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On November 17 2012 04:16 iamperfection wrote: djo can you take a very close look at S&B filter and tell me what you think. You said you didn't take a real close look before but i am curious to see what you think.
Also pay special notice to the "VT" claim post and the reactions around it if you would be so kind.
@ iamp
I think everybody valued the following post too much. It's not possible for me to say it was a genuine townslip or something done on purpose. I can see this kind of thing done by both alignments and it cannot really be used against him because he doesn't looked forced in my eyes.
After that, the rest of his filter contains too much fluff and not enough contents for my taste. I'll come back with a case against him tomorrow if you don't mind because it's almost 5am here and I need to get some sleep
On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote: also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one
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@ Z-BosoN
I still believe you are town. The latest cases against you so far revolve mainly around meta, and your defense seems honest in my eyes. Moreover, I personally think that meta arguments should be used as the icing on the cake and not as the core of a case against someone.
So I'm sorry to tell you that you are going after me for bad reasons. The first one, of course, is that I'm town and the second one is that you are going after me based on thrawn actions, which I cannot really respond for. I'm not saying at all that you guys should dismiss all the previous thrawn posts when looking at me but I think it should also be the icing on the cake rather than the core of the case.
Regarding thrawn, I would like to say that Keir told me that he had a valuable excuse for getting replaced. If you have followed the Acme game and especially D5 when thrawn gets mislynched as a 1-shot Cop, you can see also that his activity doesn't fit his town play and that he doesn't show a great motivation for the game. I think something is really going on in his life and I hope he'll come back in a better shape to keep on playing with us.
Anyway, the points 1, 2 and 3 in your case still stand but I cannot really answer for them unfortunately. If you really want, I can try to imagine what led thrawn to post this way (there is definitively townie motivations because I know he was town ) but I think I should better leave it like this.
I would appreciate that you drop your charges against me because I think you are innocent and I know I am. But if you really want to come after me, I would suggest you to make a case I can defend myself against and add the thrawn points as the icing on the cake. I think it should be fair like this
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On November 17 2012 10:51 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2012 10:47 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 10:39 Blazinghand wrote: I'm feeling more confident in ZB though. This isn't town ZB. Seriously, I've about had it with these meta reads. Fuck off. Read this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 13:47 Z-BosoN wrote:DP, I know it's your wet dream to catch me as scum. But look at what you are suggesting. 1. I risked claiming miller and thus a potential counter-claim. 2. I pursued BH to the point he had to claim because I made good arguments, because scum are very insistent like that. 3. On my dying post, I told everyone to lynch hapahauli in day 2, you know, because I'm a scum who wants to help town. Then, in the night, I said crossfire, my other teammate, was the best lynch for today. 4. Hapahauli tried very very hard to defend his scum mate, even wanting to open up skype chat logs. Because that's what scum do right? Openly try to save their buddies. 5. I expected that town would sway from lynching me, someone with a marv case on him, to hapahauli, who hadn't been under any real threat at all in the game, with less than 10 min to go when I made this post: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 10:55 Z-BosoN wrote: LYNCH HAPAHAULI.
LYNCH BLAZINGHAND. when he is alive day 3.
marv, hope you learn you are not the fucking god of mafia, and see that meta reads are only worth it if it isn't fucking obvious stylistic proven logical and pre-claimed reasons. Just so I'd come out looking good. All this makes perfect sense because... of meta. That's it. Not a single thing all game, just... meta. And even in that regard, I've extensively covered that. Hapa felt like he needed to help, because it's something that I'd discussed with him and he would look bad if he didn't say anything about it. I even mentioned this before marv's case on me (I got sniped, but time difference should confirm I couldn't have possibly written all that in such little time.) so that means I'm self-aware of this meta thing, and decided to play like that anyway. Sniped post: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:01 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:47 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Sigh... please make it easy to respond to. I´m not scum and I´m pretty fed-up with having to defend myself every single game being town. "wahh i'm pretty fed up with having to play forum mafia whenever i play forum mafia" For what it's worth this is like the scummiest thing ZB has done this game It's cause you don't know the context. My main problem as town is that people think I'm scum every. single. time. Every past game I've played on, I've been receiving shit based on misinterpretations, things I've said that were confusing, and mismatched other things I have said. I got VERY frustrated because I was playing mafia and I spent like 70% trying to not get lynched instead of scumhunting. So I've decided to change my playing style a bit, so the general populace stops twisting my unclear words. Hapa pretty much nailed it, as it was a topic I've discussed with him quite a lot: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote: Uhhh Z-Boson huh? That's interesting. He kinda peaced out of the thread after dropping his Hopeless case.
