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On March 15 2013 06:53 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 06:51 strongandbig wrote:On March 15 2013 06:49 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote:On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 15 2013 06:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote: All I've seen from Acro's filter is:
"Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish"
BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt. Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it? you don't lynch decafchicken youre missing the ... on day 1 if you keep decafchickening you stand a pretty good chance of getting lynched "missing the ..." please explain The statement BC made is "you don't lynch decafchicken on day 1" not "you don't lynch decafchicken".
the implication, in the context of wbg's lynch, was that for cryptic players who are difficult to read at the start, you don't lynch them early on but wait until you can read them better, but if you don't get a town read on them after a while you should be free to lynch him.
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you never lynch him because of what the host said, that wasn't the point of the statement, the point was that we should wait to lynch wbg because reads on him would be more valid as time went on
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I still want to hear Marv's response to foolishness's case on him and to foolishness's narrative about his actions before I vote. Hopefully I'll be able to check back in
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alright i'm down. read the whole thing, i suggest others do too. ##vote: foolishness
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Hahahaha
Not reading the thread, mostly
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And that, mon ami, is a capital offense.
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On March 15 2013 07:45 Foolishness wrote: Don't have time to read the thread right now. You wanna summarize you can, but I don't think you ever have anything important to say.
Lol k Right now, you're just about the least important person for anyone to persuade of anything.
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Can someone please shoot vivax tonight? I would if I could but I tried to shoot foolishness last night and it turns out my role actually doesn't have any secret hidden powers
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On March 15 2013 08:00 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 08:00 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 07:57 strongandbig wrote: Can someone please shoot vivax tonight? I would if I could but I tried to shoot foolishness last night and it turns out my role actually doesn't have any secret hidden powers why are you shooting someone marv is checking or ... is this a joke of some sort?
Nooooooooooo, I'm completely serious.
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I'm pretty worried about what's going to happen to Dandel tonight T_T
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On March 15 2013 21:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 21:36 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 21:19 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 21:12 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote:On March 15 2013 12:15 marvellosity wrote: also hi slOosh. we need to talk. I'm here - just totally lost on how to proceed because it seems like all my reads are in the wrong places. But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote: I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. <snip> This is actually a really good point. Why on earth would a Foolishness/Cora scumteam play like this? They could have used Foolishness' power so easily to kill off a townie (Cora could have moved his votes to Yamato or even me without anybody thinking twice about it), but because Foolishness exposed the way his power worked, we took precautions and got Cora lynched. This seems like such a stupid move from scum, that I doubt Foolishness is in a scumteam with Cora. risk.nuke brings up 3P. I guess that's a possibility. But what evidence for a 3P do we have? Unlynchable survivor seems ridiculous... and the KP from last night seems to be just scum, so no evidence for an SK (it's possible there was a doublestack or a save). So what wincon does the 3P have? So... Foolishness town? :O Also, regarding medic saves: are there hit notifications this game? It's this kind of post that incensed me in the Duel Mafia ObsQT. Fuck me, Acro. Why? Where is my reasoning wrong? How the hell does a scumteam throw away a free lynch on a townie? Both Cora and Foolishness were already the top 2 scumspects, so it's not as if someone unsuspected would be claiming scum by doing this. If Foolishness had kept quiet they could probably have gotten a townie lynched, pretty much for free. Why not do that? So Foolishness, the townie, has ALL his mafia reads wrong (probably), and not only so, outright, and blatantly, lied about me, about yamato, and about Corazon. Just outright, blatant untruths. This is impossible for a town Foolishness. Given he already made a whole host of errors this game, I'm not ruling him doing anything stupid out. He's simply not very good.
so i actually find acro's point kind of convincing.
i don't think it points in any way towards foolishness being town.
however, if foolishness was on the scum team, it would be completely counterproductive for him to tell us that the second place vote getter gets lynched. if he hadn't told us that, he could just have told corazon to switch his two votes to someone else, maybe someone who already had one or two votes on him, and that person would have gotten lynched. there's no real downside there since the thread was already pretty sure corazon was scum, and since we were already trying to lynch foolishness. it would have let the scum team keep their 3kp for another cycle.
so to me, it points towards foolishness being either an SK or some other weird third party role. It's not conclusive by any means, but if the question is "why would he provide town information that let us reduce scum kp for this cycle, when there was no downside for his team if he just didn't say anything" and your answer is just "because he's bad or stupid" then that isn't very convincing.
I think a lynch-proof serial killer would be pretty ridiculous. it totally goes counter to what the incentives should be for town, the lynch is the town's main power against anti-town elements and the incentives should be for town to find them and lynch them. plus the fact that there were apparently no town-aligned kp last night makes me think it's unlikely that we have multi-shot vigilantes, which would pretty much be a requirement to balance a lynch-proof serial killer.
Here's my wild guess - foolishness is Drazerk, has some variant on the attention-whore power from holy roman, has or had a one-shot KP, and his win con is to kill some specific role in the game or survive until they die. It's even possible that he has to kill Ace, and shot BC last night thinking he was Ace instead of RoL. (To me, BC's roleplaying could have pointed equally to either of those, although maybe there were things in it that actually pointed towards RoL that I didn't notice because I never played with him.) I think it's likely that he already spent his KP because he actually posted a case today and put some effort into pretending to be town, unlike yesterday, making me think he suddenly started to care about not getting vigged.
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On March 16 2013 00:13 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 00:04 GreYMisT wrote: MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT!
