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On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote: lol obviousone, hahaha Anyways, I said I don't like milkman. Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too. Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too. However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know. I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses. Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT.
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On February 27 2013 10:47 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote: lol obviousone, hahaha Anyways, I said I don't like milkman. Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too. Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too. However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know. I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses. Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT. Maybe i have different expectations for you and grush? also his post is better than yours since he doesn't pretend to be contributing and is likely right about scum hiding in the lurkers. Your post was just a pointless "look at me i am contributing" which is scummy. Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
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Are you seriously taking everything I said in the first few hours of the game as Gospel truth, guys? If you are, I'm sorry. I can't help you fix your read of me because I'm already dead if that's the case.
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Take another look started where I began posting ~9 hours ago or whatever and tell me what issues you have with that outside of me asking people questions that I want answers to. If it's still "seeming interested" then yeah, maybe you're right. I'm actually pretty bored with D1 right now.
I'm contributing of my own volition, not because you're asking me to. I could lurk like fuck and skate by like the other cats who have decided to not play on D1 much or at all, but here I am bearing my thoughts and I am mostly getting shit on for it.
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On February 28 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Obvios pulling for Wade it seems. I wonder if any accompanying reasoning is incoming. Kings in castles are prone to danger. Let he with the appendage of flame take hold of the fortress and thus become an object of priority for the cult of the damned. Thus we may save the doctor-in-name and free the hands of the doctors in action.
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You are wise in action as you are apt in name.
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The best explanation regarding the Ocular one is that he wishes to perceive all. Vision is his gift and his curse. May the Ocular one with great vision be proclaimed victor in the rise to power. Those without power must use the greatest gift of all to ensure that tonight the Healer of Texts survives. All else must fall away.
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Ink well has run dry,
fill it with blood of the scribe. Aquanim believes that the Obvious One is a member of the cultist faction.
His reasons are:
- writing very much while saying very little
- having the faintest of ideas of who might be a cultist less than one hour into the show
- acting out as if I were a petulant child
To these statements, I say that I am indeed guilty.
Guilty. As. Charged.
Let us now, however, turn the tables and see how well the Aquatic One follows his own advice.
One case which he has been tunneling on for 48 hours:On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote: My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now.
When Aquanim is not busy telling everyone that I am definitely scum, he is asking questions. A great many questions. His case on me from two real days ago seems to be able to stand on its own legs despite the vast amount of further spam and pointless drivel I have provided and he has NOT sought to strengthen his case with the newest information up to this point? If he hasn't developed his case on me, where are the other scum reads he has promised? To this I say, we shan't let you get off on coasting with having a single solitary voluntary scum read outside of the two most promising lynch candidates of Day 1. You cannot, as I have done, sit back and simply ask questions and go along with the prevailing theories of town while keeping me as your scum read and not keeping up on developing your case. I'd believe you were town if you had been pushing your own read as evidence developed. You are no better than I.
Or how about the fact that both of us ask lots of questions, though we may choose different people to ask? Observe both of our filters, and see how each of us has many many questions and very little opinion or analysis. Either Aquanim is playing the same relative level of town that I am or he knows I'm town and has used my early read as an opportunistic strike to put me on my back foot. Again, nothing he has said about me is wrong, but his filter is not too much different.
I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good.
The anvil cracks. The hammer relentlessly comes down. A new pariah is born.
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On February 28 2013 11:57 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good.
I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good. You raise the play this cycle... The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out. saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time. This post is helpful feedback, thank you Mocsta. Good day, sir. I think I will ignore you since I don't want to have another shit-fest in the thread.
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On February 28 2013 12:17 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:03 ObviousOne wrote:On February 28 2013 11:57 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good.
I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good. You raise the play this cycle... The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out. saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time. This post is helpful feedback, thank you Mocsta. Good day, sir. I think I will ignore you since I don't want to have another shit-fest in the thread. Ignoring me is guaranteed to make me shove a foot up your ass. And the comment was raised to you with the intent of constructive criticism. You don't have to actually read the filters to see what I was talking about. Just look at all the one-liners we both post with question marks at the end of the sentences instead of periods. Pretty simply request, I'm not sure why you got all hot and bothered by it, but I'm trying as hard as I can to not rise to the bait with the language you started that post with and you will earn no points with me by being using that tone. Telling me to step it up is like telling a man with no legs to run faster. I can't do it because it's not in the cards.
