On December 12 2012 17:51 Hapahauli wrote: Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line.
No, he thought I was town the whole time. His first read on me was:
"My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it."
The other issue is him asking why I did it and pressure voting me to find out. He later says the town motivation he thought I had was that that I was hoping to attract pressure from scum. This was based on a post I made from looney. So if he thinks I'm trying to attract scum attention, why would he vote pressure me so that I'll announce it to the thread?
@ thrawn
I didn't know what the fuck you were trying to do at first when you said "not explaining why I did this at all". At first, I was expecting you to simply admit that you wanted to spark discussing with this obvious fakeclaim but I didn't understand why you went into that "not explaining anything at all mode". I pressure voted you because I was still not so sure I had made the right choice at that time (i.e. town move or lying scum) and I wanted you to explain yourself for the following reasons:
If town, you would have better off stopping this ASAP imo, because people would have voted you for lying and being anti-town for not explaining yourself. Also, if you were baiting mafia, it was going to be far to obvious, so it didn't matter so much for you to "come clean".
If scum, it would have been better to force you into posting more shit
Then, I thought about the comment you made in the Looney Game...
This is the kinda post I was talking about off-timing with the thread.
Honestly it's the only piece of dirt that makes WBG suspicious to me, besides his defense of Adam ofc. If there is a solid case on him I'll be sure to read up though.
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"
On December 13 2012 18:24 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I don't know if it's likely, I'm saying it's possible and therefor terrible play for any vig to counterclaim. It's not about Clarity "gambling" on there being two vigs, it's about the scumteam "knowing" that it's possible and relying on that to keep a vig from counterclaiming.
2) The fact that it was Bugs makes the alternative not likely. I think it's much more likely that scum Clarity shot strong townie Bugs at an opportune time for scum to make a play like that than a town Clarity shooting a veteran scumhunter without giving him a chance to defend himself and find us scum. And regardless of whether you believe Clarity is scum or town, that makes the scum KP debears yes? You're telling me that you believe that scum shot at debears and ONLY debears?
1) Why would it be bad play for a vig to counterclaim here? Closed setup or not, I really doubt there's more than 1 in a 16 man setup.
2) It doesn't matter who the guy is - the top scumread of the thread got shot on N1. How is that not completely normal? Plus Clarity's a new guy - it's not like he knows who Bugs is. Hell even I've never played in a game with Bugs.
As for the debears thing, I've given it some thought. The way I see it, there are two possibilities: a) scum only shot at debears. I find this unlikely, given the risk of leaving a hypothetically town marv+Palmar alive b) scum vigi'd debears and shot at marv. This is what I'm thinking happened.
As for your chance B, who would be that scum vigi?
On December 13 2012 18:36 Tunkeg wrote: So WBG was a jk this game. So my entire scum or stupid analysis on him was wrong. He turened out to be just stupid.
Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar.
Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected.
Everything you said could of happened by chance, not definite.
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote: Lemme point out stuff in the game:
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"
Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote: Lemme point out some stuff in the game:
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"
I only give additional info because I got asked? No one asked me to look into your meta. Also note how you've posted nothing of value since my case on you, so there's nothing to report other than you're still scum.
Your response to my case was pitiful and not worth commenting on.
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote: One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote: Lemme point out stuff in the game:
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"
Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.
On December 13 2012 20:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Ehhh, fair point. I still wouldn't keep you both alive past N1, but yeah it's possible scum don't have a vigi or didn't use the shot yet.
On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote: One more thing about this post, actually:
On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote: Lemme point out stuff in the game:
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"
Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking.
Why would you ask that good sir?
Do you think I'm scum?
No
So why are you discrediting me as a player, rather than my case on you. Why does my "effort" matter to you. Why have you acted this way to me ever since I made my case on you, yet you think I'm town.
Better yet, why don't you have a scumread on anyone?
Because I haven't had the time? I think your town but how you push me is troubling. Discrediting your case is kinda a no-no since I responded and you haven't responded back.
