they do it, and punish them for it. Trust me when I say you will probably discourage townies from contributing, and it'll probably backfire. You have to be good enough to realize when a player needs to be ignored/lynched for posting too much. It's not a legitimate strategy. It's posting something that should of been in one post in 5 posts just for the sake of making the game unplayable. That isn't legitimately trying to win. You are trying to make it so its too much effort/work for players to read you/the thread by artificial means. He probably had 5x the posts I had and maybe 2x the words.
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On March 30 2013 17:25 geript wrote: Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. Personally, I don't see why he even has a smurf account considering how bad he is at using it and it's not like his smurf is a secret.
Either way, I would love to have some constructive criticism on my play. This is the other thing I want to know. Why do you even bother using a second account if you let everyone know who you are? What is the point?
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Just to beat a dead horse. Maybe instead of triple posting to cover up scum slips you can reread your post using the preview feature and not have them there to begin with.
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On March 30 2013 17:27 WaveofShadow wrote: WBG was smurfing this game? Who was he? Any specific critiques of my terrible play anyone has? I couldn't make a read this game to save my life and I apparently have no idea how to even go about doing it..... The only mafia smurf we don't know. He would have to be RyuSuzaku.
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On March 30 2013 17:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 17:22 ThePeashooter wrote: Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.
And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post. Also, and I'm gonna be 100% clear here, I DO access Wade Fell from chrome and Blazinghand from Firefox, and I have done this for all my smurfs. I'm actually dumb enough that I forget what browser I'm using. I can't go saying this in the thread during the game though because nobody will believe me. EDIT: And if you don't believe in my good faith, I am sorry for having ruined my reputation in your eyes. There's nothing then that I can say at this point-- you don't believe I'll try, and don't trust my word, even outside the game. I'm sorry you feel that way, and perhaps in time my play in future games will convince you otherwise. There is nothing more I can say. If you just said that instead of shirking it off I would of been considerably less annoyed. But still, why do you have a smurf that everyone knows? What's the point in even using it?
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