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On February 06 2013 11:10 RockHydra wrote: I, too, found that quite comical. Nevertheless, Suck gets to die today. I still good to send ink-eyes at Nova right? ~Hopeless I believe Gonzaw wants Aperture to die, but I think it's impossible due to SnB clearly planning on chump blocking: if we do optimum damage, we can do 11 damage to Aperture. He can tap a random land to avoid the bomb and he lives. I also disagree with it, because I believe Aperture is town, but I'm done arguing. I am fine with anything as long as Suck dies. /Acro | ||
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If we say what card, we give away its rather obvious limitations. We don't want to do that, because it is theoretically possible scum can mess with that. | ||
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Going to bed. Just do this and all will be well On February 06 2013 10:12 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I'm going to take that as "I'm chump blocking" Plan: 8 damage worth of zombies stomps Suck. 6 damage worth of ball lightning stomps Suck. 2 damage worth of ninja stomps Suck. 4 damage from Nova's instants attack Suck. ---- 20 damage total, of which 2 can be blocked. Suck is tapped out, so no shenanigans are possible. Stutters: please stand by if Rock attacks someone else with his ninja. The rest of the damage is unfortunately not enough to kill anybody (due to chump blocking occurring), so please keep it in reserve until the above list of things has happened. Then I guess, attack who you wish. /Acro | ||
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On February 06 2013 11:15 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Well, there are several things: 1)I am not entirely sure about it (i.e you not dying today). I said Nova+Aperture or Nova+Rock would have more chances to flip scum, but if all 4 of you die then ultimately it doesn't matter that much, but I am trying to think ways around it to increase town's chances of winning. 2)Even without 1, I don't know really if I can convince Clock not to use his 11 KP on you. I am trying though, but if I'm not sure who to use it on then I can't do much. I could talk with Prome more but he doesn't give much of a shit since the game is "solved" lol 3)I'm kind of frustrated/tired/etc right now to step into you and Clock's shitstorm. Specially frustrated at the other players still not doing anything (still looking at Nova and Aperture). I'll do have to think about this a little bit though. Suck, how much damage can you do tomorrow and how? Suck being alive tomorrow may not pose that much of a threat, if he uses his KP on Nova/Aperture/Rock (or whoever is left standing from those). If he uses it on Clock or me or Stutters or something like that....then surely we all just gang up on him and he loses (as scum). We could force him to attack like before 12 hours from T4's Attack Phase or something to prevent that. Artanis said that attacks are fixed and can't be changed. This can give us path to kill Aperture and/or Nova/Rock today. /G Which part of combo deck going off do you not understand? Did you even LOOK at what he did today? He drew 17million cards. He will keep the best of them (the combo pieces). I didn't understand how the deck works until that happened, but read here how the Enchantress combo works: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/melissadetora-070512-casting-enchantments-for-fun-and-profit-a-legacy-enchantress-primer/ I'm guessing that today we just got lucky that he didn't have a solitary confinement or whatever his deck runs to stop him from being killed easily (there's also a card where you don't lose the game if you are at less than 1 life). | ||
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On February 06 2013 11:25 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Also marv you can't really say I don't care lol. "Not caring" was your whole motto this game basically lol You could try doing something today instead of flinging shit back and forth with Clock Do you think any of Rock/Nova is like very likely town or something? That'd be good to hear (to change our killing order perhaps). Also where the fuck is S&B again? S&B, can you give at least 1,5% of a crap this game, if it means you can convince everybody not to kill you? You should have fresh ideas and reads ever since...like T1 I believe? Hey Clock, would you be willing to like give your 11 KP to me+Prome to choose who to die, even if it means it may not be Suck? Also, do you prefer your "battle plan" stuff you said, or maybe flipping Aperture today? You have like a bajillion KP tomorrow, so you can like kill Nova/Rock single-handily right? Or not? Any ideas/thoughts about it? Also...please try to keep a cool head and don't assume Suck will flip scum 100%. If he flips town and I see you maybe trying to get me killed because of you "being paranoid" or some shit I'll seriously lose my mind (it happened with Toad last game, remember? Albeit with other players lol) /G I have Suck as my top scum read. I also believe he stands a good chance of killing us all tomorrow. So no, you can't redistribute my zombies. I am completely fine with AS dying. I don't have him as a scum read, but he'd die tomorrow anyway and contributes 0 in the grand scale of things. | ||