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On February 28 2013 12:23 iamperfection wrote: i agree with suckler that post by obvious one is completly useless and is overly defensive. reminds me of myself as scum in gsl 2 where i said basically said the same thing saying the only way to prove my towniness was by playing better. The only way you prove your town is by hunting scum and oo post does none of that and looks like a scum that is having a terrible time making case by trying to throw suspicion on aqua but not explaining why his actions are mafia motivated. Wrong account?
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On February 28 2013 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:05 ObviousOne wrote: Take another look started where I began posting ~9 hours ago or whatever and tell me what issues you have with that outside of me asking people questions that I want answers to. If it's still "seeming interested" then yeah, maybe you're right. I'm actually pretty bored with D1 right now.
I'm contributing of my own volition, not because you're asking me to. I could lurk like fuck and skate by like the other cats who have decided to not play on D1 much or at all, but here I am bearing my thoughts and I am mostly getting shit on for it. Yeah, that's about the end of it I guess. Vig ObviousScum.
On February 16 2013 08:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:On February 16 2013 08:10 HiroPro wrote: Someone should shoot obviousone tonight. It seems very strange that he screws around for most of the day and then comes back to vote super on nothing. I support this announcement This isn't a bad way to go out. I approve.
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Yet you seem to pay so little attention to which account you are using that I have attributed the same degree of reading skills to the conclusion of my post.
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Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig.
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On February 28 2013 12:43 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:41 ObviousOne wrote: Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig. yeah that real nice if your town your playing against your win cond. dont do that shit come on lets keep talking. If the Vig doesn't do the work I'll stick around til we win or I'm lynched, but if you're going to twist my words all day I really don't want to talk to either of you.
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On February 28 2013 12:45 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:41 ObviousOne wrote: Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig. OOI really enjoyed reading your thoughts in the shadowing thread. I also enjoyed your drive when you were an outted SK in NMM37 and pushing town to scum hunt even though the cycle was dead. I know you are capable of determining this scum team. =============== Please contribute to town, and share with me your thoughts on Vivax. Okay, back in a bit with that.
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On February 28 2013 13:02 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote: What about you aqua with mayor?
Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO? Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress. While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening. I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man. I'm in the middle of working on a Vivax at the moment JJ, here, run with this and see if it leads you anywhere:
On February 27 2013 18:39 Vivax wrote: What's your read of Prom aqua? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17892651 Just happened to be right on the page when I checked the thread and tabbed back, funny coincidence or divine providence?
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I was more asking if checking that point in the thread gave you any more information about your read on Aqua by looking at the context. Sorry that I wasn't clear why I was pointing it out.
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Thoughts on Vivax - Some behavior comparisons and a filter read in light of the D1 flip.
Legend: [++ town vivax | == null tell to me | -- scum vivax ]
Looking to the past to help understand the present, this is a game where Vivax was town and was lynched D2. I realize that looking at past games I have the benefit of knowing his alignment and the alignments of the people he is interacting with by virtue of being over. Also, we're only Approx 54 hours into the game give/take and his current tells are likely to become more evident as the game progresses.
Newbie Mini XV hosted by Toad, so Toad may have some insight regarding Vivax based on that game where Vivax was town.
Words that I would use to describe his town filter in NMMXV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&user=171343 ++Diligent Quoting ++Aggressive start: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 07:48 Vivax wrote: Giovanni Falcone reporting in.
Pro lynch, any information better than no information. Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods. Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 20:20 Vivax wrote:I'll answer to some of the accusations towards me here, also revealing more important information: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:47 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Cattivik Your posting reads so early, with not alot of actual content to date. Early days yet, though remember i'm watching you.
Miltonkram what a great post before work. I agree with all points you've said and want anyone who want's to discuss policy to just read that post. I slightly agree with your position on sciberbia as he is promoting policy discussion about no-lynch, however i agree that mafia first post is improbable. My main suspicion lies with Cattivik, though once sciberbia posts some responses to your accusation i will consider a vote on him.
##FOS: Cattivik Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make, you also agree on my point about him most likely not being mafia due to first post. His post has generated most discussion so far. Probably more than by just voting for someone based on a gut feeling. From the start of the game the majority, including me, was for D1 lynching, making sciberbias post obsolete cause we won't be discussing policy anyway.It is clear that someone will hang at the end of the day. + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:Let's have a look at Cattivik. Show nested quote +Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning.
