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On March 19 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote: Does anyone else find suspicious how 3 of the guys I have in my case pop in to talk about a lot of other stuff, one says I'm likely to get NKd and then just disappear and ignore my relevant question? Sorry, I realize you are from Italy and English might not be your native language. I don't in the remotest sense think that there is even the slightest possibility of you dying tonight. There is literally no reason to kill you.
My point was that posting 5 suspects is pointless when you can only feasibly kill one of them a day. The only exception to that would of been if you thought you were in imminent danger of dying during this night cycle, which as I pointed out is incredibly unlikely.
On March 19 2013 02:16 Coagulation wrote: im not suprised gm flips town. there were a good 4 or 5 lynch candidates yesterday and scum probably had no time pickin the one they wanted. We need to consolidate our votes/pressure day 2 or we gonna be in the same spot again. I thought GM was scummy and wanted to let it play out which is why I never said anything earlier in the day. When I saw the choices between him and Zarepath I chose GM. I had GM as scummy in my notes and I felt he only got worse since I had updated them.
My notes indicate that I thought Zarepath was leaning town but upon rereading his posts I found that I thought he was more scummy than I initially thought with his first few posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:EBWOP: As an addendum to my final paragraph, that is why I find Peashooter's opening content to be pretty scummy. Honestly, any player could have gone through and guessed at roles based on the titles (and probably did; I did as I skimmed them), but I think it's hardly worth talking about right now. I echo Wave Fell's sentiments here about Peashooter's likely scumminess. Now that I think about it, VE's talk about tarot cards seems especially useless. Another addendum to Coagulation's instant role claim : the very first thing he did after that was apply to the SAST, which is going to look pro-town without actually being pro-town. An addendum to my problems with the SAST: I am not certain as to whether or not VE seriously thought people would like his SAST idea. And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. And with those reactions, I am now off for the afternoon to help somebody move. On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?
And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:
BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds. Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX. I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused. This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: Show nested quote + I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. He just keeps bitching about set up speculation and SAST neither ideas were worth more than a post or two of speculation but over 24 hours into the game he still focuses on this and contributes nothing else of value. It's like he META'd how talking about the set up too much is scummy so he chose to talk about people talking about the set up.
On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote: Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Call me an egotistic psychology major but the language used here just feels unnatural.
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On March 19 2013 02:42 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 02:36 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote: Does anyone else find suspicious how 3 of the guys I have in my case pop in to talk about a lot of other stuff, one says I'm likely to get NKd and then just disappear and ignore my relevant question? Sorry, I realize you are from Italy and English might not be your native language. I don't in the remotest sense think that there is even the slightest possibility of you dying tonight. There is literally no reason to kill you. My point was that posting 5 suspects is pointless when you can only feasibly kill one of them a day. The only exception to that would of been if you thought you were in imminent danger of dying during this night cycle, which as I pointed out is incredibly unlikely. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:16 Coagulation wrote: im not suprised gm flips town. there were a good 4 or 5 lynch candidates yesterday and scum probably had no time pickin the one they wanted. We need to consolidate our votes/pressure day 2 or we gonna be in the same spot again. I thought GM was scummy and wanted to let it play out which is why I never said anything earlier in the day. When I saw the choices between him and Zarepath I chose GM. I had GM as scummy in my notes and I felt he only got worse since I had updated them. My notes indicate that I thought Zarepath was leaning town but upon rereading his posts I found that I thought he was more scummy than I initially thought with his first few posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:EBWOP: As an addendum to my final paragraph, that is why I find Peashooter's opening content to be pretty scummy. Honestly, any player could have gone through and guessed at roles based on the titles (and probably did; I did as I skimmed them), but I think it's hardly worth talking about right now. I echo Wave Fell's sentiments here about Peashooter's likely scumminess. Now that I think about it, VE's talk about tarot cards seems especially useless. Another addendum to Coagulation's instant role claim : the very first thing he did after that was apply to the SAST, which is going to look pro-town without actually being pro-town. An addendum to my problems with the SAST: I am not certain as to whether or not VE seriously thought people would like his SAST idea. And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. And with those reactions, I am now off for the afternoon to help somebody move. On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?
