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On November 24 2012 07:37 marvellosity wrote: kita has seemed awfully non-urgent about finding scum given he has until like now to try to guess the right lynch for today :/
I made it pretty clear that I got got pulled into a family movie.
Enemy of the State. You'd think we could at least pick something from this decade -_-
I'm caught up in the thread, but it doesn't look like I'll have a fail proof decision in the next hour.
Right now I'm looking at sandroba, Cave, and two other individuals. More to come.
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First off, here is the list of claimed kp. In a standard mafia game, I'd guess that the mafia team would have the equivalent of being able to take out 2-3 individuals per night.
If we take a look at the three main sources of damage, we have about 800 kp.
I can confirm the damage against myself and I'm quite confident that the damage against Frog would be real as he would be my priority 1 target if I were mafia.
Dienosore - 445 dmg Marvellosity - 200 dmg Kita - 200 dmg (conditional) CaveJohnson - 25 dmg Clarity - 20 dmg Iamperfection - 20 dmg Acrofalls - 20 dmg Djodref - 20 dmg
Based on what we've seen from the flip, Frog's hp's and my own hp, I'm willing to conclude that removing one of these sources of damage would leave the mafia night hits quite underpowered. However, there is still the damage output from Lavos to take into account. I'm conflicted, but at this point, I would guess that marv really did take a hit. Marv, I would like to know the reasoning you felt it was necessary to claim to the town that you don't have a gun?
Onto Cave next.
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In the early game, Cave brings up his identity and reveals that it would be quite damaging to the town to tell us who he is. When someone takes a guess at his identity, he tells us to keep guessing, conflicting with his initial post. Finally, he reveals his identity with an off-the-wall roleclaim.
Now if I'm signing up as a smurf, why would I reveal my identity on the first day? The only reason I can come up with is if you have something to gain. From a town perspective, what do you have to gain as to claim draz? He said himself how it would not benefit the town. From a mafia perspective, you have an excuse to lie, troll, and not contribute due to his past reputation. As he is a smurf, we also don't have confirmation that this is actually draz and not just a smurf who is taking advantage of his identity.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote: [quote]
You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation.
1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game.
Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote: Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread. He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:58 Hapahauli wrote: yaaaaay another sheeper.
Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation
Cave shows little interest in electing a leader on day one. He discredits syllo several times by stating that he is not running. When it becomes clear that syllo actually is running, he simply calls him a wasted vote, without elaborating. He finally decides to vote for me, while giving no indication that he has a town read on myself.
Next, I'd like to look over his roleclaim:
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.
First off, we know that he doesn't know his success modifier. It's a hidden value. He mistakenly sees another player reference their hypothetical modifier and pretends to know his. He claims that his success modifier is low, yet has no reference to go by. This is a lie.
Besides the fact that his role sounds extremely implausible, if a post is partly a lie, there is no reason to believe anything at all. Furthermore, he references a third party character that he needs to take down. How would this fit in with the flavor of a Chef at all? Who is he hunting, the evil third party mushrooms?
Now here is the part that I'm not able to put together.
What is the purpose of the fake role claim? Is he just playing to his reputation of compulsive fake role claims? Is he trying to draw a hit?
When marv claimed to take damage, he seems to indicate that he may have been responsible due to sort of reflective damage ability.
Now this leads me to three thoughts: 1) If his first conclusion is that marv tried to hit him, is this the reason marv was the target of a roleblock? 2) If he truly can reflect damage, attempting to take a hit would fit in line with his role claim, even if lying to town is an incredibly awful way of doing so. 3) By claiming damage reflection, is he trying to discredit further attacks on himself for self preservation.
Today he has been gone. He has provided no input on today's lynch. I've seen draz play like this several times as mafia and town. At the end of the game, if he's scum, he laughs at the fact that town has ignored him. If he's town, he appears amused and plays the same way the next game.
I think he should be forced into a full role claim with an explanation of his entire intentions thus far. At this point, the benefits of hiding his role, does not outweigh the distraction he is causing. If he tries to give us more nonsense, he should be lynched. If he doesn't post again this cycle. he should be lynched.
