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On November 24 2012 05:07 marvellosity wrote: so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town? I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however. | ||
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He has been useless. Nothing really stands out besides maybe him complaining about kita is trying to "ward of people from voting sandroba". At the time adam hadn't mentioned sandro before and presumably wasn't supporting him for party leader. That's a bit thin though and he shouldn't be a priority right now. | ||
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I'm fairly certain that sandroba is mafia. He hasn't done anything useful whole game long and he definitely could have. Everything that I've said about him before is still applicable. Even if he has been busy, it was by choice. No one forced him to run for election and he could have at any time dropped out and supported me. If he was town, I think he would have as soon as he figured out that I'm town. Moreover, his attitude when he came back is still wrong. Instead of attempting to convince me or even address me, he just addresses everyone generally. He claims that I have been paranoid about his alignment in merc mini and that 80+ player game, but that is false or an exaggeration. In the huge game I was, in fact, pushing him for mayor on day 1 (we were both town). In merc mini I was only slightly suspicious because his ability completely broke the game, but I never wanted to lynch him at any point; the only suspicions were voiced over PM. If he was town, he would be attempting to convince me, not play down my ability to read him accurately. To those who believe sandroba is town, what do you think mafia did on day 1? Who is mafia? Did they really have no one who could have ran and won? Do you think it's kita or acro were the mafia candidates then? | ||
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Marvel do you think sandro is mafia? | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote: what do you think of kita's play so far? his proposal of cave as a lynch candidate, his support with no reasoning for sandroba? some of his earlier reads that felt weakly thought through? I agree that his reads, or at least the reasoning behind them, have been weak as is often the case when he is mafia. The way he suggests Cave as an "alternative" while still stressing that he would love to lynch sandroba is also suspicious. Cave may be mafia, but I don't understand what his plan is because he has essentially guaranteed that he will never be selected to the party. I think his very first post said that he shouldn't be selected; would he do that as mafia and would his team allow it? Third party seems more likely. Kita's early attacks were focused on me over sandroba and the attacks were very weak. He never addressed sandroba directly, except when sandro asked him a random question. Here he paints me, marvel and sandro red http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984163 50 minutes later he says he hasn't read sandro's filter yet and says sandro's posts have been reasonable and logical (although he says that doesn't make him town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984518 The turkey post wasn't obviously completely serious, but seems weird to paint us red as a joke | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote: do you think he has a decent chance of being mafia then? is sandroba more likely mafia to you simply because you are more intimate with his play? I wouldn't lynch kita today even if Sandro wasn't an option. I don't think the second question makes sense, but yes I can more accurately identify alignment of a player who I know extremely well. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote: uh, what I was getting at is this: I find kita's play scummier than sandroba's, but as you know sandroba so well you find it easier to discern sand's alignment. I'm curious what you think kita has done to deserve NOT being lynched. I'm less certain of him and I can lynch only one per day. I lynch players based on the strength of my read, that's it (except sometimes I may opt not to lynch my strongest read on day 1 if I'm not certain and the player in question is a very good town player). I think it's likely that I would prefer goodkarma lynch today over kita. But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote: Why do you randomly include me in that list? Anyway, I just haven't gotten around to Kita yet, because I got sidetracked by TheChronicler. What is your opinion of him? Because you ran and I think you are a good player, but you are right, I'm not sure if greymist would view things quite the same as I do. Or actually I guess you didn't really run. I just remembered your first real post talking about the team you would choose, but it doesn't look like you were never pushing to get yourself elected. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ nl_clarity I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Whaddy'a think? I don't think Sandroba is in the US currently and I believe very few people celebrate thanksgiving in Brazil. Also some of you people aren't giving my ability to read sandroba nearly enough weight | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote: What does thanksgiving have to do with it? He said he spent all night at a girl's place (not that that explains his absence during the day, but he was largely absent during the D1 as well). Syllo: is it normal for Sandro to work during the day and play in the evenings/night? Or does he, like me, spend the entire day at work procrastinating by F5ing the thread and poring over filters? If the latter, his absence is indeed weird. I don't feel comfortable using that kind of meta knowledge against him (ie. knowledge I have obtained due to talking him a lot outside the game). This answer doesn't confirm or deny whether that is true, because I do not know the answer unless I convert time zones and think about it more. He can disappear for long periods of time even as town, but the case against him isn't that he disappeared even though a lot of people are attempting to portray it as such. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:24 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Do you remember any game where you and Sandro were opposite alignments? Off the top of my head games where I was town and he was mafia: liar game (pm game, but I figured him out day 1), pypi (pm game, this was mostly won based on setup/role related reasons, he was ignored for a while). I was mafia in personality and responsibility, while he was town. You aren't going to find anything useful in those games | ||
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On November 24 2012 17:48 Promethelax wrote: what quote are you talking about? Maybe I'm retarded but I don't see it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17006956 | ||
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The first part: can you honestly say that? I'm never one to give very precise reasoning for reads and it's more of a gut feeling most of the time, about a certain post or timing or w/e. I don't even understand how you came up with this one. Second part: fair enough, I didn't bother with this day1. I'm pretty sure prom and kita are scum at this point and almost sure on clarity. I'll try to provide proof in another post. First of all, I'm not sure if I even made this argument (my problem is mostly content/wording/tone of his posts). He hasn't given any reads whatsoever besides maybe stating that Clarity_nl is "smelly". Our reads are usually precise and not gut based; definitely not "most of the time". I discuss reads and mafia lot with him and this is a complete misrepresentation of our usual thought process. Occasionally the reads can be based on a more general feeling, but it's always based on content, so for instance we may find certain sentence or post disingenuous, but it is almost always something that can be explained in more detail. There is no way sandroba believes that he is a gut based rather than reasoning based player. | ||
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