I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. Look at this beginning statement. He agrees with Sciberbia's plan, but decides to support the complete opposite? CONTRADICTION. To me, this looks like he's going with the popular opinion (afraid to rock the boat) while simultaneously seeming to offer him support and defense. Either you agree or you don't. I never agreed to a plan: On May 31 2012 07:48 Cattivik wrote: Giovanni Falcone reporting in.
Pro lynch, any information better than no information. Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods. Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 07:58 Cattivik wrote: Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for? As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. But I was able to understand his logic concerning the difference between D1L/NL once he explained it. Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here thoughObviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so. First and foremost, the lurkers and cautious ones have to get votes, else they can just keep lurking. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote: He seems to really trust Sciberbia based solely on his activity and the notion that "first post can't be mafia" (I mentioned this before). His further reasoning: "Sciberbia is not promoting a NL, he's questioning a day 1 lynch". No. Sciberbia is definitely promoting a NL. It's been obvious since his reasoning. He attempts to remove heat from Sciberbia, over promoting his townie-ness and attacking others who place suspicion on him. He tries to deflect all opposition from Sciberbia, which at this point, is frankly strange. (look at his analysis on Solstice and Miltonkram).
He goes out of his way to defend him and his plan while being careful not stick his neck out by staying with the town majority. Based on the response to the previous quotes, I'm not just 'with' the majority, I've been part of it from the start of this game (for a D1 lynch before even knowing what sciberbias reasoning was). And it's in the best interest of the town to keep productive townies alive, sciberbia among them. I also don't like all this fingerpointing between active townies, if there are mafia still lurking, they can lean back. + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote: Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work....
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia. I've never even considered a NL in this game, but I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in any situation. In summary, the controversy about the policy talk seems to be dead to me. There is gonna be a D1 lynch. This is also a tl;dr version of the post for people who trust me anyway. Here, my updated statements regarding some of the players posting so far: Heist: I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie. If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority. However, given that i suspect others more for their passivity, I dont think that Heist is scum. Ange777: Stop lurking. I'll vote for you. Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe. Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote: Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki ++Exceptionally verbose ++Anti-lurker rage ++Suicidal: + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2012 05:52 Vivax wrote: I am confident that town will win anyway even if you lynch the wrong one. Once that's done, I hope that you focus on the real scum, I don't feel the points I made in my defense are weak, but it's easy to think a player is guilty when most of the information posted is about him, and day 2 has been mostly about me.
You're doing the error of 'lynching the most controversial or outspoken player'. But feel free to make it, since Shiao and heist will have a lot of trouble nevertheless, cause I will flip town and their cases are extremely one-sided (towards me).
Just mind that they have another kill at their disposal, I would opt for sciberbia if I were mafia right now.
Was a fun first game, guys. But I need to work on my strat.
##Unvote heist ##Vote Vivax
A previous scum game - Yet Another Normal Mini Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487&user=171343¤tpage=All --ROLECLAIMS VT --Digs deep into two targets simultaneously (WBG, stutters) --Night Action speculation --Then CONDEMNS it: + Show Spoiler +On December 22 2012 01:31 Vivax wrote: I don't like that you're speculating about the NK, and you'll need something more than that vote to nail debears. It's not uncommon for townies to have their vote on the wrong place, I'm rather worried about those having their vote suddenly on the right place for no strong reason, like Morbidius. --NEARLY CLAIMS SCUM: + Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 01:01 Vivax wrote: Answer me why they wouldn't shoot yamato first. Since his uncontested miller claim he's the only one we can be 100 % sure of being townie. Maybe that's just my way of thinking from a scum perspective, but I would have chosen him over Toad, of whom you know something from meta and I don't.
As for the other scum, it depends on how debears flips. Morbidius claimed cop in a casual way at an unscummy timing, so I'm believing it, that leads my earlier reads to shit.
I'll have to reassess some reads, I'll judge WBG after the flip, Eywa is being lurky and roleplayed along with Wiggles, and I can't get a townread out of Prom yet, stutters is stutters, I've given up on pushing him, he's kinda in the grush category, such people are a vigis job. I can't imagine Palmar being scum at this point, same goes for sciberbia since his last collection of reads and his contribution to the Wiggles lynch.
