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On February 17 2013 10:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 17 2013 10:22 Vivax wrote: Hey hopeless, can you explain to me how my sudden absence makes me scum? I'm really curious. Oh it doesnt. The part where you have no apparent reasons for calling Zess scum are what got me. I never mentioned reasons for Zess being scum? You never mentioned anything further. You took for granted that Zess is scum and used that to make a case on me. Why split your attention?
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On February 17 2013 10:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 17 2013 10:26 Vivax wrote:On February 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 17 2013 10:22 Vivax wrote: Hey hopeless, can you explain to me how my sudden absence makes me scum? I'm really curious. Oh it doesnt. The part where you have no apparent reasons for calling Zess scum are what got me. I never mentioned reasons for Zess being scum? You never mentioned anything further. You took for granted that Zess is scum and used that to make a case on me. Why split your attention? Wtf is this question, there are three scum left. And you are trying to get me lynched before the guy I'm supposedly bussing. Shouldn't you prove Zess is scum before you move on to finding his team?
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On February 17 2013 10:34 Vivax wrote: Don't reduce my case to your connection with Zess, hopeless. Assume Zess is town. Your case falls apart. Assume Zess is scum. Your case has merit (still false, but not broken) I'll reduce it to the simplest terms possible as necessary.
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On February 17 2013 11:18 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:16 Vivax wrote:On February 17 2013 09:41 layabout wrote: vivax you are calling hopeless1der scum based on the assumption that zessionar is scum.
but both of them look pretty town.
hopeless's first vote occurred when i was there was very little pressure on yamato, and he easily has justified moving to and stayingon zessionar. It makes little sense for him to be mafia. What makes you think Zess is town, and how is the justification of his Zess vote genuine when it was in response to marv's suspicion? I need to proof read more, that sentence reads quite badly. What i meant was that hopeless1der's initial vote on yamato makes little sense as mafia, there was no real pressure on yamato + Show Spoiler +(since my posts in general haven't carried much weight and the other votes where unexplained or joke votes by players without thread presence) plus after his vote there were enough votes on yamato to force people to pay attention to yamato, which is not what the mafia should want. Later he could very easily have justified staying on zessionar over yamato since that was more consistent with his previous posts, in which he had attacked zessionar repeatedly. + Show Spoiler +Hope that's clearer and answers your question Hopeless1eder does need to explain why he went for yamato over zess though.As to why zess is town i'm not sure if i can fully explain but he has been active, agressive and he has produced content. Reading through his filter it seems like if he is mafia then he has a very strange mindset. (plus syllo said so.) Aside from being a complete asshole with out of game consequences, Zess has provided more content, and sadly being an asshole in general made me shift my read back towards null on him. Finding out he's willing to spew meaningless banter if Toad is involved helped in that endeavor as well.
I may not have articulated my thoughts about Yamato with my initial vote, but your case was spot on, especially where he takes the exact same evidence and finds a new conclusion. At the end of the day I considered that, and what marv had been doing trying to get Vivax lynched. I expect more activity out of the both of them, but Vivax felt worse, and I was thinking pretty much exactly what marv said in his case on vivax in that he wasnt pushing his reads.
By the end of things, Vivax wasn't getting any votes and I didn't want to lynch Zess over Yamato especially with deadline fast approaching and the lynch not being set yet. I'd much rather have SS around longer than Yamato so I voted accordingly.
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On February 17 2013 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On February 17 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think they would in general, but especially when they're already under the magnifying glass as hopeless had been with Marv's case. It's pretty bold. just to note, my case came after Hopeless did that Fair enough. That weakens my town read on him slightly. Still think he's town though. Glad to hear this. I'll also point out I clearly knew marv was going to be looking into me.
On February 15 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote:to your question about the strongest townplayers. I have very little grasp of any of super/syllo/toad's alignments. At all. Perhaps I lean a bit town on syllo because he was attentive in picking up things, and yet he's not pushed much. On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote: and who is the scummiest player among these:
HiroPro Hopeless1der Artanis[Xp] yamato77 grush57 layabout Hopeless. Will explain later/tomorrow. I look forward to it.
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 10:11 layabout wrote:because you know, yamato was pretty vague in his accusations: He also jumps from "Zess being stupid with that vote" to "I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: I've never seen syllo and sandro in the game at the same time, yet I'm supposed to know they're all buddy buddy all the time?