Off the top of my head he is usually a bit more active in his town games and was a tad lurky in his scum game (can't draw conclusions from that though). I generally think his posts have been fewer in number but higher in quality. I'm inclined to think it's a stylistic change and not scummy given some of my previous conversations with him. And now I've been trying hard to read more, post less, but with more clarity and quality. And that apparently led marv to have a meta read on me, for "tone", despite me trying pretty hard to get shit right. That pretty much explains my QQ - no matter how hard I try, I'm found as scum every single fucking bitchass time, and this time even marv found it so. /rant Anyways, bring it on marv you slut. Reread please: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:37 Z-BosoN wrote:Yea, so it's pretty much what I expected and actually said in my sniped post. Responses in red. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:Z-BosonMetarelated stuff. Let's a gogo. First of all, here's a sample post from him playing scum in Newbie XXIV. You'll have to excuse the length, but the point is it's length and effort. (quote) Also, here is Z-Boson's filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359489&user=28495I was try-hard at the time, that was my first newbie game. That was a pretty tough way to play, so I abandoned it in favor of a more posty style (pretty much mimicking you).
Notice there are a large number of big posts. Big posts with certain conclusions . All the time. Much as here. What's missing in Z-Boson's play this game? On October 21 2012 22:46 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 21 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote: Also his defense each time is oh you must be scum and trying to trick me. Nothing townie about it. And your 'meta' read is bleh. Haha, you don't say, eh DP? On October 22 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 22 2012 00:52 DarthPunk wrote: Also ZB. Postgame I would like to go through how you make such accurate reads on me all the time. It get's frustrating as scum. (and also hilarious) Oh-oh. This obviously-I'm-town post comes mostly from scum DP. Don't get so confident, I'm not dead sure on you yet! On October 22 2012 01:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Sniped by austin. There we are, finally. Now waiting for the two days of unforgiving tunneling from him Hello Keirathi! How goes your scum life? Any thoughts you would like to trouble us with? On October 22 2012 03:53 Z-BosoN wrote:k k Well, you really think he is scum and should insta-die before he's even had a chance to defend himself? I'm uncomfortable sending him to his grave like this... I'd like to know if you are scum. Think about it. It's the pro-town thing to do. If you are scum, it's pro-town because town will lynch a scum. If you are town, then it's pro-town that we don't have to kill you. Tell us On September 30 2012 13:32 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh god. Is there anyways I can mega-vote him? On September 30 2012 13:52 Z-BosoN wrote: I think someone has some real issues. Does liquid city have a psych ward? On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Omfg austin really loves me. I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more. You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. On October 22 2012 05:24 Z-BosoN wrote: Austin, holy shit. For the first time ever, I've successfully agreed with every single thing in your post, every single thing. /applauds
Due to recent events though, Hapa is coming off pretty suspicious to me. This is a selection of quotes from GSL3 and Liquid City. I paste them all here to demonstrate Z-Boson's ability, and indeed propensity, to throw in light-hearted comments. He's not all serious all the time. Except that that style of play is exactly why people threw shit at me all the time. Every single godamn game someone would take something I said, compare it with something else I've said that is inconsistent, and use it to justify me being scum. These light-hearted posts were the reason I spent more time defending myself than actually scumhuntingLook at his filter here. Can you find that? At all? No, not really. It's completely absent. Arguably, this is it: On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out Right at the beginning. I find his attitude towards DP... not townie. There's a lack of interaction from Z-Bo towards DarthPunk that I wouldn't expect from townie Z-Bo. It's a jest, as I'm usually correct about DP's alignment.On November 13 2012 11:20 Z-BosoN wrote: DP, that's the second time you've voted for him without saying why. This won't do. It goes from the above, to: On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote: Why not DarthPunk? He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
