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On January 20 2013 13:26 grush57 wrote: Also I have a plan Hopeless flips town. Plan? Hopeless flips scum. Plan? | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:29 grush57 wrote: No not liek that, it's something unrelated and I can't tell. Do you think you're liable to die I'd you tell us your plan? I'd rather have the opportunity to discuss this supposed plan with you instead of raging at everyone in the thread for being lazy pieces of shit | ||
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*if you tell us your plan | ||
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On January 20 2013 14:05 iamperfection wrote: hey hopeless why dont you do that thing where people make a read on every player in the game. You should do that kind of nowish instead of later i say. No. You'll get a case on Lazer in the morning. After that, you can all go fuck yourselves. | ||
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Well, I try. It's nice to be appreciated. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=187170¤tpage=6 Read it, learn what town-Lazer pushing a scumread looks like. Go read it goddamnit. In this game, none of that persistence is present. I implore you to read his filter from THIS game, and look for the ways that Lazer has read me as town all game, and then look at this post: On January 20 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless is probebly scum after all... Sure, his play is similar to what it was last game but on the other hand him playing similar to last game when he was town is actually completely irrelevant because it actually doesn't tell us anything about his play as scum. Also, his play overall simply isn't townie at all. His posted some long posts some time ago but the first one was just him echoing what he said D2, Hapa + Lazer are scum. The second one was talking about setup. Why would you as town in this position do something like that? A townie who is just about to die would do ANYTHING to help his team get on the right track and give out all reads because when he flips, everyone will know that what he said was comming from a townie who at least wanted to hunt scum. Him repeating reads isn't helpfull at all. We would go through his filter anyway once he flips and find those reads. With that being said, Hopeless is going to get lynched today it seems, and spending more time explaining why he is scum seems ##Vote: Hopeless WBG Wbgs vote pattern yesterday is veeery funky indeed. He voted/unvoted between SlOosh and Hopeless no less than 5(!) times. Let's look a little bit closer at all this. The first voteAfter this WBG goes on to put HEAVY pressure on SlOosh, points out several things in SlOosh play that makes him scum. The second vote While admittedly I think he is getting convinced by the guy he thinks he scum a little bit too fast, I don't really see any problem with this vote. He did state quite explicit that he had Hopeless down as scum. The third voteNow, this is when things start to get fishy. WBG states that because he read my post about about Hopeless play last game and how its similar to last game, he is now much more inclined to belive that Hopeless looks town, or at least much better. However, I have a hard time thinking this is what actually happend. In last game, all of us three were town. Me and WBG were heavily suspicious of Hopeless that game(WBG filter). Both of us were pushing him hard core. I have a hard time seeing that WBG just forgot all this in a few days and needed my post as a reminder, especially since he seems to be a guy remembering things like this. For example, he was very fast at dissmissing my accusations against Jay PURELY based on meta from another game, a game that was played about a month ago. Also note how during the time that he voted Hopeless, He doesn't really pressure him at all. He only has one post asking Hopeless about whether or not he is willing to lynch into SlOosh or not. This is in stark difference to when he was pushing SlOosh scum. The forth vote Once again, this is a very scummy vote. In just three hours he went from saying that he liked Hopeless posting much more, that he saw similarities to his last game and that SlOosh was scum to the opposite. Hopeless doesn't actually post even once during the time between the third and forth vote. WBG is instead convinced by Hapa's arguments on the issue. During the time between those two votes WBG goes on to say that Hopeless is a good lynch once again. But what happend with Hopeless improved posting? What happend with the meta read that made him look more town? And during this time, WBG still seems convinced that SlOosh is a good lynch, yet he votes Hopeless. He also tells us to conolidate which is strange because the votecount at this point was looking like this: The fifth and final vote Not much to say. WBG doesn't really motivate this swap at all and would he have voted Hopeless, hopeless would've died. Summary: WBG is flipping his vote like a mad man between Hopeless and SlOosh. However, while he is pushing SlOsh hard, he doesn't push hopeless at all. He even pushes SlOosh while he is voting Hopeless. As for the last scum, I'm not sure. My best guess at this point is grush because of the simple explanation that I have a town read, albeit not too strong, on every else. Consider the fact that there is NO OTHER CANDIDATE. In addition, there are currently 2 people not voting, 1 of which is MrZentor. I am either being bussed like a fucking champion, or scum see no reason to contest my lynch. I wouldn't mind Lazer voting me, except he's had me as town the entire time. Not null, not leaning, he hard defends me against Hapa: On January 17 2013 