And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:
BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds. Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX. I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused. This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: Show nested quote + I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. He just keeps bitching about set up speculation and SAST neither ideas were worth more than a post or two of speculation but over 24 hours into the game he still focuses on this and contributes nothing else of value. It's like he META'd how talking about the set up too much is scummy so he chose to talk about people talking about the set up. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote: Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Call me an egotistic psychology major but the language used here just feels unnatural. Good, did you feel the arguments in my case were not enough to convince you or is there a particular reason you brought your own reasons? How do you feel about my other reads? I don't actually remember reading your case and I just chose to read Zarepath myself and post what I thought. I just got home a little while ago and was not really in a place where I could post and analyze for an hour last night.
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On March 19 2013 02:50 Ace wrote: yo sup
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On March 19 2013 02:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 02:49 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:42 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 02:36 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote: Does anyone else find suspicious how 3 of the guys I have in my case pop in to talk about a lot of other stuff, one says I'm likely to get NKd and then just disappear and ignore my relevant question? Sorry, I realize you are from Italy and English might not be your native language. I don't in the remotest sense think that there is even the slightest possibility of you dying tonight. There is literally no reason to kill you. My point was that posting 5 suspects is pointless when you can only feasibly kill one of them a day. The only exception to that would of been if you thought you were in imminent danger of dying during this night cycle, which as I pointed out is incredibly unlikely. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:16 Coagulation wrote: im not suprised gm flips town. there were a good 4 or 5 lynch candidates yesterday and scum probably had no time pickin the one they wanted. We need to consolidate our votes/pressure day 2 or we gonna be in the same spot again. I thought GM was scummy and wanted to let it play out which is why I never said anything earlier in the day. When I saw the choices between him and Zarepath I chose GM. I had GM as scummy in my notes and I felt he only got worse since I had updated them. My notes indicate that I thought Zarepath was leaning town but upon rereading his posts I found that I thought he was more scummy than I initially thought with his first few posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:EBWOP: As an addendum to my final paragraph, that is why I find Peashooter's opening content to be pretty scummy. Honestly, any player could have gone through and guessed at roles based on the titles (and probably did; I did as I skimmed them), but I think it's hardly worth talking about right now. I echo Wave Fell's sentiments here about Peashooter's likely scumminess. Now that I think about it, VE's talk about tarot cards seems especially useless. Another addendum to Coagulation's instant role claim : the very first thing he did after that was apply to the SAST, which is going to look pro-town without actually being pro-town. An addendum to my problems with the SAST: I am not certain as to whether or not VE seriously thought people would like his SAST idea. And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. And with those reactions, I am now off for the afternoon to help somebody move. On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?
And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:
BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds. Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX. I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused. This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: Show nested quote + I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. He just keeps bitching about set up speculation and SAST neither ideas were worth more than a post or two of speculation but over 24 hours into the game he still focuses on this and contributes nothing else of value. It's like he META'd how talking about the set up too much is scummy so he chose to talk about people talking about the set up. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote: Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Call me an egotistic psychology major but the language used here just feels unnatural. Good, did you feel the arguments in my case were not enough to convince you or is there a particular reason you brought your own reasons? How do you feel about my other reads? I don't actually remember reading your case and I just chose to read Zarepath myself and post what I thought. I just got home a little while ago and was not really in a place where I could post and analyze for an hour last night. On March 19 2013 01:31 ThePeashooter wrote: There is no point in naming who you think all 5 mafia are when we can only kill one person a day. If you are right they are all on guard now. That was a bit stupid. The only reason you might want to do that is if you think you are very likely to die during this night phase and since half the people thought we were scum buddies at some point yesterday you aren't too likely to be on their list of targets. I don't understand, you claim to not have read my case but speak of 5 people I named as scum. How does that make sense if you didn't read it? Don't be shy, what do you think of GK, cosmic and glurio? I skimmed your post and didn't remember specifics from it just now. I saw that you posted 5 or whatever suspects and commented on that. Since Zarepath was being spoken about before the Greymist lynch I kind of just assumed the case you were referring to was something from the previous day and not something that had literally just happened. So I guess it was more or less a brain fart.
