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On February 27 2013 06:57 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Vayesh will you support myself or Doc for mayor? Your Lord is phoning this cycle in and he's not getting elected. The choice will fall on the hands that direct the machines of righteous death. Who will fall, who will be spared. A vote is cast on an ocean of shared thought. You know, on the one hand I agree with Vivax; trying to decipher this shit is getting on my nerves.
But on the other hand, it is kind of fun. I SHALL ALLOW IT.
Hey OO, top lynch target? Apparently you see Vivax as town/null and Prom is an obvious case right now; I'm interested in who you see as a threat to town.
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Oh and as for Soniv, he's super busy all the time, so lack of contribution on his part is probably expected except for specific times during the day. That said if he doesn't post during those specific times I will be on his ass....still waiting on a reply from him. AND FUCKING GERIPT.
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Regarding Soniv, yes I read his filter and it's mostly useless aside from a scumread on Vayesh, though I'm not really sure how he has enough to go on besides the fact that all Vayesh is doing is cryptically posting about random people. I expect to hear more from him later, as I said.
Geript, I don't know what horseshit you're spouting but nowhere in your filter do you address my buddying concerns. You mention to others why you find my responses 'uncharacteristic' but you've played ONE GAME with me, during which point I DIED N1. YOU KNOW SHIT ALL ABOUT ME, SO STOP PRETENDING YOU DO.
Find something more useful to do with your time and fucking scumhunt.
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On February 27 2013 12:06 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 11:58 The Macho Man wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Agree on testsubject With JJ..after re-reading his filter, I liking him a lot better and wouldnt consider him a strong candidate for lynch. I am very keen to hear the continuation thoughts on macho man, once prome is lynched. This will be paramount to developing my read further on him. how so Shit question, shit answer. Cos I thought so. Up ya game, its far from perfect. being in two games isnt an excuse for shit play or shit questions. wanna try asking again with something specific? well good sir i just checked my role pm and it says regardless of what prom is i am town its very conditional like that Smurfing too hard apparently. Which one is he again just so I can follow? Also I've been attempting to keep up with the thread (haven't been able to post until recently) and honestly I can't think of anything meaningful to contribute right now because I'm lost in the shitstorm of uselessness most people have been posting so far.
What happened to Aquanim?
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On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 02:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ...
I think ObviousOne (for reasons already mentioned, read posts by Aquanim and the Milkman, I can go more in depth) is likely mafia. I also think vigilantes/detectives ought to look closely through the filter of WaveofShadow and jcarlsoniv with a copy of Ver's Town Guide in the next tab and see what you feel like doing tonight.
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Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go? I don't think he meant that we're scum with that comment.
So are we dead-set on having VE and Dr.H as Mayor/pardoner at this point? Do we know 100% what their motives are for D1 (Prom lynch) and will they stick to them? Does it matter which one gets which role?
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On February 27 2013 13:44 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ...
I think ObviousOne (for reasons already mentioned, read posts by Aquanim and the Milkman, I can go more in depth) is likely mafia. I also think vigilantes/detectives ought to look closely through the filter of WaveofShadow and jcarlsoniv with a copy of Ver's Town Guide in the next tab and see what you feel like doing tonight.
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go? I don't think he meant that we're scum with that comment. So are we dead-set on having VE and Dr.H as Mayor/pardoner at this point? Do we know 100% what their motives are for D1 (Prom lynch) and will they stick to them? Does it matter which one gets which role? Trying to answer this question made me realize how much having to decide Mayor and Pardoner really sucks for town. Why can't we just vote on who we kill like every other game I've played. Well for the most part we do...after D1 like others have said both roles are going to have minimal effect. An interesting thing I thought of is the fact that Dr.H is pretty sure he is going to be scum target N1 whether elected or not. Doesn't this bring us back to the potential of eliminating a role we don't want falling into the wrong hands again?
And if in fact we believe VE/Dr. H to be useful to the town (as it seems many of us do), if Dr. H is so sure he is going to die why let role go to waste so easily (or bait a medic save...)?
I know people didn't like my original plan but given the things that Dr. H has already mentioned and if we do believe him to be useful to us, it may be worth thinking about trying to do SOMETHING about it, is all.
