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On January 14 2013 08:31 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:@ SupersoftI keep asking you questions and you keep dodging them - whats the deal? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=19#363Secondly, a lot of your suspicions right now are based on how much you like certain players rather than their scumminess. You think Prome and SloOsh have bad suspicions of you - so what? Townies do that all the time. I don't know what to think of those players yet, but they are far from scumreads for me. SloOsh in particular has an assertiveness about him that I associate with his town play. i am ignoring you and not dodging you. I won't answer this completely pointless, useless and stupid question.
Talk to me about your reads then. Because it looks like you've OMGUS'd Prome, WBG, and SloOsh rather than having actual reasons to think that they're scum.
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In particular, why did you downgrade your read on Kush/Lazer so much based on OMGUS? Invalidating a town read based on a bad case is insane, especially on Day 1.
Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + ___________________________ after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------ probably stupid, since he was already really stupid in kurumis game. He was also wrong about me there.
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@ Lazermonkey
Is there anything other than Supersoft you can comment on at this point? A lot of crazy things have happened, and I'm interested to hear your thoughts on some other players. In particular, Xatalos, SloOsh, and WBG.
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On January 14 2013 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:In particular, why did you downgrade your read on Kush/Lazer so much based on OMGUS? Invalidating a town read based on a bad case is insane, especially on Day 1. Show nested quote +Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + ___________________________ after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------ probably stupid, since he was already really stupid in kurumis game. He was also wrong about me there.
'doh ignore this. I can't read.
On January 14 2013 08:10 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote:Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + ___________________________ after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------ probably stupid, since he was already really stupid in kurumis game. He was also wrong about me there. Lol. So much OMGUS in this game. Can people actually try to hunt scum and NOT retards? *you're ranked pretty high. I actually think you're a retard and not scum :-)
Other OMGUS things still stand.
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On January 14 2013 09:02 Promethelax wrote: Hey Hapa y u so scum?
okay now that is out of my system, what do you make of SS? Is there any reason to take him as town? I can't find a single one.
Are you still looking at Xat as scum? If not he who?
Xat is the guy I'm most interested in right now. It looks like he's blending in with his vote on a random lynch-bait case (Jay) rather than being productive and scumhunting.
I have very conflicting reads on SS, but I'm leaning town on him. Thrawn mentioned that he was a dick in his scum-game in LVIII, but his play seems really over the top for scum. I hate how he's playing it out, but it looks suicidal from a scum-perspective, since he's so willingly ready to make enemies in the thread.
My concern is that he's supposedly an accomplished vet, and I'd expect more from him. However, the OMGUS and violence of his play is indicative of a pissed-off townie.
As far as other reads, I'm more concerned with players avoiding the spotlight right now.
Ruuch peace'd out of the thread and we haven't heard of him for almost a Day. He is a newbie, but he took a lengthy absence from the thread and has had nothing to contribute to the discussion.
Otherwise, nothing very concrete.
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@ WBG
On January 14 2013 07:52 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 07:36 supersoft wrote:On January 14 2013 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm willing to give super a day or so to prove he's town, I'm just wary of lynching him today. Nothing he has done so far is particularly bothering me.
As for kush, I don't feel comfortable lynching someone who was just replaced. It's unfortunate if he actually was scum, but I think the replacement should get some time to establish himself as well. We do it like that: I will leave defending me completely to you wbg. if he fails to defend me and I die, you better lynch him tomorrow. Nah you can defend yourself. I have better things to do than waste my time defending someone who is capable of defending himself. I have no interest in lynching you right now but that doesn't mean I necessarily think you are very townie. No one so far in this game has been worth defending.
Who are you interested in lynching right now? Since you took your vote off Kush/Lazer, I have no idea where your suspicions stand.
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On January 14 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote: hapa, aren't you pressuring weak lynch bait in Xat and Ru? Speaking of players who have vanished for a while what about SloOsh? Why isn't he on your list?
Mostly because I agree with SloOsh on Xata. That and I saw SloOsh play as mafia in Liquid City, in which he was extremely passive. His play so far (even if he's afk) shows a level of assertiveness I associate with his town play.
As far as me going after "lynch-bait," I'm going to go after people I think are scum. I need to chat it up with him and see whats up, because I don't have any reason to think he's town right now 24 hours into the game. And that's a problem.
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On January 14 2013 09:29 Promethelax wrote:Waht about this? Two hours after his last post and two hours ago without posting anything else. Is this scum hopeless or scummy town hopeless?
Hopeless was an early-game scumread of mine, but since then, he has done more scumhunting than Xata or ruuch. He has two longer posts that I quite liked, one unvoting grush and the other declaring his scumreads. He's not my concern right now.
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@ Prome
Do you share my sentiments on Xata at all?
