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On January 26 2013 10:53 FiveTouch wrote: no, I was not. Well he said he would contact you. Let me know in the next few hours if he does or doesnt Probably scum :/ What a bummer | ||
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Were you contacted by the mason? | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:06 FiveTouch wrote: Indeed I was. A bit of a turnup for the books. What is your opinion from your conversations? Would it be a good idea for you to publish them? Who is your bomb on currently? I was thinking of publishing my thoughts. I have all of them written out except for the ones right before the masonry was up. My thoughts were that some things don't add up about his play from a town perspective. If you want to publish them and reveal who he is I will. I'll leave it up to you | ||
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The reason why I am outing him as mason are four things: 1) His play is highly suspicious if he was town 2) If he was town, he obviously won't have time for the game, based on the pms and stuff stated in thread. 3) He is a center of the lynch debate for tomorrow behind BKE. I'm hoping this will help our decision 4) I'm probably gonna die tonight Ok here we go: 1) I didn't know I was masoned with him until 24 hours after I was masoned due to BC being afk. Yet, Chezinu never sent me a pm to talk. That's very strange. 2) Chezinu wrote out how he had a plan involving masons for the mayor. Here is the plan he gave me through pm. You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Note that Chezinu didn't follow through with this plan d1, ALTHOUGH HE IS A MASON. He could have saved me and Oats being outted as bodyguards in thread for the mafia. Why would he, as town, have this plan, yet not help orchestrate it when he is indeed a mason? 3) He masoned me, yet he didn't trust me to give me the names of the two masons. So, he must think I have a decent chance at being scum, yet he still masoned me? Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this. That's odd reasoning. I understand me and Chez are cool with each other, and I appreciate the gesture, but that's not a winning way to play mafia as town. Why would you want to talk to a scum unless you were fishing for his teammates (which Chez has not asked me anything, I have been the one asking questions) 4) He masoned me over the mayor. This is the reasoning he gave Who will the mayor talk to the next day? That was the plan. Now it seems I'm getting lynched. Masons can't message the same person twice. That is a valid point. Still, why wouldn't he talk to toad instead? or someone who he actually considers town? Also, from that point on, Chezinu stated that he wouldn't be able to get on if his internet was out. If the internet worked, he would pm me back 3 1/2 hours after. No pms came after. 5) Chezinu didn't reveal he was mason to one of the masons whom he found townie + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2754 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 09:46 For day 1, the mayor wasn't even elected yet. As for the masons getting bodyguard names, the two masons who talked to me were going to talk to 5touch, which they did. I was extremely confident one of them was townie . That mason can't talk to 5touch again for the rest of the game. If all masons talked to 5touch after getting elected, it would be a waste. Do other masons know I'm mason? nope I wasn't the only one who withheld information either. Can't explain unless I decide to reveal masons, which I haven't decided if I will yet. I will release them probably tomorrow. I plan to mason 5touch tomorrow, which is in about 15 minutes - geez night goes by quick. Original Message From debears: Who did you mason day 1? Why didnt you mason the mayor day 1? Your plan involves town masons getting the bodyguard names, yet you didn't want to be that mason for the plan? Also, do the other masons know you are mason? Would you care if I released you are mason to the thread and the pms? Show nested quote + Here are the rest of the pms besides the last ones (of no importance) + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: yoyoyoyo Date: 1/25/13 14:51 Cool! So BC delivered my message? Original Message From debears: i just got a pm from BC saying we're masoned since 24 hours ago lol. Wassup! From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mommy dearest Date: 1/25/13 14:58 Mommy dearest is threatening the brown brotherhood since day 1. He has been spreading lies about the brown. One can read the thread to find the truth. The thing mommy dearest is hoping no one would do. Which is true, cause I don't have that much time to do it. What do you think about mommy dearest? From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Matters of the Brown Brotherhood Date: 1/26/13 02:45 You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Original Message From ******: I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring. WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read. Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin. Show nested quote + " I like to keep my previous masons anonymous. Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this. Based on your list, BKE and grush look the best. grush on the otherhand I'm debating could be blue. I have this red blue colorblindness. All these masons this game isn't helping me. It Chezinu's biggest weakness and these last two games are really pointing this out. Of course, I thought oats was mafia. But they laugh and I felt sad. *Silly Songs with Larry starts playing* Original Message From debears: Brother, I would also like to request a few more things from you: Who did thou mason day 1? What was this plan you stated day 1 with the masons? If you are comfortable sharing with me, who were your the other 2 masons that talked to you day 1? Who are your other scum listed? I would think it's between BKE, Annul, You, Grush, and Mkfuba for the last 3 From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ok I gtg! Date: 1/26/13 02:47 I told myself to resist looking at this game, I have school work to do. I just saw those pretty PMs. I will try to come back before the deadline. The wireless network in my department building isn't working. If it happens to work, I will be able to check thread in about 3 and a half hours. From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 02:48 Its night time! I already missed the previous deadline (thus my vote suck on oats). | ||
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I couldn't figure out who the mason whom he was talking about was after asking multiple times. Chez is a tough cookie <3 you chez although you're probably mafia | ||
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On January 28 2013 00:29 FiveTouch wrote: What a terrible check. I am considering policy lynching you tomorrow, depending on the results of today's lynches. There's only so much blatantly playing against town wincon you can do before you have to be mafia. I'm down | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:11 annul wrote: wait so i am confused vivax checked mocsta? that is his red check? i am going to sleep VERY soon so like is this the vote? BKE and moc? Vivax checked Bugs. Fantastic That's like him checking me or oats | ||
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On January 28 2013 02:31 FiveTouch wrote: I don't understand this attitude if you are town, so for now I am going to assume you are mafia. Well then games likely over!!! Yay!!! | ||
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<3 you chez It seems we cannot fool each other as Brothers of the Brown | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:19 yamato77 wrote: With both possible mafia masons dead I suppose it's safe to claim myself as mason at this point in time. FT and Toad can confirm. Go away Vivax. I knew it! | ||
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Setup spec time: How many blues are normally in a game of this size? 4-6? Blue Count: Toad, Grush, Yamato, Mocsta - Mason Dearest, Vivax - Detective BKE, Annul - Mad Hatter Mafia count: Jack mason - Gonzaw Gf mason- Chez Goon - prplhz 8 blues/power roles. I don't think we have this many blue roles this game. I don't like Annul's or Vivax's play from a town perspective Annul mad hatted someone who will almost certainly get lynched (Chez) - stating he is in fear of getting nked despite no contributions this game Vivax checks Bugs - epic dumb check. Yet he for some reason would check Gonzaw n1, who would happen to be mafia and a correct check? Yamato did you ever tell chez about grush masoning you before you revealed it in thread? | ||
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Why would you say that BKE's bomb didn't go off after being lynched? | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote: debears, like I already stated, you don't really count masons as full blues like you would in for example C9++ setups, because of the existence of mafia masons. Plus 20-5 is the usual balance, so with 17-5 town probably would have been given more blues. I kinda expect there to be at least another miller, too. Effectivel 17-5 vs 20-5 is one less mislynch mafia need, which is quite huge. I guess so What's your read on annul right now, considering his "bomb" on Chez and his play this game? | ||
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Not sure if pure association is enough to overrule that read | ||
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We don't have reasons for findding stuts or fubs town, yet there are indicators that austin is town | ||
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Gonz was jack mason I would think mafia woild try to get him into office with his role Chez was godfather, meaning they most likely didn't want him in office (dt immunity) Prp was a goon, meaning they didn't expect him to last long | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:30 yamato77 wrote: You're not helping yourself with this delurking business. So if he lurks, he's scum. If he delurks he's scum. Rethink your arguments yamato | ||
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