Zess being stupid with that vote. Why are you trying to accuse me over questioning syllo's intentions? + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 01:45 syllogism wrote:On February 15 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote:On February 15 2013 01:33 risk.nuke wrote:On February 15 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote:On February 15 2013 01:23 risk.nuke wrote: I don't think Zess likes me. Not actually sure if he's mafia or idiot. Why don't you think Zess likes you, and why is his opinion of you alignment indicative at all? Read his posts and tell me if you reach a different conclusion otherwise I can't really be bothered to copying his posts and interpreting them for you.. It's not. However making up reasoning is. Well I guess it makes sense since he jumped on me for the same kind of shit. Do I see a trend appear? Who's next on his list, Marv? This post seems off; do you think marv and risk are town? What is your current read on Zess? Marv I would say looks quite town, yes. I don't know about risk, but the fact that he's looking at Zess is encouraging. I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. Suddenly zess being "stupid" has become zess is "bad" and "is mafia" because of this. The criticism is the same in both cases but the conclusion changes. When asked to clarify why zess is scum he describes his scumhunting as "careless" which tend to be a townie trait. And that he shows a "disregard for justification" which he himself has also shown. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: I'm attacking how he is scum hunting, which is carelessly and with no regard for justification. I think yamato felt that he could safely put his vote on zessionar following (Artanis[Xp] and Hopeless1der) because he had been the center of discussion. He was not prepared to back it up because he has no good reasons and because he is mafia and wants to get his vote down and hide from attention. I accept. ##Unvote: Zessionar ##Vote: Yamato77
On February 17 2013 22:50 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 17 2013 22:18 ObviousOne wrote: Is there anything about Coag at this point that you want my opinion on? I've listed him in my current scum team along with grush, the one player we seem to agree on at this point. Is there enough here to get a meta read on him? Not that I'm suggesting I go with a meta read alone as a case on Coag. Simply asking it its worth the effort in his case. I'd like your opinion on Coag, Mattchew, Risk.nuke and Layabout. I also don't think Grush is scum after looking into his meta. Not sure why Coag is calling Marv town and buddying him. I don't feel like much of Coag's participation is insightful or useful up to this point. Who's Mattchew? risk.nuke doing a lot of attacking Zess on Yamato's behalf. Could be the emotional context of the Zess situation and the distinct lack of Yamato presence combined. I matched up on the Zess read with him D1 so I don't really hold it against him. I'd be concerned if he continues to push Zess today. Layabout seems to have the same idea as me regarding Hopeless. I give him some town cred for trying to get us shitposters to stop posting so shitty. Shit, he doesn't like Grush either. I like Layabout.
ObviousOne, layabout disagrees with you about my alignment:
On February 17 2013 11:18 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:16 Vivax wrote:On February 17 2013 09:41 layabout wrote: vivax you are calling hopeless1der scum based on the assumption that zessionar is scum.
but both of them look pretty town.
hopeless's first vote occurred when i was there was very little pressure on yamato, and he easily has justified moving to and stayingon zessionar. It makes little sense for him to be mafia. What makes you think Zess is town, and how is the justification of his Zess vote genuine when it was in response to marv's suspicion? I need to proof read more, that sentence reads quite badly. What i meant was that hopeless1der's initial vote on yamato makes little sense as mafia, there was no real pressure on yamato + Show Spoiler +(since my posts in general haven't carried much weight and the other votes where unexplained or joke votes by players without thread presence) plus after his vote there were enough votes on yamato to force people to pay attention to yamato, which is not what the mafia should want. Later he could very easily have justified staying on zessionar over yamato since that was more consistent with his previous posts, in which he had attacked zessionar repeatedly. + Show Spoiler +Hope that's clearer and answers your question Hopeless1eder does need to explain why he went for yamato over zess though. As to why zess is town i'm not sure if i can fully explain but he has been active, agressive and he has produced content. Reading through his filter it seems like if he is mafia then he has a very strange mindset. (plus syllo said so.) What are you basing your assessment on?
@ the recent grush vs Toad That looks like a townie spat to me. Toad knew exactly what he was talking about, grush has mad confirmation bias.
On February 17 2013 19:06 syllogism wrote: I think we should eliminate one of the non-contributors today. I'm finding it almost impossible to form at mafia team that doesn't include at least one such a player and even if we miss, it's not a disaster. If you feel that the description applies to you, now is the time to start investing time in the game because the clock is ticking. I'd expect you to have a shortlist of people falling into this category. Care to share?