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On March 19 2013 02:50 zarepath wrote: Are you Yamato or what? The longer you don't respond to this scumslip narrative the more you're allowing us to mislynch Vivax should he be town. He isn't even remotely likely to get lynched and your current attitude when the whole town is now discussing how scummy you are smells of panic. It's like you are trying to just stir up chaos in the face of your imminent demise which I find entertaining. If you were town you would know you were innocent and do something besides lose your head and run around flailing your arms.
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On March 19 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote: Oh didn't realize it was sarcasm apparently. People shouldn't use that it causes trouble in forums. Don't understand why he's so hostile towards me though.
Anyway, I'm off to training for 2-3 hours so you have plenty of time to give some other reads. The first time I said something I realized it might not of been clear if English was a second language. In the post linked I clarified like 3 times. 1. Posting all suspects is stupid unless you are going to die. 2. You are not likely to die. Please try to be a bit more careful when reading to avoid wasting 5 back and forth posts on the same thing.
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On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote: I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night. GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow Honestly, a hard group to figure out. I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. If anyone protects Kenpachi they are an idiot. How can you possibly think you are worth protecting? If the mafia killed you I would applaud them even if you were a jack of all trades. You have literally posted nothing of value, but you never do so that shouldn't be expected.
I forget again, why do you even play this game? You never say anything and never do anything except become an anchor on whatever team you are on.
On March 19 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote: Also my scumreads still didn't provide reads on Zarepath they seem to not want to play transparently for town.
TPS didn't comment on the other reads I asked him for and he treated me aggressively.
I sense people being uncooperative or unmotivated to help town (which doesn't surprise me since I think they scum d'oh), I didn't ask them to do something hard. If you want to see me being aggressive look above. I was nothing but nice to you so get out of this emotional state and learn to play the game. I gave you advice and you somehow keep interpreting it as a personal attack and I'm not giving you anymore leeway for English possibly being your second language.
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On March 19 2013 21:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 17:09 Ace wrote: Why would you claim Vet though as Town? Even if the Scum clearly know they shot you, they have no idea how the hit failed. Roleclaiming serves no purpose here. To be clear, are you inferring that you believe VE isn't town because a town VE would have no reason to claim vet or are you lecturing VE for a poor decision? Unless someone else claims a hit, I see no reason to doubt the hit with only one flip. Keirathi could have been a doublestack, but its pretty unlikely. Unless VE is still around 5 cycles from now I imagine the claim will take care of itself. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita what do you think of BH this game? TELL ME THE TRUTH!!! *hexhexhex* I'll get back to you after I get a chance to read through the logs. If I don't, remind me. I'm having trouble looking for a post if someone recalls it. There was a player who posted a bunch of links to a past game, without commenting on the content. I looked 3 times through the thread and couldn't find it, so I might just be crazy, but I was hoping to see if they ever followed up with it. @TPS. If you can confirm/deny your identity as yamato, I believe it will give me a clue to your alignment based on one of your earlier posts and it is something not related to the Vivax guess. If you are town, you would surely be willing to reveal this small piece of information. I'll come up with a much larger post tonight when I actually have more time, without getting interrupted every 3 minutes. This is the only indulging I am going to do and it is solely because I like Kitaman. I actually don't even know who he is. I have purposely ignored every question pertaining to this because I don't find it relevant and any other guesses will be firmly ignored.