Now as for scumhunting, we've gotten nowhere in a very long time as with Prom on the chopping block no one else appears to feel even remotely threatened....
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On February 27 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Now as for scumhunting, we've gotten nowhere in a very long time as with Prom on the chopping block no one else appears to feel even remotely threatened.... You still pushing this buddying claim (regards to Geript) No, considering Geript hasn't offered anything up since I have absolutely nothing to go on. He's just as useless as half the other players in here. He's got a little suspicion on Dr. H...well great. Unless he comes up with something concrete then the guy he's suspicious of is gonna be mayor and he isn't altogether concerned.
Aquanim I say we haven't gotten anywhere because since the train got going on Prom there have been no largely effective cases. I'm going to do a little filter diving to see what exactly a Prom flip is going to mean.
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To be fair, glurio never contributes very much at all until he's about to be lynched, scum or town.
As for me, I really should be contributing since I pledged to hours ago. Gonna try and dig sumpin up.
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List post, because errrbody loves list posts! For the record, I’m doing this because I haven’t contributed in a while and it’ll help me get my own thoughts in order as well as hopefully draw attention to those people (such as me) who are going ignored and unscrutinized. (I'm sick of Prom/Vivax talk if you can't tell. Just lynch 'em both and get it over with.) I can go into more detail on any of these if requested (as well as talk about those not included whose filter is actually substantial), and this will give other people opportunity to look at me as well if curious (though I don’t think anyone is). Toad: Pretty strong town-read. He jumped on Prom with VE real early and for whatever reason is/was under attack (weakly) from Vivax. Not following VE’s logic as to why he’s mafia to be honest, his defenses check out, and that makes me worry a little about VE, to be honest.
Grush: Null…mebbe scum-leaning. His filter is too short and useless to reveal anything about him, and to be completely honest I have no clue wtf that starsenses thing is about.
Jcarlsoniv: Scummy, though I could see blue or black. (Apparently his record is almost exclusively VT which is kinda funny, but whatever) Should be contributing a hell of a lot more than he has, hasn’t answered a multitude of questions answered him later on in the day but earlier on was aggressive and made a couple of decent analysis posts on a few of the less-analyzed people. Appears overall as wanting to contribute but afraid to for whatever reason, again either because scum or avoiding attention (blue/black). The longer he goes without something of value the scummier he looks to me.
The Milkman: Huge lurk but when he is around, is useful. Dissected the crap out of Vivax’s ‘reads’ post and did a good job. Town read.
Geript: Null. The problem with him are his short posts that hide behind the façade of calm psychological analysis when in reality he knows absolutely nothing about anyone. (Case and point, which I have brought up before, his ridiculous tunneling of me early.) He talks about how he bases his reads on behavioural analysis and whatnot so as I’ve stated before this makes his reads really bad and untrustworthy, or he’s scum. Honestly I could see either.
Glurio: Null. His lack of posting and uselessness is pretty standard play in both his recent mafia and town games. Prom: Not gonna rape the dead horse. I’m still kinda interested to see what a flip means for other people in the thread but I realized that was gonna need more analysis that I could do in the state I was in. I’ll probably just let this one flip and let Dr.H take the reins as he said he would do whether Prom flipped scum or town.
Restraining Order: One of the only people who actually liked my idea early game. Changed his vote off of me before Dr.H shut me down hard but the vote wagon had already started so tough to say if trying to hide or not. Null.
DoctorHelvetica: Apparently has something about me that was bothering him but didn’t elaborate because I always seem to slip under the radar despite trying to help. He initially like my idea but then flipped around on it real quickly and shut it down. Says he doesn’t care about being mayor but then very obviously and clearly does. His reads are clear and strong, and he is very pro-town. Seems as though he has a very specific agenda in mind but I’m not 100% sure it’s going to end up in town’s favor after today. Still gonna go with town despite the above.
Aquanim: Questionsquestionsquestionsquestions. A lot of lurk, and very few answers. Says he’s in favor of an OO lynch D2 which I could get behind but I would want to know why exactly. Why no heavy analysis? Null.
Chaosbear: modkill fodder
The Macho Man/iamp: Calls for everyone to focus on scumhunting early game but does no such hunting himself – only reactionary counterarguments to Vivax calling him out and a soft defense of Prom. All he does the rest of the thread is call people out without any analysis and telling people to scumhunt. Weak attempts and trying to look like he’s contributing. Scummy.