Iamp has been checked and the godfather is down, yamato is miller. Overall, I have a good feeling about this game, given that the godfather has been nailed D1 and we have so many blues. --Some hostility, allegedly bleeding over from another game. + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 06:29 Vivax wrote: And sorry for the language I've been playing too much in Hero Mini Mafia lately. Take out the retarded.
Current game These are words I would use to describe Vivax filter this game: --Lots of one-liners ++Gratuitious quoting ++Self-deprecating: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote:On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?
lol Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. Dude you're a newbie, no one is going to elect you. It's the sad truth and it also applies to me. Look how Toad speaks of my post like of a "nobody's" post. The Toad King of McDonald's Krautburgers only sees us as shit Any candidates you like so far besides yourself? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote: what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? What does everyone think about NachoMan picking me out of everyone else doing the same? Let's see, Toad made a guess, Wade is making guesses, Vivax made guesses. Who might be easier to lynch? Oh it's Vivax, everybody loves lynching Vivax. ++One long list post of some of his reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17886642 ++Intense interest in smurfs (can be translated to lurker rage) --Quoting starts to fall behind at some points ==Transition to analysis of the moment
Question occurs to me looking at Vivax filter: Vivax, what makes you think I am town? Things I found in his filter regarding me from this game:
ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. Related to his town read on me:
On February 27 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: It's obvious milkman is yamato.
Actually not sure if I want to lynch him. His head over heels blind frothing aggressiveness would mean he's likely town. But his points are so stupid and his behaviour so anti-town that I really feel like.
On February 27 2013 02:37 Vivax wrote: Glurio, I think you're mistaking scumminess for uselessness when it comes to Oo. Scum would either lurk or appear tryhard, not appear useless.
Regarding the Prom Flip: + Show Spoiler +Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt.
Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him.
I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. On February 27 2013 00:34 Vivax wrote: The important question is:
We don't vote the lynch targets today, we vote the mayor, and to me it looks like there's lack of selection.
VE looks dead set on me and Prom. Dunno about Prom, but I'm not voting for someone lynching me.
If you vote for me, I'll lynch JJ or aqua. If anyone wants my vote, tell me who you would lynch and I will tell you if you have my support.
On February 27 2013 03:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 27 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote: I'll fuck off anyway, I'm sure your vet circle will solve this game all by itself. Don't even know why I'm still posting, everything gets ignored when it's not to call me scum. There you go, martyr yourself and get angry as soon as anyone disagrees with you. You want to say I'm not scumhunting? I've nailed scumteams in my sleep, honey. After reading post after post of weak accusations, questions that lead to no pressure and some sort of weird confidence that seems to be centered around your awesome post that I just ripped apart, I'm still looking for the pro-town attitude and I can't find it. After wading through a mire of fluff and inconsequential half-confident reads I found that you seem to think JJ is scum. Curious that your enormous post seems to be more concerned with providing a lot of null/town reads on other players, derailing the bandwagon and NOT with putting any pressure on JJ. If you're town and JJ is indeed your scumread, your mission is to ensure he is lynched today. But instead your mission seems to be to get really butthurt that I called you out on a bad post and try to make sure everyone second guesses themselves about Prom. Explain to me why that isn't scummy. You want to tell me that you're not scummy and just really bad instead? Okay, now don't expect anyone to listen to you for the rest of the game if you're giving up on yourself that quickly. Any vet circle that exists is your mind is a figment of your imagination. Wanna talk about scumhunting still? Go through my filter and tell me I've done anything but put the heat on Prom, demanding he respond, pressuring other people to vote with me. All the time I haven't spent trying to lynch scum has been trying to cut the bullshit out of the town discussion and you're next on the list. You seem to be pretty good at ignoring scumhunting to try to make yourself look good, so try it now and convince me you're town. There is no derailing the bandwagon, you genius. There is a mayoral election, and there are candidates. If I wanted to derail the bandwagon I'd be pushing for other candidates and not making clear what my stance on other players is. Maybe Prom is scum, maybe he isn't. In that case you want to know what I think of him in advance, and there you have it, deliberately. Now go even complaining about it that I shared my opinion about him, cause for all I cared I could also have stayed silent. The vet circle isn't an imagination, there's you ignoring my questions and not commenting on the things I wrote in my posts, calling the work of more than 2 hours meaningless while a single praise from VE to me is reason enough to get you down from your massive false-ego throne and bark at him. If Greymist didn't tell us to play nice I'd be cursing at you in 3 different languages for your terrible, bossy anti-town play. You didn't do nearly as much as VE in getting information out of Prome, yet try to pump yourself full of credit for something of which we don't even know the outcome of. There's you calling me scum scum for deliberately giving my analysis and reads on other players in such a huge game while there's probably scum among the lurkers laughing their asses off at your bad play, cause you prefer to shit at people for big, transparent posts than people not posting anything at all. According to Vivax Prom should have been all up in his business from the start given their history if Prom was scum. Because Prom didn't go that route, Vivax was in doubt. I don't see a reason for scum Vivax to need to proffer this explanation. Given he has been on the defensive I can see how he might take heat for not immediately going after Prom but it was very apparent with Prom's goodbye post that we weren't going to see him again with the general sentiment of the thread leaning scum on Prom and multiple candidates running for mayor who stated they would lynch him.