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I meant to say who "I actually don't even know who Yamato is"
Now I know I'm a bit biased here so I'm going to ask both Ace and Kitaman for a favor here. I would like you to read WadeFall's filter. The reason I want someone else to do this is because I am without a doubt biased against Wade Fall and I feel as though it needs to be done by someone competent.
I accept that Wade is stupid, however I believe he crossed the line from just being stupid to actively lying and overextending his reads on me to sway town to lynch me which is an extremely scummy thing. I noticed he was doing it yesterday but it wasn't as overt.
Let me dissect his accusation post as an example of what I am talking about so there is a point of reference.
On March 19 2013 15:57 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 15:43 Keirathi wrote: As an aside, lets do some setup speculation.
How likely is it that there are 2 town aligned masons, with Nightmare already flipping? Granted, Nightmare was a mason-vig, but Mason is a pretty damn strong role. In games with temporary masons, you don't often see them so lopsided, numbers wise :o I hate setup speculation, but yes, this is an entirely reasonable point in the context of speculating about the setup. I can understand VE's reasoning for outing me, especially given that this is the case. I don't really have an answer for this other than that I am a town-aligned mason role, and although it's weird it's not unthinkable, and DrH is a wiley fellow.
Okay so lists posts are crap right so I'm gonna keep it short and simple, here are my two scumreads I want to lynch today, and why we should lynch them. I'm leaving wiggles, testsubj, geript wos ryu dp etc unmentioned because they are not my top 2 scumreads and I want to stay focused. Each of them individually has things I dislike about them but barring a something weird happenign with the daypost I won't be pushing them.If that changes and I am still alive, I will let you know. 1) thepeashooter: I've talked a lot about TPS in thread already but mainly I'm concerned about his attempts to _look_ like he's contributing without actually doing it. I'm like 90% sure his "anger" at my spamming is faked given that you had the same filter length as me at the time and his response to it was to just quote a bunch of my posts. I said this multiple times. I don't care about how many posts you have as long as they are actual content. I said this multiple times but for some reason he chooses to ignore this and continue pretending all I care about is post count.
Furthermore, he is trying to say my anger is fake. He knows for a fact its not fake since I reported him to the host for spamming even after I asked him to shut the fuck up both nicely then directly. You know I was genuinely annoyed yet you are going to pretend you think I wasn't only because it serves a purpose. This is the definition of malicious intent.
He's done a pretty slick job of not contributing to the game and looking like an "emotional townie". Why would he quote all my posts and complain about my filter length when at the time Ve has the same level of spam? (link) this doesn't read "angry town" to me, it reads "fake anger". Please illustrate how I have not contributed at all? You have pretty much done two things, spam and try to kill me but somehow I am the one who has contributed nothing. You give no example apart from you saying it is so.
His weird opt-out of the town discourse D1 (link) is scummy, as well as the fact he had to be forcefully prodded into contributing. This is my favorite part. His example of me "opting out" of town discourse is a link to him just saying that I did that. At no point did I ever say fuck you for not wanting to lynch Coag and ran away to my cave until the cycle was over. He was one of a couple of people (the other being Coag) who kept pointing out how I abandoned the thread and went inactive even though my most recent posts at the time indicated that I was at work. By "Forceful Prodding" he actually meant "got home from work".
I don't buy his theory that he wanted to "let it play out" with GM rather than (link) actively interacting with the case. Imagine you are a townie in this situation. Do you engage and try to get an understanding of what's going on and push your own reads, or even ask questions to refine them? Or do you hang back and "let it play out"? Even if you hang back, you at least ask questions and try to learn more. This is not what town does, this think that TPS has done. A lot of his other posts aren't analysis but are just dismissals (link)(link)(link) in which he doesn't push his own ideas but just naysays what other people have to say. I will be voting for TPS when the daypost goes up based on this. The only semi legitimate point I suppose so I will elaborate on my train of thought. I know greymist is a veteran player and I was immediately suspicious of him. My notes on him are a link to his first post and a comment that "You can do better than this." I was simply waiting him out and didn't want to give him a reason to go on the defensive if he knew I was suspicious.