TestSubject: I’m not a fan of meta analysis but based on the way he jumped into last NMM, this is a really weak showing from him. Null read, but I expect more from him and like Soniv the longer he goes without doing much the scummier he gets.
Randombum: Tough call. Makes a big show of saying his reads are accurate but then posts a dumb plan and disappears. Then makes a great case on OO and then disappears. Really wish I could see more from him but apparently we won’t be seeing him until next day? Also bothers me that although good, the case on OO is too easy to make. Leaning scum until I see otherwise.
VayeshMoru: His posts are strangely entertaining yet piss me off at the same time because he hasn’t CONTRIBUTED, only agrees or disagrees with others. Null.
Layabout: lurky but his posts and questions get better as the day progresses. His list of lynch targets for D1 is dumb as hell especially since he gives no reasons why. Defends Prom and is against TestSubject`s thoughts of not trusting Dr.H 100%. This one`s tough imo, motivations scream scum but I`m having a hard time with it for whatever reason. Scum-leaning I guess?
JungleJorge: Too little to go on. Says he’s ‘withholding info’ and has reads ie. TMM but is going for a Prom lynch because he wouldn’t be able to dissuade anyone anyway. Had better deliver on his ‘information,’ otherwise in the same boat as the other two who I expect more from. Scum-leaning.
Hassybaby: Soooo many excuses as to his lack of play. Want more contribution from him. Null.
Chezinu: Who the fuck knows, but I want him gone anyway.
As for my vote I can honestly say I’m not 100% sure of either Dr. H or VE, but since my earlier idea will not gain any traction it’s going to be the two of them whether I like it or not. ##vote: VisceraEyes
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Prom: Not gonna rape the dead horse. I’m still kinda interested to see what a flip means for other people in the thread but I realized that was gonna need more analysis that I could do in the state I was in. I’ll probably just let this one flip and let Dr.H take the reins as he said he would do whether Prom flipped scum or town.
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Jcarlsoniv: Scummy, though I could see blue or black. (Apparently his record is almost exclusively VT which is kinda funny, but whatever) Should be contributing a hell of a lot more than he has, hasn’t answered a multitude of questions people asked him later on in the day but earlier on was aggressive and made a couple of decent analysis posts on a few of the less-analyzed people. Appears overall as wanting to contribute but afraid to for whatever reason, again either because scum or avoiding attention (blue/black). The longer he goes without something of value the scummier he looks to me.
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Appreciate the clarity Dr.H, and the explanation of your playstyle in contrast to others.
On February 28 2013 02:15 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 02:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No one loves list posts. They have absolutely zero value to anyone but you, keep it in a notepad (out of the thread) until your thoughts are organized and only posts the information that is relevant to your case. They also make tracking additional deaths during the night from possible vigilantes a little harder. But that's just additional info for personal consideration because as always WIFOM argument is here to stay. I don't get it why try to pin someone down as SK. That's just as meaningless as trying to determine what smurf is who. Also DrH, you'd rather see yourself elected as pardoner or BH? I understand the aversion to list-posts but it's been so long since I contributed and my lack-of-sleep state preventing me from heavy filter diving and analysis...it was basically this or lurk the rest of D1 and to be frank, I'd least like to attempt to contribute.
How exactly does a list make vig tracking more difficult? And as far as SK is concerned, I'm not trying to pin him down necessarily, just highlighting the fact that I see Soniv as anything but VT right now.
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On February 28 2013 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:I was actually the (badass) SK in Storm. You never responded to my question about Toad Doc. Though it was a little abrasive, I still would like a response. Toad has exhibited behavior that exhibits having an agenda - namely his insistence on being "recognized" as the genesis of the Prom lynch and (what I perceive to be) discrediting of me before I was a serious candidate for mayor. I'd like your thoughts on Toadesstern, and I'd like you to walk me through any town read you have on him considering you're an in-thread kind of guy and not a meta guy. VE can you explain to me why you're after Toad? I was looking through your exchanges with him and I really don't see how he's trying to discredit you. He makes the statement about your 'waffling' once and switches his vote onto Dr.H but honestly I can understand why when you mentioned you may be lynching OO if he happens to be scummier.