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On February 17 2013 23:54 layabout wrote: obviousone my read on Hopeless1der changed because of yamato's flip some of the stuff i said earlier still stands.
and you need to get votes off of yamato voters, there is almost certainly mafia that didn't end up on him That list is only 4 people right? Vivax Obvious grush and Coag. The only one I like in there is Vivax.
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Can we use your gun as a double lynch, Syllo?
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On February 18 2013 03:15 sandroba wrote: @hopeless you commented on the gun usage, but no comments on risk.nuke? I'm fine with shooting Risk. I was curious if syllo would let us direct his shot, but as he's taking suggestions from you, its almost the same thing.
On February 16 2013 07:34 risk.nuke wrote: Can't for the life of me understand what yamato have done to warrant being lynched over Zess. Seriously what are you doing! Zess who straight out changed his mind about his reasoning when questioned. That fucking translates to he made up his reasoning.
Can somebody tell me why a townie would do that?
Remember layabout's case on Yamato? Yamato's reasoning changed as well, but risk can't understand for his life why. Looks like he doesn't need that life after all.
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- Jumping on Yamato was because of layabout's case and I'll keep tooting that horn. - I don't think my switch to Zess was all that random. My unvote is based on the fact that marv and syllo had looked at Zess and said nope would not lynch. I see grush and Obvious getting onto that wagon and that left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I've also commented on it here:+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2013 23:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 11:18 layabout wrote:On February 17 2013 10:16 Vivax wrote:On February 17 2013 09:41 layabout wrote: vivax you are calling hopeless1der scum based on the assumption that zessionar is scum.
but both of them look pretty town.
hopeless's first vote occurred when i was there was very little pressure on yamato, and he easily has justified moving to and stayingon zessionar. It makes little sense for him to be mafia. What makes you think Zess is town, and how is the justification of his Zess vote genuine when it was in response to marv's suspicion? I need to proof read more, that sentence reads quite badly. What i meant was that hopeless1der's initial vote on yamato makes little sense as mafia, there was no real pressure on yamato + Show Spoiler +(since my posts in general haven't carried much weight and the other votes where unexplained or joke votes by players without thread presence) plus after his vote there were enough votes on yamato to force people to pay attention to yamato, which is not what the mafia should want. Later he could very easily have justified staying on zessionar over yamato since that was more consistent with his previous posts, in which he had attacked zessionar repeatedly. + Show Spoiler +Hope that's clearer and answers your question Hopeless1eder does need to explain why he went for yamato over zess though.As to why zess is town i'm not sure if i can fully explain but he has been active, agressive and he has produced content. Reading through his filter it seems like if he is mafia then he has a very strange mindset. (plus syllo said so.) Aside from being a complete asshole with out of game consequences, Zess has provided more content, and sadly being an asshole in general made me shift my read back towards null on him. Finding out he's willing to spew meaningless banter if Toad is involved helped in that endeavor as well. I may not have articulated my thoughts about Yamato with my initial vote, but your case was spot on, especially where he takes the exact same evidence and finds a new conclusion. At the end of the day I considered that, and what marv had been doing trying to get Vivax lynched. I expect more activity out of the both of them, but Vivax felt worse, and I was thinking pretty much exactly what marv said in his case on vivax in that he wasnt pushing his reads. By the end of things, Vivax wasn't getting any votes and I didn't want to lynch Zess over Yamato especially with deadline fast approaching and the lynch not being set yet. I'd much rather have SS around longer than Yamato so I voted accordingly.
- My original reasons for voting Yamato never went away, I was being facetious at Vivax.
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On February 18 2013 04:55 sandroba wrote: CHO CHO Where is the train going now?
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sandroba, do you think one of me and vivax are likely scum? (probably me at this point?)
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On February 19 2013 08:09 Acrofales wrote:Oh, this ended superfast and abruptly. Gratz town! Marv looked terrible, but I found that his calm and collected reasoning out of the lynch made him look a lot better (I also had him slightly green due to his response to the claimed shot at night, but it didn't make up for betting on the wrong horse consistently). Marv: I'm glad you've learned how to deal with suspicion I didn't have Toad down as scum. I had Vivax a fairly deep red in my book. Why, exactly, did the dayvig bus happen? Yamato was not completely obvious to me, but I agreed with the case and he would've been my second scumread after Vivax D1. Risk didn't do enough to look townie: his town meta is far more in-your-face with pressure and reads. This is the umpteenth time he has been caught as scum for not doing anything useful. Also, I presume scumteam was randomized? Seems slightly unfair from a qualitative player pov to have Vivax and Yamato, with Sandro and Syllo (and normally Marv) on town side. Last bit made me giggle
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