On top of this I was already pushing Coagulation who I still wouldn't mind seeing dead. As I stated earlier, there is no reason to push all 5 of your scum candidates at once if you can only kill one at a time. I'd prefer to pressure one and see how the others respond to that pressure.
The last part of that is my hopping on the band wagon to kill Greymist. As I said earlier I had been at work and got caught up that night and I wasn't exactly sure when the day post was coming. I saw Greymist thrown out as an alternative to Zare and I knew for a fact that I thought greymist was scummy and was pretty sure I had a townread on Zare at the time. So I chose to change my vote to greymist. I didn't have time to actually post a case or do analysis because I was not home.
So I admit, both scenario's are possible, but I feel that I have adequately explained my reasoning for not having said anything about greymist until passively voting for him. If you want further evidence of my reasoning for not listing every single read you can find me speaking to Vivax here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057¤tpage=39#763
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On March 20 2013 00:45 layabout wrote: For starters it would make BH, VE and GK all scum since they are all telling us the logs are genuine. Yeah, you can't fake logs of someone who is still alive unless they are both scum. In this case it would mean all 3, (IE: around 50-60% of the mafia team) would have to be scum. This would be an insane ploy.
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On March 20 2013 04:16 Coagulation wrote: hey guys reading up on thread now. Feel free to ask me any questions.
peashooter spent a good amount of energy effort trying to rally a lynch on me. Im pretty much the easy lynch in every game so its not uncommon for scum to try and push town into lynching me. Its strange to me that there are so many people who have put me in as a town read already. I dont think I should be a town read for anyone just yet. but its a good thing at any rate cause im town.
I wouldnt mind having peashooter lynched just on the basis that he was willing to let town run in circles over his identity while saying nothing. that seems fairly anti town. like hes trying to milk the speculation for all the chaos it can possibly generate. You know I'm beginning to see why Greymist let himself get lynched. If we have townies like you we don't even need scum.
On March 20 2013 04:10 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Thepeashooter:
One thing I understand that thepeashooter has said is that he was fed up with being harassed by BH, and his anger was genuine. I believe him here. BH's casepoint that he's faked anger is pretty bad.
But when it comes to contributing meaningfully to scumhunting, I agree with BH's case that he's come up rather empty. Even now, thepeashooter seems more concerned with defending himself than with giving out reads. His recent case against Wade is pretty much an OMGUS. And if you were to look at his filter, he spends a lot of time talking about rather meaningless shit, like that Vivax and Kenpachi have no chance of getting shot... This is NOT proactive scumhunting.
That being said there are a few people like thepeashooter right now (semi-active, but absolutely useless). While what he's done to date is definitely scummy, I'm not in favor of lynching him today. I believe that by looking at players with better-established meta, we can have a more certain scum lynch.
....I've said a dozen times now that it had nothing to do with him harassing me. It had to do with spam which is one reason I stopped playing mafia for so long. There is this new meta of it somehow being okay for people like him to spam the shit out of the thread and make the game unplayable.
I also hate when people use the term OMGUS every 4 seconds. OMGUS doesn't means that I am attacking someone simply because they attacked me. However, that's not the reason. The reason I said something is because I find the way he does things to be scummy and worth looking into. Therefore what I said was not OMGUS. However, I understand some people are too stupid to realize the difference between legitimate concerns over a players alignment and would simply write my thoughts as OMGUS which is why I asked for someone else to read his filter and assess the situation.
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On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me.
One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting.
From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity.
On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler + If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote: accusation of fake anger at spam I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity.
Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host.
On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate.