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On February 28 2013 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you read my explanation of that? Because I'm running for mayor, I'm using the lynch to try and pressure people for contribution. And in the case of OO it seems to have worked because he's tried to (from my perspective) feign contribution since. I'll admit that the more in agreement we all seem to be re: Prom, the more likely I am to lynch another of my reads - which is why I've been advocating DocH for mayor lately - but Toad specifically called it "waffling" twice...in a manner that seems to be specifically designed to anger me. He knows Mayoral strategy, he knows the power of the threat of lynch. For this reason, I think it was NOT supposed to be just an observation of my lynch preference, and WAS supposed to be discrediting me. But see that's the issue...if Toad (like most of us) actually wants Prom lynched then despite the 'threat of lynch' he can't be sure if what you're saying is just pressure or whether you actually are going to change your mind. Even I can't tell now that you've said you're more likely to lynch someone else. Is it just for pressure or are you gonna flip things on us? WIFOM.
If you're serious about not wanting to lynch Prom anymore you need to seriously let everyone know who is voting for you based on that premise.
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On February 28 2013 03:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: On my phone at work, so posting ability is limited.
@wave: I made a post addressing questions directed towards/ about me. I also said that if I missed any to please tell me. So please, enlighten me.
Vivax was lashing out hardcore. DrH, the last game he was town in was Themed Game Mafia (if you're looking to check in on him, as you said you might). You'll notice he and I were butting heads towards the end of the game. His attitude this game seems far more aggressive and illogical to me, and he is looking scummier each time he lashes out. Hmm...apparently I'm a huge dumbass and I'm not sure why I still thought you weren't responding. Still going to attribute that to not sleeping. The lynching of the pardoner is definitely not Geript's idea and it's been brought up a few times throughout the day but it was dismissed earlier as 'not possible.' Why is it now all of a sudden likely?
As for Chezinu, I have no idea how to respond to your post, and your entry into the thread regarding protection and rolehunting is just so much shit.
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While I'm not in favor of more VE v Toad, wtf Toad? So much wtf in this game...I don't get the strategy of trolling D1 and then eventually contributing that a whole bunch in here seem to be utilizing.
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On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. And so the herd is herded. Something about this really bothers me. Maybe it's because since the Prom lynch has basically been in effect and agreed upon by most everyone in the thread since like hour 3, it makes it very easy for anyone to manipulate what people do based on this. [conspiracy theory] VE is set up on an easy case thanks to easy Prom bus and entire town puts him on the road to election. He slowly gets more and more waffly so that eventually people move off him, knowing that the town will go wherever prom gets lynched and suddenly pardoner becomes an easier role for mafia to attain. [/conspiracytheory] Obviously this isn't entirely likely and probably not a worthy bus if it was set up from the beginning but there are other ways in which the super early decision of a Prom lynch can benefit, including but not limited to the ability to hide all fucking day.
Prom had better be mafia at this point, considering how much confidence was put into this without trying to adhere to any of the plans anyone else has come up with.
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On February 28 2013 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not the worst reasoning I've heard. So it has nothing to do with preferring his platform over mine/Docs then? Isn't that the exact same reasoning I had originally when I was suggesting being put up for Pardoner?
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I think I've mentioned this before as well, but since OO brought it up, do we care about the Mayoral role really? If we find both DrH and VE valuable (and I'm pretty sure we do) then essentially we let the mafia kill two birds with one stone (or at the very least force blue action) once one of them is elected mayor. If we elect someone who has proven...*ahem*...less useful during the day yet still town-aligned we force the mafia to choose.
If we don't care about the mayor after today then it doesn't really matter since VE/DrH are going to be night targets anyway. Thoughts? Once again, feel free to shut me down if the idea is dumb, but at the very least, explain why it's dumb.
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I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you. I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today.
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On February 28 2013 06:17 TestSubject893 wrote: Well, if people aren't on board with it its not gonna happen. The Pardoner role just freaks me out so much that I'd feel better knowing the pardoner is dead than having to take it into consideration when doing the math later in the game. A lot less difficult keeping track of it since it's a day save rather than night save imo.
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