He finds him a 'good lynch', but he makes it clear that he's not using the referring to self as mislynch thing as scum. Is it that he's bitchy? Is that a scumtell? Who knows. He's "interested" to see how he goes in Day 2 though. The wording is just... ick. I've done this "Why not xxx" in an attempt to organize town and consolidate on a lynch (kind of the opposite of what you are doing). That kind of wording problem is what I have to pay more attention to. To be honest, I just wanted to say that DP is scummy, but I'm not gonna use my " DP scum-o-meter" yet, as I don't yet have a solid read on him (due to the low amount of posts he has). I didn't spend much time on him because I was more focused on Hopeless.On November 15 2012 08:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Had some internet problems.. Luckily it was on control C. In reply to marvs other post:
On November 15 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 06:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 15 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Why not DarthPunk? He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
i hate this. what's your read on him and why? He can definitely be scum. The reasoning is above. I'd rather lynch Hopeless. Perhaps instead of "Why not DP?" just read "DP" and interpret that as a secondary assessment. I'd rather lynch Hopeless though, my post says it all. I find it interesting how you hated my bit on DP, instead of my bit on debears, your main lynch candidate. Is there anything else you want to add while you are at it? Do you agree with what I said? I'm finding you kinda scummy all of a sudden actually. "He can definitely be scum" is not a read, by the way. Anyone can definitely be scum. Isn't it fucking obvious that I mean that to me he has a good chance of being scum, especially given what I've written on him? 10x better than your "I'm finding you kinda scummy" which adds shit to the thread. If Hopeless is a 10, DP is a 7, go with that.Try answering the question now? I phrased it very clearly and I find it important enough that I insist.
Anyways, Hopeless´s meta explanation makes sense, and that was my main issue with him. Right now I´d rather lynch DarthPunk. Gonna let marv finish to see if he will/will not change my mind. ##Unvote There's weird things going on in this post. "If hopeless is a 10" to "his meta explanation makes sense". He defended himself using context, and I agreed with it, these two games are on extremely differnet circumstances. Hopeless then posted his reads which were pretty reasonable and I decided my meta case was not so strong.Generally, given Z-Bo's intimate familiarity with DP's play and his meta, there seems to be no discernable effort to make any read on him on that basis. Z-Boson is calling DarthPunk scum right now, but there's no supporting evidence of games previously played. I don't buy it. I didn't choose yet to make an effort on him, because I didn't want to lynch him yet, because he has way too few posts for me to do that. I was gonna attempt to make a case on him right now, due to my change of heart on hopeless, and will do so if I see that I'll be all right (logic here is. If me town dies, then 100% town will come out losing. If me town lives, the % chance of town coming ou losing is the % chance I'm wrong)Also I bolded that other line where he says I should answer just because I find the wording completely unnatural. "I find it important enough that I insist". I find it important that you questioned my assessment on DP, and not debears, your top scum read. That led me to believe you agreed with my assessment on debears, and was going to be important for me to completely decided whether or not I would stick to my not wanting to lynch debears agenda. Dunno what you understood from that.
