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[Quote]You can only vote for one no-vote.[/Quote}
What does this even mean?
[Quote]Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ?
##Unvote ##Vote Hapa[/Quote]
I can also randomly speculate that you're the witchhunter given your obsession with the role, but that won't do me much good, nor serve any purpose for scumhunting.
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EBWOP:
+ Show Spoiler +You can only vote for one no-vote. What does this even mean? Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ?
##Unvote ##Vote Hapa I can also randomly speculate that you're the witchhunter given your obsession with the role, but that won't do me much good, nor serve any purpose for scumhunting.
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But in all seriousness, a 10-3 VT-goon setup is rather nice for town. Mafia needs 4 mislynches to win, and for a mini, that's pretty tough.
Even though it may be against the spirit of the setup, I'm all for just never using the votes at all and playing a more normal town-favored setup.
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Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting.
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On December 15 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: *snip*
Witchcraft: Each day, in addition to the normal vote, there is a secret vote done via PM to elect Blues. Each player, regardless of alignment, has X votes (See below) they can distribute as they want, but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote. The results are secret, though of course people can claim their votes in the thread... if they want to out the blues that is :D At the start of the night, the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election: *snip* @ HapaI cannot believe you didn't read this...
Yeah so what? That means that we can choose not to give the power to anyone.
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On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one.
Well I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's super town favored, but 10-3 is a pretty good deal.
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On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't
So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored.
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On December 15 2012 11:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:08 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote:On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: *snip*
Witchcraft: Each day, in addition to the normal vote, there is a secret vote done via PM to elect Blues. Each player, regardless of alignment, has X votes (See below) they can distribute as they want, but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote. The results are secret, though of course people can claim their votes in the thread... if they want to out the blues that is :D At the start of the night, the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election: *snip* @ HapaI cannot believe you didn't read this... Yeah so what? That means that we can choose not to give the power to anyone. Yeah, that means that your policy of not voting anyone is impossible. I don't think that a town Hapa would not care a bit about how he can use his votes. You couldn't have come up with this idea if you had read the OP, which was the first thing I did when I got my PM.
The hell are you talking about? It explicitly states there that we can chose to vote for no one if we want to.
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Since there seems to be some confusion: can we chose not to vote for people in the hidden witchcraft ballot?
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On December 15 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:12 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:08 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote:On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: *snip*
Witchcraft: Each day, in addition to the normal vote, there is a secret vote done via PM to elect Blues. Each player, regardless of alignment, has X votes (See below) they can distribute as they want, but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote. The results are secret, though of course people can claim their votes in the thread... if they want to out the blues that is :D At the start of the night, the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election: *snip* @ HapaI cannot believe you didn't read this... Yeah so what? That means that we can choose not to give the power to anyone. Yeah, that means that your policy of not voting anyone is impossible. I don't think that a town Hapa would not care a bit about how he can use his votes. You couldn't have come up with this idea if you had read the OP, which was the first thing I did when I got my PM. The hell are you talking about? It explicitly states there that we can chose to vote for no one if we want to. I have 3 witchcraft votes, why do you think you only have one ?
This is how voting works according to the OP: Either we cast 3 votes on 3 separate people. Or we cast 1 vote saying we don't want to vote anyone.
There's no middle ground (i.e. you can't vote for only 1-2 people, it's either 3 or nothing).
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Oh hmmm maaaaaaaybe. I don't think it's well-defined in the OP, but that's a possibility. We'll I'll wait for BH to respond then.
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That individual comment? Not so much. Our entire argument though seemed to stem from unclear wording regarding mechanics in the OP though.
So ##Unvote
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On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts.
Actually kush, talk to me about that a bit. What about it would you see as scummy?
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Oh looks like Djo is right on this one. You have three votes and can vote for "nobody", but "nobody" counts as a person and you can't vote a person more than once.
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DP is scum btw.
##Vote DarthPunk
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Yeah I will in a sec. Grabbing some tea and then I'll type things up.
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Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable.
On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one.
But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite.
On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP?
But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining...
On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote: Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game.
Lynch this sucker. He's scum.
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@ DP
Regarding your tunnel on Djo, do you actually believe he's scummy, or are you forcing yourself to tunnel him, or are you scum?
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Oooh this will be fun =)
Let me type up the complete rendition of the case then. In the mean-time, on to your "defense"
On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite. On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining... On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote: Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. Lynch this sucker. He's scum. No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all. It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads. I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative. The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason. Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario. Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this. ##unvote
##vote: hapa
Whining itself isn't allignment indicative. Whining when there's no reason for you to do so (i.e. one vote on you) is.
Secondly, your tunnel reads as incredibly forced. I'm pretty convinced at this point that Djo is townie. All his reactions have been very guenuine, even if his plan was bad. I find it inconceivable that you think Djo is scum at this point given the whole setup mechanic thing is now resolved.
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Why DP is Scum
Strange Tunnel on Djo
On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref.Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one.
Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post.
On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP? Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time.
This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can.
This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject:
On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.
Other Stuff:
Firstly, DP's first post:
On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote: sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town.
The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts.
Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it:
On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote: Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact.
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