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On November 24 2012 08:46 Acrofales wrote: Kita. Why exactly did you think this? This phrase here seems rather incongruous with all the rest of your campaign. You made some slightly disingenious remarks at Sandro about how the whole town thought they could read him, but asking what it was based on. You made a quip at Syllo's second post. About 20 hours later you come back. We get a joke post with a turkey and vegetarians, and then you say you think you're superior to Sandro and Syllo. Yet you never explain why. Even when asked why.
Well I certainly wasn't going to say that I was an inferior candidate.
My remarks on sandroba proved to be quite accurate. He disappears and here we have people screaming that it exactly matches his scum meta of being lazy, while we have other people that are convinced that his absence is something he would never do as scum. I'll be looking at him next most likely..
I didn't really discredit syllo, besides the fact that I'd rather have been elected at that point over him. When asked directly about syllo, I mentioned that his posts were reasonable, but I wasn't prepared to trust him either way.
On November 22 2012 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:I'd also like to state a bit more setup speculation before I forget about it. From a game design perspective, the mafia team has to have certain tools that sabotage our events in order to remain balanced. Without any outside intervention, assume the town comes up with a successful group of players. There appears to be no restriction about selecting the same players, meaning the mafia team has to have some way to combat selecting the same people every time. Even if they can only eliminate a couple of the players through night hits, they are still playing from a disadvantage. I think this is something we should keep in mind going forward. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote: CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? do you know your success modifier? Not specifically, but yes. i dont understand I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier. While reading through the filters, I came across this post. What struck me as strange was that Keirathi insists he has a low success modifier. On what basis is he making this assumption? From my point of view, I would have no idea whether 3 was a low value or the highest value in the game. Only if I had the ability to compare my modifier with other players could I come to this conclusion. Finally, the Frog role claim may be the most important event that has taken place this game. There needs to be more discussion about it. I'll post my thoughts later tonight. I either mentioned it earlier, or just wrote it in my notebook, he never incited more discussion about the claim. Now that I look back, I would like an explanation of why Kita thought the Frog claim was so important.[/QUOTE]
If you remember correctly, the idea of having one of the well known characters name claim was my idea, even if I didn't want to follow through day one. In a latter post, I mentioned that Frog would have been one of my three choices to bring along. The post questioning sandroba's meta that I asked someone to look for is what made me believe the sincerity of his posts and I also commented how his role explained his reason for running as a newer player.
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On November 24 2012 09:12 marvellosity wrote: Your whole piece on Cave brings up valid points but boils down to: lynch the trolly guy if he continues to troll, even though it's still pretty much a coinflip at this stage.
Are you in favor of a truthful role claim from him, with the implication that we lynch him if things don't add up? We wouldn't be able to verify his claim, but it gives us a more informed decision, which outweighs the drawback in my opinion.
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Also, I submitted my pick for the guessing game, but I'm not sure if we have anything to gain by me revealing with who I went with. I don't want it to influence the lynch and it might give the mafia a way to gauge how easy it is to take me out.
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On November 24 2012 10:28 CaveJohnson wrote: Kita - Spicy jerky is the equivalent of the Invoker ability betrayal its one of four abilities I know the actual effect of, I won't know any more until tomorrow. (Yes I used it last night hence why I asked marv if he attacked me)
I understand that I cause mayhem and distractions and that is why I vanished today, in order to allow discussion that wasn't just on me.
To make things clear, you're sticking with the story that you know your sucess modifier? You're sticking with your story that you are a chef who knows about a third party character?
I want the exact description of all your roles or I'm not going to be satisfied. If you truly care about not causing a distraction, list everything you know, your intentions, and your suspects today.
If you're going to come up with excuses and disappear, you're only making things worse.