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I never said I didn't know who coag was. I said that his play was bad for the town regardless of his meta. Looking back now I still wish we killed him because he's still useless and impossible to read now. I never specifically said he was my #1 scum target. I never came close to saying anything to that effect. I got on his case within the first 10 pages of the game and didn't really follow up because there was not much of a case and it was clear the town wasn't going to go for it. I do not feel there is any evidence for or against Coag apart from being inactive and when he's actually here he is useless.
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On March 20 2013 09:40 Wade Fell wrote:ugh sorry quoted for filter Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler + If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote: accusation of fake anger at spam I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity. Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate. Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not For fucks sake. I already explained to you how to not keep fucking up the same exact way. Get two browsers and have one set for blazing hand and the other for Wade Fall. The one that is Wade Fall you disable everything on the side bar that is not MAFIA. You don't open mafia in the other browser at all. I have been doing this all game and never have I come close to posting under my other account.
Stop being fucking lazy and be more aware. Maybe if you used the preview feature this wouldn't be a god damn problem.
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On March 20 2013 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:Finally have some spare time. I'll respond to a couple relavent issues, but first I wanted to get out a post on one of my strongest scum reads. I may have a second post about another player I'm suspicious of, depending on how much time I have. WaveofShadowThe first player I'd like to bring up is WaveofShadow. Whenever I try to look at a player, the most important thing to look at in my opinion is motive. During the first few cycles of a game, it can be quite difficult to differentiate a townie post and a mafia post. The easiest way to tell the difference is to ask yourself, what is a player trying to accomplish with these posts and what does this player care most about. When I read through the filter of Wave, I can't help but notice that he is much more willing to play through others, than to put himself out there. On numerous occasions, we can see him prodding other players with questions, but there has been very little follow through. He questions other players reads, but fails to come to significant conclusions. Wave has approached the first two cycles in a way that shows me that he has little interest in being the guy that gets a player lynched. He is more interested in selecting a bandwagon based on the arguments of other players. In his support for the day one lynch, he posts the following: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.
Vote: Darthpunk This is the first time in the game he actually mentions Darthpunk. He states in a single line that he supports VE's case, yet provides no reasoning for why he agrees. Notice how defensive he gets with his vote. In reference to his disapproval of VE's circle he states "Call that scummy if you wish." At a point where he has selected his preferred lynch candidate, he is still spending more time discussing VE's completely irrelevant circle. For the sake of keeping this post legible, I've edited out the previous part of this quote, but he spends a whole paragraph discussing the deal with yamato. Why is it that he is spending more time discussing events not relevant to his scumread, than the actual vote itself? It would be one thing if VE's case was so convincing that he had nothing to add. However, when I ask myself, does he care about this lynch, I come to the conclusion that he does not. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I can also see it isn't likely that DarthPunk is goin' down but I want a chance to re-read before changing anything. I remember thinking that zare isn't scum but I don't remember why. DarthPunk is his preferred lynch candidate, but at this point he has put absolutely no effort in pushing his selection. He is more than willing to comment on unrelated issues, but when it comes to the part of the game that should be most relevant, he shows little interest. This post shows me that his scum read is influenced by whether or not he believes the town views it as a viable lynch. When a mafia player selects a bandwagon, they often due it based on where the town's sentiment lies. Once he realizes that DarthPunk isn't going to get lynched, he backs off, simply stating that he has responded well to pressure. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote: My meta reads are very weak as I have stated earlier. Back to my point about his "defensive" phrasing of his vote, he has been acting quite defensive during the first two cycles. While a town player plays with confidence, Wave seems quite careful with his actions and is quite concerned with other's view of himself. Look how important it is to him for others to realize his meta based scum-hunting skills are sub-par. On four different occasions he makes this statement. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote: It's also nice how everyone is going to be real fucking quick to jump down my throat thanks to GM randomly naming me before he dies (multiple times) without anything to back it up. I love how just like in LX I get ignored half the game and no one responds to anything I say, and as soon as somebody randomly decides to point fingers at me suddenly the whole fucking thread is up in arms.