His behavior has me mostly leaning town right this moment.
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On February 28 2013 14:53 Aquanim wrote:Heyoo I'm back. So, these cases. OO's caseShow nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote:Ink well has run dry,
fill it with blood of the scribe. Aquanim believes that the Obvious One is a member of the cultist faction. His reasons are: - writing very much while saying very little
- having the faintest of ideas of who might be a cultist less than one hour into the show
- acting out as if I were a petulant child
To these statements, I say that I am indeed guilty. Guilty. As. Charged. These aren't the reasons I said you were scum. I said you were scum for - not posting anything useful (not for writing a lot because you hadn't done that either)
- giving a scumread with a reason that wasn't a reason at all
- overreacting to my suspicion
So you've twisted what I said a little here. Show nested quote +Let us now, however, turn the tables and see how well the Aquatic One follows his own advice. One case which he has been tunneling on for 48 hours: On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote: My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. When Aquanim is not busy telling everyone that I am definitely scum, he is asking questions. A great many questions. His case on me from two real days ago seems to be able to stand on its own legs despite the vast amount of further spam and pointless drivel I have provided and he has NOT sought to strengthen his case with the newest information up to this point? If he hasn't developed his case on me, where are the other scum reads he has promised? To this I say, we shan't let you get off on coasting with having a single solitary voluntary scum read outside of the two most promising lynch candidates of Day 1. You cannot, as I have done, sit back and simply ask questions and go along with the prevailing theories of town while keeping me as your scum read and not keeping up on developing your case. I'd believe you were town if you had been pushing your own read as evidence developed. You are no better than I. The case will indeed be developed further with my thoughts on your more recent play. Stay tuned. Show nested quote +Or how about the fact that both of us ask lots of questions, though we may choose different people to ask? Observe both of our filters, and see how each of us has many many questions and very little opinion or analysis. Either Aquanim is playing the same relative level of town that I am or he knows I'm town and has used my early read as an opportunistic strike to put me on my back foot. Again, nothing he has said about me is wrong, but his filter is not too much different. I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good. The anvil cracks. The hammer relentlessly comes down. A new pariah is born. Well this is a straight-up OMGUS. Pretty much everything in this case is complaining about my case on you (and perhaps how it applies to me as well). I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere. JJ's caseShow nested quote +On February 28 2013 13:02 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote: What about you aqua with mayor?
Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO? Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress. While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening. I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man. I was happy with a vote for WF or DocH because I thought DocH was town and after talking to him about the Prom case I was very sure WF was town (see: mayoral vote). My priority for mayor was voting for a strong player whom I had a town read on. If I had convinced myself that Prom was town, I'd have tried to convince them of it rather than switching to someone else. Not having a firm opinion on Prom isn't inconsistent with wanting WF or DocH as mayor. Also, I don't see how this is a defence of Prom. I said "I don't know whether this case is good". At that point I didn't. Saying that the case was "mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions" wasn't a statement that the case was bad, merely that without a better understanding of Prom's meta (and thus his trends as town or scum) I couldn't reach a firm conclusion. For the record I never did end up looking at Prom's meta - his failure to try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit was in fact a "specifically scummy action" and was the point that convinced me. I'm one of the easiest possible opportunities in the game outside of Prom to categorize as scum. There's already a call for a vig hit on me so you can hold off on making it tonight and I won't hold it against you. Maybe do some other analysis until then.
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