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On February 06 2013 11:35 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: acro, since when were you this bad :< it's really quite depressing Says the guy whose defense was "guys, don't kill me. I DON'T PLAY THIS BADLY AS SCUM" | ||
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Do that, (or substitute anybody else for AS if you prefer) | ||
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Acro: 11 zombie damage to Suck. Poster: 7 damage to Suck (ball lightning and grim lavamancer). Stutters: 2 damage to Aperture Rock: 7 damage to Aperture Nova: 4 damage to Aperture (+2 on bear and +2 on 2/2 Ninja) Result: both dead (barring Aperture casting lightning bolts). | ||
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Anyway, Healing Salve can gain him more life than we can deal tomorrow. Kill him. | ||
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On February 06 2013 12:07 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: why would prome hit a strong townread :o Why are you so opposed to dying? Is it because you're scum? | ||
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You clearly have Prom as a strong town read. You have me as a strong town read (I saw you say it). And you have Stutters as a strong town read. These are the three people who will live. If AS is scum he dies tonight. If Nova or Rock is scum, they die tomorrow. And unlike you, their decks don't gain nigh infinite life tomorrow WHY are you so fearful of dying? | ||
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On February 06 2013 12:14 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Yeah I'm not that sure about that "attack pattern" you just made Clock I'll discuss it with Prome first. Ideally, I'd prefer dealing the 7 damage to Aperture myself, and then see if a Nova (or at worst Rock) kill can still happen instead of a Suck one /G Suck gains about 50 life tomorrow. If you are wrong about your town read on Suck, we are dead. A Rock or Nova kill cannot happen because 11 damage is rampaging in Suck's face. They are NOT going anywhere else. The END. If you want, I'll lock those 11 damage in right now. It's not going anywhere else. Rock and Nova are easy kills tomorrow, but there won't be a tomorrow, because Suck is scum. | ||
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On February 06 2013 12:17 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: i mean earlier you were saying i could kill you all, lol Words of War can take care of any survivors the turn after. You'll clearly be unkillable by damage, and AS is the only one who might be running a deck capable of stopping you. | ||
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On February 06 2013 12:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: i'm not fearful, its just bad play, because im evidently not mafia infinite life lol? how's that? It is not evident at all. And your continued insistence on living... despite having a TOWN read on the people who will survive? Scum | ||
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On February 06 2013 12:14 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Yeah I'm not that sure about that "attack pattern" you just made Clock I'll discuss it with Prome first. Ideally, I'd prefer dealing the 7 damage to Aperture myself, and then see if a Nova (or at worst Rock) kill can still happen instead of a Suck one /G Here, I'll do the math: 12 damage on Aperture 11 damage on Suck That leaves 8 damage lying around. Guess what, you can kill Suck with that! It's not enough to kill anybody else. | ||
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Let me start with saying that if Marv is scum, he has played every dirty trick in the book. I said to Dandel at one point that I actually hoped we were wrong and that he was town, because I used to have respect for Marv and if he is scum playing this dirty, it is beyond reprehensible. However, Dandel replied that the same goes for either alignment and upon managing to get a little bit of sleep, I realize that Dandel is right: his personal attacks have been beyond reprehensible from either alignment. He has gone beyond the bounds of playing a fair game. He has pulled out every dirty trick in the debater's playbook: he is using appeals to emotion, ad hominem attacks and it feels more like an emotional war than a game. So far, I had enjoyed playing mafia. Even when I put way too much time into a game, the attacks have not become personal. Even when I have stressed over the game, it has been stress of anticipation. It has remained a battle of wits and while sometimes arguments have gotten out of hand, I have never felt assaulted before. This game, I have not enjoyed. Marv's attacks on my personal playstyle have been unrelentless. He has not refuted the things I have said. He hasn't explained why the things he has done are explainable from a town point of view, he has simply claimed he's a better player and anything that would look like a