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On January 14 2013 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's new and improved lynch list:
sloosh/wbg/hapa/hopeless
i'm about 50% confident that randomly lynching into that list will lynch scum
Why do you think I'm scum? You've been talking a ton about how you think my play is "off," but you haven't substantiated it at all.
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On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote: And as to the case on Xatalos, have you looked at his play in Paranoia? (SloOsh you get to answer this one as well). Hapa I'll tell you what I think after the answer to this.
Lazer, what are your thoughts on people who are less soft? I know you 'agree with everything I say' but what about thinking instead of sheeping. How do you see Xat's play and how about SloOsh's?
Thrawn, me no likey your list. Explain it to me, why are each of those four present. Would you really be comfortable lynching any of them? Why do you have a town read on Lazer and SS?
I haven't looked at Paranoia, but I did just finish British Mini Mafia (where both Xata and I were town). In that game, this was Xata's first entrance into the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=7#136
This game, his scum-hunting efforts pale in comparison to what I've seen in British Mini.
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##Vote Xatalos
No idea why I haven't done this yet. Moving on:
@ Thrawn
The stuff on SloOsh doesn't make any sense. The second quote only suggests that he's relatively unfamiliar with his play, and not completely unfamiliar. The quotes make perfect sense with one another.
Also, why are you chainsaw defending Xata? You were suspicious of him earlier...
On January 13 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote: the reasons I think xatalos could be scum
he's defending kush.... scum do that a lot he's pushing jay.....scum do that a lot he's participating in a lot of discussion that isn't related to scumhunting, it looks like he's arguing for the sake of arguing i don't detect real suspicion in any of his posts
he's spending way too much time defending people and I don't think he's actually suspicious of anything
And now you're busy chainsaw defending him. Do you think Xata is town? Because he hasn't appeared in any of your "lynch lists"
On January 14 2013 14:48 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 09:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 14 2013 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's new and improved lynch list:
sloosh/wbg/hapa/hopeless
i'm about 50% confident that randomly lynching into that list will lynch scum Why do you think I'm scum? You've been talking a ton about how you think my play is "off," but you haven't substantiated it at all. eh, you or hopeless are the wildcards on that list. both of you, and especially you, are based on some tentative association theory stuff going on in my head that i'd rather not discuss atm. and wtf? i've been talking a ton about how your play is off? you misquote me sir, explain plz
Do discuss this, because you're suggesting lynching me on mysterious preflip "associations", which is absolutely retarded.
Oh as for the "off" stuff, I confused one of MrZ's posts with one of yours. Too many open tabs, and too little sleep
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Oh woah that Prome stuff looks really really bad. And I don't think you even highlighted the worst part about it:
On January 14 2013 06:59 Promethelax wrote: SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present.
Post number one, the bolded is a really typical scum wishy-washy stance. 1) ...case is weak... 2) ... but it has SOME merit... 3) ... but meh I'm not going to vote him...
On January 14 2013 10:36 Promethelax wrote: 'my side' of this issue is the same as yours. I find Xata scummy, I jsut wanted to get better reads on both you and hapa and your targeting fo Xat was a great way to do it.
In paranoia Xat is wishy washy and terrible but he is also very try-hard, as he was in british. He I'm not getting that same vibe here and I am happy to lynch him today. My short list of lynchables (like lunchables but with more murder) are Xatalos, Ruuch, SuperSoft and another dude. We'll talk about him later.
But then the bolded is a huge WTF. Prome doesn't want to lynch him, questioned SloOsh and I, called SloOsh's case weak, and now all of a sudden is happy to lynch Xata. That's complete BS.
Mind you, prome is CONVINCED that SuperSoft is scum:
On January 14 2013 09:02 Promethelax wrote: Hey Hapa y u so scum?
okay now that is out of my system, what do you make of SS? Is there any reason to take him as town? I can't find a single one.
Are you still looking at Xat as scum? If not he who?
He can't find a single reason why SuperSoft is town. Yet despite this and SloOsh's "weak" case, he's all of a sudden OK with lynching Xatalos and Ruuch.
