We have a bunch of "good" options available, not too much but a few
-> Out of those options available it shouldn't be too much of a problem to pick one guy who's looking good
-> Therefore we don't have to opt for someone like Vivax imo.
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On January 20 2013 13:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 13:29 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 13:16 yamato77 wrote: On January 20 2013 13:12 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: Toad, what's more important to you, a mayor we can easily read as town or a mayor who has good enough reads to lynch scum day 1? getting someone elected who is clearly town should be the priority without a question. I think there are many players that we could elect that would be very easy to read as town. Why are you sold on Sandroba? Isn't the main upside of electing him the fact that he has amazing reads as town and breaks the game? Is he especially easy to read day 1? Yeah defnitly. It shouldn't be a problem the get a proper read on one of the guys I listed earlier though and those are people I at least know to be somewhat decent whereas I don't have that kind of confirmation on the grand majority of this game. I mean if worse comes to worst I'll be voting someone like vivax no problem but I don't think we have to to ensure a townie being elected. Could you expand upon the bolded? We have a bunch of "good" options available, not too much but a few -> Out of those options available it shouldn't be too much of a problem to pick one guy who's looking good -> Therefore we don't have to opt for someone like Vivax imo. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:34 grush57 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 13:33 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 13:30 grush57 wrote: Toadesstern what do you think of grush mayor? I think grush should under no circumstance get ANYWHERE close to a position of power. I'd rather vote WBG to be mayor than you. Luckily he's not in the game. I mean you're the guy who says stuff like "optimal play for town is to lynch grush around d3 no matter what", aren't you? And that as town, makeing me believe you actually think so. Why would I want something like that as a mayor. when did I ever say lynch me by d3? I don't know, pretty sure you said it in some game I played it with you though. Anyways going to bed now, cya. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote: @Clarity He doesn't think we have to vote someone like Vivax (someone he believes is easy to read) in order to ensure a townie being elected. I suppose I'll come out and give my plan for the day. I don't give a flying fuck right now who gets mayor. What I do care about is lynching scum, and to do that town needs to make a consolidated effort to scumhunt day 1 instead of this townhunting idea that Toad wants to put forth. I say we elect mayor based on whether they are scumhunting effectively. If people want to be mayor, they need to scumhunt, pick their day 1 lynch target, and let town decide based on the quality of the read. If there are multiple mayoral candidates who are picking the same target(s), then we can consider things like how easy it is to read that candidate, and how town they are, but I see no reason to waste all of day 1 figuring out who the most amount of people think is town when the name of the game is lynching scum, and the mayor has the sole power to do so today. To be elected mayor, a player needs good scum reads, not just the ability to look town for a cycle. can't sleep Anyways you know me and you know that that isn't what I said at all, neither was it what it was intended to look like... You played with me two games and you know that I'm the guy who HATES talking about townreads the most out of all the people on TL. From LVIII: On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote: Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time? I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that. There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. Pretty sure I said something like that in YANMM as well, stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on townreads and you've been in both Yamato, so you should know that. What I said was: It should be easy to pick someone who's townish among the vets. I never said we should be talking about townreads or not scumhunt at all. Not once. Frankly speaking given the posts I did (I admit it's from the 2 other games...) you should have come to the conclusion that it's the exact opposite I'm telling people given the fact that you've been in both of them because I was openly stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on weak ass townreads they give. Did you completly forget who I am or are you trrying to misinterpret everything I stand for on TL-mafia on purpose? | ||
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On January 20 2013 14:13 gonzaw wrote: Toad, I got a question for you: What made you go from this: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 10:55 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:50 prplhz wrote: On January 20 2013 10:26 Toadesstern wrote: I'm playing dota right now so I'll keep it short: not going to vote for you Who are these people that you might consider voting for? It seems like you have a list of people you might consider voting for and this Vivax isn't on that list. Can I have the list? well basicly everyone who's considered a vet is an option for me right now, that means I want the towniest out of: Toad, gonzaw, Annul, prplhz, Sandroba, Chezinu (technically speaking that is), maybe BKE and austin idk. I'm not geting voted into office due to paranoia (and hypno-toadish-ness) so that's sadly not an option. If Sandro is town we need to figure that out as quickly as possible and make him mayor though. ..to this?: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 12:54 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 12:47 annul wrote: hello peeps i have a laser tag tournament tonight (in 78 minutes, so i gotta leave for it soon) but i want to announce my awesome plan. i