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On March 13 2013 07:27 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 07:17 HiroPro wrote: i dont like prplz case. from what i have seen bc spends a lot of time looking to punish bad play or things he doesnt like even if they arent about finding mafia. look at lviii where he says to kill palmar even thoufh clearly town and then later in obs qt says he did it just cause he thought palmars play was antitown. if bc just keeps spending his time saying same things over and over about yamato then kill him but otherwise look at his other stuff i say.
bc tell us about people other than yamto and ver. i already know what you say about them. you are familar with supersoft? what do you think of him. where did he say this? i was involved in this game and in that QT and as far as I remember his argument was that Palmar was playing anti-town *and was therefore mafia*. He says this both in-game and in the QT i cannot find eact quote its too big search on phoen but i definetly remember 100% he said that diddnt matter if palmar dropped town tells or if other people knew he was town best to just kill him.
http://quicktopic.com/48/H/YwLMP7ia2me
post 68 by me.
hiro is correct here, marv is not.
For those who want to know what i said it is this:
and yes boson if I couldn't find someone i was 100% certain was red and knew that a town player was being detrimental to the town and had the ability to influence lynches I would push for their lynch. Based on their bad play you can easily analyze them and get them lynched and also remove a toxic influence from the game that no one will blame you for if he flips town. Palmar should be getting shot or lynched tommorrow based on his play .
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On March 13 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. filterBloodyC0bbler starts out by jokingly pushing Ver and slOosh though it turns out that he is being very serious about this. This is similar to his opening post from Storm Mafia where he was scum. Nothing in PTP3, LVIII, Liquid City, LVI, L, all town games and in all games he got down to business. His push on Ver is purely based on how Ver is not around and while BloodyC0bbler drops slOosh he keeps his Ver scum read right up until now. He has been told that Ver said before the game that he wouldn't have time before Monday but this doesn't stop BloodyC0bbler, even though BloodyC0bbler was lynched by a rampant town in his last game when he was in a similar situation to Ver's, having warned the thread about his projected activity but still getting lynched for it. Another really curious thing about the Ver push is this post. It makes no sense at all, because they are experienced they should have written an apology? But an apology (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on alignment at all, it is not hard to write an apology, it just seems too convinient for BloodyC0bbler to use this bad logic to legitimize his push. This Ver push just seems very unlike BloodyC0bbler from his town games. While he does have early reads such as in PTP3 where he had an early Kurumi scum read, he interacts with the thread and he constantly evolves his reads. In a town game where he says in his fourth post that Kurumi is obviously scum, he still has a lot of other opinions and ends up voting differently. He's constantly reevaluating but there's nothing of that in this game. How BloodyC0bbler is acting on D1 in general is curious. BloodyC0bbler is a guy who has a certain opinion of himself. Look at this post where he says that no one can say that he has bad D1 reads because of the list he made. Look at this post where he claims to be one of the most experienced players with the ability to lead. This is in a game with Foolishness, sandroba, Palmar and many other really good players but he still thinks he's the best choice for mayor. He has high thought of himself but he doesn't show that at all in this game, he's actually just sitting back and hoping that Ver will lynch himself. About this very light pushing of Ver, even though he doesn't want to lynch wherebugsgo his activity becomes horrible up until the lynch. The last and biggest thing he does related to the lynch is this post: On March 12 2013 10:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote: I'm with you on wbg, bc Why is Yamato so important to kill? I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of. Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling. "Its not so much policy as meta", does BloodyC0bbler even know himself why he is lynching Ver? And notice why he wants to lynch yamato77, it's not because he is scum but because he has played "obviously anti town". This is true but that's absolutely no reason to lynch him, this is no reason in itself to think that he is scum. Even when I ask him what he meant with his decafchicken comment he doesn't use that in any way to influence the lynch. There's no "decafchicken was lynched because of dumb coincidence and we shouldn't repeat that here, lets lynch Ver because I have played 50 games with him and my D1 reads are awesome", he's just answering my dumb and largely irrelevant question. Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now.
thats the post by the way. Do you say 100% no. But the connotation that goes with it does suggest it.
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On March 13 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: you did also repeatedly call him mafia and fakeclaim DT to call him mafia, BC.