##Unvote ##Vote Promethelax
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On January 14 2013 15:36 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 15:28 Hapahauli wrote:##Vote XatalosNo idea why I haven't done this yet. Moving on: @ ThrawnThe stuff on SloOsh doesn't make any sense. The second quote only suggests that he's relatively unfamiliar with his play, and not completely unfamiliar. The quotes make perfect sense with one another. Also, why are you chainsaw defending Xata? You were suspicious of him earlier... On January 13 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote: the reasons I think xatalos could be scum
he's defending kush.... scum do that a lot he's pushing jay.....scum do that a lot he's participating in a lot of discussion that isn't related to scumhunting, it looks like he's arguing for the sake of arguing i don't detect real suspicion in any of his posts
he's spending way too much time defending people and I don't think he's actually suspicious of anything And now you're busy chainsaw defending him. Do you think Xata is town? Because he hasn't appeared in any of your "lynch lists"
On January 14 2013 14:48 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 14 2013 09:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 14 2013 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's new and improved lynch list:
sloosh/wbg/hapa/hopeless
i'm about 50% confident that randomly lynching into that list will lynch scum Why do you think I'm scum? You've been talking a ton about how you think my play is "off," but you haven't substantiated it at all. eh, you or hopeless are the wildcards on that list. both of you, and especially you, are based on some tentative association theory stuff going on in my head that i'd rather not discuss atm. and wtf? i've been talking a ton about how your play is off? you misquote me sir, explain plz Do discuss this, because you're suggesting lynching me on mysterious preflip "associations", which is absolutely retarded. Oh as for the "off" stuff, I confused one of MrZ's posts with one of yours. Too many open tabs, and too little sleep idk about xata atm. there's been stuff in his filter that goes both ways. but the amount of stuff that might make him scum is nowhere near as large as stuff I have on my top scumreads. and no, I'm not suggesting lynching you. did I say that? like, fuck. i'm going to start keeping tally of how many times you misquote/say things that aren't true
When you include my name in a list of 4 players and say that we'd have a 50% chance of lynching scum in that players, that's a suggestion. If it isn't, I don't know what is.
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On January 14 2013 15:44 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 14:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote:Thrawn, me no likey your list. Explain it to me, why are each of those four present. Would you really be comfortable lynching any of them? Why do you have a town read on Lazer and SS? you could look through my filter and easily figure out why most of the people are on that list. maybe not hapa, that was "sorta" a random name. and how are you equating that list to me having town reads on lazer and/or super? that doesn't make any sense stop being silly you have a 'not willing to lynch today read on them. I'd call it the same thing basically. I myself have a six man don't lynch list a three man null list and a four man lynch list. My lynch list is just much better than yours. Sloosh, what changed is that I reread the thread, looked into Xat's past and changed my mind. I at first thought he was a scummy looking dude who is always scummy (see Jay) even when town. On looking into him more as a player I decided that his play this game is different from his past, town, games. I knew that since I had earlier stated that I would not vote xat so I used that to pressure you and Hapa to give reasons for your read and to provide a better way for me to read both of you. SS I'm trying really hard to not call anyone fucking stupid. You are making that resolution very hard.
Yeah but Prome, what's scummy about your stance on Xatalos is that you have this huge scumread on Supersoft, can't find a single reason that he's town (in your own words), and all of a sudden completely happy with lynching Xatalos. AND Ruuch.
It reads like you don't give a crap about who gets lynched.
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On January 14 2013 16:12 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 15:53 Hapahauli wrote:On January 14 2013 15:44 Promethelax wrote:On January 14 2013 14:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 14 2013 09:44 Promethelax wrote:Thrawn, me no likey your list. Explain it to me, why are each of those four present. Would you really be comfortable lynching any of them? Why do you have a town read on Lazer and SS? you could look through my filter and easily figure out why most of the people are on that list. maybe not hapa, that was "sorta" a random name. and how are you equating that list to me having town reads on lazer and/or super? that doesn't make any sense stop being silly you have a 'not willing to lynch today read on them. I'd call it the same thing basically. I myself have a six man don't lynch list a three man null list and a four man lynch list. My lynch list is just much better than yours. Sloosh, what changed is that I reread the thread, looked into Xat's past and changed my mind. I at first thought he was a scummy looking dude who is always scummy (see Jay) even when town. On looking into him more as a player I decided that his play this game is different from his past, town, games. I knew that since I had earlier stated that I would not vote xat so I used that to pressure you and Hapa to give reasons for your read and to provide a better way for me to read both of you. SS I'm trying really hard to not call anyone fucking stupid. You are making that resolution very hard. Yeah but Prome, what's scummy about your stance on Xatalos is that you have this huge scumread on Supersoft, can't find a single reason that he's town (in your own words), and all of a sudden completely happy with lynching Xatalos. AND Ruuch. It reads like you don't give a crap about who gets lynched. I care about who is going to be lynched. I just know that I won't be able to push SS through (it also doesn't help that the other scummiest dude in the thread buddied my case onto him) and after looking at his town play I am less sure than I was.
The problem I'm having is that over the short time you were "pressuring" me and SloOsh, you all of a sudden did a lot of reading and your opinions perfectly matched up with ours. It's awfully convenient. [/Quote]
Scummy list from most scum to lest scum: Lazer Xat/SS Ruuch
list of dudes I think could be lynched day one who are on the previous list, again in order of most likely to least likely: Xat Ruuch Lazer
SS
Wait what?! How on earth is SuperSoft not a likely lynch candidate for today? Hell he's the vote leader right now!
