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On March 06 2013 11:55 jaybrundage wrote: Sigh whatever if you town needs to lynch me to see who the scum that lead my lynch im fine with that.
Jay come on. I've never seen you take such a defeatist attitude towards this game. In fact I have vivid memories of British Mini Mafia I, where your activity and effort gave me a town read on you very early on.
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On March 06 2013 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "I was thinking about how I might get attacked (already concerned about survival). I immediately changed votes from Dandel after he started posting (although he is actually still not being contributive). I still don't think he is town but I don't wanna vote for him anymore. Anyway, I won't vote for someone if you think they are town cause I don't wanna have conflict."
Also note this: 1. Dandel has been good in going after Vivax 2. I'm gonna sheep you and if you think Vivax is town that's good enough for me
huh
I don't understand it much either, however Jay is lynchbait and thus patience is needed here. I'm completely against considering hammering him for atleast 24 hours, and preferably longer.
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On March 06 2013 12:19 Promethelax wrote: oh, Hapa, I thought I had answered your question. But I only did it in my head.
Vivax is scum because 1) meta before I explained what about his meta I found scummy. He is someone I think is good enough to change his meta when he knows what he needs to change it to.
His "shift" has been far too extreme and has sounded too genuine to make me think it is fake.
2) He says I'm lying about him and his play but despite that clearly did not want to lynch me for it until i brought it up in the thread when suddenly Artanis/Jay/Me were all the same level of scum. I have a very hard time reconciling a townie player believing someone is lying about them to make a case not think ing that person is the scummiest person ever.
Meh. I don't like this very much.
I think Vivax has expressed much support in killing you, but hasn't communicated his intent all that clearly.
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Need m0ar non-Jay reads CC
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On March 06 2013 13:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:You know how this works Hapa. You ask me to give reads. I goof off and tunnel Yamato (or vice versa)
Ok well anyway regardless of Jay, there is still at least one other scum afoot. Who do you think that scum is and why?
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On March 06 2013 13:34 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:12 Hapahauli wrote:On March 06 2013 11:55 jaybrundage wrote: Sigh whatever if you town needs to lynch me to see who the scum that lead my lynch im fine with that.
Jay come on. I've never seen you take such a defeatist attitude towards this game. In fact I have vivid memories of British Mini Mafia I, where your activity and effort gave me a town read on you very early on. Kind of frustrating when everyone and there mother think you are scum. Honeslty it doesn't matter tho. Day 1 townie lynches happen if town wants to lynch me. I would hope that it can provide information on scum tmw. I been trying to push my reads and not be overly spammy this game. And it just blows up in my face. fuck it.
If you're town, it does matter. You get tunneled all the time as town, and I've never seen you give up like this.
Hell man - just spam and be yourself. If you're town, I'll find out and I'll yell at everyone until they lynch someone else.
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On March 06 2013 13:47 thrawn2112 wrote: are we at 4 or 3 votes for jay?
I don't know, but if anyone hammers him, he better pray I'm not alive because I will personally see to it that he policy-lynched.
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Oh uh probably not. I mean I'll still be pissed at said person for ending discussion early, but the policy lynch would be stupid in that case.
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On March 06 2013 14:04 Promethelax wrote: so you expect jay to flip town, huh? Why?
Idunno. It just seems too easy.
That, and the last time I saw Jay give up like this was when people ganged him on one of the later days in Hero Mini. He flipped town.
Counterpoint of course is that he went down fighting in Normal Mini IV as town.
The point I'm trying to make is that there's good reason to have reasonable doubt about Jay's alignment right now, and I want to take the extra time. Policy-lynch stuff was a poorly-expressed version of that idea.
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On March 06 2013 14:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:07 Hapahauli wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that there's good reason to have reasonable doubt about Jay's alignment right now, and I want to take the extra time. Is this because of how you view him as being lynch bait, or is there something specifically about this game that gives you reason to doubt? Can you comment on this post: Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 06 2013 10:22 jaybrundage wrote: Vivax last posts seem geniune. Also i respect Hapa's opinion alot.
##Unvote ##Vote Thrawn
Thrawn's scum meta is lurking HARD. So far he has fit the bill perfectly. As i can recall he said at the beginning that he didn't look at his role pm. And when he does look at it he starting his lurking marathon. If you look at Normal Mini IV Iamp called out thrawn on it. And lo and behold thrawn was scum. just look at that post is that a justifiable reasoning for a vote? and yet, he's acting so sure about it. the best part about his line of reasoning is that it doesn't present anything to argue about... it's not an opinion on my overall play so far, it neither quotes or references anything from my filter that he is suspicious of. it's such an easy justification for him to give because there's actually no room for someone to really disagree with him about it We're finally at a point in the game where we should be held accountable for our votes and this vote from jay is just lazy as all hell. There are NO opinion about any of my reads, NO opinion about how I've acted thus far, NO actual discussion about the differences (other than activity) between my scum/town meta, etc. As I said in the above quote, the stance he's taken is basically a non-stance. It doesn't leave room for argument and contains none of his own opinions concerning my scumminess. His vote is something he can justify as "well in general thrawn is lurky as scum" and there is nothing at all confrontational about that statement.
It's the lynch-bait view. I really like to be patient with those types of players.
It's never bad to take extra time. We'll either confirm our read, or give himself the opportunity to prove that he's town. Both are great outcomes.
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Why are you confirmed town again? >>
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Ok you're town Prome.
Anyway, couple of things: 1) Yay for scum lynch! However, rushing lynches like that is still terribad. Don't do it. We could have gotten so much more information about scum #2 from day 1 and we rushed to hammer instead. 2) I don't think the votes matter very much given how bad Jay looked throughout the day.
People I want to hear from today: Vivax - still feels like an aggressive townie, but that was an in-the-moment read rather than an objective look at his filter. Artanis - didn't do very much. Mr.CC - ditto.
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On March 07 2013 08:38 Promethelax wrote: If you are the other HoP you should claim now!
That would be me unfortunately =(
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On March 07 2013 08:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 08:38 Promethelax wrote: If you are the other HoP you should claim now! So scum would know if there's a medic? No thanks.
Doesn't matter. Scum know the roles anyway due to their role setup. (roleblocker = HoP, none = medic/doc)
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Prome, why do you think CC is so townie? Or Artanis? They've done jack shit so far.
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Well CC is capable of playing a good scumgame (Nomination Mafia), and Artanis hasn't done the scumhunting I'd expect of a veteran player. Don't dismiss them yet.
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Oh I should probably read through Jay's filter =/
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But Jay's filter actually suggests that Vivax isn't scum for the record. He's too happy to pile on him, which doesn't make much sense in a 2 person scumteam.
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Anyway I want to sit back a bit and see some analysis from those in question.
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