None of this play looks like Z-Boson's town play. When he is townie, he is very indecisive about who he wants to lynch. Just look at his filter in GSL3 or Liquid city. Liquid City his vote jumped around more times than I can count and with great uncertainty, and even his final vote he still seemed clueless. And in GSL3 he agonised for days on everyone before finally voting for someone. Here there is no... communication with town, trying to figure things out properly. It's BAM, BlazingHand is scum. He pursues BlazingHand - and make no mistake, he can pursue very well as scum, check the filter I gave you. Then when BH is off the table, he comes back today with BAM, Hopeless is scum. As quoted there's the absence of Z-bo interacting in a lighthearted manner with town that I am familiar with. His filter is short, with long posts, rather than longer, with lots of short posts figuring things out. ##Vote: Z-Boson So yea, basically it sums up to the change in my style I've talked about. You're gonna have to accept that the way I was playing before was a detriment to my gameplay, and made me frustrated, because too much of my time was wasted defending myself (which takes A LOT more time than scumhunting, for me). I tried doing that in GSL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=4#73but failed miserably. What happened? Hapa picked up on some inconsistent stuff I said lightheartedly and BAM, huge clusterfuck of back-and-forths based on something that could easily have been avoided should I have been less posty. Also, a bit of WIFOM. I remember my scum game, and I looked at the feedback from the obs qt. This part of my meta I'm completely aware of, so why would I not choose to replicate is as scum? Basically, you are gonna have to decide whether: A) I, ask scum, didn't realize that me as townie posts a lot more and a lot more lightheartedly and posted in my natural scummy way here. B) I, as town, actually did attempt execute the change of style I extensively talked to hapa about, in a way that makes sense (as you yourself have seen from my past town games), and in a way that's actually better, and more like it's said in XXX analysis (which I reread at times of frustration). So, please analyze the actual content and the actual effort Im putting in this game (note my pushing of BH, it shows extensive signs of reading and carefulness in my wording and logic... such in a way that you agreed with it) instead of this "he's posting less!!!" argument. Also, I have much less time to play now, exam weeks coming up ahead, and am trying to make the most of it. Yep. Z-BosoN = townie. It's there, it makes sense, and you should pause and think about how silly would it be for me to be scum. Like, I'm a mega-bussing fakeclaiming scum who was extensively defended by his scumbuddy (hapa, at that.), and then was bussed by him as soon as I said he was scum? 0 sense. Turn conspiracy theory goggles off for one second and you'll see reason, I guarantee it. If you really think I'm scum make a fucking case that explains why I would bus my fucking teammate in a death post and say my other teammate was the best lynch. Stop fucking saying meta meta meta and starting saying fucking scum-motivation and town-motivation. Goddamn, enough conspiracy theory and start using occams razor. There's no risk of a miller counter-claim in a game with a godfather, or at least it's a low risk. You know what, there are similar chances to have a miller than to have a jailkeeper in a game with a godfather Show me the math 2. I pursued BH to the point he had to claim because I made good arguments, because scum are very insistent like that.
Admittedly, this is a point in your favor. The fact that you immediately believed my claim and unvoted though is a mark against you. Everyone else was very skeptical except for like you, Hapa, and clarity. As scum you WOULD know it was a true claim. I personally think that your claim was ill-timed enough that even scum player would doubt it and think it's coming from a SK or a trolly VT (that is, if you are not scum). But you may have a point here. Nevertheless, if both Z-Bo and Clarity believed it, that means that at least one town player reacted this way. 3. On my dying post, I told everyone to lynch hapahauli in day 2, you know, because I'm a scum who wants to help town. Then, in the night, I said crossfire, my other teammate, was the best lynch for today.
Um, if you were gonna die anything you said as you died is WIFOM and you know it. Crossfire was scummy as hell and bussing him D2 is completely fine scum play. No points for you here. I agree, this is WIFOM territory 4. Hapahauli tried very very hard to defend his scum mate, even wanting to open up skype chat logs. Because that's what scum do right? Openly try to save their buddies.
Hapa returned checks as town. And honestly, yes, scum DO try to save their buddies unless it is neccessary to bus them. We don't know what Hapa motivations were but we know that the skype chat logs are real and they are coherent with Z-Bo defense for his change in his meta.Occam's razor tells me: it's simpler that you, playing near-exactly to your scum meta, are scum, than you playing near-exactly to your scum meta is town. You haven't been playing bad- just scummy, just like you always do as scum
@ BH
Some comments in bolded font in one of your post I didn't like.
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On November 17 2012 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 10:15 debears wrote: Does anyone know the odds of a miller being in the setup with:
1) a jk/scum rb 2) a vig 3) a gf I don't feel like crunching actual numbers, but that setup would only require: MVD #### M=mason/miller. 1 M usually means innocent child, but that was replaced by miller. V=Vig - All are single shot, so this roll is questionable as to how it gets handed out D=Doctor/Jailkeeper 4 "unknown" rolls, however, some may need to be duplicates to actually generate the blue. Therefore I`d estimate an additional 2 blues in this game. As always setup speculation is tedious and not worth that much in the grand scheme of things when playing a semi-open setup. I think we should leave it alone unless someone claims scum through attempted setup-based manipulation.
Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 10:28 iamperfection wrote:On November 14 2012 08:45 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 08:40 Blazinghand wrote: yeah the ZB defense imo tells us more about iamp than it does about ZB-- but either way neither of them a good lynch today Yeah I'm looking at Thrawn and Kickstart atm. Thrawn's inactivity is pretty uncharacteristic of him so far. Kickstart as well dumped some suspicion on me and then peace'd out. I'm a bit more forgiving to Kickstart though as a first-time player. So let's get thrawn talking shall we? ##Vote Thrawn(Would love to hear from kickstart too, but more concerned with Thrawn atm) he did actually he just didn't mention cross. That damn near clears djo as far as association cases go.
If we assume that all the claims so far are true, we have the following possibilities for our setup given the fact that one goon and one godfather are already dead.
- MDV**TT => we have another blue (Cop or Roleblocker) and no SK (more likely)
- MDV***T => we have another blue and a 1-shot something and a SK (less likely)
So if we mass-claim and we have 2 full blues, it means that BH claim is a fakeclaim. If we mass claim and we have only one other blue, it means that there is no SK. If we mass claim and we have one blue and a 1-shot role, we have a SK.
So basically, if someone has a 1-shot role, this guy should start to be wary of a SK. If someone is Cop, it should be not a bad idea to reveal himself at the end of D2 with his check and target.
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On November 17 2012 13:38 Blazinghand wrote: look, to the other blue, if you want to claim this cycle, do it at the end of N2 during action resolution, or maybe if you're gonna get lynched or if you have a green check on someone who's gonna get lynched. Don't go listening to what jubjubs have to say about it. use your own judgement
Sorry I meant at the end of N2
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@ BH
First of all, could you get my name right ? Call me Djo if you prefer but not Djoref
Then is think that S&B brings good points against you (namely the "big plays" part and the insistence you have when you state that there is no way for you to be scum). If find it particularly odd that you attach so much value to your uncontested JK claim and that you dare to attack Z-Bo on his miller claim when the probabilities are quite similar. The fact that S&B goes so hard after you and that you attack him personally when defend yourself speaks for him and against you. So I would say that S&B is less scummy in my eyes right now while you got back to my top scumread. I think you just got lucky with your fakeclaim...
On another note, I really don't like debears behavior lately, his 180 on you (he went as far as to vote against you) and also this post + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2012 09:36 debears wrote: Can we double lynch BH and SnB???? . So for my scum reads I would say right now: BH debears S&B
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I forgot something
##Vote BH
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On November 17 2012 13:42 Hopeless1der wrote: djodref, read the OP setup. No one-shot variants of anything, except all vig's are one-shot. Setup speculation needs to stop, it isn't catching the last scum.
/agree with BH on save claims for later. At the earliest, during night resolution, but do not feel that you have to. I felt it was necessary for me to claim considering the amount of suspicion against me, and the fact that marv's top two scumreads got eliminated if my claim was true. It served a purpose to claim the way I did, it wasn't arbitrary or strictly to save my own ass (though this was a factor).
Ok thanks. Regarding setup speculation, I think we obtained valuable information with the flip of Bowser and the fact that Z-Bo and you are likely town and not fakeclaiming. If I'm right about BH fakeclaiming and about Z-Bo and you, then the only setup possible would be this one MVTTTTT which gives us Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer which would mean that there is not a 3rd mafia player but a SK remaining. And this has roughly 40% chances to happen given the mafia flips.
Somehow, a SK BH would make more sense than a scum BH, especially regarding Hapa lynch. What do you think ?
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On November 17 2012 13:54 DarthPunk wrote:Your officially an idiot.
I could tell you the same with your Z-Bo vote.
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On November 17 2012 13:54 DarthPunk wrote:Your officially an idiot.
@ DarthPunk
Let's try to have some constructive discussion, shall we ? What do you think of the possibility for BH to be a very ballsy SK ?
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On November 17 2012 09:36 debears wrote: Can we double lynch BH and SnB????
@ debears
Can you explain me this post and your latest vote and unvote against BH in details ?
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@ iamp
Yes, but you have to consider the fact that he was already on the radar of some players halfway through D1. It was a big risk to take but I think the reward is that town players don't want to lynch you anymore. Did he look more concerned by his survival or did he look more concerned by scumhunting during D1 ?