Yes, but I was also lynched day 1 no? Pretty sure I'm allowed to attempt risky gambles like that given i was attempting to save town from being retarded.
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On March 13 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 07:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. filterBloodyC0bbler starts out by jokingly pushing Ver and slOosh though it turns out that he is being very serious about this. This is similar to his opening post from Storm Mafia where he was scum. Nothing in PTP3, LVIII, Liquid City, LVI, L, all town games and in all games he got down to business. His push on Ver is purely based on how Ver is not around and while BloodyC0bbler drops slOosh he keeps his Ver scum read right up until now. He has been told that Ver said before the game that he wouldn't have time before Monday but this doesn't stop BloodyC0bbler, even though BloodyC0bbler was lynched by a rampant town in his last game when he was in a similar situation to Ver's, having warned the thread about his projected activity but still getting lynched for it. Another really curious thing about the Ver push is this post. It makes no sense at all, because they are experienced they should have written an apology? But an apology (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on alignment at all, it is not hard to write an apology, it just seems too convinient for BloodyC0bbler to use this bad logic to legitimize his push. This Ver push just seems very unlike BloodyC0bbler from his town games. While he does have early reads such as in PTP3 where he had an early Kurumi scum read, he interacts with the thread and he constantly evolves his reads. In a town game where he says in his fourth post that Kurumi is obviously scum, he still has a lot of other opinions and ends up voting differently. He's constantly reevaluating but there's nothing of that in this game. How BloodyC0bbler is acting on D1 in general is curious. BloodyC0bbler is a guy who has a certain opinion of himself. Look at this post where he says that no one can say that he has bad D1 reads because of the list he made. Look at this post where he claims to be one of the most experienced players with the ability to lead. This is in a game with Foolishness, sandroba, Palmar and many other really good players but he still thinks he's the best choice for mayor. He has high thought of himself but he doesn't show that at all in this game, he's actually just sitting back and hoping that Ver will lynch himself. About this very light pushing of Ver, even though he doesn't want to lynch wherebugsgo his activity becomes horrible up until the lynch. The last and biggest thing he does related to the lynch is this post: On March 12 2013 10:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote: I'm with you on wbg, bc Why is Yamato so important to kill? I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of. Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling. "Its not so much policy as meta", does BloodyC0bbler even know himself why he is lynching Ver? And notice why he wants to lynch yamato77, it's not because he is scum but because he has played "obviously anti town". This is true but that's absolutely no reason to lynch him, this is no reason in itself to think that he is scum. Even when I ask him what he meant with his decafchicken comment he doesn't use that in any way to influence the lynch. There's no "decafchicken was lynched because of dumb coincidence and we shouldn't repeat that here, lets lynch Ver because I have played 50 games with him and my D1 reads are awesome", he's just answering my dumb and largely irrelevant question. Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now. thats the post by the way. Do you say 100% no. But the connotation that goes with it does suggest it. no, it suggests exactly how VE said it and exactly how it's written. That you've given me reasons to think you're town. Like, it literally says those very words and that is exactly how it was meant. Why is this hard to grasp?
Because I know you use varying levels analyzing someone. "leans town, could be town, likely town"
Or obvious the opposite. Perhaps its also because one of my best town tells was already posted in this thread by someone and ignored by all.
Realistically I don't care why you dislike how I interpret things.
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On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote:Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato. Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment. NowTownTownScumI notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them. most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax.
hes got some of my town reads some of my mafia reads.
Seems decent mixed list tbh
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eat that obs qt bc was right
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Also mafia, Fuck you guys =(
Roleblocking broke my bus
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On March 19 2013 12:40 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also mafia, Fuck you guys =(
Roleblocking broke my bus too good man. you were onto Ver, had to do it. incidentally, I'm still kind of annoyed that Ver didn't talk to anyone in our team at all or tell us his role -_- like I don't know if he actually didn't check his role PM or was just ridiculously busy or what but sigh.