The illusions fade as the lies are dispersed from the town. cDgCorazon's True Alignment is revealed!
cDgCorazon (Palmar), was TOWN Plexa. GG.
oh
phew
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until they update the player list post i'm going to keep acting as though corazon was scum, for two reasons (1) powers that put announcements in the thread, sure. powers that make the host lie in the player list? fuck that shit (2)
On March 15 2013 12:08 cDgCorazon wrote: GG =) this post came three minutes after the flip, if I was town and just got called scum in my flip it would take longer than that to figure out what happened. this could be wrong if everyone involved had superfast pm reaction time but w/e
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On March 16 2013 00:44 HiroPro wrote: yea they framed bumatlarge day 2. he's mafia in the OP, town in the endgame post.
oh okay phew
still think that a power that changes the op is ridic.
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On March 16 2013 00:54 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:18 flamewheel wrote: The planting ability was amazingly powerful, and sadly that's all I contributed to this game.
Kudos to my team; you guys did a good job. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote: Looking from an outside perspective the mafia roles look really, really strong, especially the death framer. The tratior getting a free town kill when lynched is also... odd, I mean he lynches BC in his place, gets a free kp and forces the town to have to somehow kill him? That seems really, really strong. Not to mention the bomberman being a free extra kp, or the suicide bombers destructive potential.
Mafia seems stacked. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:30 Mig wrote: Yea the mafia roles are godlike. A bomb kp every single night. A role thief. A scum doctor. A puppetmaster. Pandain is gf + can permanently remove town powers. Syllo was fucking rber and admiral ackbar combined into one role, so anytime he was about to be lynched he could always suicide and kill the best town player. And then to top it off death framer is unreal good. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 19:40 Curu wrote: Overall from scum I think the Bombmaker + Flip Framer were too ridiculous. Not to excuse Town's shoddy play and it's understandable that they neeed strong roles to compensate for everyone in Town having a power, but some of them were so ridiculous that they weren't ever going to be used - Vig that dies to a mishot, Vig that dies if he guesses role/alignment wrong, my own ability was purely luck based, and so on.
Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote:On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote: Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too.
Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Bull. I call bull on all of you. The fact that people are using this to push me as red is ridiculous, because I never used cora's alignment as a determination of another players. All the vets of TL Mafia agree that the death framer was too strong, and you guys think that kita and grey would decide to put it back into the game untouched. Wow. No.
thats why they made the role so much weaker
like are you serious right now? "untouched"?
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On March 16 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote: GreYMisT's post may be treated as fact.
it may be treated as fact
it may also be treated as not fact
this is a carefully worded comment imo
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On March 16 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote: Wouldn't be at all surprised if the final team was:
Foolish/Cora/slOosh/Vivax/Crossfire
I don't know why risk.nuke would out himself as having received a nuke and associate himself with his scumbuddies. Far easier just to... you know, not mention it at all.
or why they would send him a nuke and then have him not use it
oh wait but then you could say exactly that
once you start assuming sloosh is mafia you have to forget about the nukes and judge people by the rest of their filters, so the nuke is no longer a reason to think risk is town
however, the rest of his filter is a reason to "lean town" on him, in my opinion.
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On March 16 2013 02:08 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote:On March 16 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote: only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though.
Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that
##vote: Vivax NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS! I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow. Ok. I worry that we don't have a regular vig, but I guess the announce/roleblock thing makes some sense. And I do love me a bit of Vivax death. It's part of your role that you have to announce it in thread then? It's kind of weird. I guess someone had a town read on me because it's their role that's being used. They added me to a sleeper cell with a 1shot vig power. I assume each night they can add a new person (I got the notification pm with the day post). Each phase the leader can send one pm through the mods to the members of the cell and each night we vote on who to kill. If everyone in the cells votes match the shot goes off on that target(I don't know if it's instantly or at night resolution, I assume resolution).I announced it because it was obvious that's what was doing when I asked if he had a vet power and to make sure the leader and I were on the same page, but I wouldn't know if the bullet fizzed if I didn't know about vivax powers.
does the leader get a vote? Or only the people who got added? Or are the votes done by PM, and you just put yours in the thread to
I ask this because no one was voting during the night last night, so it seems like
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On March 16 2013 02:08 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote:On March 16 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote: only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though.
Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that
##vote: Vivax NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS! I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow. Ok. I worry that we don't have a regular vig, but I guess the announce/roleblock thing makes some sense. And I do love me a bit of Vivax death. It's part of your role that you have to announce it in thread then? It's kind of weird. I guess someone had a town read on me because it's their role that's being used. They added me to a sleeper cell with a 1shot vig power. I assume each night they can add a new person (I got the notification pm with the day post). Each phase the leader can send one pm through the mods to the members of the cell and each night we vote on who to kill. If everyone in the cells votes match the shot goes off on that target(I don't know if it's instantly or at night resolution, I assume resolution).I announced it because it was obvious that's what was doing when I asked if he had a vet power and to make sure the leader and I were on the same page, but I wouldn't know if the bullet fizzed if I didn't know about vivax powers.
does the leader get a vote? Or only the people who got added? Or are the votes done by PM, and you just put yours in the thread for transparency?
I ask this because no one was voting during the night last night, so it seems like there was presumably no sleeper cell vig shot during that phase.
Also one other question - when you say "sleeper cell", is that what the hosts told you it was or is that just an analogy you came up with? Because if the hosts used the term "sleeper cell" then I would start to be worried about alternate wincons etc.
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On March 16 2013 03:54 prplhz wrote: i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum.
yeah i like this attitude
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