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On November 17 2012 14:18 iamperfection wrote: i guess maybe if there were in fact 2 scum he could fake claim role block untill the end of time
. but he had no guarantees for killing mafia day 1 and claiming jk would make him a prime target for mafia.
True enough, I didn't consider the fact that he would have been a target of choice for the mafia. I'm going to drop this SK thing then. Anyway, if he is the third scum, he his 100% a role blocker and it makes sense for the roleblocker to claim JK, doesn't it ?
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On November 17 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote: The fact that you now think I'm an SK instead of scum is... I don't even know what to say. Look, at least for the scum argument you could be like "He's the scum RBer so he could support his claim by using his RB power" or something. It would still be a retarded play but at least there is a path to victory for a scum fakeclaiming JK. I can't possible imagine how an SK could claim JK, and not, say, VIGILANTE, and that would be even remotely reasonable.
Djoref I think you're wasting more of our time. If you're gonna point fingers at people at least... at least have it be plausible. come on, man.
Yeah, you're right about the SK thing, I didn't think it through. But let's take a look again at your claim. It was halfway through D1 and you must have felt some pressure to claim, regardless of your alignment.
Town motivations- Avoid a blue mislynch => you could have done it later on and try to see who was pushing for your mislynch
- Make people stop wasting their time on you
- Get town credit and leverage for a lynch => this one has failed given the timing of your claim
Mafia motivations(you are the roleblocker in this case)- High risk, high reward play (around 40% chances to get counterclaimed) and it was not a bad choice at all given your situation at that time
- You can support your fakeclaim with your actions because you are roleblocker
- Sacrifice yourself outing a jailkeeper because you are on everybody's radar already
What I don't like at all is the follow-up you give to your claim. As S&B pointed it out, you keep on saying how uncontested your claim is and you lynched Hapa when it was not sure at all that you were going to lynch him. I'm not wasting my time, I want people to understand that you are scummy despite the circumstances !
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On November 17 2012 14:28 Blazinghand wrote: Well I'm glad we've cleared that up. Djoref you've promised us twice that you'd get a read on iamp, and mentioned you were reading up on him. What are your thoughts?
I have a town read on iamp for the moment. His filter was difficult to go through because they a way too many short posts but the whole thing seems emotionally right to me.
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On November 17 2012 15:02 DarthPunk wrote: We are not lynching BH until MAYBE after ZB DJO Clarity S&B are all dead. Continuing on that tangent is anti town.
He has already 2 votes and debears has voted him during the exchange between S&B and BH. I'm going to push his lynch because you are wrong and I think I'm right. I don't care if I die in the process because we can afford some mislynch and you are going to understand that all my cases were genuine when I flip.
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@ DarthPunk
What do you really have against Z-Bo except for the meta part of your case ? Did you read the skype conversations ?
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On November 17 2012 15:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 15:06 Djodref wrote:On November 17 2012 15:02 DarthPunk wrote: We are not lynching BH until MAYBE after ZB DJO Clarity S&B are all dead. Continuing on that tangent is anti town. He has already 2 votes and debears has voted him during the exchange between S&B and BH. I'm going to push his lynch because you are wrong and I think I'm right. I don't care if I die in the process because we can afford some mislynch and you are going to understand that all my cases were genuine when I flip. Do you not understand that you are almost certainly lynching a blue?
Does he behave like town ? No. As I've explained, there is only 40% chances for us to have a jailkeeper. It's far from being almost certain that he is indeed jailkeeper.
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On November 17 2012 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 10:50 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, if anyone is thinking of voting me, it is becasue you are blindly sheeping marv. Fucking read my defense, FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID REGARDING MY META. FUCKING READ WHAT HAPA SAID. It's a case based SOLELY ON META
DP is acting VERY differently then when he is scum gettingl ynched. I want to unvote him and vote for hopeless.
Also, if I for some godly reason to get lynched. Here are my reads:
Hapa: scum scum scum. Gonna go after him day 2 should I live.
BH probably scum. I can't fathom his claim AT ALL. Kill him should he be alive in like, day 3.