I knew i was getting shot. Didnt think id eat a roleblock too =(
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On March 19 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:46 Acrofales wrote: Also reading the obsQT killing BC was 100% the right choice, lol. ditto that woulda backfired so badly mainly cos we lose a KP
I had such an epic move. bus would off one of your team confirm me and foolishness. Likely confirm marv and then I was already quickly onto austin and acro. I was going to do such great things =(
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On March 19 2013 13:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 19 2013 13:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 19 2013 13:24 marvellosity wrote: anyway sorry to town for being an ass and totally awful all game.
got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia.
generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end.
i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again.
I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/ oh sparkly one, the dog would never have led you wrong. You should have heeded those puppy eyes and said those words of praise. Instead, the dog was shot in the heart, and the shepherd was soon gone too. It was a day of bloodshed and a night of despair. Why, only the Sages could have saved you then, but even they were misguided by the stars. Sadly the Brown Brotherhood was only a front for the cause, a product of the old dog's senility. In fantasy dreamworld, perhaps the reality would have been different. Remember the old saying. no you. But seriously I think this is a really good example of what happens when town have a bad day 1 and basically lots of confusion everywhere. Mafia did a good job of ensuring the chaotic townies remained chaotic yes town imploded, but mafia created "plausible" scenarios for the atmosphere to remain like that at least in my opinion
Town really didn't have a horrible day 1. Lynched third party, killed a trolling player who was cluttering thread. There were a ton of things bad with day 1 but it was the towns most successful day.
Mafia did do well ensuring town kept pushing bad choices but had a single player gone out of their way to just filter dive a few of you would have been caught. However by day 3 it really didnt matter
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On March 20 2013 01:05 austinmcc wrote:Just got through obs QT, BC too baws. BC, can I ask why you were scummy on me before D3? I would agree that we all went wonky going for the flawless and did a bad job of outing ourselves, but you were on my case before that? I feel like I absolutely didn't comment on my teammates, which may have outed me, and also that I posted things like thread police posts, but didn't fully back them up by trying to organize town. D3 and beyond I don't think I scummed well, but I thought I'd been alright before that point. <3 reading gonzaw's obs posts. Really wish gonzaw or BH would have been real roles, they'd have been quite fun to get. sorry kita for not following through and going full troll at the end of D3. But at least I stayed true to your personality and SOMEHOW DID NOT GET ELECTED WHILE RUNNING FOR MAYOR UNOPPOSED. It was almost too perfect Also, I gotta know whether crossfire actually got his rb message or not. I was so proud to FINALLY get to post that video, because the stupid commercial song plays in my head every time I read a post of his.
Overall, I guess enough has been said of how this game played out. From D2 onwards, we really just sat back and did some very minor pushing of buttons and let the thread go where it was going. I'm not certain whether that was a great call from us, would be interested in hearing thoughts from folks who weren't mafia this game. Apart from us all getting lazy D3 and pushing for the flawless, anything MAJOR that we slipped up in doing as a team?
I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off"
Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check"
From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread.
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On March 20 2013 04:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off"
Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check"
From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. Ah, thanks. Fueling the fire was definitely what I was trying to do, will have to work on hiding it better or just doing more than only that. This was the first game where I've had a scumteam to interact with and worry about, not yet comfortable with how to play around scumbuddies. Especially the DP/ver bit (I don't think I even MENTIONED DP, and certainly not after a point, because I didn't see any way around calling him scum and it seemed like we could win without having to lynch him).
It is a hard thing to realize you could be doing more when the tactic your using is doing so well. Again it was something near no one noticed so you did extremely well at it. I think it was only obvious to me given that I was dead and able to take more time thinking about posts people made compared to the slaving through it that everyone else had to.
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On March 20 2013 04:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 04:41 austinmcc wrote:On March 20 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off"
Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check"
From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. Ah, thanks. Fueling the fire was definitely what I was trying to do, will have to work on hiding it better or just doing more than only that. This was the first game where I've had a scumteam to interact with and worry about, not yet comfortable with how to play around scumbuddies. Especially the DP/ver bit (I don't think I even MENTIONED DP, and certainly not after a point, because I didn't see any way around calling him scum and it seemed like we could win without having to lynch him). It is a hard thing to realize you could be doing more when the tactic your using is doing so well. Again it was something near no one noticed so you did extremely well at it. I think it was only obvious to me given that I was dead and able to take more time thinking about posts people made compared to the slaving through it that everyone else had to. You note that I've played for a bit now (and have off games). I know I feel that I have particularly bad reads when looking at new players, or some players that I've been in a few games with but just can't a good feel for. Would this just be less-telling-but-probably-scummy had I been newer?