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On January 14 2013 16:25 Promethelax wrote: because Hopeless is bad at pushing lynches and Lazer is scummy as shit sheep. That leaves me to push it and, for whatever reason, no one has me as town. If there is consolidation it seems clear that Bugs, You, Thrawn will consolidate away from SS. I don't really want my vote to be a waste today and I have other scum reads tp pressure who I think have a better chance of being lynched and as good (or even better) chance of flipping scum.
I decided my tunnel wasn't so hot and there were better things for me to do day one than pressure a vet who is good as town.
It is inexcusable not to push a scumread because of the inabilities of other players supporting you.
The bolded is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. "I don't want to push my wagon because no one sees me as town?!?!?!?"
Listen. If you think SS is scum, you're welcome to convince me otherwise. As stated, it reads like you ran into some resistance about SS from me, then shut down your suspicions on him in favor of lynching Lazermonkey. And I'll be honest - I'm really really against lynching the replacement today unless he does something really scummy. I think a lot of his "sheeping" can be explained by him replacing in barely 6 hours ago, and I don't see it as scummy at all.
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On January 14 2013 16:36 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 16:33 Hapahauli wrote:On January 14 2013 16:25 Promethelax wrote: because Hopeless is bad at pushing lynches and Lazer is scummy as shit sheep. That leaves me to push it and, for whatever reason, no one has me as town. If there is consolidation it seems clear that Bugs, You, Thrawn will consolidate away from SS. I don't really want my vote to be a waste today and I have other scum reads tp pressure who I think have a better chance of being lynched and as good (or even better) chance of flipping scum.
I decided my tunnel wasn't so hot and there were better things for me to do day one than pressure a vet who is good as town. It is inexcusable not to push a scumread because of the inabilities of other players supporting you. The bolded is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. "I don't want to push my wagon because no one sees me as town?!?!?!?" Listen. If you think SS is scum, you're welcome to convince me otherwise. As stated, it reads like you ran into some resistance about SS from me, then shut down your suspicions on him in favor of lynching Lazermonkey. And I'll be honest - I'm really really against lynching the replacement today unless he does something really scummy. I think a lot of his "sheeping" can be explained by him replacing in barely 6 hours ago, and I don't see it as scummy at all. I rethought my reads. I am not the guy who will be pushing SS's lynch. SS will not be lynched today. I have otehr scummier reads, why is it inexcusable to push them over a less scummy read again? Oh right, it isn't. Don't be dumb Hapa, its not in your nature.
Well I still don't understand how you dropped your suspicions on SS. Your reasoning for "rethinking" your read on SS was the following:
SS is a giant prick but I'm less comfortable lynching him after looking into his Bureauracracy filter, he is clearly a good player and he clearly likes to be an ass and post shitty one-liners. since that is the case I went to look at other players in this game. Xat stood out as a dude who I didn't know anything about and there was a case on him so I looked at paranioa, he is clearly trying to figure out who scum is and being a try hard little townie. He is not the same here and I am willing to vote him. ...but SS being a "giant prick" and "posting shitty one-liners" had nothing to do with your case on him. For reference:
What has Supersoft done to get off that list? His play thus far has been incredibly anti-town. He posted a huge list full of nothing (seriously has reads based on if people will call themselves town) and is trying to get vets lynched day one. Something he said he would never do as town. Along with that Super has gotten ultra defensive when Sloosh called his posting bullshit and he has continued to fling shit around the thread. I find SS scummiest and plan on voting him today. In fact ##Vote: Supersoft
Notable from your case: 1) SS is trying to get "vets" lynched Day 1 2) SS is getting ultra defensive 3) SS is posting alot, but it's content-less 4) SS is flinging shit around the thread
Regarding you "rethinking your reads" over all, it looks like you did a lot of re-thinking in a very short time, and it was very convenient with how the suspicions of SloOsh and I lined up.
Anywho, I'll get to your response tomorrow morning, and I'm interested in seeing where your case on Lazermonkey goes. Though as I've said before, you don't explain what makes Lazer's sheeping scummy rather than simply a replacement not caught-up with the game.
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Holy geezus I slept in. Catchin up.
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I'm not liking a Lazermonkey lynch. He looks like a replacement who's lost and not fully caught up. It's not alignment indicative, and lynching him seems like a coin-flip at best.
Right now, we need to lynch the guy that's actually done something scummy - Promethelax. He was convinced SuperSoft was scum all game, then merrily decided he was happy with Xatalos + Ruuch being dead, then now is onto Lazermonkey for being a sheep.
On January 14 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote: hapa, aren't you pressuring weak lynch bait in Xat and Ru? Speaking of players who have vanished for a while what about SloOsh? Why isn't he on your list?
He earlier questioned me for going after lynch-bait, and now his top three scumreads are perhaps the biggest lynch-bait in the game.
He needs to hang today.
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