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On March 01 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Chez I would've hearted you more if you had shot the suckling. I was planning to initially. If it was day 1. He was my actual target. But the milkman is way too quite.
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On March 01 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote: The chaos.....THE CHAOS So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion? there is going to be a flip. In green you could confirm. Milkman... your blood is my only hope.... save me!
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As SK I didn't shoot... As town, I fake shot so many times I can't recall...
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On March 01 2013 12:13 Wade Fell wrote: Chezinu needs to be not-alive. IMO dayvig him or lynch him
I've outlined why, and his behavior today only reinforces how important it is to lynch him, and how obviously he is scum. Wait and see the flip and your mind will be changed. I'm pretty confident I shot the right one. I demodulated a signal that told me so.
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Just know I did this, remember it was me:
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Why didn't you answer me?
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Well... it was me or him... the mafia would have shot me with the excuse of following town orders and no one would have thought anything of it. I would have been instantly killed without being able to shoot back (flash back to motbob).
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On March 01 2013 12:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Resolving Chezinu's alignment:
If you are a town dayvig in this game you MUST shoot Chezinu right now. I am not inclined to believe Chezinu is the scum dayvig because the scumteam would see this logic coming. There is no sense in shooting Milkman, a player scum has no reason to be afraid of. If you instead prefer to claim tonight, we will lynch you and set town night KP on Chezinu. It is a 1:1 trade.
If there is no claim or shot, we can assume Chezinu is in fact the town dayvig so leaping onto him now is beside the point. There is a chance to actually confirm his alignment or get a 50/50 chance with it so I would like to move forward with my points on Toadesstern. Hold your horses BH, this is an easy resolution.
This is a semi-open setup but scum would never take the chance of using the dayvig power this early when there is a chance of a counterclaim. I refuse to believe scum would be that reckless after losing Day 1. mafia won't shoot me now. They will just get me lynched.
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On March 01 2013 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Chezinu, explain right now why you felt you should shoot the Milkman of any player. There was nothing really scummy about him.
I will wait for a counterclaim to make any further decision regarding Chezinu's alignment because we have a rare chance at actually getting an objective confirmation in this game. Any discussion prior to that will be unproductive I think. You and wade ordered the day vig to shoot me. The majority of town voted for you two. I had flashback of getting shot by motbob day one. I shot milkman because thats who I was currently hunting and he never responded to me.
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On March 01 2013 12:44 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:43 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Chezinu, explain right now why you felt you should shoot the Milkman of any player. There was nothing really scummy about him.
I will wait for a counterclaim to make any further decision regarding Chezinu's alignment because we have a rare chance at actually getting an objective confirmation in this game. Any discussion prior to that will be unproductive I think. You and wade ordered the day vig to shoot me. The majority of town voted for you two. I had flashback of getting shot by motbob day one. I shot milkman because thats who I was currently hunting and he never responded to me. You were accusing him of being the bartender i awnt to know why.... To get his reaction. Thats how I read people . I cause chaos and watch people's behavior. In strange circumstances, people are more likely to slip up.
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On March 01 2013 12:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: So wait...
DrH, if Chez flips town, would you be looking at grush to be scum dayvig?
It's something like this that would make it easy for grush to gain towncred cuz he can claim "I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM DRH" That's was my point. And why I shot before being shot at. Its like Here mafia day vig shoot chez without any repercussions!
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On March 01 2013 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 12:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 01 2013 12:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote: ##Shoot: Chezinu ##Vote: Toadesstern These 2 are scum... I hate my brain. + Show Spoiler +Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM If Chezinu gets shot by a second dayvig and isn't scum then we have confirmed the other dayvig as scum. If Chezinu is the town dayvig, the mafia dayvig will never claim and can never use his KP and he'll be confirmed town in my eyes. Too big a risk to take as scum, since if he were the scum dayvig he would have the foresight to see that the town dayvig would just shoot him. Does that make sense? If he is the town dayvig he can do this to confirm his role and force the mafia dayvig into not using his shot because it would reveal scum. Are we never going to talk about toadesstern today Why are you necessarily making the assumption that there is 1 town dayvig and 1 scum dayvig? Why couldn't there be 2 town dayvig? Quite possible. But because scum has no prior knowledge of the setup I don't think they would use this shot in response to early Day 2 pressure because fear of counterclaim. If there is no other claim, I'm inclined to let Chezinu live for now but for balance reasons I think scum having 1 dayvig and town having none is incredibly unlikely. It is probably either 2 in favor of town or 1:1. Either way it would be a more productive way of dealing with Chezinu right now. I'm not sure I can be accused of defending him when I'm asking for him to be shot. Ok...I think I'm following. I'm not disagreeing with ridding of Chez. What I'm disagreeing with is the thought process that if Chez flips green, that automatically makes grush red. It makes him look worse, sure. But it is just as likely that grush could be green and trying to jump on the opportunity to rid of Chez thinking he's scum. Hypothetical: Wouldn't a scum dayvig know that Chez is green, and shooting him would reveal that? This makes it seem, in my mind at least, that grush is town just knowing that he wouldn't out himself as a vig if he were scum. ...I think my train of thought it followable
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On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote: Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling
Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote
So i am not sure what you are trying to prove. With the milkman gone.... Got milk?
Also, sorry for crying over the split milk...
actually... the jokes aren't helping how I feel...
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I'm back!
and I wasn't shot. Looks like mafia is trying to get me lynched now. But you guys better watch out! You guys don't even know how many bullets I have nor how many times I can shoot in one day... Don't you love semi-open setups?
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On March 02 2013 04:19 geript wrote: Chez that is not a defense. Yeah, I don't defend or make cases.
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I think it would be time consuming to point out the flaws in people accusations at this point such as activity level =/= alignment. That just states how busy someone is, people just think I'm scum because my activity is similar to my last game which I was mafia. If you want a fair assessment you wouldn't just look at my recent games. If you know me, the majority of the games I am mafia - I was extremely acitve in thread - similar to that of town. Activity isn't an indicator.
I'm not going to bother with that. I've been saying that for far to long and people only listen to me post game. I'm just going to make my list and you can accept it or not. I have no grounds to ask for mercy at this point.
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