Its something I would have had to analyze more had you been newer. Much like you I find players who have established themselves in a way easier to read as they don't change their style as much. They might get better reads / analytical skills but overall once you have say 10ish games under your belt of mafia or town you tend to have a "style" you gravitate towards. It was overall that your play to my eye felt not at all like the town you I expect to see. Quality of reads doesn't bother me so much as we all have good / bad ones. However seeing someone sheep marv so hard when marv was so obviously on tilt is odd.
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On March 20 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 01:05 austinmcc wrote:Just got through obs QT, BC too baws. BC, can I ask why you were scummy on me before D3? I would agree that we all went wonky going for the flawless and did a bad job of outing ourselves, but you were on my case before that? I feel like I absolutely didn't comment on my teammates, which may have outed me, and also that I posted things like thread police posts, but didn't fully back them up by trying to organize town. D3 and beyond I don't think I scummed well, but I thought I'd been alright before that point. <3 reading gonzaw's obs posts. Really wish gonzaw or BH would have been real roles, they'd have been quite fun to get. sorry kita for not following through and going full troll at the end of D3. But at least I stayed true to your personality and SOMEHOW DID NOT GET ELECTED WHILE RUNNING FOR MAYOR UNOPPOSED. It was almost too perfect Also, I gotta know whether crossfire actually got his rb message or not. I was so proud to FINALLY get to post that video, because the stupid commercial song plays in my head every time I read a post of his.
Overall, I guess enough has been said of how this game played out. From D2 onwards, we really just sat back and did some very minor pushing of buttons and let the thread go where it was going. I'm not certain whether that was a great call from us, would be interested in hearing thoughts from folks who weren't mafia this game. Apart from us all getting lazy D3 and pushing for the flawless, anything MAJOR that we slipped up in doing as a team? I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off" Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check" From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. Yeah, that's kinda what I was going for. I thought I had more of a balance of scumhunting going, but really I was happy to poke Vivax and question Marv about why exactly Foolishness was scum for most of the game. I will immediately admit that austin did a better job than I did. But then again, I always get called by some people, so I wasn't too worried. Oh, and @Promethelax: I do respect you, otherwise I wouldn't say that. EDIT: Also, I knew my position on DP in D3 was not gonna hold up under scrutiny for long. I had him as my primary scumspect for almost the whole game, but never actually wanted to lynch him. If DP had ever gotten lynched I may well have gotten caught on that, but we did a good job of stalling the lynch. I can't believe HiroPro's roleclaim actually worked. I was quite angry at him in the QT for screwing with the status quo.
I primarily nailed you on not bringing anything solid to the thread while making sure to keep active. Like near all of your posts were fueling a fire or "scumhunting". Its one of those things that your posts made way more sense as a mafia than as a town given that you had basically 0 heat and were obviously not emotionally invested in tunneling people. The few names you did rhyme out to my eye was like "wuh? but xfire, or foolishness, or yamato, etc... are so more town than scum and your reasoning sucked grrr"
I give you guys insane props though. You guys really did do a good job keeping the few players that could stomp on you preoccupied / shot the ones who could potentially have nailed you. Rb on me was not what I expected in the least. Figured i had goaded a bullet out of you but not the rb ;p
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On March 20 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 04:56 austinmcc wrote:On March 20 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 04:41 austinmcc wrote:On March 20 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off"
Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check"
From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. Ah, thanks. Fueling the fire was definitely what I was trying to do, will have to work on hiding it better or just doing more than only that. This was the first game where I've had a scumteam to interact with and worry about, not yet comfortable with how to play around scumbuddies. Especially the DP/ver bit (I don't think I even MENTIONED DP, and certainly not after a point, because I didn't see any way around calling him scum and it seemed like we could win without having to lynch him). It is a hard thing to realize you could be doing more when the tactic your using is doing so well. Again it was something near no one noticed so you did extremely well at it. I think it was only obvious to me given that I was dead and able to take more time thinking about posts people made compared to the slaving through it that everyone else had to. You note that I've played for a bit now (and have off games). I know I feel that I have particularly bad reads when looking at new players, or some players that I've been in a few games with but just can't a good feel for. Would this just be less-telling-but-probably-scummy had I been newer? Its something I would have had to analyze more had you been newer. Much like you I find players who have established themselves in a way easier to read as they don't change their style as much. They might get better reads / analytical skills but overall once you have say 10ish games under your belt of mafia or town you tend to have a "style" you gravitate towards. It was overall that your play to my eye felt not at all like the town you I expect to see. Quality of reads doesn't bother me so much as we all have good / bad ones. However seeing someone sheep marv so hard when marv was so obviously on tilt is odd. All makes sense. Thanks for the advice here, and for the posts from both you and foolishness in obs.