call it the "make annul, a fucking incredible all-star, ultimate commander of killing scum" plan. or, for short, the MAFIA SUCKS plan. basically, you elect me mayor, and i kill scum for you. do it for PATRIOTISM. also, because i have run for mayor every single time for like the past 10 games and have never won the election =( looks like we have to vote someone into office who's usually not a decent candidate at all if Sandroba is not running... You not getting elected 10 times in a row isn't exactly something nice, is it? :p Prplhz seems to be running on bullshit Gonzaw is someone who noone with a functioning brain should want in a position of power Same probably goes for me and Chezinu... Gawd I was so hoping for Sandroba and now I'm stuck with these people... we really needed more vets in this game, this is troublesome You did show intent on voting any of those guys initially, as long as they were the "towniest" out of that group, but then out of nowhere you discard most of those "vets", even when not much happened in between. Also what's this about "nobody with a functioning brain should want (gonzaw) in a position of power"? Care to expand on that? Other than not being "very sure" in some games, when I'm town I can catch scum fairly easy (relatively speaking), specially on D1. Aperture Mafia II should attest to that. You had a selfclaimed mafia in your last game we played together, who even claimed every single night action he did for confirmation which made sense with all the blue actions being claimed, ahead of time. because the game was already won and you didn't correctly read him as mafia. That kind of sticks in my head to be honest. I can catch mafia as town fairly easy as well if I'm having a good game. If I'm not I'm a total disaster, I'd say the same goes for you because you are the most stubborn guy I know. About the change: Well it's like I said, Sandro would be the only one I consider to have both important treats for a mayor combined. Noone else has those in this game so it's like this: Sandro >>>>>>Annul/gonzaw/prplhz/chez/Toad >>>>>>>>> everyone else | ||
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On January 20 2013 15:17 gonzaw wrote: You are still hung up because of Every man? (I take it you don't want me mayor because I made you lose >_> ) You do realize it's a completely different kind of game than "standard" mafia right? The anti-town factions in that game weren't trying to hide like they do in normal games. I'm good at catching the anti-town guys trying to hide Toad, what do you make of sandro not running for mayor? He didn't post anything other than that too, although I think he made another one-liner. For the life of me I can't figure out a "plan" town sandro can come up with that doesn't deal with him being mayor, so he's either bullshitting or severely sub-optimally playing (from his POV if he's town). Anyways it's getting late so Imma play some fifa and go to sleep oh it's fine. I've got the Drama queen award 2012 for a reason. I like to exaggerate, especially d1 to get things going. So you should be taking most things I say early on with a graint of salt. You're fine, you're just not the optimal solution. The optimal solution would be having Sandroba, Rad and Syllo all playing and being able to just pick one out of those 3 guys. That's obviously not going to happen because 2 of those guys aren't playing and the 3rd guy might end up being mafia if we're unlucky. About him not running: It's strange but it's not a tell imo. I don't think he'd get in here and tell people he's not running as mafia either, do you? He's not good as mafia but he's not that bad to think people will ignore it so it has to be something he'd do no matter of alignment because he's sick of how games are usually going for him. And I actually know that (being sick of how games are going for him) for a fact so I'm fine with him right now. Need him to post more though. | ||
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On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? what do you make of this one: On January 20 2013 11:02 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + EDWOP. yeah you can probably ignore that, i had not read the meta. So if your not a VET, and vets are too valuable to let get lynched D1 but they will obviously get nkd pretty fast... how come we are making you mayor again? if you are in your view in the vet league what is your current view on list posts such as this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15025535 personally i find them decidedly anti town, and thus only unscummy(nullish) if I hold the belief the poster didnt know any better. do you hold a rigid policy view on their efficacy. What would you in this game make of player posting this: "Okay, I've been doing a stance analysis on the grush case and here's my promised post:" That says nothing alignment indicative about this game obviously, but it may say something about responsibility and that other thing that goes right along with it. I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons... ? | ||
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On January 20 2013 15:32 gonzaw wrote: Well yeah it may be too early to tell, but I can't figure out that "has to be something he'd do no matter of alignment" he might be doing. I figured out he might be a specific blue role (or scum counterpart) and is planning something regarding that, but I'm not too sure about that, and even if he was that role I don't know how it'd benefit him not running for mayor either way On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote: I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/ I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing. Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. The first one reads like ignore and keep on reading his posts to figure out which one it is to me, which is exactly what I'm saying. The second one is weird. I'd usually say it's a semi scumslip due to the wording but he's not a native speaker so I usually ignore it and on top of that I hadn't a lot of luck with those finds lately :p "I needed to find all my own reasons" sounds really troublesome. But it's a good thing you're not going total jackshit on him I guess. | ||