scum argument for a lesser mortal is not a scumtell from the magical Marv. Therefore, anything Acro or Dandel says must be because they are stupid or bad (the attacks on Dandel have been even more personal and I am unsure how he coped with this). So, I decided that, rather than show that Marv is scum, I would show you my track record from the last two games I played as town (before that I played 2 scum games and before that, you could claim I was in fact bad, but now we're talking about my newbie game 6 months ago) and let you (particularly counting on Prom and H1 here) judge whether I am stupid or bad. + Show Spoiler [Acro not bad] + Acme Mini Mafia: D1: I pulled a silly stunt that got a townie lynched. Yet my read was that that townie was town. My preferred lynch was Promethelax, based 100% on prplhz's play and it was primarily a lurker lynch. D2: Promethelax KNOWS what it is like to be on the bad side of a tunnel with me. Yet he argued his way out of it in two ways: first, he argued the points I had against him and showed why they were not scumtells. Second, he contributed actively as a town. Prom, I ask you, specifically, has Marv done either of these things this game? You are one of two players in this game who has played both of my previous games and should know me well enough that I can be argued out of a tunnel. I then argued back and forth a bit about who was scum, before pushing the lynch onto H1. H1 was scum that game. D3: Drazak had essentially claimed scum on D2 and got lynched for it. Not my case, and everybody had noticed it, so not much chance of being on the wrong side of the lynch. D4: I was killed by scum, but the case I made on risk.nuke at night got him lynched as the SK (I thought he was scum, but SK made sense too). CT: D1: election, so not much scumhunting. D2: I tried to argue town out of lynching scum... and into lynching a different scum. In fact, I had tunnel view on a third scum for most of the day, but dropped it later in the game due to an utterly brilliant (crazy) claim. D3,4,5: by now my D2 scumspect had a double red check on him (one by me), so easy lynch. D6,7: argued for lynching another scum. D8: lurker lynch on another scum (by now they were just lining up to be lynched). D9: not my case, but sheeped syllo to another scum lynch. D10: would have lynched another scum, but he derailed it onto a townie (while I was away for the weekend, I might add). D11: argued actively to get D10 scum lynched. D12: Lavos spawned, no more lynches. Now both H1 and Prom were in this game. In fact, so was Marv. They should both be able to attest to me not being a bad player. I had my suspicions at one point or another of both Prom and H1 in this game. Yet a bit of arguing made me see the error: I am not beyond seeing reason if someone shows how his behaviour is townie and puts in a townie effort. Now that may be the case, but maybe Acro is bad in this game! However: while Dandel and I are not the only ones to reach the conclusion that Xfire was scum on D1, we clearly did reach that conclusion. That puts us at 1/1 so far, which is clearly not a bad track record. Prom and Gonzaw, you may be right on your D1 scum too. However, for now I ask you to ALSO kill the scumspect of the guy with the track record of lynching scum. Even if he keeps getting derailed in flamewars and pointless arguments with that scumspect. Which brings me back to this game. All I ask of you is that you sheep me on this one, single, case. It isn't even to the exclusion of Gonzaw's case: we can kill BOTH. Marv has not contributed this game. Below I will quote all the weird scum-motivated actions he has not answered to. I will not claim I am 100% certain, because that is stupid, but at this point I don't even have to be any more. All I need to convince you of is that there is a reasonable chance that Marv is scum. Today is our last chance of killing him. With 9 mana tomorrow, he can almost certainly cast Utopia Sprawl and similar land enchants to give him more mana, culminating in him discarding 8 or 9 cards, which will give him 24-27 more life than he has now. That puts him beyond the point where we can kill him, and this play is repeatable the day after. If your town read on him is wrong, he will not be killable. If you believe Nova is scum, that is fine, you may be right. However, he is unkillable today. Unlike Suck, he can block one of the creatures attacking him, meaning that even if you were to have my Zombie support (which you do not), we cannot kill both Nova and Aperture today, unless Nova doesn't block (and if he doesn't block, then you already have your answer to whether he is scum or not). Same story for Rock. Please assist me in killing Suck today. I guarantee that if my tunnel has been wrong, we CAN kill both of them tomorrow. Just please kill Suck. + Show Spoiler [Suck is scum] + Marv's single most repeated defense is that when Marv is scummy he doesn't look scummy. To go back to burglars, when this was still all fun and games: this is like a burglar's fingerprints being all over a house. When he is brought in and confronted with the evidence, he says "but the fingerprints mean nothing, because when I burgle a house, I don't leave fingerprints". The fingerprints are there. Follow the evidence. Summary of the below:
Given that this is our last chance to stop Suck if he is scum, I hope you realize that this is enough evidence to warrant killing him, and not leaving him for tomorrow (when his deck explodes). On February 04 2013 21:19 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Okay. First this whole plan only has any chance of working if Xfire dies in the main phase, so lets make that happen. We currently just have Death Spark to help with that, but we'll use the Bazaar and if we draw something useful let you know. However, there is no reason not to blast Xfire with a healthy dose of 5 damage right now. Second, I agree that Aperture needs to die. Add this to the reasons he's scum: he is fairly active this game. Ask him a question about the mtg side of things and he will pop in and join the discussion. Ask him about mafia and he says nothing. He doesn't want to tell anybody about his reads and the two cases he made so far are both bad: one is on a confirmed town, the other on what looks to me to be very likely town. He is not pushing his cases or making new ones. In SSB I remember iGrok being very adamant about pushing his scum reads (and pushing his plan). They were completely wrong, but he was actively pushing them and appeared invested in the thread. This game iGrok's main contributions are that any time the thread goes seriously south, he's in the middle of it. Greymist I have nothing on. He came back from holiday and has, insofar as I can see, done nothing, except for his half of the stutters analysis. Why not advising Xfire doesn't make him town: if I were scum I would advise Xfire to blow shit up at the end of the attack phase (before damage resolution of course). This has 2 advantages: the first is that town might spend extra resources in killing you and the second is that you know exactly how much damage you need to prevent. The disadvantage is that town might blow up your creatures before you can blow shit up, meaning you might need to sac more lands. Why Suck is scum You know what Suck's contribution to scumhunting has been this game? He has made a bad case against Nova. The combined forces of marv and snb have managed to do 1 thing: find a load of shit that is not indicative of alignment when looking at Nova. Marv has gone into full-on lurker mode. He is not pressuring anybody, despite actually being present for a lot of the game. SnB has done nothing. Even when absent, SnB as town phoneposts to say "dudes, I'm in England, don't lynch me because I don't have internet" and then gives a quick list of reads. As mafia, he straight up lurks (although he seems to have improved in WLIIA). Evidence: SSM and Caller - Remove Incognito. Now, would scum SnB have posted the plan for Xfire in the thread? Well, he told us: never assume your opponent is too stupid to not recognize the board possibilities. In this case a scum SnB expects town to already know what needed doing (blow up Xfire's shit and then just hope for the best). He didn't want to be forced to contribute to town by casting an enchant on Nova's land and thus told town the plan wouldn't work. This allowed him to follow his own plan and cast his own useful stuff. He also scored townie points for being the herald and noticing that shit. Marv flip flops on Xfire. He spends quite a bit of his time soft-defending Xfire. + Show Spoiler [Marv and Xfire] + Original stance on Xfire is to agree with the suspicions (my early D1 case and the followups). He doesn't add anything new, but says Xfire is "suspicious". Now, the rest: On January 31 2013 04:33 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: crossfire seems overwhelmed. legitimate reaction for someone who doesnt know mtg and doesnt have a partner to ask about it. his big post about ch is interesting. hes right that theres a contradiction in the first two posts he identifies, but the contradiction is completely explainable by ch reacting differently towards crossfire (relative noob) and igrok (very vet), ch took the same question seriously from igrok. i dont see scum motivation in that contradiction, and (to both his blame (bad townie play) and credit (at least he didnt try to make up some bullshit)) crossfire doesnt explain the possible scum motivation at all. however, in his second point he is kind of pointing out a contradiction that does have scum motivation. the quotes that he has from ch do seem to indicate "beware of giving any one person too much power" "oh wait i mean, unless its me lol". everything else in his filter is either self defense or just expressing being overwhelmed. i guess i like that he tried to do some analysis anyway. overall conclusion: possible scum? hes doing a lot of defense and "oh me oh my" ing but otoh this is a fast paced game with weird ass mechanics where we are all talking about the mechanics all the time. id wait a few days before lynching him to give him a chance to feel less overwhelmed. good thing we can't lynch anyone today anyway. At the time I just skipped over this post, and read it as being wrong. Now that we know xfire is scum, Marv is going on record