not a problem. I find playing as scum a very fun change of pace given my style. I know its not the easiest thing for everyone to do but I really enjoy taking control of the town and getting them to move at my pace / will for as long as possible. You guys did this differently then I would have likely but the end result and the willingness to try and improve are what matters in the long run.
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On March 20 2013 05:21 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I give you guys insane props though. You guys really did do a good job keeping the few players that could stomp on you preoccupied / shot the ones who could potentially have nailed you. Rb on me was not what I expected in the least. Figured i had goaded a bullet out of you but not the rb ;p I didn't make the long journey back to the start of scum QT, but I feel like we laid out a couple options and ended up just wanting you dead. Bus driver was not expected, but we wanted to shut down anything your role might have as far as keeping you up. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 05:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote:On March 20 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 04:56 austinmcc wrote:On March 20 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 20 2013 04:41 austinmcc wrote:On March 20 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off"
Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check"
From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. Ah, thanks. Fueling the fire was definitely what I was trying to do, will have to work on hiding it better or just doing more than only that. This was the first game where I've had a scumteam to interact with and worry about, not yet comfortable with how to play around scumbuddies. Especially the DP/ver bit (I don't think I even MENTIONED DP, and certainly not after a point, because I didn't see any way around calling him scum and it seemed like we could win without having to lynch him). It is a hard thing to realize you could be doing more when the tactic your using is doing so well. Again it was something near no one noticed so you did extremely well at it. I think it was only obvious to me given that I was dead and able to take more time thinking about posts people made compared to the slaving through it that everyone else had to. You note that I've played for a bit now (and have off games). I know I feel that I have particularly bad reads when looking at new players, or some players that I've been in a few games with but just can't a good feel for. Would this just be less-telling-but-probably-scummy had I been newer? Its something I would have had to analyze more had you been newer. Much like you I find players who have established themselves in a way easier to read as they don't change their style as much. They might get better reads / analytical skills but overall once you have say 10ish games under your belt of mafia or town you tend to have a "style" you gravitate towards. It was overall that your play to my eye felt not at all like the town you I expect to see. Quality of reads doesn't bother me so much as we all have good / bad ones. However seeing someone sheep marv so hard when marv was so obviously on tilt is odd. All makes sense. Thanks for the advice here, and for the posts from both you and foolishness in obs. not a problem. I find playing as scum a very fun change of pace given my style. I know its not the easiest thing for everyone to do but I really enjoy taking control of the town and getting them to move at my pace / will for as long as possible. You guys did this differently then I would have likely but the end result and the willingness to try and improve are what matters in the long run. Yeah, some lessons learned. My only scum games before were Aperture 2 with HiroPro, where we lost our third member on the first day with Hiro providing a key vote to lynch him, so I never had to deal with a scummy-looking teammate, and then CT where I replaced in and things were already going way downhill for scum. I know it's a bit different in a themed game than a normal, but nice to get a more full idea of what it's like playing from the start with a full team.
Given how dodgy my town performance is past day 2 I am surprised at how much people fear me now -_- I honestly don't think my town play is very strong but you guys keep shooting me d1 lol
On day 1 the only one of your team I had correctly pinned was ver and given that he was not performing or helping you guys in the least letting him die / finding a way to take credit for that death would have made 1-2 of you look amazing (note I have purposely arranged town kp / role use on killing a inactive mafia before as a gf).
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