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On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote: JieXian did you read my filter? What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:47 austinmcc wrote: Toad, if you're still around. Rough guess as to what % of players in this game you/other vets have played with before? If it's low, does that affect your pool of mayor candidates at all? there's a lot of people I haven't played with before and a lot of the vets in this game are ones which haven't played in a while so I'd say it's even worse for them. No it doesn't affect the pool. And the "pool" isn't fixed. It's a "pool" of people I'd prefer if possible, nothing else. | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote: On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote: JieXian did you read my filter? What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 04:39 DearestSnot wrote: Hi. Is there anyone currently running on the platform of lynching prplhz? As far as I could tell, the answer to that is no. Since it seems no one is interested in that, let me propose that we vote someone into mayor who will lynch prplhz today. I'm willing to be that person if need be. Sandroba actually is, except for the fact that he's not running. | ||
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On January 20 2013 12:57 annul wrote: funny, yet useless postfuck you toad; you would rather vote someone who does not even want the candidacy instead of me? =( On January 20 2013 22:51 annul wrote: not funny, but still useless post considering it's you.Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote: Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. {...} Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be! blatant OMGUS? FOS vivax Other than that there's only your first post of the game to go by. So far gonzaw is the only one of the people running who is willing to post a decent amount, which doesn't meant crap because he's very much like I am when playing mafia... Though what he's posting isn't necessarily bad. | ||
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So ##vote Gonzaw Still would like to hear more from other people like Sandro, prplhz and annul. | ||
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On January 21 2013 05:50 Toadesstern wrote: I'm on gonzaw for now. I like his most recent post for several things. Mostly talking about stuff I picked up as well, mostly stuff I agree on, mostly stuff I'm not sure mafia-gonzaw would pay enough attention to, to come to the same conclusion as I as well did. So ##vote Gonzaw Still would like to hear more from other people like Sandro, prplhz and annul. gawd gonzaw in a posting frenzy. I was referring to this post: + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: @Vivax: You being AFK after your candidacy post was weird because I'd think a townie would post his candidacy and hang around for a while to respond to questions. You going afk seemed too sudden as well. If you say you were sleeping, then I guess that's null and there's nothing we can do about it, since it's most likely true regardless of your alignment. I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative. Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something. Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass. I do have to say that I agree with austin that JieXian's 1st post wasn't as "scummy" as many people (you+sandro) pointed out, it's null at worst. I think the 1st posts from many other people would be "far" more scummy (in relation, not objectively at least), like our guy Stutters' up there, and maybe other's like FiveTouch, or maybe even debears. Why did you give Jiexian so much flak Vivax? Why did you instantly want to lynch him instead of other's (based on their 1st post as well)? Speaking of those, 5's first post is somewhat suspicious: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 21:36 FiveTouch wrote: On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts... He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly? This is an extremely odd defence of JieXian. Why are you making it? ##Vote: austinmcc First statement in the whole game and it's just to cast doubt on someone random from the thread. Of course not mentioning the unfounded vote on austin...which to be honest is more of a null tell than scum tell since I can't really see much benefit to do so as scum, other than the usual "create chaos/wifom" strategy. He doesn't come in to post his thoughts on any current discussion, nor to be part of any discussion/etc. That's what townies usually do, to try to establish a nice town atmosphere, get info, and establish their innocence. Reminds me of JingleHell's first posts in Aperture Mafia 2 (where he was scum and i called him out for basically the same thing). There's not much about debears other than a "derp" start, so let's just wait and see what he does when he comes back. and not the one above my original. In fact I haven't even read that one yet :3 | ||
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On January 21 2013 05:53 gonzaw wrote: Well...it seems i have the habit of posting here when nobody else is around to respond back (or post about other things) so I like quadriple post lol .....maybe I'm doing that intentionally as scum! :O :O >_> has something to do with the fact that I try to consolidate my posts because I've been told I'm a mess when posting while you don't give a crap about that and just keep on going full LI on us with 10515816ß16apm while we're (I'm assuming there's more than just me here) still reading. Chill down a bit, take your time and check back in in 30 minutes or something like that. As much as I want to read more from people I don't want you to to post more than you're already doing. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:15 DearestSnot wrote: Lol I just failsmurfed. I'm wbg where did you failsmurf? Am I missing something? oO Also yeah, gonzaw is TL's very own Boxxy. | ||
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