here saying that xfire might be scum, but probably just wait to lynch him. Classic scum behaviour: wants the town credit when his mafia buddy flips, but wants to stall the lynch as long as possible. On January 31 2013 05:42 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Yeah, but here it's... Suck is scummy, maybe for this reason maybe not, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... In the last game he didn't have to promise future content, he was happy just to say "yeah kill these dudes". Here he feels the need to justify his absence and his read with future promises. My read on Stutters (slightly town) remains unchanged, and Crossfire seems less scummy for it. At least he made the effort to defend himself and make a case on someone, even though some of it was wrong, some of it was correct too - marvelbabe Huh? What does Stutters being town have to do with Xfire being town? Why randomly include the scumbuddy in this town read? On January 31 2013 06:18 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I take it from your attitude that you think Crossfire is 'surely' scum then, gonzaw? Town explanation: please clarify your stance. Scum explanation: mr. town leader, is it time to bus my scumbuddy? Would marv want that confirmation to make the decision? Finally something meta can help with. In Hero, Marv's stance on Adam is really non-committal. There's the "might be scum, but lets wait and see"... but then Palmar comes in, says Adam is scum and asks why Marv isn't voting for him. 2 pages later, he is (nothing of consequence happened in those 2 pages). Scum Marv does not just willy nilly bus his buddies, he needs to be sure he'll get town cred for doing so. On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: This game's looking quite decent. In order of towniness: gonz/Prome - blates town me/s&b - town too. slightly less town than gonz because i haven't seen our role PM even though s&b promises we're town Binonfire - Minds Aglow totes pro-town, Oats being silly with it also probably town Hopeless/zebeszt - probably townish too, posts don't show any fear (lol) Stutters - let's call this dude town for now, seems kinda interested Acro/dand - have hardons for calling me mafia, but maybe they just like that sort of thing. Decent case on Crossfire, although if I was lynching for meta, I'd be lynching s&b. Crossfire seems a good deal more interested than he was in... Mario Mafia as scum. Crossfire - see above, could still be mafia Nova - scummy, see awesome burgler case Aperture - kill it with fire! see also awesome gonzaw case. The more I think about it the less I like how iGrok declared Bin scummy because Oats was disagreeing with MG on Minds Aglow. Seems really superficial. Ta-da! Heading rather fast towards giving Xfire a town read AFTER the meta case. Is Marv really bad enough to not realize that the metas match 100%? On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I presume you are referring to the Aperture case and the Nova burgler case, yes? Discrediting the case on Xfire. Shortly after that Xfire claimed scum. TLDR No scumhunting. Stand-offish about Xfire. Fitting SnB's scum meta. There are still some things that I think point to a town Suck, but honestly, if we can kill both Aperture and Suck, I am 95% sure we'll hit at least 1 scum. A quick blurb on why you should get your heads out of your asses regarding the CW-Xfire mutual bus thing. Xfire fucked up his sacrifice-defense. He screwed it up by taking out my Rootwalla and enchantment, instead of my Rootwalla and a Zombie. He took out what was probably the strongest card on the board FOR NO GOOD REASON (at least from a spot defense point of view). He was then forced to gimp himself even further to actually take out a zombie. This went WAY overboard on what was necessary to make it look like a two-way-bus and went straight into "I am doing as much damage as I possibly can to your board". I mean, Dandel and I talked it over in Skype and we reckoned a two-way-bus would have been a hilarious stunt, but it didn't actually happen. What happened was, we found scum and attacked him. Then he went nuts, claimed scum and fucked up the townie with the dangerous enchant. /Acro On February 05 2013 03:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Town Marv, in LIX, saw Stutters as town based on Stutters going along with a plan that would kill him. What would scum's reason be to go along with the plan? EXACTLY: to appear townie. Yet, he used Ockham's Razor and read Stutters as town. Correctly. Despite having him as a "possible scum" the whole game so far (until Toad pointed out that the voting was also strange for Stutters). Town Marv, in LIX, saw Austin as town because he could have taken himself out of the mayoral election, yet didn't. What would scum's reason be to run against his scumbuddy? EXACTLY: to appear townie. Yet, he used Ockham's Razor and read Austin as town. Correctly. Despite Austin being (apparently) on the wrong side of lynches all game long. Scum Marv is ignoring the same reasoning here in favour of saying Aperture is scum, because it will lynch a townie and probably prevent scum Marv from dying. Town Marv sees this