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote: Meeeh, I really think Hopeless should be defending himself, but since he seem to suck at that... I feel like alot of your points, maybe even all of them, could be explained by the fact that Hopeless is bad. And do you see any scum motivation in scum motivation in saying that a player is suspicious for voting the same person that you are voting yourself? This just seems retarded as both alignments. Also, Hopeless feels like he bases alot of his reads on OMGUS(whoever votes him, he votes etc) Also, I don't exactly see that he went from vote ruush to Iamp is town without explaination as scummy. ruush was a policy lynch and nothing else, and Iamp is clearly looking better than ruush to say the least. I'm not terribly fond of having to be defended because I'm bad and therefore not scum, but fuck it. One way or another, his reasoning for his read of me (as town or scum) is weak and scummy as it has allowed him to flop on his read very easily. Previous reasons to lynch Lazer: PROMETHELAX+ Show Spoiler + On January 14 2013 16:08 Promethelax wrote: I was not convinced by sloosh's case. I don't get how that is your read Haps. I looked back at Xat's past games and some of SS as well. SS is a giant prick but I'm less comfortable lynching him after looking into his Bureauracracy filter, he is clearly a good player and he clearly likes to be an ass and post shitty one-liners. since that is the case I went to look at other players in this game. Xat stood out as a dude who I didn't know anything about and there was a case on him so I looked at paranioa, he is clearly trying to figure out who scum is and being a try hard little townie. He is not the same here and I am willing to vote him. SS clearly isn't happening today and thus ##Unvote I'd like to take a look at our friend the fourth guy I mentioned earlier. I know we should give replacements the BotD but the hell with that, today is day 1 and that isn't much to lose. Lazer: He comes in with a promise to read the thread and in one fell swoop fails to do so, followed by I know you are looking at lies in a big way right now thrawn, why don't you point out the glaring lie in these two posts. It doesn't help that LM has sheeped me in his read entirely. When I question him about it he says: which, put through scum translator, reads as BUDDYBUDDYBUDDYBUDDYSHEEPBUDDY the entire rest of his filter is talking at SS in a way that provides nothing for the thread. He follows that up by vanishing and having made on ly one read the whole game, a sheep case after not reading the thread and excusing himself from having to do so. Lazer is the scummiest of the guys in my possible lynch catagory and the one whom no one is looking at, Lazer isn't Ruuch and shouldn't get a free day to learn to play in. There is no excuse for this play. ##Vote LazerMonkey - Entering thread without catching up, throwing suspicion on SS, effectively sheeping Prom This quote: On January 15 2013 04:39 Promethelax wrote: I didn't call your case bad, I said I thought any case on jay was bad because he is best mislynch NA. Your reads being terrible is very alignment indicative, you are up for lynch and you have three reads and calling one dude names. You aren't trying to help town, none of those are new reads and none of them are explained there. the difference in your play is that in LVIII you felt like a townie trying to work out what was going on and here you feel like a scummer trying to find someone to vote. You are looking for excuses and not reasons. supersoft: tbh, I'm not even sure how detailed his read was, he just kind of sheeped my case towards the end of the Day and gave out these posts: On January 15 2013 03:24 supersoft wrote: what you say is false. If you read me again you can see that i already - before hopeless even mentioned you once - compared your playstyle this game, to your playstyle in kurumis game. + I already downgraded you a whole lot after your first thread appearance. btw. you are calling me a retard? I just finished my LLM among the top 10>X% of all lawyers in Germany. I guess i am not completely retarded, since people are willing to pay a lot of money for the shit i am talking about. On January 15 2013 03:27 supersoft wrote: ##vote: Lazermonkey hehe you just sealed the deal + Show Spoiler + For reference, here was my "case" against lazer at the time On January 15 2013 00:26 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm voting Lazermonkey until he justifies why jay is scummy (or finds a proper scumread), because quite frankly he hasn't. He's shown that Jay is playing different than that other time he was town but hasn't shown why he's scum. OMGUS isn't a scumtell if WBG is to be believed, but Lazer puts that on display like its the nail in the coffin. He's scattered his vote and it looks like he's setting up to sheep again when the time comes to consolidate. ##Vote: Lazermonkey Thrawn2112: On January 18 2013 03:36 thrawn2112 wrote: this is exactly the kind of thing I expected to happen if I didn't immediately push the LM lynch at the start of D2. He had a very big impact on the thread during n1 and there was a lot of possible discussion that could come of it. super died, and so there was nobody except me to push his lynch. in the meantime he has done nothing except argue against a hopeless lynch and lightly fling suspicion at wbg, sloosh, and jay. his vote post was lacking original thought. It has been an hour since he voted and I've been asking him to share reads the entire time but he has done nothing but defend himself and talk about wifom. On January 18 2013 03:58 thrawn2112 wrote: i feel frustration would be much easier to detect... he is being quite passive about his frustration. he