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On November 24 2012 10:52 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 10:28 CaveJohnson wrote: Kita - Spicy jerky is the equivalent of the Invoker ability betrayal its one of four abilities I know the actual effect of, I won't know any more until tomorrow. (Yes I used it last night hence why I asked marv if he attacked me)
I understand that I cause mayhem and distractions and that is why I vanished today, in order to allow discussion that wasn't just on me. To make things clear, you're sticking with the story that you know your sucess modifier? You're sticking with your story that you are a chef who knows about a third party character? I want the exact description of all your roles or I'm not going to be satisfied. If you truly care about not causing a distraction, list everything you know, your intentions, and your suspects today. If you're going to come up with excuses and disappear, you're only making things worse. I know someone is after one of my foods (I don't know which and I don't know if they are third party its just likely to me) I have the dota equivalent to the following - Lightning shield, Firestorm and Chaos meteor. My intention is to survive to end game and win with town. That is the same as anyone else who is town... I may have extra abilities to do it but I don't know how often I'll gain preventive abilities. Suspect wise I lean TC but I'm interesting in prom. You know you are never going to be happy with me though. So I'm not really sure what exactly you are looking for.
So let me get this straight. You knew a person was after your food, so in order to increase your chances of survival, you decide to role claim that you are the chef? Could you walk me through your thought process?
To understand correctly, you are claiming third party, but seek to work with town to achieve your objectives?
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The thing that bothers me the most about sandroba is that he has to be aware of the town's perception of his mafia reputation. I'm sympathetic to the fact that real life events can sometimes get in the way, but if they do, I try to make it clear to the thread and use any free time to make up for it.
From my experience, not having a scum candidate is a sub-par strategy. I'm not completely sold on syllo's innocence yet. It is quite possible that toad's presence in the party would override any mafia presence, although I liked his party selection and the success of the first event gives me no reason to go after syllo at the moment. sandroba's party selection was solid, even though we don't know if it would have mattered with his presence.
What puzzles me the most is that sandroba claims to have taken a hit of 125 damage. If its town damage, it should be claimed.
From a mafia perspective, I'd want to take out Frog in one hit to not have to worry about a cleared pro-town presence on day two, in addition to an additional round of night actions, and possible healing effects. Spreading out the damage seems suboptimal. Based on the flip, it seems the mafia would know that 400ish damage wouldn't be enough to take him out. Why would they hit sandroba, someone who has fallen out of favor in town's eyes, over syllo? Perhaps they were banking on a failed event one, but even so, I'd hit syllo over sandro if I'm not going to stack everything on a single player.
I'll have to come back to this as there are a few other players I'd like to look at first before making a final decision.
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On November 24 2012 12:28 Keirathi wrote: @kita:
Completely neglecting the possibility of third party KP?
Third party players usually go for mafia sniping early on or target threats. Yes, its a possibility though.
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There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke.
On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote: Hi, I'd proposed myself to lead the party since I feel I possess the essential quality's we'd want for a mission leader. But I feel I'm late to sign myself up and as it stands there already is already a candidate I want to support. As it stands right now I want Sandroba for our first party leader.
No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today.
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak. We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play. We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays. ##Vote: Sandroba
The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for.
"Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination."
This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote.
On November 21 2012 23:27 risk.nuke wrote: No I read your arguments, but they sounded inadequate and non thought through. What really rubbed me the wrong way was your disregard for individual alignment amongst your list. Right now I feel you didn't care, you just wanted an elite team to go under the pretext that they would be best equipped. You purposefully ignored or didn't consider the risks of a team like that and I really don't like that.
At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon.
Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum.
Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party.
Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town.
I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that.
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On November 25 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, still frustratingly null on Kita too. The most damning things about him are that he ran for leader and wants to lynch Drazerk. It is just so... circumstantial. He *should* know better about Drazerk, who trolls, fakeclaims and makes himself as useless as possible in every game he's in, regardless of alignment.
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. Other than that I am unsurprised about Kita running.
His stance on Sandroba seems sensible, and he voiced many of the suspicions I have of risk.nuke. you can't be serious. He hasn't taken a stance other than to say he doesn't mind lynching him, which is incredibly weak.
On November 24 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote: I also need to work out if I'm actually opposed to sandroba's lynch, or if I'm just more in favour of a kita lynch.
Right, because you are clearly show much more resolve. At least I've provided reasoning why I am suspicious of Cave and nuke. I said I would return with a lynch preference once I finished rereading certain filters. You've been opposing me since my first post in the game. As for the troll post, it was one out of 50 posts. If you'd actually gone to look back to see my troll scum games, I was spending half the game pushing a silly mafia report card, taunting chaoser with fake tracker results and bomberman keywords, or posting entirely in lyrics. You have no right to call me a troll this game.