kind of play and recognizes the townieness in it. Scum Marv doesn't want to admit that point, because he is next on the chopping block and needs more time. Scum Marv must die for his sins. On February 05 2013 03:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Dat scumslip! There is 1 scum left If that scum is us, why push this lynch away from the easiest fucking mislynch in the world? If that scum is NOT US, we are clearly not (intentionally) setting up a mislynch. However, if that scum is scum Marv he would really really like you to think so KILL IT WITH FIRE. OR ZOMBIES. OR BEARS. IN FACT, ALL OF THOSE On February 05 2013 08:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote: We aren't town because we made a case on Xfire. We know he was acting super scummy and several people realized it. However, if you were to click on our filter and read a few of our posts, you would realize how much nonsense your allegation is. Also, we're not "milking the xfire case". We are trying to kill scum. PS. If you think "milking the xfire case" is scummy, we present scum Marv: And he never even made a case on Xfire, just non-committally "agreed" to it. Taking credit for a scum lynch when you didn't do jack shit for it? Hell yeah, sign scum Marv up (this scumtell was brought to you by Dandel Ion, the best Ion). /Acro On February 05 2013 22:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Marv, what the hell do you want me to say to that: you look like scum, therefore you can't be? It's a non-sequitur. The case isn't based on meta, it's a case chaining together your scummy behaviour this game (the tiny bit of meta I invoked yesterday was to show that you're a good player, not to show you're scum). Your meta is not to look like scum as town either. You looked like town in CT. You looked like town in LIX. You don't look like town here. Saying that you're not playing anything like your scum meta is irrelevant when you're not playing anything like your town meta either. /Acro On February 06 2013 07:13 Clockwork Hydra wrote: While you have calmed down today and seem resigned to your fate, you haven't done anything today to make me think you're town after playing like you have a mafia agenda all game (deliberately phrased carefully so as not to anger the rageMarv). You say it's because you were trolling and not trying, but that doesn't explain your hilariously bad case on Nova. It doesn't explain your refusal to give town credit to AS for accelerating Xfire's death when there was no reason to do it as scum. It doesn't explain why SnB is playing like his lurky scumself and not his insightful townself. Saying SnB is afk, when he is playing the game enough to drop by and play his enchantments, is not a valid reason. SnB dropped in once a day in SSM too (and flipped scum at the end of it). Saying you don't care about the game doesn't excuse you pushing targets for obviously bad reasons. /Acro On February 06 2013 08:06 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Here you express confidence in Gonzaw's belief that town will win. Here you agree that wanting to live for the sake of living is not a particularly townie thing to do. Yet here: You express the desire to live despite earlier expressing confidence that town can do just fine without you. You know who wants to live for the sake of living? Scum does. If you are, in fact, town (nobody should believe this), then you should rest in the happy knowledge that there is no way AS, Suck and Nova are all outlasting Stutters, Rock and me. Die like a happy townie, or as a fighting scum. What you SHOULD be doing as a townie is finding us the scum to kill instead of you. But no. You want to kill other people, regardless of their alignment. We kill scum Marv On February 06 2013 08:11 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Suck is more scum. The defense is the same as marv's, but snb did his version of it, called "I'm bad as either alignment". So that makes him twice as scummy alone. Add to that that marv doesn't suck as town, so it's more lies. I dunno if nova is good as scum, if he's town this game, it doesn't look like a hard meta to copy tbh. Or he's delusional. Whatever. Not that that's even a big point. I prefer killing the scummy liar that suddenly has a weird interest in staying alive after doing a fake ragequit just yesterday. ~dandel On February 06 2013 09:01 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Marv, here's your lie. I myself wouldn't use the word lie, but you are definititely twisting the truth. Also thanks for making me go over the beginning of the game again, I found a GEM What you said: What you did, in chronological order (and cutting out SnB's trolly savannah stuff). + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. Thread entry. Note the bolded part. For the record, Dandel wasn't, he was stating the absolute fucking obvious. + Show Spoiler [Dandel's followup] + On January 29 2013 11:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Merely stating the truth. What would you do in regards to it? In the purely hypothetical case you were scum of course. Also, you don't post much. What gives? ~dandel Irrelevant to the case On January 29 2013 11:49 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I haven't posted much because I literally found out the deck s&b submitted two hours ago. In case you aren't mafia, here's a pro-tip: don't tell mafia what to do to make you consider them as townies. It should be fucking obvious, but here I am saying it. On January 29 2013 11:58 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: It wasn't a bad post at all. It was a good post. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to comprehend this. The intentions behind my post were perfectly clear. I find it suspicious. Wait.. WHAT? Telling mafia what to do is suspicious? So telling mafia what to do makes you... mafia? Imagine that! Stop! Dandel! You are giving yourself ideas you would otherwise never have had! A badtell? Hell yes. If Dandel had actually been telling mafia a non-obvious thing they could do to make themselves look townie, this would be bad. But how is it suspicious? I'll tell you how: scum Marv didn't think this through, saw someone make a bad play and tried to cash in on it for some cheap scumhunting points. Now, on with what I was actually doing. The first thing you did in the thread was clearly not to "agree" with a crossfire case, because there wasn't even a crossfire case. The first thing you did was also not to attack Aperture, but rather to attack Clockwork. Lets continue. There's quite a bit more on the above little thing, and a load of fluff. Then come the second and third "things" he does in the thread: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2013 12:15 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: No, he seems to be posting too much to be mafia right now. I mean, he could be trying to take some weird control as mafia, but probably not. Second thing he does is give a town read on Poster. On January 30 2013 05:00 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: well that attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, dear. what did you think of s&b's policy post? Ignores scumhunting in favour of deflection. Finally, the 4th thing he does is to agree with the Xfire case and "attack" AS (if this pressure can be called an attack): + Show Spoiler [post] + On January 30 2013 05:08 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Yeah, I can't add too much more to what's been said about Crossfire, I generally agree. I especially noted how Crossfire called himself a magic noob (like me) but then proceeded to wade in with some strange Magic waffle (unlike me). I'm also not sure whether iGrok is on menopause, or maybe mafia: Given he said this, all he's done is shout at people. This post from Grey rubbed me the wrong way, although I'm not sure how warranted I am to think so: Like, gosh guys, I'm so excited to be playing, except I can't play for another 3 days yet, so definitely keep me around till then guys, right? However, that thing he is so proud of? He recants the suspicion on his scumbuddy about 24 hours later: + Show Spoiler [xfire not scum] + On January 31 2013 04:33 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: crossfire seems overwhelmed. legitimate reaction for someone who doesnt know mtg and doesnt have a partner to ask about it. his big post about ch is interesting. hes right that theres a contradiction in the first two posts he identifies, but the contradiction is completely explainable by ch reacting differently towards crossfire (relative noob) and igrok (very vet), ch took the same question seriously from igrok. i dont see scum motivation in that contradiction, and (to both his blame (bad townie play) and credit (at least he didnt try to make up some bullshit)) crossfire doesnt explain the possible scum motivation at all. however, in his second point he is kind of pointing out a contradiction that does have scum motivation. the quotes that he has from ch do seem to indicate "beware of giving any one person too much power" "oh wait i mean, unless its me lol". everything else in his filter is either self defense or just expressing being overwhelmed. i guess i like that he tried to do some analysis anyway. overall conclusion: possible scum? hes doing a lot of defense and "oh me oh my" ing but otoh this is a fast paced game with weird ass mechanics where we are all talking about the mechanics all the time. id wait a few days before lynching him to give him a chance to feel less overwhelmed. good thing we can't lynch anyone today anyway. And THAT is his official opinion until Xfire claims scum. TLDR: claims he "agreed" with the Xfire case, whereas he actually spent the important part (attack phase, where we could actually do damage to scumspects) of T1 claiming Xfire was newbie town, not scum. Gem: telling mafia what to do is a badtell, not a scumtell. Marv is a veteran and knows that, yet he was suspicious of Dandel for "telling mafia what to do". That's because scum Marv wanted to quickly cash in on some bad play and discredit a townie in the process. Scum Marv must die /Acro Addendum to this last one: the post cited is by SnB, but Marv later in the day corroborates that he shares this opinion. | ||
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