(Expletives deleted, don't want DrH yelling at me), I'm lone wolfing this game. In response to suspicion, he reacts quite strangely. Look how worked up he gets when GM names him as a scum read. There is essentially no pressure or votes on him at this point, yet he is responding as if he is about to be hammered. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote: But please, by all means keep it coming and tunnel me instead of hunting for real scum. It's not like this is a distraction or anything from the real point of the game. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. GL with that. And as for responding to post-flip pressure, it just pisses me off that I don't get listened to at all on certain days; people only tend to pay attention to me when they think I'm scummy which has been...let's see....NEVER. These are more examples of how important it is to him that he is seen in good light. Note how he has spent more time talking about his annoyance of getting suspected, than he does about DarthPunk earlier. His vote of GreYMisT also occurred at a time where GreYMisT was suspicious of him. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes. I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.
Finally, I come to this post which is what caused me to look at him further. Look how squirmish he is in his response. This is at a point where he accidentally mentioned to a lynch, rather than a night kill. It was a 100% typo and a non-issue. Yet here is his talking about how his has to be more careful about not making mistakes and coming up with more excuses. Wave has show that he cares more about himself, than town. He is willing to share opinions on less important issues, while skimping in pushing town objectives when it comes to the lynch. He responds in a mafia manner to suspicion and posts with an attitude that lacks the look of a town player. I think he would make an excellent lynch today. This case needs way more attention. I actually remember reading that last post about him needing to appear less scummy...you know as town! and just thinking how it smelled so hard of scum. I can't remember why I didn't follow up on it though.
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On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote: VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. I think you might be a bit biased in your assessment of your cases. I find Kita's case to be exceptionally strong. You have to keep in mind what the goals are behind a post. What WoS is doing is a typical example of inexperienced scum and Kita illustrated it very well. He wants to be non confrontational and but also doesn't do anything towards town goals. It's that subconscious fear that every mafia player has to get over when the get a red role. You know you are scum, and you feel like everything you see is going to get scrutinized, but you can't say anything and you can't form your own cases because everyone else is town so any case you make you feel would be inherently suspicious.
So you end up in this weird state where you are too scared to make your own bullshit case, but need to fake some level of contribution. The end result is the analysis that Kita gave. A skilled scum player learns to take a persons words and use them out of context knowing way too many people will just believe the context you put them in and create a case on someone that most other townies could feasibly get behind.
The latter example is what I felt that Wade Fell was doing. However, I haven't done a full analysis on him to view what his motivations are behind his actions. Since it would be taken as OMGUS I preferred if Ace or Kita stepped up and lent a hand since I trust their skill in analyzing the situation and seeing if they agree or disagree with me. I could very well be letting my bias get the way which is why I wanted the help of someone else.
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Hey, I have work and will be gone for 9 hours. When I come back I should have time to throw together and a case for vigi's/tomorrow.
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20 pages in 10 hours. Something tells me someone was onto something.
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On March 20 2013 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:42 zarepath wrote: Wait, so Wave, you can DT somebody and you learn their role and their alignment? Apparently so? There is a circumstance where I think this may not be true since again, my PM says nothing about alignment, but my rolecheck result surprised me. To elaborate on this, since it's probably relevant. He got my role as "Fool" and one fool has already flipped so that must of struck him as odd. I'm still on page 79 so I have a bit to catch up on.
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I'm going to point out something that I see happening around page 93ish. People are trying to say that The Mirror was probably just the mafia fucking with VE. Let me remind you of the OP in case no one else brought it up.
It is possible that your win condition will change at some point during the game. If this event would infuriate you, do not sign up. Measures have been taken to make sure that if this happens, your play should not have to change very much. Try to see it as a new challenge. It would be in your best interest to PM me questions whenever you have them, no matter how trivial they may seem.
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