In fact, I'm starting to get pretty annoyed how often my name is being brought up without any reasoning. It's always "I'm going to start looking into Kita" and then when they can't come up with a scum conclusion it gets dropped. I've been called useless, which is probably what upsets me the most, considering I've probably put in the most effort this cycle with the exception of maybe a couple individuals.
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On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:18 kitaman27 wrote:There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke. On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote: Hi, I'd proposed myself to lead the party since I feel I possess the essential quality's we'd want for a mission leader. But I feel I'm late to sign myself up and as it stands there already is already a candidate I want to support. As it stands right now I want Sandroba for our first party leader.
No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today.
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak. We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play. We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays. ##Vote: Sandroba The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for. "Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination." This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote. On November 21 2012 23:27 risk.nuke wrote: No I read your arguments, but they sounded inadequate and non thought through. What really rubbed me the wrong way was your disregard for individual alignment amongst your list. Right now I feel you didn't care, you just wanted an elite team to go under the pretext that they would be best equipped. You purposefully ignored or didn't consider the risks of a team like that and I really don't like that. At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon. Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum. Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party. Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town. I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that. Scummy post from a scummy player.
Oh really? So now I'm scummy? Funny because before I brought you up, you've never mentioned me. Strange considering I was one of the three main candidates yesterday, yet you completely ignored me.
On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: If you want opinions from me you're free to ask me for them and I may or may not give you an answer, but if you don't I'll be damned if I'll accept that you show up later accusing me of not sharing opinions when all game you've not given a fuck about them.
No need to get worked up. I know I mentioned how I'm used to seeing you aggressive, but it doesn't really count if it comes after I mention it. Why should I have to ask for your opinions? Why not give them yourself and then push your thoughts on people once you do post them?
I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you.
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kitaman27
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On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there.
If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player?
On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch?
Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits?
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kitaman27
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On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote: Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth
This is a really important post.
In any game I would host or any game that I can recall playing, a player who is roleblocked does not return any results to tracking abilities. As sandroba insists he targeted syllo, but was roleblocked, either one of these two players is lying or prom really needs to clarify his role.
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kitaman27
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On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch?
Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last?
What is your opinion on nuke?
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kitaman27
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On November 25 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:36 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch? Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last? What is your opinion on nuke? I'm not sure about nuke right now. He seems somewhat invested but not enough to make me want to call him town. Just a note on your case, you said he wasn't worried day 1 when voting for sandroba whether he was town, but he had said when he did so "Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays." which at least indicates a read of some sort. Regarding Cave: perhaps he can be roleblocked and vigged at some point, maybe he can be lynched later. But is it seriously your opinion that he has the highest chance of flipping scum today? It's the fact that you are considering this that seems so subpar from you (sorry if you feel insulted by this). It feels like the easy way out on a lynch, and that does not feel like your town play I read from LV/Storm at all.
You do realize that my entire focus in Storm was pushing a "policy" lynch on RoL due to his absence right? He lived three cycles longer than he should have -_-
Anyways, there are a couple more people I want to bring up, then I'll decide on a preferred candidate. Brb.
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kitaman27
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On November 25 2012 01:49 marvellosity wrote:Don't bullshit me, please. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:11 kitaman27 wrote:
I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you.
You are not voting for sandroba nor have you given indications that is where you vote will end up.
lol that's not my post. It got copied into mine from a quote copy/paste -_-
@Toad, no I haven't decided yet. I have one more group of people I want to look into first.
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kitaman27
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On November 25 2012 01:57 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:49 marvellosity wrote:Don't bullshit me, please. On November 25 2012 01:11 kitaman27 wrote:
I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you.
You are not voting for sandroba nor have you given indications that is where you vote will end up. lol that's not my post. It got copied into mine from a quote copy/paste -_- @Toad, no I haven't decided yet. I have one more group of people I want to look into first.
Oh I misread that. I did submit a pick, but I probably won't reveal who until afterwards.
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