doesn't seem like he actually wants to help in any way. On January 18 2013 04:09 thrawn2112 wrote: which is more likely.. that he's town and has no reads or that he;'s scum? On January 18 2013 05:25 thrawn2112 wrote: the joke is that lazermonkey is obvious scum and everyone is skirting around the issue On January 18 2013 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote: my memories of playing with town hopeless is that I yell at him a lot for not scumhunting. imo LM is such obvious scum, idk how people aren't voting for him. Prom was lynched instead of Lazer (i'm not counting any votes that happened after ruuch's entrance) and LM had 2 confirmed town (sloosh and prom) voting for him. lets lynch LM please Page 63 is kind of nice too http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=63#1248 And once again: On January 19 2013 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote: Tomorrow town should put a lot of focus on hopeless and lazermonkey with special emphasis on lazermonkey. both lynches people have actively pushed for his lynch and it just couldn't happen. yes, "town" have been lynched both times so that's not proof that lazer is scum, but the fact that lazer has been so scummy and not been lynched should be more than enough to convince you to at least go back through filters and read stuff that's been written about him. Here's D1 votecount: I'm using the last votecount before ruuch entered the thread. 2 people on lazer's wagon were confirmed town. That plus EVERYTHING that's happened since N1 should be more than enough to reason to hang lazermonkey. Just go back and read the exchange I had with him where he was completely unable to talk about reads, other than the read he was sheeping. (also interesting to mention that lazer was sheeping wbg, even tho wbg was one of the very few people it looked like lazer might be suspicious of.) The small amount he posted earlier today was scummy.. his most recent conclusion/insight is that hopeless and xatalos are probably not both scum. How is this helpful at all? It's the latest in a long pattern of lazermonkey making no attempt at all to scumhunt. Hapa is also one to worry about. D1 he pushed to lynch prom, then abandoned his scumread to vote for ruuch. If hapa turns out to be scum, I don't think that will say anything about ruuch's alignment. If ruuch is scum, he would have been a great buss opportunity. In N1 and D2 hapa tunneled hopeless the majority of the time.... but I don't remember him actually trying too hard to get hopeless lynched or entering into other conversations. I think wbg is town but you should pay attention to how well he contributes towards lynching scum from here on out. Same thing applies to hapa. everyone else I don't really have any relevant thoughts about. Guess who got nk'd? Yes, the end of this was me invoking the desires of dead townies who had limited information compared to us now, but they, all 3 of them, wanted to lynch Lazer. No one finds that even remotely suspicious? 2/3 have been nk'd, though it isn't clear if/who slOosh shot. Oh shit conspiracy theory time. Maybe closer to deadline. | ||
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On January 21 2013 00:48 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless, you realise that a good move as town would be to actually give YOUR reads on ALL people in this situation? After the responses I've been getting all game? Nah I'll be indignant and obnoxious thank you. Less rage inducing for me. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:24 Lazermonkey wrote: Wait, you don't care about the game? But then why take the time to even post this? Why take the time to write a case on both me and Hapa? It doesn't actually matter about what response you will get. Its not only about you avoiding to get lynched anymore but also about you giving town reads we can trust to 100%. If the town can't figure out my town reads based on my filter when I flip...I just... I don't even. I'm not kind of scummy on you and hapa, you're strong reads, so giving town reads on the rest of the player base is redundant | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:37 Lazermonkey wrote: Some of your town reads are from daaays ago. And for some of them you don't even give any reasoning what so ever. That isn't very helpfull at all. Do you think you are helping town by just sitting here doing jack shit instead? Please look at the way Lazer is pushing me here. There are a finite number of scum in the game. I STRONGLY believe I've pegged two. At most I've missed one. Lazer's accusations suggest I need to give extensive town reads because they'll be beneficial. Bullshit. My town reads are inherent in the fact that they aren't scumreads. The current "exception" is xata/bugs. I think the scumteam is LM Hapa WBG at the moment. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Dude, I'm not even pushing you any longer. I am saying that it is insanely likely that you will die in about one hour and IF you for some reason actually is town instead of scum, the good news for us is that we know everything you have said has been comming from a townie. If you actually want town to win, you should have realised that by now and start to read filters in order to give out as good reads of every player in the game as you possibly can. You haven't lost the game just because you got lynched and helping us by giving out reads to the best of your ability should be your priority 1 right now. But owell, If you dont feel like giving out reads, it means you are most likely scum anyways. And I don't feel like arguing with scum about stuff like this. Its LYLO tomorrow. Town reads are meaningless. | ||
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