Rest of everybody I'm not sure. Marv is prob town, an arrogant fucking one who can't see the reasonable explanation I've given, but he's pretty much town.
ZB wants to vote hopeless whilst screaming that BH and HAPA are scum. On November 15 2012 10:51 Z-BosoN wrote: SIgh... looks like town decided to sheep a read to which I gave a perfectly plausible explanation.
Lynch Hapahauli.
That's about it. Can't fucking believe this. He then doesn't mention BH or hopeless at all and says we should vote HAPA. On November 15 2012 10:52 Z-BosoN wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Hopeless1der
At least in my future games, I'll be able to keep this much better and improved meta up. He then Votes for hopeless despite proclaiming Hapa is scum. He then says we should lynch Hapa despite not actually voting for him yet. On November 15 2012 10:55 Z-BosoN wrote: LYNCH HAPAHAULI.
LYNCH BLAZINGHAND. when he is alive day 3.
marv, hope you learn you are not the fucking god of mafia, and see that meta reads are only worth it if it isn't fucking obvious stylistic proven logical and pre-claimed reasons. This is like such an obvious WIFOM bomb. It was super obvious as soon as I saw it. He is not adding anything to the thread in terms of info or reads but is laying the framework for association WIFOM. On November 15 2012 11:13 Z-BosoN wrote: WHAT NOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?! DEBEARS FUCKING HIGH FIVE I'LL SAY WHY I THOUGHT HAPA WAS SCUM WHEN THIS IS OVER. This is like so easy to fake as scum. He says he will tell us why he thought hapa is scum later. As if he had some way of knowing. He promises to reveal them later. On November 15 2012 11:22 Z-BosoN wrote:Nah man, I figured he was scum due to totally different reasons than yours. I just didn't think we would have lynched him based on my arguments alone, and I didn't want to get in a verbal fight with him (he's so fucking difficult to deal with). His interaction with you I'd say was fairly regular. Let us compare dicks when the game is over though, and right now REJOICE!!!!Town fucking awesome. I fucking love you guys. I fucking fucking love you guys. YOU lynched hapa. And now the information we get is OUTSTANDING. Scum is almost 100% in my wagon (maaaaybe except BH, but nah, not voting him tomorrow). I'm obvious not fucking scum, my reads were obviously my last will. Fuck yea. Again he says here that he had some arguments for why HAPA was scum and they were different from debears. We are still waiting for his explanation though. And here it is Also. ZB has several list posts in his filter which are not what I expect from town and scummy in general. Posts like these LINKLINKLINKLINKAll list posts that contain some few meaningless statements and are the exact thing scum ZB posts which Town ZB does not. I am positive ZB is scum from reading his filter and knowing his meta and we must lynch him today.
Your case revolves around the fact that Z-Bo didn't vote Hapa when giving us his last will where he tells us to lynch Hapa. I can see him voting for Hopeless in an attempt to save his life rather than vote for Hapa who had zero votes against him at this time.
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On November 17 2012 15:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 15:09 Djodref wrote:On November 17 2012 15:07 DarthPunk wrote:On November 17 2012 15:06 Djodref wrote:On November 17 2012 15:02 DarthPunk wrote: We are not lynching BH until MAYBE after ZB DJO Clarity S&B are all dead. Continuing on that tangent is anti town. He has already 2 votes and debears has voted him during the exchange between S&B and BH. I'm going to push his lynch because you are wrong and I think I'm right. I don't care if I die in the process because we can afford some mislynch and you are going to understand that all my cases were genuine when I flip. Do you not understand that you are almost certainly lynching a blue? Does he behave like town ? No. As I've explained, there is only 40% chances for us to have a jailkeeper. It's far from being almost certain that he is indeed jailkeeper. ZB is far far scummier than anyone else right now. He claimed miller. Usually that should be enough to lynch him right there. He very likely tried to WIFOM around scum HAPA in order to make him look good if ZB flipped red. The meta is fucking damning on top of it all. Lynching a Blue claim is newb play and is fucking stupid. You are being fucking stupid and anti town for pursuing this.
Lynching an uncontested blue claim is as stupid as wanting to lynch an uncontested miller claim. What's with your double standards ?
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