On December 13 2012 05:42 grush57 wrote: Why are you guys thinking that Bugs is scum. :'( He isn't. Djordef is scum. So is Vivax. But I would also like to think that Bluelightz is scum. But that doesn't make sense if Vivax is scum. So Djor + Vivax/BlueLightz + someone who isnt grush!!!!!!!!! GO GO VIGILANTES
On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote: So much scummy play this game I'm not even considered a lynch. No one is paying attention to me :'(. :'( :'( Star...senses....faaaaaaaaadiiiiiiiiing NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COME BACK BABY I <3 YOU WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Wait? What is this? Logic? What? Proper intelligence? What? 100 IQ? WHAT
ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie. I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum. Clarity is town. Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him. I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.
1. "Bluelightz is scum because Vivax isn't." Is this a lie or is there some definitive proof?
2. Why is my play extremely bad/scummy? And I'm quite sure roles are RNG'ed...
On December 14 2012 23:46 Vivax wrote: I'd vote for both of them. The only difference is that BLs filter is small and looks bad, jay's filter is big and looks bad.
Also, I thought you hate dangly things, so I'm not answering this question to do you* a favour, sweetheart. + Show Spoiler +
*but especially myself
In any case, I'd vote for BL over Z-Boson.
Effectively, the post I wanted you to explain is useless if then.
On December 14 2012 23:45 Bluelightz wrote: Addressing grush57 on his posts about me
On December 13 2012 05:42 grush57 wrote: Why are you guys thinking that Bugs is scum. :'( He isn't. Djordef is scum. So is Vivax. But I would also like to think that Bluelightz is scum. But that doesn't make sense if Vivax is scum. So Djor + Vivax/BlueLightz + someone who isnt grush!!!!!!!!! GO GO VIGILANTES http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRO7LxiTGQ4
On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote: So much scummy play this game I'm not even considered a lynch. No one is paying attention to me :'(. :'( :'( Star...senses....faaaaaaaaadiiiiiiiiing NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COME BACK BABY I <3 YOU WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Wait? What is this? Logic? What? Proper intelligence? What? 100 IQ? WHAT
ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie. I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum. Clarity is town. Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him. I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.
1. "Bluelightz is scum because Vivax isn't." Is this a lie or is there some definitive proof?
2. Why is my play extremely bad/scummy? And I'm quite sure roles are RNG'ed...
vote bl
Your clearly informative accusation / suggestion of my lynch is informative and will be responded to soon..
On December 15 2012 08:38 Vivax wrote: Regarding BL (once again):
The post about Adam Palmar mentions to his defense wasn't "quite early" like Palmar said, most people already expressed their suspicion against him, and BL suspsected thrawn and debears at the same time in his first big post, so it doesn't make any fucking sense to suspect Adam and the other two at the same time, he would have had to assume that they were of different alignment, at least for debears and Adam.
And the other post where I argue with BL about Adams defense isn't valid cause BL didn't even understand what I was getting to. I was speaking of debears arguments against Adam being: "He doesn't vote the guy he's suspecting" while debears was doing the same (marv noticed it too) and BL posted exactly the opposite of what I meant:
Is voting necessary when one has suspicions on someone? No. It's up to them when they vote.
So I said that he was actually defending Adam with that, since Adam was accused by debears of not voting.Meaning BL had no fucking clue of the points used against Adam, either cause he's lazy or cause he, like I believe, just bussed Adam to stay safe without bothering much about the appereance.
1. Umm who says I can't suspect Adam and thrawn at the same time...
2. By that quote I meant that debears didn't have to vote Adam, right AFTER his post, don't give a shit bout' Adam.
On December 15 2012 08:57 Clarity_nl wrote: BL, you're still around. How about you give us some of your reads? As I can recall zero of them and would have to look at your filter to even remember any of your stances.
Nill scum reads today. Looking at Tunk right now... grush57 is really useless though but I guess we can save him till after today. You and Palmar I think are town.